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‘The Nove Scotia Series Source Materil of he Contemporary Arts Eton Benjamin HD. Buchloh Bemhard Leiner ‘The Arcitecure of Ludwig Witigensein ‘Cloes Oldenburg Row Notes Yoorne Rainer Work 1961-1973 ‘Simone Fort Hondbook in Motion Stove Reich ‘Wings About Music Hons Hoccke Framing ond Being Fomed Donald Judd Complete Writings 1959-1975, ‘Michael Snow Cover to Cover Poul Emile Borduas Enis Wings 1942-1958, on Grohom Video-Architecture-Teleition ore did ogg CARL ANDRE HOLLIS FRAMPTON 12 DIALOGUES 1962-1963 Photographs by Holls Frampton ted and cnnototed by Berjamin HD. Bchloh The Press of he Nove Seaio Colege of Art ond Design ‘ond New York Universit Press Pid wih onc os New Yo bbe by THE PRESS OF THE NOVA SCOTIA COLLEGE OF ABT AND DESIGN 5153 DUXE STREET HALIFAX NOVA SCOTIA CANADA, Copblied by [NEW YORK UNIVERSITY ESS TIQ/15 UNVERSTY LACE NEW YORK NEW YORK 0003 US.A erento in blo oto Je Cor ¥05- oe 72 ilies, 1952-1963, aon PRY GN9S84 Ident ISIN D919 6163864 SINDSI916178 pa 1. Med 20h contr Ploiophy. 2. Aesht, LFromplen, Hols, Buco, 8D. Ti. Neoonas 7M ConUsHSIES Copright 260 by he Authors, The Pres of he Novo Sete Calle ‘oF Art ond Dsgn Helos, ard Rab alan New Yor Al ight rsere ble 980 Designs by Jn Sabnan end Gary Kins Pied ond Bourdin Canada CONTENTS: EMTORSNOTE FEFACEBY CARL ANDRE FREFACEBY HOLIS RAMPION. (ON SCUPTURE AND CONSECLITVE MATTE LON PHOTOGRAPHY AND CONSECUINE MATTE 3 (ON A JOURNEY TO PHLADEIPHA AND CONSECUTIVE fares ® CON PAINTING AND CONSECUTIVE MATTERS 2 CON PUASTICITY AND CONSECUTIVE MATES a (ON MUSE AND CONSECUTIVE MATTE & CON UTERATURE AND CONSECUTIVE MATTERS (ON THE MOVIES AND CONSECUTIVE MATES Ss (ON FORTY PHOTOGRAPHS AND CONSECUTIVE MATTER | (ON FORTY PHOTOGRAPHS ANO CONSECUTIVE MATTERS e (ON CERTAN POEMS AND CONSECUTIVE WATTERS 8 {ON JAWES ROSENQUST AND OTHER INGUISTIONS e _APENDIK PHOTOGRAPHS BY HOU FRAMPTON OF ROMS CO ARE 196) ALFOBOGRAAESBY THE AUIHORS LIOGRAPHES 1 noe m EDITORS NOTE Whont aside nana he 2 Doge ever yersopo epee bren asain once ona emcton al vrtare ‘Suolchovgitthetegrgcl esate mere precy eto. otonsitewatel ores Woatodkl onda sedge Sina hemo cna nme cf per Bron er 8 sana dda ce pchonorrecenay or werd eee he bangecveonetechxchongedonsdoly Tahererabre 2 Sgarhrbeconererecppee order eae fresiie lagna opr son fe vata rede emai ‘de wean hoor cay anihpounicb orgsde ‘onefvathen scarascreadeonpantiyathetacgord roster pahop wher ma bce uenebisforsne Vethepeton the? 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That sno 030 that my opinions hove remained unchanged. Gute the oppo i rus, in fot most of my opinions hove just dropped away over the course of yeors iro goad ‘ing inprincpe, to dacare you interes and hese wore theirs of ‘Cat Andre ot ho age of 24 Friedel Daubos once remarked that os he {Fow oder he bocame moce demanding and mare leer o th sane fie. kink he some i pring ome, CA.Now York 1979 PREFACE Midoigh, Central Stondard Tine, 11/79 Gregorian, 38 Clive ot {37000 feot ond norhbourd, over Arkansas once agai in these pages Corl nde'sirajectoryirtesecs wh ine;ondogan asi hashepened soolten nthe 27 yearssince we fist met (a conversion about phys, ‘nd « physical n'a space hat we have both raversey bx in eur own times hdwoys.on erords of separate cevsing Notherchussthorsany longer Biel, thouch, we wore beth efusinthearenaofnguoge, wichisthot cf power So fs! Imouldurgehatthavedalogvesbe ood i hey oreo beread, osantivopclogcal evidence pertaining toarteof poste end tothe nature of Fendstip. IFourrhelrcithat of on aethaie Coton Mather downshouinghinslf inn imported mir, thre i stil something to enjoy, «Iie: the nox remains permocble te cartain ragged decontrts:itaceps or adios reod if now, the paraizing sorlet of cdath on a kien table Brooklyn... iorese, bewreen poragrop, of wale othe coun ter Ringness Boe. ora dp of he engue poe which shal aways regret having aed to coud. oking my way o a sowoy soton oer what war ta havebeenthe ost cl these dologves and that ones not here, was en aw ond heardn | ‘2h snow, a man improvising mex in Fort Green Prk 5 yrs tr Lndessood him tobe Sonny lis ond th! hat auction mayhave been fone convergence sexelly prepared bythe everings Cal Andre ond ‘pent othe ypewnier ‘This dstont one, wth on luions lt oppaaryinfliy,and of «for ‘ent minds another. HLF. Now 6 1979 ta Hell's Frampton a Ante fr. Dring pe ee ee ee ee ee ee ee oS eT ne eee ane eT et ee ee ee | ‘ON SCULPTURE AND CONSECUTIVE MATTERS ‘October 14,1962 “occ ve yiyi n nies Hla nein you thre here ancy comple photographs ieee Curtin Mowe tr fine of yor wor overheat years Try keno icingexsy ine ee a ein chow eu own werd youworrto owen youre rely wecomete de uth angecese toad i. hasTOGErd my waged ral euptre is willy genrcied aay ef crfaln ‘ticetend hgetetemic tan et posers who ert, cove and roam koeledpe concaeg ase Sod gst {poe Tat eaves you ol roo ope) Se: Me Sept fs he op Man ‘CALDefnion acepne We ow Me Hints colon ado ofthe Gag ‘esi Museu | woud Be ft out ome ofthe pees on deploy ‘urs taht Wright sbuldngonelmetinyoursysem Fans Tnowledgo about mawetbardiecre hated sadn Stars er frld men ongel and Geomens ppt oiled ‘emoauldlfordte eave ou orhitecure bu Ma Histor ocatfonsore ‘omanymiescope sides under daar as here The bling etree Sahn den oleic adver anordeed sacar poco ees ‘ei nbetean porn sits, Bu wher a sre comes nde ee ing ‘ebiescorkres mel (Al hited at qusontobecredhring Wig subg ates enna mera semarrtofan hein ox as Seeeteeaneaay | Sronslnn wovisacie naciearren keer eamtnd Ele rfomc ‘cen fone Salar ir ny omar ose SCRE Reem tone Maem |b Fotht ater theGoggertin Musemisadeore danontratonotncis op wines fe dnesenphngousdet aswel Alvatlein averse seenecrlzed ound that ling But we leo lh Ave ord god, Sadpe ho no Se Re Sr Cogn Ain ie | Se ‘CA Rin, Dogs, oss, Ups, Boction, Banas, Moors; Dovid Smith ‘Ghrbri propo is vc comet for ck bo nd cond dele fon cach dmands Wok you yalewreidsandckinshs ogi hc reputatnst HF Youlsaeme somatingore ka cont Tee ames cle with nearer A iter wd ring tat work i sna or py Sor prepore cierarchy les desc to thos propery 2 grouping byintonses ones, Rar, Dad Smih hove pode work of iin testy. 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(October 21,1962 ‘CALA thou cma to etn whe wo wing tothe corse foe ‘shat devesom he cor'photographywall-known anduseby theGeve ‘Peril Athen? ly cos spray aii. | do ot mean to crt phtograpy othe Greds bor my own prpoesoirpe typo thon Por we charged wsthinpiay or etroducng apart fel ponte shied fo goes, The point you con cave but conot photorephh ge. The Mu bj Fonte graven mage mig be eal pproprit formy purpowes Who! | realy wort now, houghall yen lo much whet photo (ephya what: photegroply nck or ction Hr Were theft photograptic ciency der vi emo a ‘ny ret grondlthr bu a see whet sks He” Oxr con of wha ‘aor everinglooaliindudrgtn ofc oe ats depp long nndation of morecr ls inacerate photogenic ecrd Whatighmon inacioton tohows thar cncrths prods cb int whale sotospeckososingeletanancow gecreohomindiswhet on shou imeicing CA: Yes more of hat. 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