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Opinion of TBSP Right Time Program - George Moldenhauer

In response to the inquiry from Paul Diehl (June 1994 issue) concerning The Right Time Programs. I own
the Right Time Index Program for stock index options (OEX). My experience with the program, which I
have had for a couple of years, is less than favorable.

In fact, I have kept an accurate signal log for both the OEX and XAU signals and they are a far cry from
the track record that is frequently published in the many advertisements that indicate 10's of millions of
dollars in profits. In many cases the dates of their transactions were dramatically different than what my
records show.

When I called the company for technical support, I was told that my data must contain errors (which I
checked and that is not the case) and any further questions would go unanswered since I purchased the
software from a third party software vendor. Basically, in my opinion, the ads for this software are hype,
and somehow this organization seems to be immune from any disciplinary action that might stem from
false advertising.

Personally, I would not spend another dime on any product produced by this company. But I was able to
make some use of the program. I run the numbers each day for several indices and use the support and
resistance signals to switch mutual funds.

A word of caution! The program will change the support on resistance signals if the market does not
respond on the next trading day (i.e. if the software signals that support has been hit when you run the
numbers for the close of a particular day. The next day must generate a positive net change close in order
for that support signal to be valid. Otherwise the support signal could move from one day to the next which
accounts for the dramatic results that appear on your historical graph).

You can access the chart that shows support and resistance under the Review field and making the selection
Graph Cumulative Data. I don't know how it might work for the futures program. You might want to
experiment and do some extensive paper trading, before committing real hard earned dollars.

On another subject: I am interested in hearing from anyone with experience with the Futures Market
Analyzer program...especially the new version being offered on an annual fee basis. I own a previous
version, that in real time, contains some serious flaws that will dramatically impact the hypothetical track


Why Was A System Not Mentioned in the S&C Magazine Readers
Choice Awards...An Observation, An Answer, and a follow-up Article
by Zoltan S. from Austria

I would like to know why the Swing Catcher Trading System is not advertised in S&C Magazine. Also, I
received the S&C Magazine Issue containing their Readers' Choice Awards, under the section titled
"Systems: Futures Trading," I see Swing Catcher was not mentioned. Why is that?

(Editor Note: In answer to the above, I faxed a reply to Zoltan similar to the Editor Comments articles
about S&C Magazine in this month's issue. The new article printed below was subsequently received from
Zoltan in response to that...opinions on this matter are invited from other members).

I would like to submit my unbiased and independent opinion to you regarding your comments about your
dealings with S&C. Technical Analysis of Stocks & Commodities is a well-known futures industry
magazine and I find that you acted on behalf of the prospective customers of the system when you
submitted your system to S&C for review.

S&C, as a third party, if it prepares a system evaluation, needless to say, it should be unbiased and
adequately informative. Errors found afterwards should immediately be corrected and published. Because
the opinion of a well-known third party publisher is highly appreciated, the errors without prompt
corrections can have serious consequences, first of all in futures trading.

You mentioned that S&C promised and failed to publish an in-depth review. In the first place, the
prospective customers of Swing Catcher have been negatively affected, for due to the lack of the review,
maybe they could not obtain another third party opinion of the system; or they were not even aware of the
system and may have bought another system that performs inferior to it.

It is evident that in order to prepare a sophisticated evaluation of a computerized mechanical trading
system, one should install all the program and see how it really works. Because, some systems don't work
in real-time trading.

Prior to real-time trading the system, the best way is to generate walk forward (out of sample) tests or to
paper trade the system for a short while, in order to obtain a simulated "real time" performance figure, with
no hindsight, based on a statistically significant number of trades. The system which they did not install,
even allows testing on portfolio level.

You mentioned that S&C prepared a Quick Scan review, containing errors and without installing the
software and without immediate error corrections, so I think it's OK that you canceled all ads.

I find it unfair that the ballots used for the S&C Readers' Choice Award, do not allow the readers to
discretionary vote for a certain system, but only for the systems that use display advertisements in S&C.
Right now, I have the 1994 S&C bonus issue in my hand. On page 69, the introduction to S&C Readers'
Choice Awards states that "this listing represents products and services that S&C subscribers are using
and/or find useful."

There is no indication that the listing is limited to the advertisers. In addition, foreign subscribers were
excluded from the voting, this is a pure discrimination, and reinforces the limited style of the S&C Readers'
Choice Award.

Therefore, the "novice" reader has the feeling that the systems not ranked in the S&C Readers' Choice
Award perform poorly compared to the listed ones and are not worth future investigation.

Why People Do Not Make Money Buying and Selling Commodities - W. D. Gann


I have stated in my books many times the market does not beat you, it is your own human weakness that
causes you to defeat yourself. The average man or woman nearly always wants to buy low and sell high.
The farmer always wants to sell at high prices whatever he produces but he wants to buy what he needs at
low prices.

The laboring man wants high wages all the time but wants low prices for what he buys to eat and wear.
This is a violation of a fundamental economic law and it just will not work. To make a success in
speculation, you cannot expect to buy low and sell high. You will make money when you do exactly the
opposite of what the average man or woman wants to do or tries to do, and makes a failure and loses as a
result of what they are trying to do.

You will make profits when you learn to Buy High and Sell Low. You must learn to follow the trend of
prices and realize that they are Never Too High To Buy as Long as the Trend is Up and Never Too Low To
Sell as Long as the Trend is Down.

Why a Broker Can't Always Answer Phone
if Busy and Uses Alternative - Ira Epstein

In reviewing a letter from (CTCN Member) Wayne Roberts (in July issue), I saw that Mr. Roberts said he
"couldn't believe it" concerning the fact that at Ira Epstein & Company, what he got when he called was a
recorded message. This deserves a full answer.

At Ira Epstein & Co. we have sophisticated computerized telephone equipment that places customers into a
"Call Que" if all of our order clerks are busy. An example of this happened this morning, July 29, 1994,
when the GDP report came out, the markets went into fast conditions. The telephones at our company lit up
and virtually every single order clerk was on the phone taking orders from clients.

What happens to someone that calls in while our clerks are on the phone? At Ira Epstein, the caller is told
that all clerks are busy and that their calls will be answered in the order that they were received.

Our computers will then place calls, in the order that they came in, with the order desk. This prevents
favoritism and should prevent any client from thinking that he is not being handled in a prompt manner.
Additionally, in the few times that a client has to go into the "Call Que", he will hear live quotes on the
markets and will also hear what reports, if any, came out and reaction to it. I don't know of any other firm
that operates this efficiently.

After market hours we have voice mail on our trade desks so that our accounts are able to place orders. We
will take that order, via the clients instructions from our voice mail, and place it for them in the proper
market. Again, this is an extra service that is offered.

If any of your readers believe that they can deal with any brokerage firm that will be adequately staffed to
answer all phone calls from all accounts at one time, they are kidding themselves. The questions become
one of how to balance the resources of the firm while offering fair commissions, and a high level of
service. We have done this and done this efficiently for our cliental.

Rather than the old method of grabbing a phone and shouting into it "Hold On" and then finishing with the
original caller and having the clerk trying to remember who he just spoke with, we beat that chaos. This
benefits the clients, the clerks and offers a high level of efficiency.

As for the rest of Mr. Roberts questioning as to what your CTCN does, I will not answer that. He seems to
believe that CTCN is a "confidential, closed-circuit for members only."

I do not know if he is right or wrong on that. What I do know is, if somebody is going to publish a fact they
should research it and at the very least, hear the other person's point of view, so that the other members do
not get a jaded point of view from one sour apple that may not fully understand a procedure. I think that is


what the benefit of CTCN is to its members and subscribers. Wrong information or only partial information
may not be what they are looking for.

Did John Hill (Futures Truth) Benefit From My "Stolen"
Key to Currencies System - Gerald Greenwald

John Hill says that initially, they "back-engineered" my system Key to Currencies Software. Then he
"received" an anonymous copy of my program logic from "someone" who had also back-engineered it!

My maximum drawdown trading the basket of the 4 currencies was about $11,000, over the 15 years of

He says "we have always told vendors to show us where we are wrong and we will immediately correct
them." I told him, he failed to correct!

He says, "if something is sold to the public, (he) believes Futures Truth has every right to publish results,
irrespective of how the methodology comes to us." From a "professional" like John Hill, I have never heard
nor would I expect to, such a totally unethical, immoral posture. In effect, he's admitting to having accepted
my stolen property (which is copyrighted) and to having resold it for his personal benefit.

Because of its enormous profitability and popularity, I took "Key to Currencies Software," priced at
$85,000, with liberal terms available, off the market on July 1. However, due to interest sparked by CTCN's
readership, I will answer inquires from CTCN people.

Don't worry, John, I'm enjoying my life, wife, kids, retirement, etc. too much to sue you right now.

Are Systems That Use Different Parameters or Only Trade A
Limited Number of Markets Curve-Fitted - Russell Sands

Although it is a definition of technical analysis, I do not agree with John Hill's suggestion that simply
taking past data and using it to forecast future results is a generic definition of curve fitting. In my mind,
curve fitting means either using different systems for different markets, or using different parameters of the
same system for different markets, and this is not valid technical analysis.

Historical testing via computer means inputting a set of numbers (high, low, closing prices), and receiving
back an output set of rules that hopefully will make money trading. The numbers themselves do not have
names, and the computer doesn't recognize the difference between 'Beans' or 'Bonds'. For a system to be
valid, it must work on all numbers tested, not just those with certain names and not others with different

If a system works on Cattle, but not on Beans, this system is curve fitted over a specific set of data (Cattle)
and it loses all statistical validity. To believe it will work in the future as it has worked in the past is very

Also, different markets do not have different personalities. Again, they are reduced to just being a set of
numbers or a bunch of algorithms. If a channel breakout (or any other) method is successful, then the same
parameter must be used for all the markets, for the same reasons as above. You cannot use a 20-day
channel in Silver and a 40-day channel in Corn, this also falls under the crime of curve fitting.

I therefore take exception to any system, Futures Truth tested or otherwise, that either only trades one
specific market or group of markets, or trades different markets using parameters or rules of the same
system. All this proves is what has worked best in the past, and this will usually not continue to work in the
future, as there is no correlation under this scenario.


This letter is not specifically written to condemn vendors, or Futures Truth itself. This is a clarification of
my definitions of 'optimizing' and 'curve fitting', and a warning as to what types of trading systems may be
valid and what to stay away from.

Let me close by emphasizing that these are not my own opinions, but were the opinions taught to me by my
two very famous 'market wizard' mentors, who based on their own long records of success, obviously know
what they are talking about.

Headlines Can Be Traded Profitably, With No Knowledge
of Past Prices - Edward Forys

Regarding the statement (made by John Hill of Futures Truth) "There is really no way to design a system
without a knowledge of past prices or past patterns", I would like to submit the following:

I used to trade newspaper headlines only. The way it worked was this: every day, I would check the
headlines in a major daily newspaper (LA Times). I would also check for major breaking stories. I would
look for unexpected events which would catch most traders (and people) by surprise. For example, the
Tylenol scare, Valdez oil spill, large plane crashes, invasion of Kuwait, etc.* The reason I did this, was that
in the past, I had observed that almost every time there would be an immediate reaction and it was
generally an over-reaction.

I would track the price forward from the time of the event and when I thought the time was appropriate (my
judgement call), I would fade the action (go long after bad news and a decline). Inevitably, the price would
return to its original price (or almost, sometimes higher) before the event and I would get out with a profit.
This worked great and I won almost every time (if price did not move at all after I got in, I would get out
with only a tiny loss). The biggest problem I had with this system was that it was very boring waiting for
the next news break. It was almost like what I heard a pilot say about flying an airplane, hours of boredom
occasionally interrupted by moments of terror.

Another problem was sometimes entering the market too soon, especially if it was a commodity (too much
leverage); then, I might have to endure a paper loss while waiting for price to recoup.

Now, assuming that this is indeed a system, my question is this: Is this a curve fitted system? When I
entered the market, I had little knowledge of past price history or fundamental knowledge of the company
or industry or commodity. I had to know the current price to figure out how many shares to buy. If it was a
commodity, I had to know what the margin requirement was to figure out how many contracts to buy.

Since I did not look at a chart, I had no idea of what patterns might be there. Was this system subjective or
objective or a blend? I did not use a computer or any fancy indicators, I just tried to use common sense and
the observation noted above.

The main reason this system worked, I figured, was that it was taking advantage of human nature to sell
(erroneously) on bad news. Others might say that it was the specialists (floor traders) controlling the market
by using the news to their advantage. (Is that why major news breaks are released to the floor before the

*Even the cold fusion announcement was no exception; after going straight up, palladium eventually
returned to its original price. I did not fade this particular move because with an engineering background, I
felt the risk was much too high. If cold fusion proved out to be true, (I didn't know enough physics to figure
out if it was true) the price of palladium would have gone through the roof, the whole world would have
been affected (dirt cheap energy) and I would have been stopped out with a loss.

The Trend is Your Friend & Standing Aside If System
Performance Declines - Steve Neslen


Many thanks for your publication of CTCN, and your related products and services. You have proven
yourself to be someone of integrity.

I have been an active futures trader for the past two and a half years, and have been almost exclusively a
short-term position trader. Since following my system's recommendations almost exclusively since March
1994, I have been able to record a moderate success for the first extended period (four months ended June

As an observation, two factors stand out as contributory. Firstly, my system's utilization of profit targets,
and my discipline using them, (I have found MIT orders to be most effective, as many exchanges do not
accept OCOs). Secondly, I note the existence of several clearly trending markets (notably, crude oil, copper
and bean oil).

I am reminded of a cliche offered by one trading guru or another, "at some point one realizes that the trend
is your only friend." In view of the difficulties I encountered during the last two weeks of July 1994, and
the present lack of clearly trending markets, I must agree with this guru's sentiment. So, perhaps this is one
of those periods in which one is well-advised to sit on the sidelines and await further developments.

As I look back over the previous two years of learning experience, I note that had I known enough to 'sit
out' several very choppy periods, I would have fared much, much better. Perhaps the existence of only two
'highly ranked' markets recommended by my system could be thought of as an indicator that the
commodities markets generally are in one such choppy period. So, for the present I shall sit and wait.

Also, I have recently developed an interest in learning more about day trading currencies, particularly in
view of the difficulties presented by Globex and night trading. If anyone has information or advice
regarding any of the currency day trading systems currently on the market, I would appreciate hearing from
you through CTCN. Note: I am particularly impressed with claims made by Michael Gent for his
Recurrence III and IV systems, but have no information from independent sources.

Mid-Am based data can replace Globex Data - John Bowley

As many of you may be aware, Evening and Globex data are not used (or recommended) by various trading
systems. This (night) data is usually combined with day data by exchanges and reported. If your data
supplier does not supply day only data, it is suggested that Mid-Am mini-contract data be used, (as a
substitution for Globex/Night data) since they have no evening session.

For example, developers of ROCM and another Trading System I use both agree that it should be OK to
trade Bonds and Currencies with either regular or mini-contracts.

How To Control Broker Order Accuracy - Carl Iverson

Here is a simplified method I use to control broker order accuracy. Before I call my broker, I write the
following on an 8-1/2x11 sheet of margin ruled paper:

At the top center, I write my account number. In the body, I write the order information (buy or sell,
quantity, exchange, contract month, commodity and price or action). Some of this information, i.e.
exchange, isn't necessary in this case - but when it is, there is no question about which commodity I want.

Then I call my broker and give them my name and account number. I then wait until my broker responds.
That way I know that they are ready for the order. Next I read the order. This insures that I don't say buy
instead of sell or forget some important data. The sequence of this information (buy/sell, quantity,
exchange, etc.) is the sequence preferred by the brokers and thus further reduces the potential for error.


When the broker repeats my order information, I don't have to think about what I've said. Instead I just
visually check their confirmation against what I have written. In the margin, to the left of the ruled line, I
place the type of order, date, time, broker's name and broker assigned ticket number.

If I was dealing with large lot sizes or if I was placing my first orders, I would also tape record my order
placement. As soon as I hang up the phone I would replay the conversation and check my broker's
confirmation against what I had written.

When some type of action has occurred to the order, I write this information to the right of the vertically
ruled line. If the order is filled, I note the price, date and broker. If it's an expired day order, I write expired.
If I cancel the order, I so note along with the date, time and broker.

The important point is that each order must at some point had action taken. This is especially true with
GTC or good until canceled orders, which if not canceled could cost you a lot of money.

This format enables you to quickly spot any incomplete order status. It also makes it easy to insure that sell
orders are covered by buys and that all quantities are accounted for.

I keep all open orders in a 3-ring binder. Once complete, they're removed and filed.

Also, I prefer not to chit chat with my broker when giving him orders. Distractions can lead to errors on
their part or mine. If you must shoot the breeze, wait until after you've received and checked your

Astrological Forecast Follow-Up Request - Steve Gibson

Looking back at the (astrologically based) forecast made by Carol Murphy in the May issue, I see that she
started out fairly well. Perhaps you could drop her a line and tell us something about how she made it? Who
knows? Maybe someone has an idea on how to improve it!

(Editors Note: I did, I sent a copy of this letter to Carol and asked her to expand upon it in next month's

P&L Report on Futures Truth's Universal System & Why Did Its
Performance Decline & A Simple System I Propose that May Not be
Doomed to Fail - Vern Nord

As I looked over the June/July issue of Futures Truth, I noticed they added Futures Truth Universal LT
while still keeping the old Universal System. The Universal LT System is long-term and does not trade as
often as the Universal System. The Universal LT System appears in both the Top 10 Since Release Date
and the Top 10 for the Past 12 months.

I want to stop here and say that my comments are not made to criticize Future Truth, John Hill or John
Fisher in any way. I merely want to point out general problems with all system testing.

In the December 92 issue of Technical Analysis of Stocks & Commodities, John Sweeney wrote a review
of the original Universal System, he said "Well, who would know better how to put together a system?
Futures Truth, headed by John Fisher, has seen the guts of many systems and monitored their performance
for more than half a decade."

I personally would agree with this statement and Futures Truth tested this system on 22 different
commodities over a 9-year period. John Sweeney said that results for all 17 commodities across all nine
years were uniformly in the black.


Futures Truth optimized 5 parameters for each commodity to obtain these results, but they were unable to
find any set of parameters which were profitable on New York Futures Exchange contracts, cotton, gold,
cattle and lumber. If Futures Truth couldn't find a system that's profitable on every commodity, then maybe
system hacks like myself should stop looking for a system that does it all. About a year later, Futures Truth
showed a detailed report on Universal with the results on the best six commodities. The report showed a
total profit of over $520,000 for the six commodities over a 10-year period from 1-83 to 4-30-93.

If you were looking to buy a system that would make you $50,000 a year, so you could quit your job and
enjoy the good life, you would be disappointed.

For the last 12 months, this system has been loosing money overall. This is typical of all systems, and this
is why so few systems show up on both of Futures Truth lists. Very few of the Top 10 since release still
show up on the Top 10 for the last 12 months, and the reason is that commodity prices are non-stationary.
Any type of system is doomed to fail. The only question is, how soon will it fail.

It is like someone said recently, "It is the only game where they keep changing the rules and nobody tells
you." Now that I have said that, I would like to suggest an exception to the rule. The one possible exception
would be a simple system based on relative strength similarly to the one used by Timers Digest on the
DJIA and Fidelity Select Funds.

Take the concept of relative strength and rate all commodities compared to the CRB Index to come up with
a list from strongest to weakest. You could buy the 2 or 3 strongest commodities and sell the 2 or 3 weakest
ones. Add some money management rules and a trailing money management stop of $400 to $500 and you
are in business.

An Opinion Trend Index Products Should Not Be Covered
in CTCN & Other Improvements - George Bashar

I have been receiving CTCN since the early part of this year and have found several of the articles
interesting. However, I would like to make some suggestions to improve the newsletter. You should
include some guidelines in this issue as to what should be acceptable contributions and what should not.
Also, your position as editor should take into account some of these suggestions.

First of all, enough already about Hillary!! Anyone who has been trading commodity futures for at least a
month knows how Hillary made her killing, and knows that it was not due to her expertise with respect to
fundamentals or charting. She and slick Willie were given a gift by Tyson Foods camouflaged as trading
profits in return for favors when he became governor. Clear and simple. Why waste any more valuable
space on this matter?

Secondly, I feel that you should refuse all commentary on your Swing Catcher system in CTCN. You
should keep the promotion of Swing Catcher totally separate from the objective and impartial views in
CTCN. If anyone needs references before buying Swing Catcher, they should be provided separately, not as
part of CTCN. This policy would heighten the credibility of both Swing Catcher and CTCN.

Finally, since we are all traders, or presumably would not be interested in subscribing to CTCN, why not
aim to get more of a discussion of subscribers experiences with books, newsletters and most importantly,
systems that work or do not work. This would be the greatest service CTCN could provide to its subscribers
- keeping them from wasting their money on some of the worthless systems that are out there being hawked
as the latest Holy Grails.

I have enjoyed CTCN so far, up to a point. But, it has gotten somewhat repetitious lately. I know that you
put a small request at the end of each newsletter inviting contributions to the next newsletter. Perhaps if you
made the request more explicit and explained in more detail what types of submissions would be welcome,
we could all benefit more from future issues.


Suggestion CTCN Has Ongoing Trading Contest & Test Systems - Phil Baker

I would like you and your subscribers to talk about any filters they use in their trading that keeps them out
of a lot of whipsaw losses.

I would also like your subscribers to talk more about how they trade and about the different trading systems
they use and less about, I bought this system and it's no good or I bought this system and it's the greatest
system ever. Because everyone has a different opinion, so if anyone wants to talk about trading systems,
talk about how it signals trades and how you use it.

I have also read and heard about using Gann lines to forecast a change in trend when two Gann lines cross.
I would like to know if you know anything about this and if you do, which Gann lines should one use to
forecast intermediate change in trend? Because there are so many Gann lines, that if you used all lines
there would be Gann lines crossing at least once or twice per week.

I also have an idea that could possibly get more interest in your newsletter and get more subscribers
involved. I got the idea for a contest from articles I read in investing magazines and newspapers. So I think
you should have a contest where you publish a different commodity every one or two months and set a 2-4
year time period and let interested subscribers enter.

They would test any system or trading method they want to and enter it in the contest. They must show how
they got their signals and how the system works and also show profits-losses, and trades taken. You could
then show the top 5 or 10 systems in your newsletter and you or your subscribers could pick the winner.
The winner or winners could get a certificate suitable for framing or 6-month free subscription to CTCN. I
think it would really help a lot of traders, because they can see how others trade, I know it would really
help me.

How I Solved My Computer Fax/Modem Problems - Chris Ongley

Two years ago, I bought a new 386-33 computer with hard drive, for both DOS and Windows programs.
Six months later, I added a Fax/Modem Card. I started to receive a daily fax from my broker. Initially, no
problems, but as time went by, I started getting problems.

The computer would answer the phone to start the fax communication sequence. However, the sending
computer and my computer failed to communicate and would then timeout. By the end of 1993, my fax
success rate was down to 20% or less. This also included sending the board back to manufacturer and many
discussions with the fax/modem manufacturer and the phone company. At the same time, I had bought a
trading program which would not work on my machine.

After much discussion with the programmer, it came down to the bios in my mother board. My machine
came with MR BIOS. I then upgraded to a 486 mother board with AMI bios. This solved my software
problem and my fax/modem board has worked perfectly everyday now for 2-1/2 months.

If you are in the market for a new or used computer, I would recommend making sure the mother board has
the AMI Bios.

On a different subject: Has anybody had dealings with Jules Greenstein from California, who has been
promoting his trading system Prime/Line? Please let us know what your results and comments are.

Pocket Quote Pro Review - Don Good

I'm replying to Paul Diehl's request regarding Pocket Quote Pro. I have been using PQP for over a month. I
purchased it as it was, by far, the cheapest method of obtaining both real-time and delayed quotes.


The "real-time" quotes rarely jive with the "real-time" quotes I receive by phone through 1st Americans
InfoLine. However, they are usually within 1-3 ticks of each other. PQP's keypad is electronic and I find it
harder to use than if it had buttons.

The biggest problem I've had with PQP is that it's not really portable. I got it as I often have to travel during
market hours and I wanted to keep tabs on the market. Even though I live in an urban area and PQP's FM
transmitter is near by, I find the PQP is rarely able to pickup the signal.

So for all practical purposes, it's worthless on the road or in various locations, other than my office. I was
able to get it to receive signals in one location by moving the antenna to various locations and finally
getting it to work in a convenient location on my desk. Therefore, PQP is still the cheapest way to obtain
quotes, just don't expect to travel with it.

Editor Comments

Several years ago Technical Analysis of Stocks & Commodities Magazine said they wanted to do a
detailed full review of Swing Catcher Trading System. It was to be for the benefit of both their readers and
prospective buyers of the software. It was sent to them via Federal Express, plus some updates, but the long
ago promised review never appeared.

After waiting patiently for almost a year, they were (politely) asked about the long delay. I ended up
speaking to three top officials there (Thom Hartle, John Sweeney, and Jack Hudson). Pointing out to them
the promised Full Product Review was for the benefit of their readers and also improves the quality and
value of their magazine, did not dissuade them from refusing to do the review. In fact, they would not even
give the reason they did not and would not do the promised Full Product Review.

How Can A Review Be Done Without Actually Running the Software?

They did in fact do an earlier so called "Quick Scan Review". However, is was far too short and poorly
detailed to be very helpful to their readers and it also contained some errors. It turned out the errors and
shortness of the review may have been attributable to them NOT actually installing the software on their
computer! Instead, they did the review based 100% on simply reading the trading system manual and the
accompanying advertising!

Even though they had the actual software disks, they chose not to install them because I was told it was
easier for them, compared to actually running the program.

Last Year's S&C Magazine Readers Choice Awards
Ended-Up Biased & Discriminatory

As to why certain products seemingly received no votes and therefore were not ranked in the S&C
Magazine Readers' Choice Awards.

A few months ago I called them about that and asked them why some well known and good products
apparently received zero votes. I also pointed out it seemed very strange Swing Catcher System received no
votes in view of the fact it received many votes and was rated as the number one system in a Futures
Magazine Readers Survey!

The answer they gave was very disappointing. I was told at that time they used ballots that only contained
the names of systems and trading products that were doing display advertising in their magazine. In other
words, a product may in fact be the most popular or "best" product but merely because they were not
advertising it in S&C Magazine, it was purposely not listed on the ballot and therefore received no votes!


Their methodology was even more alarming in view of the fact most products do NOT in fact run display
ads in their magazine. That results in the large majority of products being in effect eliminated, in favor of
the small number of actual advertisers.

As a result of their voting method the S&C Magazine Readers' Choice Awards were unfair and misleading
to the trading public. However, I am sure they did NOT deliberately intend to mislead anyone as their
overall reputation is very good.

However, last year's Readers' Choice Awards survey results are suspect and of only limited value to their
readers and the trading public. It would be extremely difficult for a trading product/service to receive any
votes if it is not listed on the ballot! Is there any chance a politician could be elected if his name was not on
the actual ballots...of course not!

I have personally talked to a number of traders who told me they purchased certain trading products based
to a large degree (or even based 100%) on the fact that a certain product was ranked number one, or ranked
highly in the S&C Awards.

I have also talked to traders who decided against buying certain products because the product/system was
NOT listed in the Awards rankings, as a result of getting no votes in its category. (Note: see last paragraph
of article by Zoltan on page 2)

These traders were totally unaware that last year only display advertisers were on the ballot. There very
possibly could have been several other trading products (non-advertisers) that would have been much better
or more useful, etc., than the product they purchased.

Unfortunately, they did not know how severely limited the S&C Awards were and purchased under the
belief they were truly buying the number one or a highly rated product. Or alternatively, did not buy or
even consider another product or system because he was under the impression it was no good due to getting
no votes.

Today, I called S&C and was told they have changed their policy and now include non-display advertisers.
They have also greatly expanded the products listed. For example, the number of qualifying trading
systems has expanded to 25 this year on the ballot included in their August 1994 issue. I was also told those
results will be published in their December 1994 issue.

This subject demonstrates how awards and rankings of products and systems can not always be relied upon,
regardless of the credibility or reputation of the source. However, S&C Magazine is to be congratulated for
greatly improving their ballot and voting methodology, compared to the previous year. About John
Bowley's article on substituting Mid-Am Exchange data for Globex/Night data. That can be done.
However, it makes more sense to switch data vendors and go to a data vendor that does in fact supply day
session only data from the major exchange, not Mid-Am.

Reference the suggestion from George Bashar, that articles referring to Swing Catcher be prohibited. There
is really no conflict of interest. In fact, only 3% of past articles were about the system, and they were
written by Club Members, not the System Developer/Editor. However, I fully agree with George that it
would be best if that was done. Especially from a credibility standpoint.

Therefore, we will try hard not to publish articles from CTCN Members referring to it. Especially, if the
article is not relevant to non-owners of the program. Sometimes a Member may want to discuss important
money-management or methodology issues, and he may refer to the system in his article. If that's the case, I
will usually delete the system name from the article. In fact, I have done that (whenever possible) in this
issue and will do that even more starting with next month's issue.

About all the Hillary articles...George is right...enough is enough...no more about Hillary!

Thanks to all who made contributions to this issue of Commodity Traders Club News.


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