1. (S/NF) Summary. Canadian Security Intelligence Service (cSts] Director Judd discussed donestic and foreign terror threats with Counselor of the State Department Cohen in Ottawa on July 2. gudd admitted that CSIS was increasingly distracted from ite mission by lega? challenges that could endanger foreign intelligence-sharing with Cahadian agencies. He predicted that the upcoming release of a DVD of Guantanamo detainee and Canadian citizen Omar Khadr's interrogation by Canadian officials would lead to heightened pressure on the government to press for his return to Canada, which the government would continue to resist. Judd shared Dr. Cohen's negative assessment of current political, economic, and security trends in Pakistan, and was worried about what it would mean for the ISAF mission in Afghanistan. Canada has begun formulating an inter-agency Pakistan strategy, and CSIS had agreed to open a channel co Iran's intelligence service which Judd has not yet "figured out (Septel will cover Dr. Cohen's discussions regarding Pakistan and the OFF and SAP missions in Afghanistan.) End summary 2. (S/NF) Counselor of the Department of State Zlict cohen and CSIS Director Jim Judd in Ottawa on July 2 discussed threats posed by violent Islamist groups in Canada, and recent developments in Pakistan and Afghanistan. (CSTS is Canada’s lead agency for national security intelligence.) Director Judd ascribed an "Alice in Wonderland" worldview to canadians and their courts, whose judges have tied CSIs "in knots," making it ever more difficult to detect and prevent terror attacks in Canada and abroad. The situation, he commented, left government security agencies on the defensive und losing public support for their effort to protect Canada and its allics Legal wrangling Risks Chill REfect 3. (S/tie) Responding to Dr. Cohen's query, Judd said CSIs hail responded to recent, non-specific intelligence on possible terror operations by "vigorously harassing" known Hezbollah members in Canada, According to Judd, CSIs‘ current assessment is that no attack ie “in the offing" in Canada. He noted, however, that Hezbollah menbers, and their lawyers, were considering new avenues of litigation resulting from recent court rulings that, Judd complained, had inappropriately treated intelligence agencies like law enforcement bodies (refs A and C}). The Director chaerved that CSIS was “sinking deepex and deeper into judicial processes," making Legal Affaire the fastest growing division of his organization. Indeed, he added, legal challenges were becoming a "distraction" that could have a uajor "chill effect" on intelligence officials. 4. (StF) Judd derided vecent judgments in Canada’s courtsthat threaten to undermine foreign government intelligence- and information-sharing with Canada. These judgments posit that Canadian authorities cannot use information that "may have been" derived from torture, and that any Canadian public official who conveys such information may be subject to criminal prosecution. This, he commented, put the government in @ reverse-onus situation whereby it would have to “prover the innocence of partner nations in the face of assumed wrongdoing 5. (S/NF) gudé credited Prime Minister Stephen Harper's minority Conservative government for "taking it on the chin and preesing ahead" with commen sense measures despite court challenges and political knocks from the opposition and interest groups. When asked to look to the future, Judd predicted that Canada would soon implement Uk-like legal procedures that make intelligence available to "vetted Sefense lawyers who see everything the judge sees." WOFORN STEDIS B.0, 12958: DBCL: 07/09/2018 TAGS: PREL, PTER, MOPS, TR, PX, AF, CR SUBJECT: COUNSELOR, CSIS DIRECTOR DISCUSS CT THREATS PAKISTAN, APGHANISTAN, IRAN Terror Cases and Communities Present Mixed Pictures 6. (C/NP) Judd commented that cherry-picked sections of the court-ordered release of a DVD of Guantanamo detainee and Canadian citizen Omar Khadr (ret D) would likely show three (Canadian) adults interrogating a kid who breaks doym in rears. He observed that the images would no doubt trigger “knee-jerk anti-Americanism’ and "paroxysns of moral outrage, a Canadian specialty,’ as well as lead to a new round of heightened pressure on the government co press for Khadr's return to Canada, He predicted that PM Marper's government vould nonetheless continue to resist this pressure 7. (C) The Director mentioned other major cases that also presented CSIS with major legal headaches due to the use of intelligence products in their developnent: Momin Khawaja has been on trial for his role in an Al Qaeda UK borib plet since June 23 in the first major test of Canada's 2001 Anti-Terrorism act, and Canada's ability to protect intelligencé supplied by foreign governnent sources (ref D); the trial of the first of the home-grown Toronto 11 {down from 18) terror plotters, which is also now underway; and, the prosecution of Global Islamic Media Front propagandist Said Namowh, who was arrested in Quebec in 2007 for conspiring te conduct bombings in Austria and Germany a. (C) dudd said he viewed Khawaja and his "ilk" as YWoutliers, due in part to the fact that Canada‘s ethnic Pakistani community is unlike its ghestoized and poorly educated UX counterpart. Tt is largely made up of traders, lawyers, doctors, engineers, and others who see promise for themselves and their children in North America, he observed, so its members are unlikely to engage in domestic terror plots. He said that therefore CSIS main domestic focus is instead on fundraising and procurement, as well as the recruitment of a amall number of Canadian twannabes" of Pakistani origin for mostly overseas operations. Pakistan and Afghanistan 9. (¢) Turning to Pakistan, Counselor Cohen briefed his recent trip to Islamabad and Peshawar, noting his alarm at the degrading economic, political, and security situation there, and its implications for Pakistan, Afghan, and vegional stability. Judd responded that Dr. Cohen's sober assessment tracked with CSIS' own view of Pakistan, and thar ‘ic is hard te see a good outcome there” due to that country's political, economic, and security failures, on top of fast-rising oil and food prices. Canada does not have an explicit strategy for Pakistan, Judd said, but Privy Council Deputy Sacretary David Mulroney (who leads the interagency on Afghanistan) now has the lead on developing one (septel) br. Cohen renarked, and Judd agreed, that it would be necessary to avoid approaching Pakistan as simply an adjunct to the ISAP and ORF missions in Afghanistan. 10. (S/NF) C8IS ie far from being "high-five mode" on Afghanistan, Judd asserted, due in part to Karzai's weak leadership, widespread corruption, the lack of will to press ahead on Counter-nazcoties, limited Afghan security force capability (particularly the police) and, most recently, the Sarpoza prison break. He commented that CSIS had seen farpote coming, and its link to the Quetta Shura in Pakistan, but could not get @ handle on the timing Ivanian Outreach Al. {8/NF) Judd added that he and his colleagues are “very, very worxied” about Izan. CSIS recently talked to Iran's Ministry of Intelligence and Security (MOIS) after that agency requested its own channel of communication to Canada, he said. The Iranians agreed to "help" on afghan issues, including sharing information regarding potential attacks However, “we have not figured out what they are up te," Judd confided, since it is clear that the “Iranians want SAF to bleed. slowly." HOFORN SEPDIS.B.0, 12958: DRCL: 07/09/2018 TAGS: PREL, PER, MOPS, IR, PK, AP, CA SUBJECT: COUNSELOR, CSIS DIRECTOR DISCUSS CT THREATS, PAKISTAN, AFGHANISTAN, IRAN 12. () Dr, Cohen has cleared this message. / Visit Canada, Economy and Environment Forum at hvtp://www, intelink. gov/communities/state/canada WILKINS BT . ose Ww End Cable Text Michele L Stovall 07/10/2008 08:48:07 AN From D8/Inbox: Stoval) Recipient/Profile Information Cable Recipients: Scott D Beliard Brian Blood Michelle A Breen Torry A Breese John L Carwile George M Chastain Linda © Cheatham craig § Cheney Susan T Connolly Christine 4 Cox Jlanga Dandeidge DAO OTTARA, Brie 7 Devault kenneth K Ragerton Robart A Hall Ana Tlic-Hein Matthew Koch Mary M Laurie Elizabeth A Lavergne ¥ileon A Malloy Ashley # Martin Brett D Mattei Robert W Merrigan Xeith W Mines Brian J Mobler Nancy J Nelson Michael R Noraworthy Joan % Qdean Michele LCANADA page 1 of 24 wer sirsany: Ae Presidant ceorge embassy in Ottawa advised him to ‘send the message (hat we value Cannda,with no ite trade disputes and other friction. A Briefing on Canada for Bush #. Bush prepared to visit Canada in 2008, the Ancrieon stringsebreattached* é carery: O¢07TAWAI2I5 mare: 2004-12-18 19:32:00 sence: Embassy Octua classreicatien: SECRET/ /NOEORY pesrimtiot: Thi original cable is not available. record is 2 partial extract of the original cable. The full text of the SBC RE T SECTION 01 OF 04 OTTAWA 003115 sreors NOFORE NSC FOR NSA RICE E.0. 1z9se: DECL: 11/17/2099 TAGE: CA, FGOV, PRE SUBJECT: SCENESETTER FOR NOVERBER 30 - DECEMBER 1, 2008 RESIDENT BUSH, VISIT TO CANADA, Classitied ay: Ambassador Cellucci. reasons 4.4 (b) (a) naty and Key thes 2. (C/RFI Tae Canadian Government and the Embassy stvengly velcone your visit and the opportunities ir will afford to advance our bread bilateral relationship. The two key thenes I would stress for your visit are partnership =né veassurance. The Canadians need to be reagsuved that at the end of the day, whacever cactical disagreements we may have over Iraq and individual trade caces, we are Henly unired across the world,s longest undefended border by common « values, shared political heritage, and the largest bilateral trading relationship in the planet,s history, We need to, send the message that we value Canada wich no strings che early timing of this vieit will help nake this aveached, point (C/KE) Spocificstly, it would be very helpful if you came 2 First, positive to Ortawe with three key public messages. signal demonstrating movement oa B52, short of regolutica but beyond Qve,re working on st.8 A fiza date for completion of the regulation would give PM Martin a huge political boost and help beleaguered Canadian ranchers get through the veins Second, appreciation for the pocitive role Canadians play in the world as peacekeapars and in transsittine our thared politicsl and cultural values to failed and failing states. And third, personal thanks fer our close cooperaticn in defending the continent against terrovisn, hoth in border