mesame

Taoba

_ erTxel, maSin albaT aTi wlis

viyavi an TerTmetis... me da nani
moskovSi, supermarketSi viyaviT,
raRacebs vyidulobdiT... pirvelma
me SevamCnie (me ufro TvalSi
mxvdeba xolme aseTi rameebi)
axalgazrda kaci, romelic
karga xans gvakvirdeboda, roca
darwmunda, rom nani marTlac
nania, awrialda... mere uceb sadRac
gaqra da maleve dabrunda _ xelSi
vardiT. nanis miarTva. vards
komplimentebiT savse baraTic
axlda.
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aseTi epizodi bavSvobidan Zalian bevri maxsovs. iciT
ra aris yvelaze saintereso? nanis yovel jerze uk-
virs, rom is icnes! dRemde aRniSnavs da uxaria, quCaSi
avtografs rom sTxoven. gansakuTrebiT siamovnebs,
Tu misi Tayvanismcemeli Cemi asakis aris _ fiqrobs,
rom Cemi TaobisTvis misi musika iseTi aqtualuri aRar
unda iyos da axalgazrdobis yuradReba gansakuTrebiT
axarebs. amas Sin milionjer mogviyveba xolme. veubnebi
kidec _ kargi ra, nani, Sen kidev, ra gikvirs?!
kars rom gavaReb, nani maSin
momaZaxebs _ es ra gacvia!
unda Sevbrunde, Cavicva,
rogorc mas surs da Semdeg
SemiZlia wavide.
Zalian adreuli asakidan maxsovs yvelaferi, SeiZle-
ba ar damijeroT, magram fragmentulad nanis dedac ki
maxsovs, xandaxan vfiqrob _ netav, es sizmaria Tu namd-
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natalia quTaTelaZe
vili mogonebebi-meTqi, mere gadavamowmeb faqtebs da aR-
moCndeba, rom marTla maxsovs. TviTonac mikvirs _ ori
wlis ar viyavi roca cabu, Cemi didi bebia, gardaicvala,
magram naTlad magondeba _ erTad mivdiodiT nanis kon-
certze, etyoba mexsierebaSi brWyviala detalebi CamrCa
_ nanis kaba migvqonda. cabu daatarebda xolme nanisTvis
sakoncerto kabebs, is darbazic maxsovs, sadac koncerti
unda hqonoda da garSemo raRac xeebic...
Zalian xSirad nani Sin ar iyo, mogzaurobda _ kon-
certebs marTavda, gastrolebi hqonda. magram mTeli
bavSvoba mainc masTan maqvs gatarebuli. ukve didi vi-
yavi, roca jer isev nanisTan meZina. erTad vcxovrobdiT:
me, deda, mama, nani, Cemi orive Zma _ gogiko da levan-
iko, Cemi didi babua, giga _ nanis mama. mxiaruli ojaxi
gvqonda. miuxedavad imisa, rom yvelaze patara viyavi,
gansakuTrebulad ar manebivrebdnen, Zalian zomierad
mzrdidnen, arc araferi maklda da zedmetic araferi
mqonda. ojaxSi diasaxlisi eka iyo. mas ebara praqtikuli
sakiTxebis gadaWra, yvelafris organizeba _ es kargad ga-
mosdis. nani xumrobs, xandaxan minda ekas deda davuZaxoo.
mec ufro praqtikuli da pragmatuli adamiani var. ai,
nani ki sxva samyaroSi cxovrobs. mxolod Tavisi profe-
siiT aris dakavebuli. is, rac ekas evaleba, nanis ar exeba.
nanisTvis musikaze mniSvnelovani araferia.
_ Tavad rogor gadawyvite musikosoba?
_ amaze sagangebod arasodes mifiqria, imis saSualebac
ar mqonia, rom mefiqra. rogorc ki wamovizarde, maSinve
musikis Seswavla damawyebines, Tumca, darwmunebuli var,
asec rom ar yofiliyo da es gza CemTvis gamzadebuli rom
ar daexvedrebinaT, mainc mas avirCevdi. TiTqos dabade-
bidan vicodi, rom musikosi unda gamovsuliyavi. arCevani
mxolod vokalistis an pianistis profesiebs Soris unda
gamekeTebina.
pirvelad scenaze filarmoniis did darbazSi vimRere.
5 wlis viyavi. maxsovs, maia CxeiZis sabavSo simRera _
`mzesumzirebi~ Sevasrule _ radioTi dRemde atrialeben
xolme. ase kargad imitom damamxsovrda, rom bebia gamos-
vlis win sul mimeorebda _ es Seni pirveli koncertia
did darbazSio. me ki vTvli, rom Cemi pirveli namdvilad
`didi~ sakoncerto gamosvla cota ufro mogvianebiT
Sedga. 2004 wels _ paata burWulaZis fondis mier mowyo-
bil saRamoze. es gaxldaT nanis saRamo _ `sami Taoba~
erqva. operaSi nanisTan da ekasTan mReris neba damrTes.
manamde erTad mxolod Sinaurul saRamoebze an stum-
rad Tu gvemRera. pirvelad nanisTan erTad scenaze maSin
davdeqi.
_ repeticiebze ojaxis wevrebs erTmaneTTan rogori
uTierToba gqondaT?
_ nani kritikulze kritikuli gaxlavT. ar vici, es
cnobilia Tu ara, magram, sadac saSualeba gveZleva, me
da eka yvelgan vCiviT, rom gvawamebs. saxlidan gasvlisas,
ukve kars rom gavaReb, maSin momaZaxebs xolme _ es ra
gacvia! da es imas niSnavs, unda Sevbrunde, Cavicva ise,
rogorc mas surs da mxolod amis Semdeg SemiZlia wa-
vide. xandaxan gavujiutdebi xolme, magram bolos mainc
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vemorCilebi da, rac mTavaria, yovelTvis mogebuli vrCe-
bi. Wamas exeba, Cacmas, moqcevas Tu sxva rames, ara aqvs
mniSvneloba, nanis Sefaseba yovelTvis utyuaria, hoda,
Tuki yofaSi aseTi principuli da kritikulia, warmoid-
gineT, rogori iqneba repeticiebze, sul raRac Seswore-
bebi Seaqvs da Cvenc viTvaliswinebT, miT ufro, rom,
rogorc ukve vTqviT, nanis Sefasebebi uzustesia. Tumca
ramdenime TveSi nato
vaCnaZes giorgi Sengelaia
SeeZina, verikos _ sofiko
Wiaureli, cabu miqelaZes
ki _ nani bregvaZe.
arc isea, rom mxolod nanis sityvas hqondes mniSvneloba,
TviTonac xSirad gvekiTxeba rCevebs. patara rom viyavi,
maSinac ki metyoda xolme _ aba, Semomxede, ras ityvi?
ase kargia? _ sruliad seriozulad mekiTxeboda da sru-
liad seriozulad iTvaliswinebda Cems azrsac. albaT,
amis gamo, obieqturoba da kritikuli Tvali me da ekasac
gangviviTarda. TviTon meubneba, rom me mTeli cxovreba
sxvisgan vswavlobdi, vakvirdebodi da Senc Cemgan iswav-
leo...
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nani bregvaZe dedasTan erTad
_ bebiebi da dedebi xSirad adareben sakuTar bavSvobas
Svilebis da SviliSvilebis cxovrebas...
_ nanic asea. Tuki Cveulebrivze odnav ufro efeq-
tur da mkveTri feris tuCis sacxs gamoviyeneb an grZel
sayures Camovikideb (romelzec vgiJdebi, ise miyvars),
maSinve aRSfoTdeba da Wkuis dasarigebel magaliTad
sakuTari bavSvoba mohyavs _ ai, me rom Senxela viyavi,
egeTi rame rom gamekeTebina, ici ras mizamda dedaCemi!..
marTla Zalian mkacri deda hyavda da, Sesabamisad, nanic
Zalian morCili da kargad aRzrdili bavSvi iyo, Tanac,
cota _ gulubryviloc. dResac, xumrobiT, vinmem bilwi
sityva rom uTxras, Sinaarssac ki ver gaigebs. metismetad
wesieria saamisod da unda, rom mec aseTi viyo. arada
is absoluturad gansxvavebuli Taobis warmomadgenelia.
sul sxvanairi bavSvoba hqonda.
_ bavSvobis mogonebebs xSirad giziarebs xolme?
_ sakmaod xSirad, ukve zepirad vici yvelaferi, imi-
tom, rom yoveldRe Tu ara, or dReSi erTxel mainc mi-
ambobs, rogor cxovrobda kote mesxis quCaze _ mTeli
mTawminda movlili maqvs fexiT, patara quCebiT Cavir-
bendi konservatoriaSio. vici, rom mamamiss anu Cems did
babuas, giorgis, igive gigas, rogorc Sinaurebi veZaxdiT,
xSirad iRebdnen filmebSi, kargi faqtura hqonda, aseve
dedasac, cabu miqelaZesac iwvevdnen kinoSi saTamaSod
_ gadaRebulia `Wirveul megobrebSi~, `narinjis velSi~.
gizo niSnianiZis mogonebebis wignSi aris erTi Zalian sain-
tereso foto, swored `narinjis velis~ gadaRebebidan _
sxedan nato vaCnaZe, veriko anjafariZe da cabu miqelaZe,
fotoze sul 11 kacia, gizo niSnianiZe ki wers, rom am
fotoze, sinamdvileSi 14 adamianiao. fotos gadaRebidan
ramdenime TveSi nato vaCnaZes giorgi Sengelaia SeeZina,
verikos _ sofiko Wiaureli da cabu miqelaZes ki _ nani
bregvaZe.
cabu da misi debi SesaniSnavad mRerodnen, maT ojaxSi
mudam kargi qarTuli sufrebi iSleboda, nanis biZaSvil-
mamidaSvilebi erTmaneTze gamoCenili da qalaqSi cnobi-
li adamianebi gaizardnen, albaT yvelam uCemodac icis
stalinisa da qarTveli momRerlis _ qeTevan miqelaZis
gaSairebis ambavi, roca qarTuli kulturis festivalis
monawileebi im Soreul da saSinel 37 wels kremlSi banke-
tze miiwvies, stalinma Sairi wamoiwyo, simRera uyvarda
Turme. `netai, gogo me da Seno~ _ amRerda, movida Sem-
degi kupletis dro, qalma unda upasuxos _ `netai biWo
me da Seno~ da yvela gasusula _ rogoria stalins uTxra
_ `netai, biWoo...~ mxolod qeTevanma gabeda da belads
simReraSi ahyva. stalins ise moewona, daajildova kidec.
qeTevani, cabus da da nanis deida gaxldaT. nani ityvis
xolme, me rom misi xmis tembri mqonoda, iseTi momRerali
viqnebodio... cabus danarCen debs erqvaT: elene, gogola,
Tamari, marusia. qeTevani yvelaze umcrosi gaxldaT.
_ momRerali rogor gaxda?
_ studenti iyo, roca misma megobrebma politeqnikur
institutSi patara orkestri Camoayalibes, sadac solis-
ti qali sWirdebodaT. bunebrivia, nanis simReris ambavi
icodnen da miiwvies. isic daTanxmda _ ufro, gasarTo-
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momRerlis karieraze fiqri azradac ar mosdioda
1964 wels parizidan edit piafis megobari, impresario bruno
kokatriksi Camovida _ artistebi sagastrolod unda SeerCia.
nani imdenad moewona, rom sakoncerto darbaz `olimpiaSi~
solo koncertis gamarTva SesTavaza.
bad. mere ki orkestri popularuli gaxda, moskovSi axal-
gazrdobis saerTaSoriso festivalze gaemgzavra, iq maT
mesame adgili moipoves, nanis ki male `reros~ solistoba
SesTavazes. isev daTanxmda _ ratomac arao, ifiqra _ es
misTvis sulac ar iyo rTuli, Tumca momRerlis karier-
aze fiqri azradac ar mosdioda.
1964 wels sabWoTa kavSirSi parizidan edit piafis me-
gobari, impresario bruno kokatriksi Camovida _ sabWoTa
artistebi parizSi sagastrolod unda SeerCia. uamrav
momRerals mousmina. nani imdenad moewona, rom sakon-
certo darbaz `olimpiaSi~ solo koncertis gamarTva
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SesTavaza. rogorc me vici, parizSi, erT-erTi gamosv-
lis Semdeg, nanis Sarl aznavuri eaxla da Zalian bevri
qaTinauri uTxra. amis Semdeg, bunebrivia, sxva saqmeze
aRarc ufiqria. male `oreraSic~ dauZaxes da daiwyo da
daiwyo...
radgan nanize vsaubrobT, ar SemiZlia ar giamboT qa-
lbatoni medeas Sesaxeb. man nanis cxovrebaSi Zalian didi
roli iTamaSa (misi koncertmaisteri gaxldaT). Tavisi
saqmis udidesi profesionalia (da es yvelasTvis cno-
bili faqtia). ganaTlebiT fizikosi, kargi yuris garda,
sxarti azrovnebiTac gamoirCeva. simReras erTi tonalo-
nani medea gongliaSvilTan erTad
bidan meoreSi ise gadaawyobda, rom
Tvalsac ar daaxamxamebda. profesi-
uli Rirsebebis garda, adamianuric
mravlad aqvs. qalbatoni medea da
nani naxevari cxovreba erTad, la-
mis erT WerqveS cxovrobdnen _ gas-
trolebze, mogzaurobisas, erT no-
merSi dabinavdebodnen xolme, drois
umetes nawils erTad atarebdnen,
nanis warmatebis uSualo monawile
medeac gaxldaT. aTasi gamocda da
gansacdeli, romelic momRerals
an, saerTodac, adamians gzaze xvde-
ba, nanim medeasTan erTad gamoiara.
cnobili faqtia, rom nanis simRe-
ris teqstebi xSirad aviwydeba. aseT
gasaWirSi medea misi suflioris
rolsac asrulebda xolme. magram,
erT mSvenier dResac gamovida nani
scenaze da gadauRiRina _ medea, me
teqsti ar maxsovs! da am dros mede-
am `meore xma misca~ _ me ki melo-
dia damaviwydao _ iqve, koncertze.
mTeli darbazi icinoda. saerTod,
nanis Zalian kargi iumoris grZnoba
aqvs da misi xumrobebis mTavari Tema
momRerlisa da koncertmaisteris
kuriozebiT savse cxovrebaa. miuxe-
davad imisa, rom uerTmaneTod ver
Zlebdnen, sul kamaTobdnen da dao-
bdnen. Zalian gansxvavebulebi iyvnen.
me TviTonac xSirad Sevswrebivar am
yvelafers. roca nanis moskovSi mi-
vyavdi xolme, maTTan erTad vcxov-
robdi. mediko Zalian uvlida Tavs,
saocrad mowesrigebuli adamiani
iyo, yvelaferi saaTebis mixedviT
hqonda dagegmili _ rodis unda eWa-
ma, rodis unda daeZina, rodis unda
gadaedo fexi fexze, nani ki sad,
rodis, ras akeTebda, aravin icoda,
amitom sul kamaTobdnen. roca maTi
`momTabare~ cxovrebis monawile mec
viyavi, vgiJdebodi ise miyvarda me-
dikos CanTis amolagebis yureba _
uyvarda patara nivTebi, agrovebda
yvelafers pataras, monusxuliviT
Sevcqerodi _ rogor amoalagebda
Cemodnidan am Tavis patar-patara ra- erT mSvenier dResac gamovida nani
meebs _ boTlebs, qvabebs, daalagebda
nomerSi, mere ki, gamgzavrebis dro scenaze da gadauRiRina _ medea, me
rom movidoda, isev akuratulad al-
agebda CanTaSi. teqsti ar maxsovs! da am dros medeam
_ qalbatoni nani, pirvel siyvar- `meore xma misca~ _ me ki melodia
ulze an axalgazrdobisdroindel
Tayvanismcemlebze Tu giambobs? damaviwydao _ mTeli darbazi icinoda.
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`orera~
nani ise iyo aRzrdili, rom Tavmdabloba Zval-rbilSi
hqonda gamjdari da mxolod axla, roca me miambobs Tavis
istoriebs, ise, sxvaTaSoris, ityvis xolme _ mgoni imas
movwondi... axlaRa aRiarebs.
_ amaze Zalian cotas saubrobs. bevri megobari biWi
hyavda. maTi tradiciulad stumriani ojaxis SvilisTvis,
es bunebrivic iyo. Tavad ambobs, rom Ramis pirvel saa-
Tze avmdgarvarT da Ramis perangebiT sufra gagviSliao.
Zalian kargi urTierToba hqonda yvelasTan, xolo is,
rom vinmes SeiZleboda moswoneboda kidec, TavSi azra-
dac ar mosdioda. ise iyo aRzrdili, rom Tavmdabloba
Zval-rbilSi hqonda gamjdari da mxolod axla, roca me
miambobs Tavis istoriebs, ise, sxvaTaSoris, ityvis xolme
_ mgoni imas movwondi... axlaRa aRiarebs. Tumca, gulis
siRrmeSi, albaT yvelafers grZnobda _ amas yvela qali
grZnobs!
_ gaTxoveba rogor gadawyvita?
_ bevrs amazec arafers miyveba. vici, rom dedis aq-
tiuri mxardaWeriT gaTxovda. merab mamalaZe simpaTiuri
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kaci da kargi ojaxis Svili iyo, amitom cabus didi roli
miuZRvis imaSi, rom nanim arCevani masze SeaCera. gaTxove-
ba zedmeti romantikisa da dramatuli gancdebis gareSe
gadawyvita. rogorc vici, ramdenime kandidaturas Soris,
is airCia, romelic cabus yvelaze metad moswonda. babua-
Cemi kargi adamiani iyo da Tavidan Zalian kargi urTier-
Tobac hqondaT. gaCnda eka. misi aRzrda bebiam _ cabum
Caibara, radgan nanis gamudmebiT koncertebi hqonda. Tu
`oreras~ gastrolebi ardadegebs daemTxveoda, Svilebic
Tan mihyavdaT. ase aqvs movlili mTeli sabWoTa kavSiri,
ixsenebs, koncerti rom damTavrdeboda, scenaze bavSvebi
avcvivdebodiT da instrumentebs daveseodiT, zogi dols
ubraxunebda, zogi mikrofons daavlebda xels, gvixaroda
did scenaze rom videqiTo.
eka musikalur aTwledSi swavlobda. imave wesebiT da
igive xalxis garemocvaSi gaizarda, romelSic _ nani. Za-
lian kargi megobrebi hyavda _ lika
qavJaraZe, qeTusia ignatova... masTan Tu `oreras~ gastrolebi ardadegebs
erTad izrdeboda irina miqataZec,
romelic nanis deidaSvilis, mari- daemTxveoda, Svilebic mihyavdaT. eka
kas Svili iyo. tolebi iyvnen, erTi
ojaxis wevrebi da did dros erTad
ixsenebs, koncerti rom damTavrdeboda,
atarebdnen, dasasvenebladac yovel
wels, aucileblad, erTad mihyavdaT.
bavSvebi instrumentebs daveseodiTo.
kikeTis ambebs deda dRemde ixsenebs.
zafxuli daiwyeboda Tu ara, sabargo
manqanaze daalagebdnen uamrav qvabs,
TefSs, kovzs, jams, taSts, tansac-
mels, TeTreuls, am yvelafers, ra
Tqma unda, gitara agvirgvinebda da
miemgzavrebodnen _ rogorc deda
ambobs xolme _ pirvelyofil piro-
bebSi dasasveneblad. wyali ezoSic
ki ar modioda, patara qoxmaxebSi
cxovrobdnen, magram dRemde im dros
Senatris. mere, mogvianebiT, nanis
wyneTSic misces agaraki, wyneTi ki,
mogexsenebaT, prestiJuli adgili
iyo _ komfortuli kotejebiT, as-
faltiani gzebiT da movlili ga-
zonebiT, magram ekas isev is `veluri~
kikeTi erCivna.
kikeTis bavSvebSi irina liderob-
da, saerTodac, aseTi xasiaTi hqonia,
sxvebze ufro mosazrebuli yofila
da zegavlenas yvelaze iolad axden-
da. Tu saxlobanas TamaSobdnen, deda
aucileblad irina unda yofiliyo,
eka ki _ Svili. radgan eka gacile-
biT maRali iyo, irinas gankargule-
biT, Cacucquli TamaSobda. kikeTSi
irina speqtaklebsac dgamda, magali-
Tad, `konkias~ (sadac eka, ra Tqma
unda, dedinacvlis Svili iyo). Tvi-
Ton warmodgenaSi ar monawileobda,
mkacri reJisoris amplua erCivna. Tu
romelime msaxiobi TvalSi ar mouvi-
doda, rolidan Seubraleblad xs-
nida da mere mSoblebi cdilobdnen
saqme CaewyoT _ irinas exvewebodnen
_ aRadgineo.
kikeTSi isvenebda xolme qeTusia
ignatovac _ misi bebia cabu miqela-
Zis megobari yofila, nani mis qal-
iSvilTan, qeTusias dedasTan, ninkas-
Tan megobrobda da mere es tradicia
ekamac gaarZela. erTi Zalian sasaci-
lo istoria SeemTxvaT. daaxloebiT
11 wlisani iyvnen, roca ukve imis
gacnobiereba daiwyes, rom es kikeTi
ki aris mwvaneSi Cafluli, sayvareli
eka imave wesebiT da igive xalxis
garemocvaSi gaizarda,
romelSic — nani
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da lamazi, magram wyneTi sul sxvaa... maSin iq ZiriTadad
samTavrobo agarakebi iyo, gaZlierebulad icavdnen da
saSvis gareSe ver moxvdebodi. miuRweveli da akrZalu-
li ki, ra Tqma unda, gizidavs. erTxel qeTusias dedas,
qalbaton ninkas, megobari, cnobili arqiteqtori, buca
jorbenaZe estumra. eka da qeTusia SeuCdnen _ gexvewe-
biT, wyneTSi wagviyvaneo. daiTanxmes, daniSnulebis adg-
ils rom miuaxlovdnen, mereRa daiwyes fiqri, wyneTSi ki
Tu saxlobanas TamaSobdnen,
deda irina unda yofiliyo,
eka ki _ Svili da, simaRlis
gamo, irinas gankargulebiT,
Cacucquli TamaSobda.
mivdivarT, magram visTan mivdivarTo? raki vinme konkre-
tulad iq ar egulebodaT, Robis iqiT gasasvleli saSvic
ar hqondaT, manqana RobesTan gaaCeres. axla imaze dai-
wyes nerviuloba, aravin gamoiaros da ar migvixvdnen, rom
SigniT ar gviSvebeno, maSin buca jorbenaZem moifiqra,
manqanis Zaras Tavi axada da viTom gafuWebulia, Cxirke-
delaoba daiwyo. bolos viRac madlianma nacnobma marT-
lac gamoiara da wyneTis `olimpze~ ekasTvis da qeTusi-
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irina miqataZe da eka
asTvis saSvi daaSvebina.
mogvianebiT musikalur aTwledSi lika qavJaraZe gaic-
no, ise damegobrdnen, rom erTmaneTis gareSe fexs ar
adgamden _ yovelTvis erTad moixseniebdnen _ eka-lika...
Tavisi ritualic hqoniaT _ aTarbegovidan rusTavelze
wamovidodnen, mere aucileblad Seivlidnen laRiZeSi, Sem-
deg ki isev Tavisi dadgenili marSrutiT gaagrZelebdnen
_ jer lika Cajdeboda troleibusSi, mere eka midioda
Sin. swored im periodSi daiwyes likas filmebSi gadaRe-
ba, eka gadaRebebzec xSirad axlda xolme megobars, `nat-
vris xeSi~ masobriv scenaSi monawileobs kidec.
mogvianebiT ekac, iseve rogorc Tavis droze nani,
colad cabus mier mowonebul kacs, gogi sayvareliZes
anu gogikosa da levanikos mamas gahyva. samwuxarod, ekas
pirveli meuRle daiRupa.
rac Seexeba nanis pirvel da erTaderT qorwinebas...
misi sagastrolo reJimisa da ojaxuri Tanacxovrebis
Sewyoba SeuZlebeli aRmoCnda. qmarTan urTierToba nel-
nela daeZaba, bolos erTmaneTs daSordnen kidec. babuam
mogvianebiT colic SeirTo, ekas naxevarZmac hyavs _
daTo hqvia. ise, sityva `naxevarZma~ Zalian ar miyvars, me
verasodes vuwodeb gogikos da levanikos `naxevarZmebs~.
CemTvis maTze axlobeli adamiani cotaa. ekasac Zalian
uyvars, giJdeba Tavis Zmaze, amas winaT saqmeze mivdiodiT
da mis saxls CavuareT, Zalian Tbilad gavixseneT. babua
erTxel myavs nanaxi, patara rom viyavi, masTan ekam mimi-
yvana. Tumca vici, rom bolos, roca me davibade, nanis da
merabs kargi urTierToba hqondaT. ukve didi dro iyo
gasuli... eka albaT 11-12 wlis iyo, roca mSoblebi daS-
ordnen. imitom damamaxsovrda, rom mec zustad misi Tana-
toli viyavi, dedam da mamam daSoreba rom gadawyvites.
_ rogor miiRe maTi ganqorwinebis ambavi?
_ umSvidesad. arc davkompleqsebulvar da arc gan-
sakuTrebuli protesti mqonia. orivesi kargad mesmoda,
Cemi TvaliTac vxedavdi, rom erTad cxovreba uWirdaT
da konfliqti konfliqtze mosdiodaT. mivxvdi, rom cal-
calke ufro komfortulad igrZnobdnen Tavs, amitom Za-
lian normalurad miviRe da gagebiT movekide maT gadaw-
yvetilebas.
_ xasiaTiT vis gavxar?
_ ase gadaWriT ver vityvi. magaliTad, nani yoveldRe
erTsa da imaves mimeorebs _ `ra jiuti xar! saSinlad
jiuti! ra eSveleba Sens qmars da, saerTod, yvelas, vinc
Sens garSemo iqneba, vis gavxar aseTi?!~ me ki mSvidad vpa-
suxob `vis da Sen!~ sxvaTa Soris, sijiuteSi Turme arc
eka Camouvardeboda nanis. mamaCemi miyveboda, rogorc
ki rameze vetyodi Zalian gixdebao, maSinve gamoicvlida
xolmeo. erTi sityviT, sijiute CemSi yoveli mxridan zis.
magram am sakiTxs ufro Tu CavuRrmavdebiT, vfiqrob, rom
sijiute ufro mamis mxridan maqvs, dedis mxares mainc
ufro rbili xasiaTi aqvT.
saerTod, didad arafers miSlidnen, ar viyavi mainc-
damainc Znelad aRsazrdeli bavSvi da meore bebiasTan
SedarebiT, arc nani iyo mkacri. mamaCemis deda, lamara
margvelaSvili gaxlavT, moferebiT tatus veZaxiT. ase
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mamam daarqva. Zalian saintereso da sakmaod rTuli
cxovreba aqvs gavlili da SedarebiT mkacri albaT ami-
tomac aris. mama ocdaCvidmetSi dauxvrites, darCnen
deda, tatu da misi umcrosi da-Zma. erTad didi gaWirveba
gamoiares. dedas Zalian exmareboda, umcrosebi naxevrad
misi gazrdilebi arian. uyvars Tavisi istoriis moyola
da mec siamovnebiT vusmen xolme, warmovidgen, rogor
iyo yvelaferi. babuaCemi, vaxtang quTaTelaZe, quTaise-
Tu saqme me mexeboda,
gadamwyveti xma mamidaCems,
marikas ekuTvnoda da es
dRemde asea.
lia, qorwinebis Semdeg ramdenime weli quTaisSi cxov-
robdnen, magram tatulia risi tatulia iyo, iq didxans
gaCerebuliyo. TbilisSi Camosvlis Semdeg, bebia babuas
yvelanairad mxarSi daudga, mas disertacia rom daecva.
profesiiT xelovnebaTmcodne iyo, magram disertacia
filosofiaSi aqvs daculi. sxvaTa Soris, bebias azriT,
me musikaluri monacemebi babuasgan maqvs. Zalian kargad
mReroda Turme, mis mamas ki Saliapinsac adarebdnen. me
ar momismenia, magram imdeni adamiani meubneba amas, Seu-
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natalia da marika quTaTelaZeebi gran-priT damajildoves. yurebs ar vujerebdi. maxsovs, sxvadasxva konkursebSi da festivalebSi monawileoba
rogor gamoacxades mesame da meore adgili da, im dros, manamdec miwevda, kargad maxsovs spivakovis saxelobis
rodesac me ukve darbazidan gasvla gadavwyite, Jiuris festivali. saRamoebi zurab wereTlis galereaSi imarTe-
erT-erTma wevrma Tqva _ pirveli adgili orad gavyaviT boda. saqarTvelodan ramdenime vmonawileobdiT, maT So-
Zlebelia yvela cdebodes. mamaCemic giJdeba jazze, Za-
da visac meti qula aqvs dagrovili, gra-npri imas gadae- ris: me, Tika jamburia, mariam roiniSvili da daTuna ala-
lian kargad mReris da ukravs, Tumca profesiiT biolo-
cemao. aseTi ki me aRmovCndi. Zalian moulodneli iyo daSvili. daTunam Semdeg did warmatebas miaRwia, dRes
gia. mokled, tatulias azriT, yvelaferi saukeTeso mamis
CemTvis, SokSi kinaRam Cavvardi. juliardSi swavlobs. Zalian vmegobrobT. me da daTunam
mxridan maqvs, maT Soris, vokaluri monacemebic. mamida-
Cemi exumreba xolme _ bregvaZeebsac dautove rameo.
tatulia Tavidanve Zalian energiuli da Seupovari
qali iyo, rogorc ityvian, namdvili tanki. xumrobiT ax- merve klasSi viyavi, roca me da Cemi megobari Sataloze
lac gvayvedris xolme, roca mamaCemi, mamidaCemi an me ra-
Racas ise ver gavakeTebT, rogorc Cafiqrebuli gvqonda pirvelad wavediT da iciT ra moxda?! sanam skolidan Sin
_ arc ki grcxveniaT, me TbilisSi mxolod erTi CemodniT
da erTi bavSviT Camovedi da amdens mivaRwie, Tqven raRa mivedi, quCaSi vinc mxvdeboda, yvela meubneboda, droze
gemarTebaTo. ormocdaaTi wlis win daniSnes direqtorad
da mas mere marTavs skolas _ amjerad, ukve sakuTars,
dabrundi, skolaSi bebiaSeni geZebso.
romelsac tatulias skolas eZaxian, ise ki, 21-e saukune
hqvia.
bebiaCemi direqtori iyo skolaSic da saxlSic. musi- bebiasTan - lamara margvelaSvilTan erTad
kasTan erTad, da tatulias gadawyvetilebiT, inglisuri
enis Seswavlac damawyebines, Tumca saamisod maSin Zalian
patara viyavi, TviTonve mitarebda gakveTilebs. erTi am-
bavi gvqonda xolme, yoveli mecadineoba CxubiT mTavrde-
boda. bebia gadadioda Cemi zogadi ganaTlebis gaRrmave-
baze, rasac me medgrad vewinaaRmdegebodi. Tumca, bevri
veraferi gamdioda.
skolaSic, raRa Tqma unda, bebiasTan Semiyvanes. miuxe-
davad imisa, rom tatulia direqtori iyo, pirvel dRes
mainc ucxo momeCvena skola, bavSvebi, garemo. Zalian pa-
tarad da umweod vigrZeni Tavi. maxsovs, viRac bavSvi
tiroda, erTi sityviT, didad sasamovno dRe namdvilad
ar iyo. mere yvelaferi Cveulebrivad wavida, rogorc
xdeba xolme, Tumca bebia me mainc yvelaze mets mTxov-
da. marto swavlaze ar aris saubari, yofaqcevasac sul
mikontrolebda. merve klasSi viyavi, roca me da Cemi me-
gobari Sataloze pirvelad wavediT, Cemi dabadebis dRe
aRvniSneT ase da iciT ra moxda?! sanam skolidan Sin mi-
vedi, quCaSi vinc mxvdeboda, yvela meubneboda, droze
dabrundi, skolaSi bebiaSeni geZebso.
dRes vxvdebi, albaT rac var da, saerTod, Tuki rame
gamigia, didwilad misi damsaxurebaa, ara marto swavlis
mxriv, misgan cxovrebiseul sakiTxebSic bevri ramis
swavla SeiZleba. amitom Zalian madlobeli var bebiasi.
ise ki, Cemi aRzrda yvelas Tanabrad hqonda gadan-
awilebuli, erTaderTi, visi rolic aucileblad unda
gamovyo, es aris mamidaCemi _ marika. yovelTvis ase iyo
_ Tu raime mniSvnelovani gadawyvetileba unda migveRo,
ojaxis yvela wevri davsxdebodiT da vmsjelobdiT, Tu
saqme me mexeboda, gadamwyveti xma marikas ekuTvnoda da
es dRemde asea. man gadamawyvetina 2007 wels Cems cxovre-
baSi erT-erT yvelaze seriozul da sapasuxismgeblo
konkursSi mimeRo monawileoba. rogorc ukve giTxariT,
me ufro pianistad mzrdidnen, vidre momRerlad. mox-
da ise, rom mamidaCemis daJinebuli moTxovniT romSi,
pianistTa saerTaSoriso konkursze gavemgzavre. Jiuris
enio morikone Tavmjdomareobda. Zalian rTuli konkursi
iyo, ar megona, rom raime warmatebas mivaRwevdi, amitom
italiaSi Cems maSindel Casvlas `romaul ardadegebs~ nam-
dvilad ver davarqmev. sakmaod daZabuli dReebi gaviare.
magram moxda ise, rom am uZveles da ulamazes qalaqSi
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cincaZis nawarmoebebi SevasruleT, romelsac aranJireba
nika memaniSvilma gaukeTa.
_ rogorc pianisti, seriozul warmatebebs aRwevdi da
vokalistis profesia ratom airCie?
_ sxvaTa Soris, ekasac, iseve rogorc nanis, konser-
vatoria safortepiano ganxriT aqvs damTavrebuli. nani
Cems WkuaSi ioli gamosavali
vipove, safortepianos
vokaluri varCie. dReSi 10
saaTi pianinosTan jdomaze
gafiqrebac ki mzaravda.
ambobda kidec _ warmodgena ar mqonda, ras niSnavs pro-
fesia momRerali, me sul vmRerodi saxlSi, quCaSi, samza-
reuloSio. fiqrobdnen, rom mec safortepianoze Cavaba-
rebdi, magram uari ganvacxade, vokali avirCie. saqme isaa,
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patara rom viyavi, baletze Semiyvanes, suxiSvilebis
studiaSic davdiodi, Tumca male mivxvdi, rom cekva
Cemi saqme ar aris, magram, ise ki, Zalian miyvars.
wveulebebze pirveli `aqtivistka~ var.
rom simRera CemTvis nanisTan da ekasTan erTad scenaze
dgomasTan asocirdeboda _ am dros sruliad ar vnervi-
ulobdi. an raze unda menerviula, aseTi `zurgi~ mqonda.
erTi sityviT, Cems WkuaSi ioli gamosavali vipove da
safortepiano ganxras vokaluri varCie. rasac axla vity-
interneti
ufaso 24 saaTiani
vi, namdvilad ar moewoneba Cems pedagogs, manana baraTaS-
vils, romelmac Zalian bevri ram maswavla da, saerTod,
sabanko momsaxureba
musika Semayvara, magram dReSi 10 saaTis ganmavlobaSi pia-
ninosTan jdomaze da mecadineobaze gafiqrebac ki mzara-
vda.
bolo-bolo, radgan ver gadamaTqmevines, gadawyda _
CemTvis vokalSi kargi pedagogi moeZebnaT. ekas dodo di-
ur i g ad as ax ad eb is g ad ax d a
asamiZe urCies, romelsac manamdec icnobda da did pa-
tivs scemda. swored qalbatoni dodo gaxda is adamiani,
romelmac me SeiZleba iTqvas `pirvelad amomaRebina xma~
komunal
anu simReris kulturas maziara, rac, Cemi azriT, yvela
momRerals unda hqondes. iluzia, rom vokalis ganxriT
wasvla ioli gamosavali iyo, Zalian male gamiqra. mi-
vxvdi, rom jer Zalian bevri ram mqonda saswavli, miT
umetes, saqme ukve klasikur musikas exeboda. erT weli-
wadSi konservatoriaSi Cavabare, es Zalian mcire droa. me
da qalbatonma dodom erTad warmoudgenlad rTuli gza
gaviareT. axla rom vfiqrob, pedagogs damwyebi momRerl-
uniqardi
isTvis gadamwyveti mniSvneloba aqvs. aucileblad gWird-
eba gverdiT adamiani, romelic Sens ganviTarebas sworad
warmarTavs. man damanaxa, rom simReraSi Zalian didi mniS-
vneloba aqvs warmosaxvas. magaliTad, roca maRal bgeras
afTiaqi
iReb, unda warmoidgino, rom dabla midixar da Sedegi
maSinve saxezea. qalbatoni dodosgan dRemde Zalian bevr
rames vswavlob, masTan yoveli misvla, CemTvis raRac ax-
lis gagebas niSnavs.
axla ukve vici, ra aris momRerlis profesia, magram
kafe
nani mainc xSirad msayvedurobs, arasworad cxovrob, sa-
nam reJimis aucileblobas ar aRiareb, arc maRali Sedegi
iqnebao! Tu amis gakeTeba ar ginda, ras dagvtanje xalxi,
gadadi saestradoze da mere, rac ginda, is qenio! marT-
lac sportsmeniviT unda gaufrTxilde Tavs, droze da-
iZino, sworad ikvebo, mokled, Zalian Znelia.
_ misaRebma gamocdebma rogor Caiara?
_ saerTod, Zalian emociuri var. roca vnerviulob,
Zalian bevrs vlaparakob. gamocdebzec ase iyo. meubne-
bodnen _ gaCumdi, nu laparakob amdens _ simReris win
emociuri laparaki iogebs Zabavs. arada ra meqna, lo-
dins ver vitan. axlac sanam scenaze gaval, vlaparakob
da vlaparakob, imis magivrad, rom gavCumde da Zalebis
koncentracia movaxdino.
gamocdebs qarTuli klasikuri musikis mTeli elita:
nodar andRulaZe, qalbatoni medea amiranaSvili, eldar
gewaZe, Temur muSkudiani, reqtori manana doijaSvili,
eswreboda. Teatraluridanac iyo mowveuli pedagogi,
sxvadasxva etiudebs vasaxierebdiT, samsaxiobo ostato-
baSi gvamowmebda. me aseTi davaleba momca _ Sinidan gas- aRmaSeneblis xeivani, me-13 kilometri
vla Zalian magviandeboda, me ki unda gavpranWuliyavi.
(visolis avtogasamarT sadgurTan)
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nanisTvis musikaze mniSvnelovani araferia
sxvaTa Soris, ekasac, iseve rogorc nanis, konservatoria
safortepiano ganxriT aqvs damTavrebuli. nani ambobda
kidec _ warmodgena ar mqonda, ras niSnavs profesia
momRerali, me sul vmRerodi saxlSi, quCaSi, samzareuloSio.
wamovwie roialis piupitri, viTom sarke iyo da faci-
fuciT movede iqaurobas. maSin, bunebrivia, vRelavdi
da es Zalian damexmara facifucisa da siCqaris efeqtis
SeqmnaSi. rac Seexeba vokals, qalbatoni dodo ambobda,
kidev erTi weli davicadoT da mere SevitanoT sabuTe-
bio, magram ar davujere. abiturientebs Soris yvelaze
umcrosi viyavi, Cemze bevrad ufrosebi meored da mesa-
med abarebdnen. programiT gaTvaliswinebuli sami aria
Sevasrule da, marTalia, procentulad yvelaze dabali,
magram gamsvleli qula miviRe. axla rom vufiqrdebi, Cemi
SesaZleblobebis maqsimumi gavakeTe. darwmunebuli var,
Zalian bevri fiqrobs _ nanis SviliSvils gareT vin da-
tovebdao, magram, damijereT, pirveli turi ise gaviare,
aravin icoda vin viyavi.
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maincdamainc, ar momwons, rodesac es valdebulebaSi ga- miyvars italiuri samzareulo.
dadis. me da Cems megobrebs erTxelac usaqmuroba yelSi saocrad aqtiuri adamiani var. erT adgilas verasodes
amogvivida da gadavwyviteT yovel kviraSi Cvengan erT- vCerdebodi, patara rom viyavi, baletze Semiyvanes, mere
erTs Sin sadili moemzadebinda da yvelani davepatiJe- suxiSvilebis studiaSic davdiodi, Tumca male mivxvdi,
ukve vici, ra aris momRerlis profesia, magram nani mainc
msayvedurobs, arasworad cxovrob, Tu amis gakeTeba ar ginda,
ras dagvtanje xalxi, gadadi saestradoze da rac ginda, is
qenio! marTlac sportsmeniviT unda gaufrTxilde Tavs.
bineT. ra Tqma unda, erTi-orjer gaakeTes da yvelas mo- rom cekva Cemi saqme ar aris, magram ise ki Zalian mi-
bezrda. me ki dResac vakeTeb xolme sadilebs da yvelas yvars. wveulebebze pirveli `aqtivistka~ var. vgiJdebi
vepatiJebi. xandaxan, TviTonac vigoneb receptebs. Zalian dabadebis dReebze. erTxel, gadavwyvite, Cemi dabadebis
es gza CemTvis gamzadebuli rom ar daexvedrebinaT, mainc mas avirCevdi.
daTo aladaSvili da natalia quTaTelaZe spivakovis festivalze
rodesac gavige, rom vokalis turi gaviare, gaxarebuli
gamovvardi da qalbatoni dodo movZebne. maxsovs, vtiro-
di kidec. mere, Cems koncertmaisterTan erTad CvenTan
saxlSi wamovida. davsxediT da ganvixileT yvelaferi _
ra da rogor iyo. dasvenebis droc ar mqonda, turebs
Teoriuli sagnebi da erovnuli gamocdebi mohyva. ase
gavxdi konservatoriis studenti.
_ Tavisufal dros visTan da rogor atareb?
_ uamravi megobari myavs _ biWebic da gogonebic,
bavSvobidan erTad vizrdebiT da erTmaneTTan yofnas
araferi gvirCevnia. CemTvis garTobis mTavari komponen-
ti sicilia.
Zalian miyvars gemrieli kerZebis momzadeba, magram,
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CemTvis jer adrea `bregvaZeebSi qeifi~

CavTvale, rom Cemi megobari biWebi da gogonebi ukve didebi

arian da qarTul sufraze davpatiJe. rogorc ki sasmeli
gasinjes, yvela wamoiSala. maSin piroba davde, sanam 40 wlis
ar gavxdebi, Sin dabadebis dRes aRar gadavixdi-meTqi.
dRe Zveleburad aRmeniSna, ise, rogorc bregvaZeebSi
da miqelaZeebSi qeifobdnen adre _ nanis bavSvobisas, an
mere, nani da eka rom plexanovze cxovrobdnen, jansuR
kaxiZis mezoblad. warmogidgeniaT, rogori iyo maTTan
qeifi? sufrasTan legendebi isxdnen. sul imaze mwydeba
guli, rom im dros me dabadebuli ar viyavi. erTi sity-
viT, CavTvale, rom Cemi megobari biWebi da gogonebi ukve
sakmaod didebi arian da qarTul tradiciul sufraze
davpatiJe. araferi gamomivida. rogorc ki miirTves da
sasmeli gasinjes, maSinve yvela wamoiSala, is iqiT gavida,
es aqeT gamovida. verafriT movuyare Tavi da, maxsovs,
maSin sakuTar TavTan piroba davde, sanam 40 wlis ar gavx-
debi, saxlSi dabadebis dRes aRar gadavixdi-meTqi. CemT-
vis albaT jer adrea `bregvaZeebSi qeifi~.
nino dadvani

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