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Author:angelo10
I got interested in electronics and mechanics when i was 4 year old.
And started soldering circuits (kits) at 7 years old.
And improved soldering at 9 years old without any kit only followng circuit diagrams.
And started making original circuits and schematics at 12 years old.
In this Instructable I will show you how to make a simple, cheap and effective HHO torch that can melt small pieces of metals like tin cans. This can be used in various
applications it can be connected into your fire torch or in your car which is also known as the HHO Hybrid Generator which can reduce your fuel consumption although I
don’t have a car I am still a 12 years old boy.
Definition:
A lot of people are asking what and how does a HHO Torch/Generator works. It is simple a HHO torch/Generator separates water molecules into gas, now you will have
a mixture of Oxygen and Hydrogen gas which can give a powerful kick or flame.
Use:
- You can connect this in a fire torch pin which I will show you how to make.
- You can use this for your car to reduce fuel consumption. But this will not be mentioned for this Instructable, it would be better of you Google it.
- You can use this to weld o melt thin metals
Warning: It is not my responsibility if any of you gets injured or burned so don't blame me for your mistake. Luckily I made some safety features which are already tested
and prevents some common problems with HHO converter like explosions and implosions which creates cracks or even explosions. Hydrogen are highly explosive
especially of you mix it with Oxygen. Batteries not included.
Be sure to rate this a 5 star. This instructions are very rare and hard to find.
Image Notes
1. Fire Torch Pin.
2. Old 12 Volts battery.
3. Air tight container.
4. Bubbler Jar.
5. Salt Supply.
Step 1: Materials
You Will Need:
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Step 2: Cutting The Metal Sheet x12
Cut the metal sheets into 12 pieces. The measure should be a 2x4 inch rectangular sheet. Then cut a line above leaving a small metal for the wire to be connected.
Image Notes
1. Leave a small metal
2. Cut
3. 2x4 inch Measure
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Image Notes
1. Metal Plates
2. Styrofoam
3. Use Magnet/Copper Wire to connect the terminals
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1. Seal The Hole With Hot Glue
2. HHO Converter Plates
3. Seal the two wires with a electrical tape.
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Image Notes
1. Tube Connector
Safety Feature: The cling wrap serves as a safety cap. Most bubblers explodes when implosion occurs. This prevents this from exploding.
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Image Notes
1. Inflation Pin
2. Tube Connector
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Comments
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Compared to a normal torch how would the flame be, in terms of heat and gas flow?
At most, water discoloration will consist of some graphite powder. Plus, you can get graphite rods from pencils by singing them with a cigarette ligter, then
pulling them part at the seam with a pair of nedle-nosed pliers.
Oh, and I heard that baking soda is also a good non-gas producing electrolyte. Don't know about this epsom salt. I'd rather leave that in the bathtub.
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For limiting the current going to the water, you can use a constant current power supply.
See:
http://www.meetup.com/robotics-71/messages/boards/thread/10304072/post/39393128/?hash=39393128#initialized
Overall, this is an interesting instructable. I have always wondered if electrolysis could be done fast enough to sustain a flame. I wonder about electrolysis
efficiency versus straight welding efficiency.....
Yes it should be. I wonder whether butane was used for illustrative purposes?
A setup like this won't get a 1/4 inch flame-a professional unit will barely get a one inch flame that is only visible because the gas is bubbled threw
alcohol so there is some visibility in the flame. The inflation needle is WAY to big-it should be a hypodermic needle (or even a crushed down
inflation needle-the only way I could keep a flame on a similar low volume rig).
SO, I started thinking about getting a "big boy version" of my homemade proof-of-concept.
Further research showed that most commercial units are pumping over 3A12V into the electrolyte. After measuring, I was putting a mere
1.2A5.5V in under load. Helps explain why it can't supply larger torch tips.
So, sadly, I have decided to just get a hydrogen tank for my oxy-acetylene setup. That way I can get my big flame through turning a regulator,
rather than through semi-dangerous engineering.
To jtobako The flame DOES have a color, even when bubbled through pure water. The alcohol isn't to add color. It is part of the in-gas flux.
Methanol and boric acid flux mixture is used with silver and gold, to help clean the heating metal. When working Platinum, there is still a
visible flame, though barely visible in normal light. it is a very light blue.
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ironsmiter says: Oct 14, 2010. 8:03 AM REPLY
My rig, puts out around a 1/8th inch flame... using a needle from an old sewing machine oil applicator(the plastic tube cracked so it was re-
purpose or recycle).
I suppos ethat is like a medium hypodermic needle... but not sharp :-)
Depending on which metal you use for your electrodes... but follow these instructions, and it will turn a nice sludgy grey color.
Almost any salt will work, though Epsom salts are commonly used because of low cost and availability. Even Common table salt will work, but the
possibility of releasing chlorine gas(due to salt breakdown) is the main reason I avoid THAT. On a small scale, not a problem, but when you start using a
higher capacity flame, on a regular basis, well lets just say I'd rather avoid the issue.
The OP DIDN'T forget about opposite charge. that's why the plate design is the way it is. Step 8 fairly clearly shows one wire hoked upto + and the other
hooked to -. ;-) Sure, it COULD have been clearer, but Give them some slack.
Do take note though, in step 4, where they say to seal the wires with electrical tape.... if you look at the "in action" shot of the assembled device, the
water level is below the taped wires! Play it smart, and use heat shrink tubing, or some other waterproof method. odds are pretty good that you'll want the
plates completely submerged. I actually re-fill mine when the water level drops within an inch of the plate assembly...
At low power it just electrolizes, at high power (say an unregulated high amp battery) it's going to boil the water as well. The cheep hot vaporizers just
stick two electrodes into some water to create steam-the only difference is that the AC doesn't allow (much) gas to form.
The plate design is likely pulled from another web site, but HOW they are hooked together isn't mentioned, and not clearly shown. Critical info if you
don't want to just short the battery : )
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jtobako says: Oct 27, 2010. 5:31 AM REPLY
What power source are you using and how much current is your cell drawing?
I'd guess, educated but still a guess, that I'm cranking about 7 to 10 Amps, based on the battery ratings, and wiring.
Just a guess though. I'm not sure my cheap old radioshack special meter would handle the measuring without melting.
Have you thought of putting the batteries in parallel rather than series?
Not sure what effect that would have. probably more heat, so I'd get both gasses plus steam...
Perhapse one day, if I find myself with nothing better to do, I'll swap around the battey connectors and see what
happens.
It's a moot point. With the 6 volt battery setup, the only way i would be running 3 volt is with a
2:1 transformer. Loss in changing voltages would, I'm pretty sure, more than eat up any gain
from running at 3 volt.
On the other hand, I just got myself a large batch of slightly used laptop batteries.
I'm thinking about seeing what 100+Amps of 4.2-3.2 voltage might do to my setup. If the rig
doesn't blow up, the batteries might. Should be fun!
Sadly, it just doesn't get used, ever since I got some tiny oxy/acetylene tips for my big torch. The
versatility makes this my go-to flame source. the only time I MAY go back to the oxy/hyd setup is
if i end up working platinum... where zero-carbon is a requirement.
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Puff says: Jan 10, 2011. 4:37 PM REPLY
just a word of warning here: be careful about using salts to increase the conductivity of the water. I learned this the hard way last year when I accidentally
made chlorine gas on my kitchen counter. We were about to learn about electrolysis in my honors chemistry class (which is all you are doing here. the
device functions by splitting the hydrogen and oxygen in water with a DC current and an electrode. The electrodes are being oxidized at one end and
reduced at the other and will corrode over time.) so i decided to do my own experiment at home with some water, table salt, and a DC converter i had to
obtain pure hydrogen and pure oxygen. To increase the conductivity i added the table salt to the water but i was unsatisfied with the amount of pure oxygen
created so i heated the water to increase the solubility of the salt. By concentrating the salt solution i inadvertently changed the chemical reaction that was
occurring. Instead of producing hydrogen and oxygen gas the reaction was splitting the salt as well to produce sodium hydroxide, hydrogen gas, and chlorine
gas at the electrodes. I noticed the yellow gas bubbling out and immediately pulled the plug. Beware of what side reactions you could possibly cause by
adding a salt to the water in the reaction.
So to start with, WAY CONGRATS! Incredible forethought on your part. you get a good vote from me :-) Can't tell you how many gas generator/torch designs
I've seen with NO flash suppressor(bubble jar). An added bonus is, by measuring the bubble size, and rate, you can determine sustained gas flow rates!
Now, to the normal HHO garbage, (mis)information, etc...... Most fuel efficiency improvements are resulting from the gas mixture causing the engine to run
leaner.
As to the loss of FE due to it running off the car battery... Angelo10 uses a separate SLA for his rig. The only effect on fuel mileage it would have(if charged
outside the car or via solar cell) would be an extra few pounds cargo weight.
An extra level of safety can be added, by installing a bit of fine metal screen between the tubing, and needle. See here for a wonderful little experiment
dealing with the flame and screens :-)
This is a nice project; pity he chose to Photoshop a fake flame rather than showing actual operation.
The "fuel consumption" stuff is a scam, but you won't have taken enough science courses yet to know that. This is a good opportunity to learn how to think
about things quantitatively.
First, the energy density of hydrogen less than 1% that of gasoline, so even if you carried a tank of hydrogen and injected it into your engine, it wouldn't
make any noticeable difference. You'll get better fuel economy by paying attention to starting and stopping, than by "magical" devices.
Second, suppose that you used the car's engine (battery or alternator) to run the HHO generator. The power that is being diverted to the HHO generator is
not being used to move the car, so that corresponds to a drop in fuel economy. The process of electrolysis isn't 100% efficient (it can't be), some of the
power that goes to the generator turns into waste heat, for example. So when you burn the hydrogen, you won't get back all of the energy you used to create
it in the first place. You certainly can't get more, but in reality you won't even break even. That's another drop in fuel economy.
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