Roger Haeske Interviews Dr. Jennifer Daniels Regarding...

"The Medical Mafia Conspiracy and The Candida Cleaner"

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"The Medical Mafia Conspiracy and The Candida Cleaner"

RH: Hello, this is Roger Haeske, the 42-year-old teenager. And I have a fantastic interview for you today with Dr. Jennifer Daniels. Dr. Daniels is a former medical doctor and unfortunately to the health of the world, her medical license was suspended then surrendered Im not sure of the proper terminology basically because, I think, she wasnt following their instructions of the medical establishment. She wasnt maybe not using enough drugs and maybe too many people were getting well without using their methods. So anyway, were going to get into that, but what were talking about here today also is how she discovered a very unique treatment that probably almost no one has heard of in this modern world of dealing with Candida. And this treatment actually works for many other things, as well, but what were going to go into specifically today is how she handles it with patients who have Candida. And so were going to get a lot of information about her, her background, and also about how the medical establishment works and why theres problems, danger sort of built into the whole system. When I was talking with Dr. Daniels, to me some of this information was just shocking and maddening. I already know a lot of this stuff. But having insider information from a doctor who is aware of what has happened to her at the time, she wasnt aware of all the things that were going on to her. So when you find out what shes talking about, its just going to blow your mind. Now, just so you know, Dr. Daniels was as a doctor - very highly sought after because she actually healed her patients. Many of these afflictions - at the time- were not even acknowledged by the Medical establishment. It was believed that these things did not even exist at the time; things like Candida. Dr. Daniels had patients actually flying to her from New York City, Florida, Canada, California, even Europe. And they were going there because that was the only place they could go to actually get cured and healed, assuming of course that they followed her instructions. So anyway, without further ado, I want to introduce you to the very unique and special, an angel, as many of her patients call her. Shes very smart. By the way, she studied at Harvard, at Penn, and also at Wharton School of Business, where she got an MBA, a Masters of Business Administration. So not only is she an MD, shes also an MBA. So we have a very smart woman here, and she just has an incredible, shocking, and hopefully positive story in the end, to share with you today. So hello and welcome, Dr. Daniels. JD: Great. Thank you. Its great to be here. RH: Im so glad youre here. So why dont we start off with getting to know a little bit about yourself, about how you sort of got into the medical profession you know, were you a good student, things like that. And were going to hear well, anyway, theres going to be a lot of interesting stuff. So why dont we get started with that? JD: Well, I was very ambitious, and in high school I did very well, great grades, top of my class. It won me a National Merit Scholarship to college. I decided to go to Harvard because Harvard had a very high admission rate into medical school. So over 96% of the people from Harvard who applied to medical school actually got accepted, so I went to Harvard. But a premedical curriculum is pretty much the same everywhere.

The important thing about the premedical curriculum is its designed to require the student to put in so much effort and so much time that they have to consume their holidays, their weekends, studying and they literally become isolated from their own families and from friends. And this is because they have to put great effort into their academic studies. Now, its not because the material is so complex, because it isnt. For example, in Harvard, theres a course called Organic Chemistry. In Organic Chemistry, they give a test every single month, you get a test, which is reasonable, and in between you have homework assignments. However, they will only give you the answers to your homework assignment a week before the test, so you only had one week to review and practice materials that they took a whole month to teach you. And this meant that for one week out of every month, you had to put all other matters aside. Multiply this by 4, a reasonable course load and you have an isolated individual. And so by requiring students to get a certain grade point average undergraduate, and then submitting them to this type of process, you select the students who have been socially isolated and have even removed themselves from the community that has nurtured them. And this is a very important part of being a doctor. If the student hasnt done that, then in order to get those grades, the student would have to accept other peoples works and present it as his own work or get the answers in advance, or whatever. So youre selecting for people who are isolated from the community or people who have integrity issues. And this is really the true process of admitting people to medical school. They select the people who had a high level of conformity and obedience, and this is absolutely critical. RH: Very interesting. JD: Its a very effective conditioning program. But then I continued on to medical school. I went to medical school because I wanted to help people get better. I was very concerned about that. I didnt realize this conditioning process until I actually was on the medical school admissions committee, and I realized that we were not, by any means, getting the brightest or the best of anything. And it really was actually disturbing, being on the medical school admissions committee. However, a very, very important part of going to medical school is that its very, very expensive. So, when I was talking to my classmates about, Gee, you know, this is very exciting, Ill have a chance to learn how to cure people. And they were talking about what specialty to go into so theyd be able to pay off all this debt. All because the medical school experience is so expensive. Its designed to put the doctors in golden handcuffs. Yes, they earn a fair amount of money when they get out, but they have an incredible amount of debt. This re-focuses the attention of a lot of medical students not on the patient, not even the outcome of their therapies, but the debt itself. RH: Wow, thats incredible go ahead. JD: If a student decides to drop out of medical school, this does not in any way satisfy their debt. Many students who might decide maybe halfway through or after the first year that this was not really what they thought it was, are under a lot of pressure to continue and to graduate because this might be the only way of paying off that debt. One thing that happened in medical school pretty early on, like the first or maybe the second or the third year, you begin to get faced with serious moral issues. And for me, it happened very early on. At the end of my freshman year, my first year of medical school, I decided I wanted to do some research. So I asked around and they said, Oh, you know, go talk to this doctor. Hes always doing research. So I go and I talk to him, and at the time I had a National Health Service Corps Scholarship to medical school, which meant I didnt have to pay anything, I didnt take out any loans, I didnt have any debt. So I really wasnt concerned about the price of medical school. And so he said to me, Well, why dont you sign this form here saying that youre not receiving any other federal grants and I can get you a few extra dollars for doing the research?

And of course, this would be dishonest because I was receiving this national scholarship to go work in an underserved area when I graduated. So I said to him, Im not going to sign this because I am receiving money. But you know what, Ill do the research because Im interested in it. I dont need to earn any money in the research. He said, Oh, okay. Well, how about academic credit? I said, Oh, yes, thatll be good. I need academic credit to help me graduate. And so I did the research, completed the research, really spent incredible hours, about 1,000 hours doing this research. And then, I presented my results, and he said, Well, you know what? I dont like those results. I want you to change all the numbers. I want you to falsify the research outcome. So I said, No, Im not going to do that. And he said, Well, then Im not going to give you any academic credit for the research that youve done. Of course, I thought that I was being mistreated and this was outrageous. So I went to the Dean of Students to complain, as any reasonable person would do. And the Dean of Students said, Oh, you mustve misunderstood him. I said, Well, you talk to him. So he went and talked to the Professor, and sure enough, the Professor repeated the same story to the Dean. So the Dean came back to me and said, You know what? He runs his course and he gets to set his academic standards as he wishes. And if he wants you to falsify the data, then thats what you have to do if you want academic credit. RH: Wow, thats shocking. JD: Well, even more shocking is what happened after that. The Dean said, Ill talk to him again and see if I can negotiate something for you. I said, Okay. So the Dean negotiated a deal that if I put another semester of work into the research project, I would get credit for the work Id already done, not for the work I was going to do. Now I had choices. One, I could start legal action to complain about being treated unfairly. I could drop out of medical school, totally disillusioned. Either one of those two things wouldve taken me out of the running. I would have never become a doctor. And the process basically weeds out people who dont have a high tolerance for dishonestly all around them. RH: Wow. JD: And so the process, step by step by step, leads you to tolerate dishonesty. So, I said, Well, I can see that I have to find another way to get out of medical school. And so what I did was I just let go of this, said, Hey, you know what? Im just going to walk away from this. Im going to take extra courses during vacation tmes and go ahead and graduate. And I also decided then to register at the business school. And so, this is an example and like I say, Ive done research many times since then, Ive had opportunities to do research, if you want to call it that. And each time, I was asked to falsify data, or it came to my attention the data was being manipulated, lets say, after I submitted it. So, again, anybody who has a low tolerance for this stuff will just bail out. But how do you keep them from bailing out? Youre stuck there because youve got this big huge debt over your head that youve got to repay. And so its really a difficult thing. RH: So tell me your general opinion then of research studies. Because it seems to me, every time you did a research study, either they asked you to falsify your data, or they took your data and manipulated it anyway to get the outcome that they wanted. So what good are these research studies? JD: Theyre really not that useful. In fact, especially if theyre measuring things like change in cholesterol level, not overall decrease in mortality. Blood pressure is an excellent example. Theyll measure how many points drop there is in the level of the blood pressure, not any increase in quality of life or increase in life expectancy or anything like that. And I was absolutely shocked and amazed when I spent so much time in medical school studying hypertension, studying the drugs that would be used for it, only to find when I graduated that taking high blood pressure medications did not help people live one minute longer. All it did was change their cause of death, but not the time of death. And so this, to me, was of course shocking.

And another thing that happens in medical school is they prep you for this. And what they do is they say, Well, you know what? We are teaching you the latest stuff, were teaching you the best stuff, there is no better information anywhere. Despite our best efforts, were just going to be truthful with you, half of everything were teaching you is not true. We just dont know what half. And when you get out, you have got to work really, really hard to keep up with the latest breaking stuff, because every four years, another 50% of what we told you becomes false. This was scary. I said, okay, after 12 years, what happens? If 50% of the stuff Im learning is now true, and after four years, 25% is true, another four years, 12.5%, another four years, 6.25%, which would mean that 93% at least of everything taught in medical would be false in 12 years. Now, if its false 12 years from now, isnt it false now? I mean, think about that. So yeah, if you do that kind of math, which is just fourth grade math here, nothing heavy, then you realize that necessarily, over 90% of whats being taught in medical school has got to be false. But to throw you off the mark, they tell you 50% is false. And so when you discover that one thing is false, another thing is false, another thing is false, you dont really figure it out until you cross the 50% mark, which can take five, ten, 20 years. And even then, youre like, Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, its getting outdated. Im replacing it with updated information. Oh, of course. And so it keeps the doctor engaging in behavior based on unreliable information. And so it keeps a thinking, reasonable person from discrediting the source of their information. And this is very important because in medical school, the protocols are written by the drug companies. The drug companies actually decide, like, you see a patient, what do you do? The patient says he has a cough. Okay, you do this test. Okay. Then you start this drug, Drug 1. Drug 1 doesnt work; what do you do? Well, you add Drug 2. If Drug 2 doesnt work, what do you do? Well, you add Drug 3. So, wait a minute. If Drug 1 and Drug 2 didnt work, why continue them? But this is the kind of mental activity that really gets you in trouble. You cant pass tests when you engage in that kind of thinking, because thats what board certification is all about, to create uniform thinking. And so a doctor says, Oh, yeah, I have to give this answer on the exam Drug 1, add Drug 2, add Drug 3, and so on. And so really, youre trained to multiply the persons side effects and increase their chances of dying from these drugs. Because we know Drug 1 didnt work, right? So it has no therapeutic benefit whatever. However, it does have side effects. Drug 2 didnt work, so we know it has no therapeutic benefit. But it has side effects. So were multiplying this persons side effects and were actually creating illness. Another statistic thats really fascinating, I found it fascinating, is that for every one dollar in medication a person consumes, they will have to consume at least three dollars in medical care to treat the side effects of the one dollar worth of medication. This is a marketers dream. How would you feel if you could sell someone a one dollar product and guarantee they have to come back and spend another three dollars with you? And of course, that three dollars, guess what? It gives rise to another nine dollars. And this is not arithmetic, this is not geometric; this is exponential growth. RH: It is quite a money-making system, is it not? JD: But you know, thats what its designed to do. Thats really what its designed to do. And people are just shocked when they go see a doctor, they spend a lot of money on drugs, they get a lot of tests, and they don't feel better. Well, its not what the system was designed to do. Engaging in the medical system in order to get healthy is like eating soup with chopsticks. The chopsticks just werent designed for that job. So the medical system in the United States is specifically designed to accelerate the transfer of funds from patients to hospitals, to drug companies, and to insurance companies. And thats really important because whether or not the doctor gets paid is not really a big deal. And a doctor will tell you that, too all the trouble they have being paid by insurance companies. But it helps to know the history of medicine.

Medicine in this country took a turn in 1911 with something called the Flexner Report. Well, the Flexner Report was paid for by drug companies. What Flexner did is he went all across the country, documented all the schools of healing, and did a report saying that every school that did not use pharmaceutical agents was fraudulent and was endangering the health of patients. The drug companies then financed the establishment of medical licensing boards in each state and actually gave those licensing boards standards to use in order to license doctors. Then they made donations to medical schools and, in exchange for the donations, influenced the curriculum. The AMA already existed; it was a very anemic, weak organization. Drug companies funded it to make it a more prominent organization. So this is what happened in 1911. Fast-forward to 1935, a hospital, Baylor Medical Center in Texas, was having difficulty getting paid and it was about to go under. It looked at all this bad debt and realized that most of the bad debt was from its very own employees. Then, they started something called Blue Cross. And they took money out of each employees paycheck every month. They were shocked that, 1) the employees tolerated it, 2) the employees were pretty happy with it, and 3) it actually solved their financial crisis. And this gave birth to health insurance as we know it today, designed exclusively to make sure that the hospitals get paid. Now, the drug companies mustve ridden on the gravy train after the 40s and health insurance became classified as a benefit to escape the wage/price controls that were put in place during World War II. So now, fast-forward to today, the insurance company is designed to make sure the hospitals get paid, to make sure the drug companies get paid, and of course, take some money for themselves. Nowhere is there anything about protecting the patient from financial ruin. And thats why health bills are the leading cause of bankruptcy in the United States, and most of the people who declare bankruptcy due to health bills have health insurance. The health insurance is just there to extract money from people so it can be divided among the three major players. And this is something that, if you understand it, then you can, I think, make a more reasonable decision about your health and relationship it might have to health insurance. And thats an important thing to grasp, because increased access to a system that begets illness may not be the best thing for your health. So thats a little bit of background about the medical system. And in medical school you know, I got to see this firsthand when I went to pharmacology class one day. And I was just a real learning machine. I would memorize at least 70 drugs a night; what do they do, when do you prescribe them, whats the dosage, when should you not prescribe them, whats the generic name, whats the brand name? And I was just boom-boom-boom-boom, memorizing, and I worked really, really hard. So I came to class one day and the professor was really just rattling off all these drugs and telling us when to use them. One day I was stunned when the theoretical benefits of a drug were revealed and this grand description of benefits was followed by the statement that there was no proof of benefit but it should be prescribed anyway this really shocked me, and this particular drug is Pyrimadol. And this is just an antiplatelet agent thats supposed to help prevent blood clots, but then he said, Well, you know, it doesnt really. Its supposed to prevent stroke. But it doesnt really. But you should prescribe it. I thought this was just totally puzzling. And at the end of the lecture, the professor raised his hand up, and said, Hey, Mr. Drug Rep, did I get that right for you? Everything the way you want it? And the drug rep said, Yep, Professor, everythings just perfect. RH: We have Thats interesting that the of course, I think a lot of people know that, that the doctors are highly influenced by the drug reps, and it looks like the people teaching the doctors are also highly influenced or totally influenced by the drug industry. JD: Exactly. And what we doctors were led to believe, that only the information we were getting during a drug rep lunch was biased in favor of the drug companies. And most doctors dont even suspect that the very curriculum at the medical school is directed by the drug companies, supervised by the drug companies. And so theres not much in their education thats objective evidence, at all.

RH: So, can you tell me you were telling me basically, you were telling me that early on, you as a doctor, you basically believed in the medical process, and basically you were killing people through your in an attempt to try to help them. But also we talked about a specific example or two that you had in I guess when you were in medical school or you were JD: In residency. RH: When you were doing the residency. You want to share that? JD: Yes. Now, in residency, thats where doctors go to sharpen their clinical skills and to learn more about how to take care of patients. And so, in residency, when we first sign on and they give you a white coat, stethoscope, and nametag. You feel that you have finally arrived. Youre in charge and youre writing orders and examining patients in a hospital. I and the other residents were told very clearly, It is not your job to save any lives. If you feel that the senior doctor is doing something that is unsafe or thats dangerous, it is not your job to stop them. And that was pretty much it. You know, You are not in a position to contravene or disobey any orders from a senior doctor. And that was the instructions we were given. And so fast-forward to an actual situation. This really happened. This was in 1983. I was doing a thing called a cardiology rotation, so the heart doctors were teaching me all about cardiology, and it was my job to examine patients, write orders, and review the orders with the senior doctor. Of course while he was teaching me, he would say, Eh, lets change this or Eh, lets change that. All right. So there was this patient whod been in the hospital and he had a heart attack, and he had a little stroke that went along with his heart attack which, by the way, is common. 30% of heart attack patients have a concurrent stroke. And so, at that time, the medical fashion was to anticoagulate heart patients with something called heparin. And if you know about heparin, you know that the therapeutic dose, enough to thin the blood, is very close to the deadly dose, enough to kill the patient. So for this reason, its very closely monitored and its dripped in a solution and you have to really pay attention to it. So I came to work one morning and the nurse was just absolutely distraught. She says, Oh, my God, Dr. Daniels, I made an awful, awful mistake. So I said, Whatever it is, lets take a look at it and maybe it can be fixed. Well, she had given the patient four times the concentration of heparin at four times the rate that I had ordered. And this had been running for about two hours. And so this person basically received about 32 hours of heparin over a two-hour period. So the first thing I did was ran to the room to make sure he was still alive. And sure enough, you know, he was sitting up in bed, and he said, Hello, and I said Hello. Then I dashed out of the room and said, Okay, this is what we do. Stop the heparin immediately. Check his urine. See if theres any blood in his urine. And do a CBC, see if he is having any blood loss, and lets see, youve got enough heparin in him for quite a few hours. Lets check his blood thinness now, and in about 12 hours, just to see kind of where hes at. And she said, Okay. Well, that wasnt the end of it. Unfortunately or however you want to look at it the senior attending doctor, this patient's personal physician that he was paying a substantial sum of money for expert care, said, What? Is that my patient? I said, Yes, it is. He said, Dont you ever, dont you dare stop heparin on a patient of mine. Never, ever, ever, do that. I said, Well, doctor, how much heparin would you like him to have? And he told me and I wrote it down. And I said, Well, doctor, how fast would you like that drip to go? And he told me; I wrote it down. And I said, Are there any other blood tests you would like, other than the ones I ordered? He said, Well, no more tests now. Okay. I wrote that down. And I drew a line, put an X, and I said, Here, doctor. Sign there. Well, he signed it. The nurse just about fell apart. So I took the paper and handed it to her, and she ran back to the nurses office, off the cardiac unit and talked to her supervisor. I overheard her say, Oh, my God, this is horrible the patients already received a dangerous dose. If I follow these orders, itll be even worse. And so the nursing supervisor said, Well, did the attending physician sign it? And the nurse said, Well, yes. The

supervisor said, Well, you have to follow them then. Of course, what happened was the patient bled from every orifice he owned, and they drained the blood bank supplies of Philadelphia that day, just trying to keep him from dying. RH: So did he end up dying? JD: No, he ended up living. Unfortunately, he was a dentist, and because of this overdose of heparin, he developed retinal hemorrhages in his eyes and was blind in both eyes. RH: Oh, my God. JD: It was awful. And his heart attack was trivial. It was not even enough to disable him. It was just a total, all-around tragedy. RH: Wow. JD: But again, seeing something like that happen, lets say I decide that I was going to step in and save this persons life, so to speak. Well, I wouldve been immediately disciplined and drummed out. And thats the way the profession is, that if youre the kind of person thats going to speak up about that, youre summarily removed, at whatever point you decide youre going to speak up. Judging from the nursing supervisor's action, this had happened before and there was a policy in place. RH: So basically, someone who believes in doing the right thing is not doctor material? JD: No. But again, its a seduction. Its little bit by little bit. First they tell you half the stuff is wrong, but theyre going to replace it with new research thats coming down the pike. So when you do something and the patient gets worse, youre like, Oh, this is the part theyre working on. Okay, Ill keep doing this until they find something better. I know theyre looking at it. And then if thats not enough pressure for you, the way malpractice is defined, malpractice is defined as deviating from these dangerous and deadly protocols that were written by the drug companies. So if youre a doctor and you prescribe a drug for a patient and the patient does very poorly lets say he dies. But you prescribed a drug that was you were instructed by the PDR and by all the education youve received. Next patient comes along; you prescribe the same drug. The patient dies. The third patient comes along and you say, You know what? The last two patients that got this drug did not do too well. I really think we need to pass on the drug right now. Just that alone, deviating from the protocol, is nowadays regarded as malpractice. And so if you decide to be compassionate and not adhere to a protocol, then youre setting yourself up for malpractice. And at some point after getting so many of these dings against your record, there goes your license. So doctors are under severe pressure, negative pressure, to conform and to comply with these protocols. And the thing is, we know these protocols are deadly. Why? Because 107,000 people every single year die in hospitals as a result of properly prescribed medications. Thats more people than are killed every year by incompetent doctors. RH: I can you say that again? More people than are killed? JD: More people are killed by competent doctors prescribing medication according to protocol than are killed by incompetent doctors. RH: Thats very interesting. Yeah, Ive read I remember a lot time ago, reading on Dr. Mercolas website that iatrogenic I guess doctor-caused death was like, at the time, was like the third-leading cause of death in the United States, I guess behind cancer and heart

JD: Yes, it depends on whos counting. Yes, it can actually be number one. It depends on how you count. But I would be conservative Im just going to take the numbers that the medical profession itself gives, and this is the number that the medical profession 107,000 people a year. Thats a very, very, very, very low number. If you count things like doctors who are incompetent, if you add hospital-acquired infections as a source of death and add up all these other sources, I mean, some researchers get as high as 999,000 deaths per year. Some people might quibble with his number. But the point is that everyone will agree, you have the greatest chance of dying at the hands of a competent doctor following protocol than at the hands of an incompetent doctor. Now, that is based on the federal government's figures for deaths due to medical errors and the hospital figures of death due to properly prescribed and properly administered medications. This number of 107,000 has been published in the Journal of the American Medical Association, New England Journal of Medicine. This is all no one can dispute that. Thats straightforward. So Im just sticking with the bare facts. RH: Yeah. Thats with their facts. And of course, we know that their facts can be adapted in their favor, so doctor-caused deaths might be a hell of a lot higher than can be imagined. And its funny, you know, when some of these alternative practitioners, after they get patients, and these patients have been treated all through the medical system, and theyre virtually on their deathbed, and these alternative people try something different, and if one of their patients out of 500 dies, you know, then theyre in big trouble. JD: Oh, theyre going to jail. I mean, gee whiz, thats practicing medicine without a license, and may be one of the safest things you can submit to. RH: Yeah. So, there was one other example of death with the I guess a nephrologist. Can you just tell me about that one? That ones really shocking, too. JD: Oh, its fascinating. This was the same residency, same hospital. And this was a hospital for the rich and not so famous. So everyone that came in was well-heeled or had great insurance. You knew they were poor if they didnt have a private duty nurse with them. It was that kind of hospital. So I was on duty one night and this guy came in and actually, he walked in. He walked and he talked, and I was like, Wow, why is he getting admitted? Thats interesting. But hed been admitted several times before and so I was kind of familiar with him. So no problems doing his history and physical, getting him kind of, you know, tucked in. And five days later, he was dead. He got carted out of the hospital in a pine box. So this to me was just an amazing thing. How is it somebody walks into the hospital and is carried out in a pine box? At the same time, you can imagine my intellectual curiosity was definitely aroused. So the medical director for the hospital had decided that I needed special guidance and that I needed somebody to teach me how to be a doctor, whatever that was. And so I told them I didnt want any third-year resident teaching me. I wanted to learn from the source, I wanted to learn from a senior doctor who had experience, who was capable. He said, Well, I guess that would have to be me. So I had mandatory meetings with him every single week where I had to bring a case study patient and present the patient and present my questions. And so this particular week, I chose this patient because I was like, I need to know. This to me is very confusing. You come to a hospital to get better. How is it you walk in and you get rolled out to your own funeral? So I got his chart, which was two volumes, each one like two or three inches thick, and went over all the admissions. And the pattern was he would be an outpatient he had severe hypertension. He would be started on a hypertensive medication while outside the hospital. He would become ill. He would be admitted to the hospital. The medication would be stopped. He got better and he would go home, doing fine. This happened about four or five times a year. His attending physician was a kidney specialist. Well, the kidney specialist went on vacation and the cardiologist took over. Well, the cardiologist got everything backwards. He admitted the guy to the hospital and started the medication while the patient was in the hospital and continued the medication until the patient ultimately died.

And so I presented this case to the medical director, and he became absolutely ashen his face was white as a sheet. He said, Oh my God, get the PDR. And the PDR is the Physicians Desk Reference. This is the book that tells you all about drugs and what they do and when you should prescribe them and how much. So I got the PDR I ran and got it and brought it back. I was like, Wow, this is going to be really interesting. Were going to learn something. Wow, this is great. So he said, Open it up to that page. Open it up to this drug. And every single medical condition this man had was a side effect of this drug he was taking. And the drug was absolutely deadly, and it was the drug that killed him. So what happened was the kidney specialist had been seeing him in the office, putting him on this drug. When he got sick, she would admit him and stop the drug, he would get better, then she would send him home. And of course, he had excellent Cadillac insurance. And what she was doing was bilking his insurance four times a year, whenever she needed an extra few thousand dollars or something. Kind of like an ATM machine. Unfortunately, she went on vacation. The covering cardiologist tried to do the same thing, but he got it backwards. Instead of putting him on the drug as an outpatient and then stopping it while he was in the hospital, he admitted the patient and started the drug while he was in the hospital, and the patient died. And so when we read the PDR, it became as plain as day to me and to the medical director what was going on here. And this was just the ace, number one kidney specialist for the hospital. Everyone totally admired and respected her. And so here we have this very obvious situation. And so the medical director said to me, Well, what do you think we ought to do with Dr. Such-and-such? Do you think we should maybe present this case to Grand Rounds and embarrass her? I looked him straight in the eye and said, You know what? Youre running this hospital. Youre teaching me. How do you think we should handle this? And he said, I think that you dont need to have any more of these meetings, that we are through of these meetings. I think that youve progressed far enough, and so we dont need to bother with these anymore. And that was the end of that. And the doctor was never disciplined and nothing was ever done. Now, had I made a stink about that, had I well, I wasnt even that sophisticated. But had I decided that I was going to call the medical licensing board and report this, then of course, what wouldve happened? I wouldve never become a physician. That hospital would never have signed my piece of paper that I needed saying that I had successfully completed residency and was fit to be licensed. And so the system is filled with these things. Its a self-perpetuating, self-correcting system. RH: Can you tell me how you were going to was this the incident related to you wanting to resign from medical school? Or that was something else? JD: No, I resigned from the residency. RH: Oh, the residency. Okay. JD: Yes. As soon as I started the residency, I started doing electives like nephrology, neurology, plastic surgery, the residencies no one else wanted to do. This means that I only had contact with specialists, not the family medical doctors or internal medicine doctors. What happened was professors who had never worked with me would write letters in my personnel folder saying that I wasnt as knowledgeable as they thought I should be, which is pretty vague. I didnt do what they thought I shouldve done in certain patient situations, which is pretty vague. And I didnt seem to have the fund of knowledge that they thought I should have. So they were putting stuff in my folder and things started getting pretty outrageous and pretty negative. And I looked at who was writing some of this and like, I dont even know this doctor. He hasnt even ever seen me work! This is not going well. And so. I said, Okay, fine. Were going to nip this in the bud. I wrote each doctor individually a letter saying, Thank you so much for your valuable feedback. I always want to improve myself. Would you please let me know which patient, which date, and what exactly it was

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I did not know, so that I can go and correct my information and knowledge deficits. Thank you so much. I look forward to your detailed reply. Sincerely, Dr. Daniels. Well, you can imagine, when they got a letter like that, written by somebody theyd never even seen work, they were wondering what the heck to do now. And so no one wrote me back. Instead, the medical director approached me and said, I understand you want some feedback. I said, Yes, Id like that. And then he proposed this meeting with him once a week and he proposed that I come in an hour early every day, which is a huge burden when youre already working 90 hours a week, to come in an hour early you know what I mean? I mean, its tough. RH: Yeah. JD: What I did, I did all this stuff yes, I did all this stuff. And then, last straw was a doctor said something to me, that was verbally you know, really pretty abusive and out of line, I thought. So I said to myself, Let me go check that folder and see how my folder is doing. And I checked my folder and theres more stuff in my folder from people who had never seen me work, and saying negative things. I said, You know what? I cant win. I cant win. So I wrote my letter of resignation. I mean, why should I stay here and work 105 hours a week, when obviously they dont intend to license me? So Im out of here. So I tendered my resignation. I figured, what the heck I had an MBA. Im going to go look for work with the MBA, you know? Not everything in life can work out. So I tendered my resignation I think it was 8:00 in the morning, as soon as I got in. And my beeper just started going off like crazy, with other residents calling me, saying, Dr. Daniels, we have a serious situation. Theres an emergency meeting and its going to be in the conference room next to the cardiology ward. I said, Okay, Ill be there. They said it was like 10:00 or something. Then the Medical Diector started paging me. He said, Dr. Daniels, I need to see you in my office. This is really an emergency. This is, you know, very, very important. I said, Okay, well Im due in cardiology now and Ive got this other meeting, blah-blah, Ill see you at whatever. He said, Okay, fine. Of course, my position was, I dont have any problems because Ive resigned. Im not worried. So I went to meet with the residents and come to find that the big, big emergency was that I was resigning! Im like, Well, whats that got to do with you guys? They said, You dont understand. What weve been doing is we dont answer our pages all day long. At 5:00, were getting ready to go home, we sign out to you, and then youre going around and doing all the work and answering all the calls we didnt answer during the day. So if you quit, then how are we going to get our job done? Because, of course, I was getting their job done. And then they said, Well, besides, if you quit, youll never be a doctor anyway. I said, Hey, if you saw whats going on to my personnel folder, you would know Im not going to be a doctor anyway. They dont intend to let me be a doctor. And they said, Oh! Well, if that was happening to us, we quit, too. I said, Okay, end of meeting, great. See you guys in the future. Im out of here. When I went to go see the medical director, the medical director gave me this speech about, Well, you know, this is a big decision youre making, and if you leave now, youll never be a doctor. You wont be able to practice medicine. I said, Excuse me, doctor. Have you seen my personnel folder? Im not going to be a doctor if I stay here. He said, Oh, well, I dont think you should take that too seriously. I said, Oh, really? Are you taking it seriously? He said, Well, uh, uh well, what is it going to take for you to stay? I said, Well, Im only here to get my piece of paper signed in June. Now, if youre going to sign my piece of paper in June saying I can be licensed, Ill stay. Ive got no problem. He said, Okay, great, no problem. I will sign that paper in June and you will be licensed in June, and no problem. I said, Will you put that in writing? He said, No, Im not going to put it in writing. You have to take my word for it. I said, Well, what about these doctors who are giving me a hard time and being rude to me and mistreating me? He said, You have my permission to say whatever you feel is appropriate to them. I said, Excellent. Thank you very much, doctor. And so, you know, from that day forward, if a doctor said something to me that was off the wall, I would just tell him what was on my mind. And then theyd run to the medical director and the medical director

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would say, Well, stop picking on her. And so that pretty much cleared things up. But again, if youre a nonconformist, if youre the least bit docile, you get singled out. And I was doing a bone marrow biopsy and people in the audience, some of them know what a bone marrow biopsy is, but its really painful. You take this big thing its almost like a dagger that youd use for a Count Dracula. And you put it through the persons skin, through their muscle, into their bone, feel the crunch, and then you suck that and pull RH: Ugh. JD: Yeah, exactly. Pull the stuff out of their bone. I mean, it is extremely painful. So, okay, Im doing this procedure. So the doctor says, Okay, Dr. Daniels, I want you to do this procedure the doctors senior. And so Im entering the skin, entering the flesh, and didnt even inject them they didnt even give the patient any local anesthetic. The patient let out the most pitiful scream you could even imagine. And so, of course, I decide, Well, if this hurts, let me stop. And the senior attending doctor says, Dr. Daniels, you cannot stop. You cannot allow the patients screams or cries or whatever to influence what youre doing. This is important. You have to do this. I was like, Whoa. You know, this is medical education. This was in the 80's. Patient rights have come a long way and now local anesthesia is used and some hospitals even demand that doctors stop procedures if patients object. RH: Thats very interesting. Lets tie this in now and by the way, we are going to get to how Dr. Daniels came into her knowledge of natural or better, lets say alternative its just different, lets say, healing modalities or methods than the allopathic medical model. But this is all very important information for people to know, because you have to realize that the whole system is designed to get people in there who are conformists. And also, you were talking about before that they have these very big medical loans that they have to pay off, so theyre willing to even though theres some moral issues, its like, Well, I have to get these loans paid off, otherwise my life is ruined. Im not going to be able to make this money very likely in other fields. So I have to get through this. I have to follow all the ways they do things, even if I dont agree with it. And so I think this is very important for people to know. But I would also like to just quickly go into this idea that I think you said this also happened at Wharton, at business school, that you were openly sort of recruited and maybe told promises of wealth and money if you just would do certain things. And the way I call it is you were recruited into what people are calling these days the new world order or you know, recruited by globalists, these people who are actually behind the medical profession and many other things, which are leading to what theyre trying to get is a one-world government, and that might be good and dandy, except they dont have very good plans for the people who are going to be in that government. Anyway, can you tell me a little bit about that, your recruitment? JD: Well, in medical school, again, this was a step by step by step process. And you know, if youre the kind of person whos been noted to complain or to not conform, then you dont get invited to the next step. And the next step is to become a professor at a medical school where you enforce these standards on students coming through. And thats the ultimate because as a medical professor, youre taken out of the line of fire so you dont have to deal with patients, with the day-to-day intensity that, say, a private practice doctor might. You dont have to worry about whether the insurance is going to pay you or not because youve got a salary coming in. So this is an incredibly coveted type position. But you only get this position if you endorse and support whats already going on, and they see that youre the kind of person who will perpetuate whats going on. So if youre the kind of doctor thats going to tell a drug rep to not come back to your office ever again, well, you know, you just flunked the test. And so, in business school, things were very interesting I majored in healthcare administration. And so, in healthcare administration, theyre very open about their plans for the medical profession and for doctors. The plan for doctors was to eliminate them, because the way it works is you have the insurance company throwing out the money to the hospitals and the drug

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companies. And the doctor is just the middle man the patient, too, for that matter, but the doctor certainly is the middle man to be eliminated. So the plan then was to get patients to not have any allegiance to doctors, to get patients to believe that one doctor is interchangeable with another. And this was in the early 80s. And so then, thats when we got the protocols in place. So you couldnt even get a doctor who was going to tailor his therapy to you because hes having to follow a protocol or he was not going to get paid by the insurance company. And the importance of these protocols was to make one doctor indistinguishable from another. It was not in any way to save patient lives, because as we can see, these protocols have not saved anyones life. And so, again, these were if you were a thinking person sitting in a classroom, from a patient perspective, youd say, Whoa, wait a minute. Theyre going to tell my doctor that he cant see me on time? Theyre going to tell my doctor that he cant listen to my complaints and tailor his therapy to what Im complaining about? But thats exactly what were informed of. And again, theres a self selection process here. If its the kind of thing that turns your stomach, well, what are you going to do? Well, youre going to leave the room, youre going to change your major, youre going to do other things. RH: So you had mentioned to me somehow that you were seemingly, like at Wharton, openly recruited or told you know, promised certain things if you sort of I mean, was there some kind of brotherhood? I mean or to just explain that. JD: Well, Wharton is much broader than medical school. Medical school, when you got there, you knew what they were going to that you were either in or youre out, so to speak, in that if you conformed and you did everything you were told, then that would make a huge, huge difference and things would go better with you. In business school, the attitude and the atmosphere was, Youre here, youre in. Now, lets give you some tips on how to make the most advantage of this grand opportunity that you have here. And in healthcare administration, it was very clear that the name of the game was to go after the doctors income and appropriate that income for yourself, which is what was done in the 80s and 90s. The HMOs, PPOs, whatever, with some very aggressive contracts, they essentially fleeced the doctors and transferred the money to the MBAs. Now, a part of this process what the MBAs were really getting paid for was standardizing medical care so that all the drugs that were supposed to be prescribed and consumed would get prescribed and consumed. And so that was basically your little niche there in the market. RH: I see. JD: Yeah, handmaiden to the insurance companies, to the drug companies, or to the hospitals, depending on which end you chose to work. But it was very clear working for the doctors on that side of the table was not really an option. RH: All right, okay, so weve got a little insight into that. Maybe some other time we can go into that back connection more deeply. Id also like to talk to you about, okay, so eventually you got your own medical practice, started treating patients. You realized that some people were dying that really you thought shouldnt be dying. Maybe you could tell a little bit about that. And youre telling me like a certain percentage of people would die, and the difference between what happened there, between when you went to an alternative method of healing than strictly just drugs. And then tell me that story where how you sort of got into doing the natural or alternative approach. JD: Well, actually, I had my own little health crisis when I got pregnant with my first child. I decided that I was so sick, I was surely going to die. And I was told in medical school that if you became a vegetarian, that was it you were going to die. And Id always wanted to be a vegetarian. So I said, You know what?

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This is the perfect time. Im dying anyway. And Ill become a vegetarian just before I die. And so I became a vegetarian, and overnight my affliction went away. It took about 26 hours. RH: Wow. JD: I said, Whoa! This is good. I think Im going to stick with this. Maybe its bad for everyone else, but Im going to stick with it for now. And so I just felt so much better. I just felt fantastic. So then I returned to Syracuse, bought a city block, built a medical office building, started practicing medicine. And I was very, very proud of my education and I was very proud of my ability to memorize these protocols, to stick to them, to keep all these drugs straight, and to fully inform my patients of their medical options. So here I was, just, I mean, full guns ahead, practicing medicine. And I noticed that about four people a year were dying, about four or five people a year. And I really wasnt it just seemed like I should be able to do better, to be more helpful. And you know, someone died and I would call the specialist and Id say, Hey, you know that patient that I sent to you a few weeks ago? And theyd say, Oh, yeah. I said, Well, that patients dead now. Theyd say, Well, did you do everything I told you? Id say, Absolutely. I did everything you told me, and I would recite the whole thing. Oh, well, Jennifer, dont you worry. Patients die. Its just no big deal, as long as you did what youre supposed to do. I said, Well, okay. And I hung up, but I really wasnt happy with that. And so what I started to do is like, Well, golly gee, you know, this eating vegetables is really working out for me. Maybe Ill recommend that to patients. And then I started educating myself more about natural healing. And so I started giving people a choice. I said, Look, this is the deal. Heres a drug. Its recommended for you, you know, you can take the drug thats no problem. Or you can change your diet, and heres the changes Id recommend. Or you can take some vitamins; heres the vitamins Id recommend. Or you can take some herbs. Or, you know, whatever combination you want. What do you think? And from the day I started doing that, the death rate went to zero. I mean, absolutely zero. I mean, if a person was going to die, it was usually someone who came from another practice and said, Dr. Daniels, I have cancer, I know Im dying. In fact, Id like to die. And I understand that youll let me die and you wont order any fancy tests if I dont want them. And I said, Yeah, thats true. So yeah, there were those patients, but there were no 50-somethings who rolled into the emergency room and died of heart attack, or you know, there were no mysterious, unanticipated deaths. And when that happened, I was absolutely stunned. Because I would keep track. Because as a doctor, Id get invited to the weddings, the funerals, you know. And Id found I was going to way too many funerals and not enough weddings, so I changed up and give them all these choices. I didnt even force it on them. I didnt even say, You cant take drugs. I would say, Hey, heres the deal. Its your choice. Not once did the patients make a lethal decision. And I really got a lot of respect for patients from that, because you know what? Its their life. Im going to let them decide. And no matter what they decide some people would decide drugs, some people would decide no drugs, some people would decide they wanted to change their diet, use vitamins or herbs and for me, that was a serious eye-opener. Im like, Oh, my God. Could it be that that stuff I was taught in medical school is inherently deadly? That its dangerous, it causes death? And this is coming now that its well known. Again, the industrys own statistics from hospitalized patients who received drugs prescribed according to protocol, and these protocols, of course, being written by drug companies. RH: So, can you tell me now, also quickly, about that story about that patient you had was he the one who had the lupus? JD: People would come to me with lupus, and using natural methods exclusively, they would get off their prednisone, their antidepressants, the whole ball of wax, and they could actually go back to working every

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day and being on time and taking up hobbies like sports, and one guy started running marathons. In fact RH: Thats actually the story I wanted to hear from you. JD: Well, I had a family practice thats what I did. And so I started taking this newfangled insurance and this man comes in with his wife and he says, We want two complete physicals. I said, Okay, and did a complete physical on him. And of course, things were not checking out here. He had bald spots, bright red shiny spots. He was very squirrelly and nervous. Of course, he had lupus, he was on prednisone, he was on antidepressants, and he wasnt really that coherent. And so I called his specialist and said, Hey, you know, your patients here. Im his new primary care doctor and I just want to touch base with you and see kind of what your plan is for him so I could stick with that plan and send him back to you whenever you thought you needed to see him. So he told me whatever he should want to tell me. And so I said to the patient, Well, you know, Im family practice. Im not a rheumatologist, Im not a specialist. You know, this is not really my expertise. He said, I dont care. Ive been to the specialists. Theyve been treating me for years. I feel absolutely lousy. Im going to give you a try. Im going to do whatever you tell me to do. So the first couple of visits, I just stuck with the rheumatologists plan. But the problem was, the patient was having emergencies and every day hed rush into my office from work, you know, because he was freaking out or whatever. And Im like, This is not working. Its not working for him and its definitely not working for me. So I talked to him, You want to try something natural? You think lets give this a try. He said, Well, okay. So I told him what to eat, what not to eat, recommended some vitamins really minimal vitamins, just the ones that people tend to have deficiencies in, like B12, folic acid, whatever nothing heavy. And so he did what he was supposed to do. Then I recommended some anti-parasite stuff and recommended that he have more bowel movements. It took about five months. And at the end of five months, he was off all of his prednisone. He was off all of his pills. And his attendance record at work was perfect. And life was good and he started training for his marathon. What he always wanted to do was run a marathon. And so every time Id see him, hed say, Well, doc, Im going to run that 7K marathon. Of course, he had Lupus Cerebritis. That means that his brain is affected by Lupus and his thinking is not clear. So I started obviously he had lupus and of course, would never run a marathon. But, Id humor him and say, Yes, Mr. Jones, of course youre going to run that 7K race. And darned if he didnt do it. And he ran the 7K race. He finished it. He ran every single year. And one year, he saw his rheumatologist who was also running the 7K race. And he said hello to the rheumatologist. The Rheumatilogist was shocked. He said, Oh, my gosh, how are you doing so much better? The patient said, Well, Im just seeing Dr. Daniels. So yeah, so and thats really when I started applying natural healing to identifiable diseases, like hypertension and diabetes. In fact, my license actually was suspended and then I surrendered it, when I applied diet to a diabetic and he got better with diet and exercise and no drugs. But I started with identifiable diseases, and then people started coming to me with I would call them unidentifiable diseases. By that I mean these are diseases that the medical profession did not recognize as a disease. For example, fibromyalgia that was not recognized as a disease when I started in practice in 1990. But people started coming to me with fibromyalgia, with Candida, and most recently, electromagnetic sensitivity. And so Candida is not something recognized by the medical profession. Of course, being an observant student, I noticed that whenever somebody was admitted to the hospital for whatever infection and put on antibiotics, and especially when they were in the intensive care unit, whenever you did a blood test, you always cultured out Candida. So it seemed to me that obviously Candida existed as an infection in the blood and throughout the body.

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this miracle cure, either instead of or alongside the medications, meant that I could take this person with severe hypertension and I could give them fewer drugs at a lower dose, and I didnt get phone calls about side effects. Theyre happy, Im happy, and that was a big deal to my practice, me being able to sleep through the night. I mean, I knew that when I went home at 5:00 or 6:00pm, that was it; I was home for the night. And that was huge. And so discovering this miracle cure just totally transformed my life and the patients, of course they actually felt better and they could go on and live their lives and do the things that were important to them. RH: And what were some of the other things that you were able to cure with a similar method? JD: Well, those were the biggies. But boils, you know, a lot of people had boils that would keep coming and nobody would get rid of them, and they would give them antibiotic after antibiotic after antibiotic. It was just incredibly, incredibly useful. RH: And what about, you said also, just in general, its just great for any kind of autoimmune disease, correct? JD: Right, right. I found that it really helped with autoimmune diseases. And so that was just wonderful because treating people who have autoimmune diseases was very, very frustrating because you just really wish you could do more for them, you know? You know theyre suffering, you know theyre miserable, but your medical education just doesnt really extend to helping them. With the relief provided by the Candida Cleaner, they can live their life as it was before the disease took hold. RH: And you also said wasnt this also good for prostate problems, also? JD: Yes. In fact, even prostate cancer. And Id also use it for pneumonia. RH: Pneumonia, thats right. JD: Yeah, as you can imagine, people would come to me who wanted things their way you know, hold the mayo, hold the lettuce, special orders dont upset us. So I had older people come in the office and obviously they had pneumonia. And Id say, Look, youve got pneumonia. You can either go in the hospital or you can make a little tweak to your diet and take this miracle cure. What do you want to do? And there were patients who would pick the miracle cure and the diet and their pneumonia would clear up very nicely in two or three days, just fine. And so this gave my patients an incredible amount of freedom. Also, I had stopped accepting Medicare because Medicare was paying me about $9 a visit. So, say its a $70 office visit, Medicare is paying me $9. And it also took my front desk about 30 minutes to figure out how to properly enter the Medicare payment in the computer in a way that would be pleasing to Medicare. So this is like really a lot of work. So I stopped taking Medicare. Man doctors did this so the government created a form of Medicare where the patient could actually come and see a doctor and pay the doctor independently. And so there were actually patients who did this, so they could get any doc they wanted. RH: Okay, Dr. Daniels, can you tell me a little more about these undocumented conditions that the medical profession just simply didnt even recognize? And how that actually relates to the insurance companies and how they would get paid or not get paid? JD: Yes. Theres a book called ICDM-9, and this is a book that literally gives every single recognized disease a number. Its a very complicated number system. But only if a doctor can find the disease in this book and find the number or code corresponding to that disease can a doctor actually get paid for rendering a service. So a patient comes in and says, Well, I have Candida syndrome. Ive got Candida all over my body. Well, thats not something thats in the ICD-9 book in the list of outpatient diagnoses. Or a patient might say, I have electromagnetic sensitivity. Well, this is not in the ICD-9 book. And so if a doctor acknowledges that you have that disease and writes down that that is what your complaint is and

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that is why he is providing care for you, then he cannot be compensated for that care by any insurance company and the cost of that visit cannot count toward your deductible. RH: Wow, thats weird. JD: So this is one reason why patients are often unable to either, a) get the doctor to acknowledge their disease, because if he acknowledges their disease then he doesnt get paid, or if he does acknowledge their disease, then he is not able to provide them care relevant to that disease. RH: Okay. So JD: Which makes it really tough for people. RH: So why dont we get into a little of how you Im not sure I want to discuss how you came about how you sort of discovered this Candida cure. JD: Yes. The first thing that happened was as I mentioned before, I was helping people with regular diseases that did appear in the textbook. And then people started coming in with diseases that were not in the textbook. And I would give them my usual holistic program of adjusting their diet, having them do enemas, increasing their water intake, increasing the amount of bowel movements they have, doing all these things. And people would get better, but they wouldnt get like 100%. Maybe they would get 70% better or 90% better. I mean, they were absolutely thrilled. They were very happy because they just had never had anything near that amount of relief. But I felt it seemed to me that there should be some way to return them to the condition they were in before they got sick, number one, and number two, if they followed all my instructions and they got this improvement, they would easily relapse if something went wrong. And that concerned me. So I was looking for some way to help people get a more complete resolution of their situation, number one, and number two, a way of making relapses less likely and less frequent. So I really focused on doing that. And the coincidence at the same time that I was homeschooling my children, and part of homeschooling the kids is you have to read stuff along with them. And so I started reading about history and reading historic accounts where they mentioned something that people would take twice a year that cured absolutely everything, cured everything without question. And I was like, Wow, thats really neat. Well, I know its not a pharmaceutical drug because this is like really a long time ago, back in the 1800s. I said, Man, it cures everything. Ive got to find out what that is. And of course, it was a natural substance and it was used by some very poor people, like rural farmers and stuff. So I said, Well, Im going to find that cure. By this time, I was pretty much over the top. I had hundreds of books on natural healing and Im like, Okay, Im going to look through these books. Im looking for something thats really cheap and cures everything. Not in any one of my several hundred books did I find a reference to something that cured everything. Then I said, Okay, Im going to take a look in the literature. Ill look in the medical literature. And I looked I was constantly going to the medical school library to look up one thing or another because there were a lot of things, of course, I was very curious about. Well, I went to the medical school library and looked there. I looked in journals and magazines. This was pre-internet, so it was tough to get too far a reach, so to speak. But I couldnt find anything. And so I started nosing around, and I finally decided, since I couldnt find the answer in the literature and I couldnt find the answer in the books, maybe some people whod been alive in the 1800s might know. And of course, this was 1995, so I pretty much reaching the natural limit of finding someone who was alive in the 1800s. But I figured that these people must have had children or grandchildren would know. And so I started nosing around, and I finally found some people who had relatives that were alive in the 1800s and they shared the cure with me. But it was an exhaustive process. RH: Okay, yeah. So I remember you told me you were asking your patients for a while and

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JD: Yes. RH: No one knew anything about what you were talking about. But eventually they started saying, Oh yeah, you must be talking about this. JD: Yeah, My grandmother, she used to use that stuff. And I said, Well, what stuff? And they told me and I said, Really? And I said, Well, I guess your grandmothers dead now. No, no, no, shes 90 years old, still using that stuff. I said, Well, are you using it? No, I wouldnt touch it. I said, Oh, interesting. And so it is something thats very common, hiding in plain view, as they say. And even personally, I had to say, Well, Im taking my life into my own hands here, and I might die and I might not. So I personally tried it out myself. And even though I was very healthy, I started feeling better. I said, Well, this is interesting. And so I got people you know, relatives who I knew had problems where they werent totally healthy, and I got them to try it. And they got wonderful results. And then I started offering it to my patients, but I only offered it to people who were really ill, who had a condition that wasnt improved by any medical intervention; things that modern medicine just didnt have any cure for. So I started doing that, and then those people got better. I said, Wow, thats interesting. And then people started showing up with these diseases that were I call them unrecognized diseases, disease that just medically the medical profession just didnt even recognize that they existed. And this was really the dark ages. Fibromyalgia wasnt recognized; it was considered a neurotic disease of suburban housewives, not a real medical thing. So that this was during those times, and so this cure even worked for fibromyalgia. And then, of course, people started coming in and saying, Doctor, I have brain fog. And I said, Oh, whats that? Im in a fog all the time. I said, You know what? I think I have something that might help you. And you know, we didnt cover this in medical school, but I think this will help you. And people were absolutely thrilled that they were able to focus or to concentrate, and it felt like the brain fog lifted. So that was just so, so exciting. And then, of course, the Candidiasis, you know. That lifted. And it was just so encouraging to see people get better. Now, this is all nice and dandy, but it turned out there was actually a profile of the kind of person that would benefit and the kind of person that would not benefit. First of all, Candida, it turns out, is prolific. You know, they have babies and they propagate. And youve got to remove the Candida from your system at a faster rate than what theyre reproducing. And by your system I mean literally the intestines. And so this meant I would have to sit down with these people and say, Hey, you need to have three bowel movements a day or even more. And a lot of people werent willing to do that. And some people couldnt because of their job or whatever. But having three bowel movements a day is a definite must. You cannot cure Candida if youre leaving the Candida in your system. Now, typically, not everyone has three bowel movements a day; they can do enemas instead. I dont really recommend colonics because the colon has to do a lot of reabsorption in the first ascending and transverse portion, and the colonics would remove the contents of the whole colon, and remove a lot of stuff that the body would be better of reabsorbing, like the water and various enzymes. Then, of course, you have to change your diet. Everyone says, Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I follow a diet for Candida. And when you get your document, your PDF about the Candida Cure, youll get detailed information about the diet that I recommend. Many people failed to improve because they ate their granola, power bars, rice milk, rice cakes, and they switched from processed regular food to processed health food. The processed health food is not a whole lot healthier than processed regular food. And so people really had to kind of look in the mirror and say, Yeah, Im going to do it. Im really going to drop all of the food in my diet that Candida loves to eat. Because that is another thing people had to do, and not everyones willing to do that. Next, they had to

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Im just telling you what I know and I think this will be helpful to you. And she said, You know what? I am so upset, I am so done out, Im so ticked off, Ill even do that. She went ahead and did it, came back in two weeks because it takes at least a week for people to get through steps 1 through 4 of the Candida protocol. And only after theyve done that is it okay for them to use this candida cleaner, step 5. So she did all of that, which took her about a week. Then she used the cure. She took only two doses. And she came back on a follow-up visit I wanted to check and make sure she was doing okay. She came back and I said, Well, hows your yeast going? She said, What yeast? I dont have any yeast. Im cured. Im done with that. I dont have any problems. So yeah, I was already to get into it with her and discuss it and commiserate and tweak and adjust her program, and she says, No, thats fine. So you can see its pretty dramatic. Again, you do have to follow instructions, and when you get your PDF, itll tell you exactly what the steps are, exactly how to follow them. You know, I go over some things that some people messed up on so you dont do the same thing. And you can get very, very good results. Be sure to read the FAQ section of the PDF. RH: So what percentage of people with Candida even I mean, Ive been getting so many emails from people, some of these people having Candida problems a few years, ten years, 15 years, 25 years, 45 years, their whole lives. A lot of people are suffering with this, and most of those people have tried socalled everything in the book. Ive read over 320 no, over 330 different emails from people, and none of them who mentioned all the things theyve tried knew anything about what youre recommending. So, so far, out of all of those people, nobody knows. JD: Exactly, thats because its really highly, highly highly censored. An act of Congress in 1966 officially outlawed its sale for theraputic use. You know, this is a really effective cure for sure. And so I think that might be the reason. And also, when we had compulsory education in this country that separated young people from their parents and their grandparents, and so this cure is not passed down. And I think many parents and grandparents were embarrassed to talk about it because its considered to be backward and not modern. And they wanted their children to be modern, to be educated, to be up-to-date. And everyone had this false sense of security that modern medicine, as it was evolving, had all the answers, and they didnt want to cloud their childrens consciousness or database with all this nonsense home remedy stuff. RH: Yeah, I could imagine. Back then, you know, probably medicine was advertised so well and people actually thought it worked back then and JD: The greatest potential. RH: Were in a very different state now. Most people know that, for the most part, medicine just doesnt work, or they soon enough find out. So lets talk about this. Okay, so we know that for many Candida sufferers, theyve been suffering with it for years and years, and just cant seem to get rid of it completely. Sometimes they get improvements. A lot of times they take medicines that give them horrible side effects and give them other injuries and stuff. So lets talk about okay, you know, some people are like, Well, Im skeptical. I want to believe but Ive tried so many things. So what do you honestly think is going to be the percentage of success of people who have Candida? And also, you can talk about people who also have multiple conditions. What do you expect the healing rate to be out of ten people? JD: Out of ten people, if they all follow the step-by-step, Step 1, do this, Step 2, do this, and so on, and then finally use the miracle cure, I think 100% of people will experience dramatic improvement. Now I say 100% of people who actually do that will get dramatic improvement. Now, whos not going to get complete improvement? That person who has multiple conditions, that person who has maybe diabetes, hypertension, and arthritis, in addition to their yeast symptoms, now that persons probably going to take longer but will experience improvement from day to day. you know. In my practice, people generally came to see me that had only been suffering for maybe five years or something like that. So I was a pretty

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young doctor, and so back then, again, the word had to get around that, okay, is this doctor curing rheumatoid arthritis and lupus and arthritis, and then the Candida people said, Hey, wait, maybe she can help me. RH: All right. JD: But the key is in many chronic conditions, you cant count on your body to tackle the one that you think is most important. If you have a yeast type syndrome, your body might think that the arthritis is more important, and thatll clear up first, and then the yeast symptoms will clear up. So you have to be open to your body deciding what it wants to do first. RH: Okay, makes sense. I know thats the same thing that happened to me with going raw the body just sort of has its own way of doing things, and sometimes youre eating raw and youre expecting to get all sorts of energy, but the reason you dont is because your body is taking an opportunity to start healing itself because finally its got some good building materials, and so its doing its own thing, clearing out your lungs or doing whatever, and it could take a while before you feel as good as you want to feel because youve got to do some repairs first. JD: Someone who comes in with a list of 20 problems and, you know, after a lot of years of experience, I now tell them, Look, I can help you get better but I cant guarantee you which problem your bodys going to tackle first. Or, I recognize your list of 20 things and it sounds to me like someone elses list that Ive seen heal. I can tell them, Look, your body might want to proceed in this particular order; thats what Ive seen before. And is that okay with you? And then sometimes, its actually possible to redirect the body to get it to take things kind of out of order, so to speak. In the area of Candida, thats not really the case, I dont think, because Candida is everywhere. You know, its throughout the blood, its throughout the muscles, throughout everything. And so we have to trust the body to decide whether it wants to clear out the blood first or clear out the muscles first or clear out the joints first. Now, I think thats really important for people to understand, that if youve got a long list, then your body may not start where you want it to start. But with this miracle cure, it will get started and you will notice. RH: Okay. So lets talk a little about you know, basically weve put together this. This is Im just doing the interviewing and getting the information. But weve put together all the information you need to cure, to get rid of your Candida. And for many people, it can be done if you dont have any extra complications, it could be done in as little as a week with just two treatments, assuming youre following the other steps, diet-wise and so on and so forth, and getting enough bowel movements and so on. And I dont think what you said personally for me what you said is very restrictive as far as what the diet thing is. Maybe for some people who are eating absolutely horrible diets. I guess for me, because I eat such a strict diet as it is, it just seems like nothing. So I just want to let people to know its not superdifficult to do. JD: Well, the other thing is the way I coach it is I tell you exactly what you can eat, so I dont give you a list of what you cannot eat; I give you a list of what you can eat. And if you stick with that list, youre really okay. Now, what I found, again, since I had a practice where the insurance company wouldnt pay me for taking care of these undocumented, unrecognized diseases, so people had to pay me themselves. So that meant what? These people who came to see me had more disposable income, and Id give them this restrictive list, Id see them back, and you know, theyre into the granola and theyre into the power bars, and Id say, Whoa, whats up here? And theyd say, Well, I was at the health food store. Id say, Well, wait a minute. Not everything at the health food store is healthy.And they were like totally shocked. Oh, no, Doctor! So you have to understand that not everything at the health food store is healthy, but processed is just that processed food. And its the yeastie beasties its just their favorite food. So youll get direction there and youll get a list of things that seem to work. And you dont have to have a diet totally free of all carbs and it doesnt need to be all that. You just need to clean up your diet, add some water. And really,

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all youre doing is making it easy for your immune system to do its job. Once youve made it real easy for your immune system to do its job, then youre ready for the miracle cure, which is going to take things up a notch. And when it takes things up a notch, that means your immune systems got to be ready, too. Your immune systems going to say, Whoa, all this yeast is ready to leave. Id better give it an escort. RH: And yeah, so then youll be able to take care of it if you do that. This is powerful stuff. JD: Yeah, thats what I say. A lot of people with like yeast problems, their issue is they get these die-off reactions. And thats the awful thing. And when I didnt really understand the whole process, I would try to help people and they would get like a die-off reaction, which is uncomfortable. And then thats it they dont want to hear any more of what you have to say, once they have one of those things. But thats the whole purpose of doing all this stuff before you use the miracle cure, preparing your body, so that means you dont get the die-off reaction. Also, the doses that youre going to get for the miracle cure, its going to seem like not a lot. Its not a lot, but it works. So dont increase the dose, dont try and go quicker or faster, because again, youre going to run into a die-off reaction. You dont want that. So this is something that I have a lot of experience with and Ive arranged it so that its pretty comfortable. RH: Yeah, thats a nice factor. So its not theyre not going through horrible pain and they can continue working or living their lives and get over this. JD: Right. RH: And so, what I want people to know is that were going to have this program, and one of the bonuses that were going to give is that anyone who gets this program who also if they need more help, youll be able to take 30% of one of Dr. Daniels up to an hour of Dr. Daniels consultation. You can get either the lowest increment of time you could get her for would be 15 minutes you know, 15 minutes, half hour, 45 minutes, or up to an hour. And so when you get this program, well give you a 30% discount on whichever increment of time you want to take, assuming that you want to take it, if you need more clarification which is good. I mean, her current as far as I know, your current consultation rate is $797 an hour, correct? JD: Yes. RH: So well give you a 30% coupon off of that. And of course, you can consult to her, I guess, about Candida or any related issue, as well, assuming that youre the customer and you actually bought the program. So all right, I think weve given everybody a pretty good idea of what this is all about. Well be updating you, getting you information as soon as we have the program ready, up and ready to buy. RH: Okay, great. So you can take it from there. Was there anything else that you wanted to add about the program? By the way, we are going to have a 30-day money back guarantee, so theres absolutely no risk. If you feel that, for whatever reason, this is just not quite right for you, or you realize afterwards that youre not willing to make some of the changes, you have 30 days to try it out and get a no-questionsasked money back guarantee. So, was there anything else you wanted to add? JD: Well, as I was saying, this is really a major breakthrough for my patients. It has just totally changed their lives. Many people had brain fog so bad that they thought they were going to have to quit their job or get fired. And after using this and testing it, theyre able to continue with their job and continue with even with their family life. So its really a major breakthrough. The other thing I might say is just stay focused and take those steps one step at a time. Make sure you stay focused on each step and do it. When finally you take the miracle cure, itll be a great experience. RH: By the way, how many steps were there in this program?

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JD: A total of five, with the fifth step being the miracle cure itself. So the first four steps are preparing yourself for the miracle cure so that you dont have any die-off issues or reactions or anything like that. And then the fifth step is the miracle cure. RH: Okay. Well, I really appreciate your taking the time to do the interview here. Youve revealed just some incredible information. It seems to me that Id be very wary about going to the doctor after what Ive heard from you and how the whole basically the drug companies are running the medical profession and its all basically about money and not about peoples lives. JD: Theyre not running it; they created it. The medical profession is the distribution and marketing arm of the drug companies. RH: Yes. And thats what people dont realize. They actually created it, starting with funding from Rockefeller anyway, thats a whole long story. So okay, I guess thats it. We want to if you didnt know where to go, I believe were going to be putting up a page at my website where were going to give you more information about this. So when thats up and running, you can go here. So Ill tell you where to go. You can go to www.Candida.RogerHaeske.com. So Ill spell that out for you. You can go to www.Candida.RogerHaeske.com. So, again, its www.Candida.RogerHaeske.com. And we hope to have that up very soon because I know a lot of you have been suffering. I had Candida for quite a while; I struggled with it myself. Its not such an easy thing sometimes to get rid of. So I want to thank you for taking the time to listen. And Dr. Daniels, I think were going to be doing some more interviews with you. And I know youre coming out in the near future also with other products dealing with how to cure other specific conditions, like IBS and arthritis, and so on and so forth. JD: Exactly, and lupus, thats right. RH: You know, things that are considered incurable by the medical profession and even many alternative treatments just dont seem to work. You seem to have a handle on it. And so this is really, as far as Im concerned, breakthrough, monumental kind of stuff. And it could really just improve the health of a lot of people, and therefore, improve your health, you have more energy, you can earn more money. I mean, Ive met some people who had Candida who couldnt even work. Theyre almost stuck in bed almost the whole day. I mean, it can be really bad. JD: Absolutely RH: So were hoping that this will be your solution. So thanks so much, Dr. Daniels, and well talk to you soon. JD: Youre welcome. RH: And thanks, everybody, for listening. Take care, have a great day. To your radiant health, this is, Roger Haeske, the 42-year-old teenager. =================================== To listen to the audio version of this interview please visit this link below: http://candida.rogerhaeske.com/youmadeit.htm

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