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For donations to desert, send them to Free America Radio Network, 121 Seaparc Circle, Suite B, Kingsland, Georgia 31548. Phone number: 912-882-2142. Cell: 304-629-7169. For reference: Jersey City v. Hague, 115 Atlantic Reporter 2nd, page 8 (A 2nd ) ***************************************************** Start ***************************************************** {01:53:14.000} [Howard] A number of the things that Dave brought up tonight in those e-mails are written by other people, not me. Theyre right in line with things that Ive talked about in the past. I have talked about the corruption of this government, the corruption of the money system. Ive talked about the corruption of the birth certificate and whats been done to us through the recording of the birth certificate many times in the past. That fellows article was very interesting on it. It added a little bit more to the things that we already had talked about and known in the past but more knowledge is coming to be by more people becoming interesting. So far nobodys had an answer of what do we do about this and I think we got one. I think we need to do a lot of learning to learn how to use this answer but I think we finally found the answer. As I said earlier tonight Nancy Pelosi in her step down speech that sounded more like an acceptance speech yesterday. I mean, she tried to take the floor away from Mr. Boehner and really didnt want to give the gavel back over to him but you could see that she was very unhappy. But in her speech at least five different times she commented that the Congress of the United States are trustees of the people. Ive talked before about at least one case that were very familiar with and thats Jersey City v. (Mayor)Hague. And in that case the State of New Jersey Supreme Court declared that all government officials at all times are in a trust position. The government is a trust corporation. It only exists for the purpose of being a trust and as the Supreme Court in Jersey City v. Hague stated that as such they have a fiduciary duty to act in good faith with the highest level of honesty and integrity in their dealings. Of course, the held old Mayor Hague liable for every bit of money that he ever took from the employees of Jersey City government and he had to pay it back because thats what the law says. The law is a whole lot deepera whole lot deeper. I decided to go back to Bouviers Law Dictionary and look up trustee and I found a much more in-depth explanation of trustee and its duties than you

will find in Blacks 4th, 5th, 6th and, of course, even less in the 7th and 8th editions. They dont even want the lawyers to be able to pick these books up and learn anything. Bouviers is still around but rarely ever bothered to be used but heres a couple of paragraphs under trustee. And this is not the beginning, this is something right in the middle of that section on trustees. Now, listen closely and see how this flows and combines executors with the rules of trustee. An executive or an administrator is a trustee in most cases. The book says: Investments by executors contrary to the requirements of the willnow, remember, a will can be something in writing that sets forth your desires for whats to be done with your property after your demise. But the word, will, is a lot more encompassing than just that. Every act that you do is an expression of your will at this momentkeep that in mind. So the requirements of what you established by your will at this moment have a lot of control upon the rest of your life. Investments that are done by an executor contrary to the requirements of the will upon mere personal securities are at their own risk. It doesnt bind you. Its at their own risk for what they do. This same paragraph goes on to say: A trustee is personally liable for trust funds invested in personal securitieslike bank securitiesof any kind and if invested in his own business for his own benefit he becomes an insurer of the fund back to the beneficiary and is guilty of neglect if he loans money on an unsecured note I wonder what kind of a note was given by General Motors Corporation for the money that was loaned by our trustees, the United States government out of taxpayer funds to General Motors Corporation a short time ago. Things like this could be investigated and breach of trust cases brought against government officials for those kinds of acts. But who really cares? Personally, I dont. Thats nowhere near as important as some of the other stuff that theyve done which as we read deeper into this youre going to learn that their acts with the birth certificate are an investment in securities that are absolutely a breach of their trust, even making private people register a birth certificate with the government is a breach of the trust and then beyond that, the things that they do with it to invest it improperly makes a larger breach of the trust. Anyway, it goes on to say in the paragraph: And is guilty of neglect if he loses the money on an unsecured note and it is stated as a universal ruleall governments, all legal establishments rely on this same rule related to truststhat a trustee cannot invest in personal securities even if he has a discretion under the trust instrument to do so he still cant do it. An investment in manufacturing companies is a breach of the trust. What did I just tell you about General Motors Corporation and the government using taxpayer funds? Thats our money and they invested it in a manufacturing company. Thats a breach of the trust. This is one interesting little example that just shows you how far out of control these governments are and how little knowledge they have of their position and what theyre supposed to be doing and they dont even care to learn. I dont know if you heard the news today but they had a reading of the Constitution in front of Congress today and most of the people left the room. They werent interested in listening. That shows you what kind of scum we have in office. Anyway:

Investments in bank stocks have been held proper and in shares of manufacturing and insurance companies. Trustees may use part of their funds in building on lands that are owned by the trust. It was said in an earlier case, Grey v. Fox, that the only security that is safe for a trustee is real estate. They can do those other things but its not good discretion on the part of a trustee to do those kinds of things because in those kinds of investments there can be losses. Real estate is about the only thing that doesnt lose. Ive told you the story about the house we had up in Baltimore. Back around 1973, 4, 5 I had gone to a realtor and asked him what the average sale value of the houses in that neighborhood was. At that time the price was $75,000 average. I went to a coin dealer and asked him if he could get me some junk coin and would he find out for mejunk coin means non-collectables, not rare coin but common print coin thats still availableif he could figure out for me just exactly how much of that type of coin that I could buy for $75,000. Interestingly enough he came back to me that in gold and silver the face value of what I could buy would amount $4, 250. Interestingly enough that house was built and sold brand new in 1923 for $4,200. There was a $50 differentialreal estate doesnt lose. Money loses but real estate doesnt. Anyway, investments in money, investments in banking, investment in securities, in bonds and things like that are very, very risky investments and a trustee should never do this. The government has done this with all of our property, our land deeds, our puppy dog registration, our automobile registrations, our business license registrations and most important our bodies and our labor through the registration of social security. They have breached the trust just by their conduct. Anyway, it goes on to say: An investment in savings bank stock is proper but not in a private banking partnership. This book is old. Bouviers Law Dictionary was back in the late 1800s was the last original printing of it. It was reprinted some time in the 1920s, I think. There were no changes in it in that printing. These cases are talking about when banks actually loaned gold and silver for you to buy a piece of property with or something like that. The concept of an investment then in the stock of a bank was a much more secure thing than it is today being as how, today, the only thing the bank is using is negotiable instruments and there is no real value in banks anymore. So, even though this might lead you to believe its alright to invest in bank stocks today, theyve become the personal securities that were talked about above that they cannot invest in. So youll find a little conflict in what youre reading here but you have to understand what time in history this was written but not in private banking partnerships, though. It was a very important statement because the government has invested our property in a private banking partnership called the Federal Reserve Bank. It says, but not in private banking partnerships. Penn v. Folger is the name of that case. Anyway, in the purchase and opening of a coal minetheyre not supposed to invest in something like thatany kind of a business really. The purchase and investing of building or opening a new businessvery poor investmentbut an individual, a private person like you and myself might have enough faith in an individual thats going to open up a business that we may invest with him. That is at our own risk. We may win, we may lose. And this

is why I always called our activity Gemini Investments because the symbol, Gemini, is a face going in opposite directions. Investments do that, they go in opposite directions. You dont know which way theyre going to go. Investments are risky but were not talking about you and I and what we would do with our own money. If you want to gamble on these dinardos, fine, play the game, you may lose but you may win fifty cents on your whole investment or you may win $100,000 on your whole investment. Its hard to say whats going to happen because you cant control what the rest of the world does. You just have to hope for the best. Thats fine. The point being made here is that a trustee such as the government has no power or right to invest in such things using our property and to do so is a breach of the trust and they have done so. And another thing it talks about here is in buying a patent right and manufacturing patents. Ok, evidently, there is some law regulation and it makes a reference to it here. It says, A trustee with absolute power which would be described in the trust instrument And when you think about the trust instrument that created this government it does not have absolute power because there are a lot of restrictions and limitations written into the Constitution and thats the document that created the trustthe Constitutionso they dont have absolute power as far as the government goes but in a trust document that, for instance, you may create giving your brother absolute power as a trustee to control everything being as how youre ill and dont think youre going to be able to control things and you trust your brother, well, as that type of a trustee with absolute power he may invest in other securities than those described by law, the proper investment for ordinary trustees but thats a very restricted function of a trustee to invest in such things. An investment in corporate stock is a breach of the duty and so is one in encumbered real estate such as a second mortgage. That a trustee acts under the advice of counsel is not an excuse to forgive him of his liability to make up for any loss that he caused you. Isnt that interesting? And theres a court case that backs that upin re Westerfield is the name of the case. And it goes on to say, When a trustee is wanting in common prudence and a loss to the trust results he must bear the loss. I read something in one of the other books too that says that when a trustee goes beyond his normal powers and authorities and binds the cestui que trust which means the beneficiary that only the trustee is liable. The beneficiary is not liable to make up for the wrongs or losses or costs that the trustee has caused by his improper acts. Isnt that interesting? Were not liable for anything this government has done to anybody because they have breached the trust by doing the things that theyve done and it might behoove you to remember this that they cannot pass their liability on to you because youre not the trustee. You are the beneficiary and theres a whole bunch of morons around this country talking about trusts and trying to tell people that youre the trustee. Theyre wrong. Well, you could be if you want to set up a trust and become the trustee of it but thats not what the story is related to government as a trust. Youre not the trustee, youre the beneficiary.

[caller] [Howard] [caller]

Howard, didnt Hillary Clinton pass that on to the Chinese? Pass what on to the Chinese? The debts of the US, well actually, of the American people.

[Howard] Hillary Clinton is liable for it then. Shes the trustee. What Im telling you is the law says that the beneficiary is not liable for the wrongful acts of the trustee. No matter what the trustee bound the beneficiary to the beneficiary is not liable to that bound agreement. [Dave] What Hillary Clinton passed to the Chinese was the eminent domain rights that she wrongly thinks the federal governments entitled to eminent domain over everybodys land if the deed is recorded. [Howard] I dont know what benefit that would give to the Chinese. What are they going to come over here and use eminent domain to condemn a whole city and have it torn down? That might be a good idea. I dont know why I didnt think of that before. Maybe we ought to use eminent domain and condemn all the cities that have the capital government locations in them and have them torn down under eminent domain. Apparently, the State of Maryland government has really pissed somebody off. Have you heard the news about that today? A bunch of letters that were sent that when they opened up the letters and sparks flew and smoke came outjust scary little letters. I think that they were just a warningthats what I think. I dont who did this, I dont know whos angry at the state but theyre trying to let the state know that were not happy with what youre doing. I hope the state takes the right attitude and say, we ought to check on what were doing and see if we can straighten this out. I doubt that they will. Theyre a bunch of idiot morons who will try to say that people out here in society are a bunch of terrorists. Theyll reverse it just like Pelosi and her comments about Congress being the trustee. The approach that those types of people take is that they can bind us to all kinds of deals like this health care deal where we have to pay a whole lot but this is for our goodtheyre acting as the trustee looking out for our best interests with the health care bill. [Dave] [Howard] [Dave] Big brotherPelosi knows what good for you. Yeah, whats good for us in their opinion. Wepolice and jails.

[Howard] They were looking out for us in 1913 when they established the Federal Bank {I guess thats why they sneaked down to Jekyll Island in great secrecy}. That was to our best interest because that would keep money flowing even in bad economic times. All they had to do was just lien against other assets and write more paper and circulate it to bring us out of debt. That was to our best interestno consideration that in the future that the inflation that that would cause would actually be to our devastation. {The congressmen

would be out of office and passed away down the road when the collapse occurred.} Anyway, Im jumping around from paragraph to paragraph, here, that I just happened to mark in what I was reading through for this one discussion about breach of the trust. There are many other pieces in this that are very important. Anyway, the next little paragraph was: Ordinarily the law will not permit a trustee to contract with his cestui que trust. A particular advantage to do so, he must first dissolve the fiduciary relation. Government cant dissolve the fiduciary relation and they cant contract with us for their advantage. {It seems that they prefer to ignore us, instead} Why in the hell do we have the Department of Motor Vehicles? Why do we have the Recorder of Deeds Office to put deeds in.? {Its called fleecing the sheep. We are poor little sheep who have gone to debtbaa, baa, baa. To wit: To the seating down in Congress To the place where our trust dwells To the dear old Temple BAR We love so well, (whoops) Sing the Assetpoofs assembled With their sights raised at us And the magic of their evil casts them down to hell. Yes, the magic of their signing Of the bills we love so well (whoops) Shall I wasting in my squalor and misplaced trust and the rest. We will serenade our Congressmen While life and voice shall last Then we'll pass and be forgotten (penniless) with the rest. We are poor little sheeple Who have lost our way. Bad Bad Bad Gentlemen Congressman off on spending spree Damned from here to eternity God have mercy on such as we Baa! Baa! Baa! ---- a Ketcham, Dewey, Cheatham, and Howe extravaganzaa poem for 21st century bankstered America}. Why do we have the building and permits office? They are contracting with us, the cestui que trust to their advantage. This is a breach of the trust. Almost everything theyre doing

is a breach of the trust. The rule is much more stringent, though, related to these so-called legal investments and it is extraordinaryit requires ordinary care and diligence of the trustee as well as the bona fides. Now, I had to look that up. To pass knowledge of bona fide like bona fide purchaser or something, that means the actual purchaser. And sure enough the definition says that but the definition said more than I thought that it would say about bona fide. Blacks Law Dictionary, 5th edition: Bona fide. It says, in or with good faith, honesty, openly and sincerely without deceit or fraud. Where in the hell are you going to find that today? Somebody just ran through a list of all the deceivers. The definition does go on to say, truly, actually, without simulation or pretense, innocently or in the attitude of trust and confidence without notice of fraud. Bona fide just doesnt mean the actual purchaser, actual seller, actual doer or actor of something. It means the actual doer or person has to do it with honesty with no deceit. Oh well, lets go back to this paragraph that contained that word. The rule is much more astringent and extraordinary care and diligence are required of the trustee as well as the bona fide and it is dangerous to invest trust funds in any other securities other than those indicated in the discussion and in the laws presented above but where there is no expressed power of sale given and where none such can necessarily be applied from the nature of the trustees duties the only safe means of challenging an insecure investment left so by the creator of the trust is to make the change under the direction of the proper court. If you can find a proper court. Remember that article that Dave was reading today. These courts are administrative, theyre not judicial and they havent been. Weve talked about that many times in the past too. Anyway: if you can find a proper court and if done without such authority will be liable to the cestui que trust for breach of trust. Everything that this government has done that we are fussing about, property tax being so extremely high and throwing people out of their home because they cant afford to pay property tax, traffic tickets on automobiles that are privately ownedyou were the bona fide purchaser for value of this property. That makes it your private property. They had no right to indulge themselves in your private property and make beneficial advances on that property and yet theyve done this to us. Every bit of this kind of conduct including your labor and extending the laws related to income tax which are valid laws under the Constitutional mandate that Congress shall have the power to lay and collect taxes on imposts, duties and excises. The entire Title 26 is constitutional as long as it is applied to imposts, duties and excises. To extend it beyond that to the private working man, small business and tax those people is a breach of the public trust. I think the answer rests in the law of trusts to all of these problems that weve been having. Termination of the trust, or the executor trustee or administrator trustee, I think thats a great idea. Just remove them as the trustee and then terminate the bastards. Oh, pardon me, I wasnt supposed to say that, was I? Anyway, the book goes on to talk about this a little bit further. It says:

Where a trustee has delegated his trust there is no question of primary and secondary liability in respect to the breach of the trust. Now, that is extremely important because if you sue some part of government today, theyre going to try to say, well, were not the government. The United States Postal Service is not a government organizationit is privately owned. It is contracted with government to do the governments job. So, the Congress of the United States who established this is liable for breach of fiduciary and trust duty and the entire post office is liable for it for anything that you can find that they have breached the trust in their conduct. The Federal Reserve Bank fits in the same position. They are secondary in the breach of trust. The government such as the president of the United States who signed it into law and every president who has maintained it up to todays president and the congress that is still maintaining it today are primary liable for the breach of trust. And the Federal Reserve Bank is secondary liable for the breach of trust for any of the acts that they have done to use our property and invest it in ways that we just read and talked about were not proper investments like securities. And what do you think bonds are? Bonds are securities and the whole money market is based on bonds. We could really get these people. All you need to do is get a couple of people together, study enough and put a small class action suit together for your state for where you live. If somewhere between fifty and a hundred people would send them a letter and threaten them with breach of trust suits if they dont straighten out what theyre doing. Give them ninety days to straighten it out and then file a suit. If enough suits came from enough different places I dont think Id have any trouble at all taking over Washington, D.C. because I think it would be vacated. I could just walk in and take over and say, ok, Im the dictator now, youre going to do what I say. And what I would say, were going back to live under the real purpose of this Constitution. There are a lot of people that wouldnt agree with that because financially its not beneficial to them. They cant cheat and steal if they live under the purpose of this Constitution so they would disagree with me. Anyway, another paragraphboy, I like what I see coming here Im telling you. If just a simple part of this could be put together in simple enough terms that the general population would understand what it was sayingand you people, youre very advanced. Youve been listening to these calls, youve been involved probably in a lot of court cases, things of that nature. Youve stood up. You people are way ahead of the average people out here in society. We would have to get this into simple enough terms that these average people who are not as aware as you are could quickly understand this. And, boy, if they did this whole system would either have to change itself which is what Id like to see it do. Id like to see honesty and integrity come back into government decent people go in there and take over an office. {Banksters never sleep}. Thats what Id like to see but I dont think thatll happen. Maybe Im just not confident that theres enough honest and intelligent and knowledgeable people {and armor plated people} to be able to take this over and turn it around the right way. Anyway, this next paragraph is real interesting too. It fits right in with what I was just saying. The trustee and also his personal representatives to the extent of any property received from the trustee is responsible in a suit for breach of the trust and will be compelled to compensate what his negligence has lost of the trust estate.

Why are we worried that China might come over here and try to take the country over. They cant do it under the law. Now, maybe they dont know that. But we could sure let them know real quick as long as we knew. This government had no right to do what it did. You fight with the people in government. You go get their property. Dont bother the rest of us. I dont care what they put up as collateral of our property, they had no right to do it. The only thing they could put up is their property. {Kind of reminds me of the sale of Manhattan by the Indians for a few beads etc. It sounded like the Indians got the short end of that deal. However, that tribe never owned Manhattan and got some nice looking beads with no loss to themselves.} Go get the presidents estate. Go get the congress peoples estates. Go get the lawyers estates. Go get the ones who were behind this. You cant touch the cestui que trustus. Anyway, next paragraph: The rule as to the right of the trustee to contribution from his co-trustee for loss by a breach of the trust for which both are equally to blame does not apply where one of the trustees is also one of the cestui que trust and has received an exclusive benefit by the breach of the trust. Yeah, Im sure that they would try to use that and say that, well, we gave you schools and hospitals and libraries and all kinds of wonderful benefits including unemployment and social insecurity. Weve given you all kinds of benefits and youre beneficiaries so you have shared in the breach of the trust that weve done because establishing social security was definitely a breach of the trust. Running the private libraries out of business and taking them over for government was absolutely a breach of the trust. Controlling the medical profession by establishing a drug racket and making all doctors pedal drugs and have a license from government to pedal drugs is definitely a breach of the public trust. {So is denying your own remedies for your own health}. But, yeah, they can claim we benefited from all this. We benefited from going to the doctor and the hospital because eventually the body mends itself. It just needs rest and thats what the hospital does, it gives you rest. The drugs dont really help except to cause you to rest {and fight off degenerating side effects of the drugs which will eventually destroy you and probably in synergism with the food supplys toxic additivesjust helping devolution along a bit. True benefits might be in opposition to the principles of eugenics.} Rest mends the body and the minerals that are in the food that you eat {as long as they are the good minerals and not such things as mercury, fluoride, barium etc.} Anyway, thats just part. I didnt read the whole thing because this thing is about six pages long just on the definition of a trustee. And I didnt even look to see how many pages it is on trusts. And in trusts the definition and explanation of trusts is only about 3 or 4 pages. All of this stuff that weve been talking about including Book 90 of Corpus Juris Secundum and the stuff that Ive found in there, Im going to have one or a couple of our girls that do work for us as I can afford to pay them retype this on the computer so that it can be put into, well, perhaps well hang it onto Daves People-rights website and put it on people_looking_for_the_truth yahoo group website. Put it on there and make this kind of information available for anybody wants it and then youd be able to download it. And that way youd be able to get it without buying the books or paying a lot of money for it. And Im not sure that we could sell this because books like Corpus Juris Secundum and Bouviers Law Dictionary are actually copyrighted books. So I dont think we have a right

to reprint anything and sell it and I dont want to. This is public information and it can be found. The public just has to have enough initiative to go where its located and dig it up and find it. The public doesnt have that much initiative because, first of all, theyre going to waste Sunday morning in some church. Then theyre going to waste Sunday afternoon watching ball games or basketball or some other silly shit. Theyre going to waste Saturday playing some kind of silly games with sports or something and then theyre going to work Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday and come home and prop their feet up and watch the stupid television all night. They have no initiative to do anything. There I just described the American population. [caller] Yeah, until they get in trouble.

[Howard] Oh yeah, and realize theyre in trouble. Yeah, then their mind changes a little bit once they get in trouble and realize theyre in trouble. Some of them are so stupid they dont realize theyre in trouble. So, for those who have an interest but wont get off the living room chair and stop watching the television, at least maybe youll go sit in your computer room and look this up on the computer and maybe youll take the time to read it. This fits so many of our problems. As a matter of fact I think it fits every one of our problems because everything that they are doing to us is a breach of the public trust. They cannot impede upon the rights of private property and theyre doing that. They cannot impede upon the bona fide purchaser for value. Thats you and I if we bought the property. Now, if the government bought it and gave it to you to use, thats theirs to control. You got to do what they tell you. If they give you welfare money you got to do what they tell you with the welfare money. Welfare is not the same as social security but you work for it. [caller] Case law, or public trust, do you have a list of the case law?

[Howard] Yes. Book number 90 of Corpus Juris Secundum is loaded with case cites backing up the statements related to the powers and rights of a trustee and then the section on the duties of a trustee. And that is like fifty or more pages long and very fine print. It doesnt even photocopy well much less would it ever scan well. Of course part of that could be because these are rather old books and the pages are yellowed somewhat so they dont even photocopy real well much less do they scan very well at all. So, like I said, Ill get these girls working on typing it up. I just got to come up with a few bucks to pay them because they need the. [caller] [Howard] [caller] Howard, do you ever listen to Rod Class? Yeah. Did you listen to the call last night?

[Howard] Im on conference calls myself Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday nights. I dont get a chance too often to get on those calls like that.

[caller] If you can go back and listen to his call last night that he had, they got the information you need out of Congressional library or Library of Congress or whatever. They got proof of everything they need to go after George Bush and Obama Theyre just looking for people to help. [Howard] [caller] But what are they going after them for, in what context? For breach of trust? Yeah, treason, tyranny

[Howard] No, no, no, no, no. I said, for breach of trust. You said, treason. They have no right to go after anybody for treasonnone whatsoever. The authority under the Constitution for prosecution for treason rests with Congress, the biggest treasonists there are. You have no authority. The courts have no authority to bring a treason case other than to be brought by Congress. So, throw that out and forget thattheyre wasting their time. Theyre just, theyre blowing smoke. [caller] sense. I really dont know how to explain it but if you go back and listen it makes

[Howard] Oh, Im sure that they have come up with probably a good bit of evidence because Rod Class has been doing some really deep research and hes come up with some very good stuff. The question is how do you use it? Hes just been blowing smoke filing cases in the court. They have been bouncing around from one court to another. The courts are not really addressing the issues in the case. Theyre driving him crazy with the way theyre doing it. Hes not really getting anywhere and I dont think hes going to get anywhere until he goes after them for breach of the trust. I just told you tonight what the answer is. Everything that theyre doing is dishonest. It is against the good of the American people and that is the opposite of what the Constitution established them to do. It put them in a trust position. It gave them a document to follow that they are not following and thats breach of the trust, very simply. We could throw this whole government out of this country but probably they have an idiot bunch of morons wearing uniforms that call themselves military that would get in our way so youd have to kill the military to do it and I dont think the military will live but a half an hour if the whole population of this country gets angry enough to do that. Somebody wrote and put this out. It went out over international news. Every country in the world heard about this. The biggest military force in the world, somebody concluded, was the American hunters. We have more ammunition and more guns here in American in the hands of hunters than any other military force anywhere in the world has. You think any country would have much of a chance of attacking this country and getting away with it even if our government just folded up and went home. No, no other country would have much of a chance. If this government attacks the American people they have no chance whatsoever. Like I said, their life expectancy will be about one half of an hour once they start something like that. But we can go after them in the courts and prevent thisI hope. First, this information that was started by David Clarence about removal of the executor, it has to be improved a little bit to include them as trustees and remove all government officials from their trustee position as administrator trustees or executor trustees. It matters not which one of those two words you use as long as you put

trustee after it. Just do that. Follow the directions of what he told you to do because his research or the research of that group that hes with came up with the right ideas and the right direction to follow to do it. They just didnt quite cover the procedure of putting it together in writing as far as they might have done, but theyre not far off. Theyre very close. And just remove them and then they lose any authority whatsoever over you. Thats one way. And the other way is get a couple of people together in a group like Rod Class has done and sue them for breach of the trust and get through to Rod Class to look into that area and bring the suits under breach of trust because thats where the answer is. Now, if you didnt get that point from tonights conversation then Id suggest that you go listen to Jean Keating or Winston Shrout or some of those other morons. [Dave] Hartford Van Dyke.

[Howard] Oh yeah, people like him. And what was the guy out in Washington State that had so much mouth about the military was going to help them to set up grand juries and stuffSam somebody. Go listen to those people. Theyre just playing games and blowing smoke and if thats what you like to blow smoke go listen to them. I told you that over all these years in the past Ive tried to be very nice toward these other people and not down anybody and that was a big mistake. If this countrys going to pull itself out youve got to learn and you got to learn what the truth is and where the facts are, not hogwash that a lot of these people are promoting. So, Im not going to be nice anymore. Anybody thats promoting a bunch of bullshit, Im going to let you know its bullshit. Rod Class is on the right track. Hes not full of bullshit. Im sure hes got a little bit mixed in there because we all make mistakes. We dont understand this. Theres some things that were not going to do quite correctly yet but Rod Class is going in the right direction. Ralph Winterowd, going in the right directionpay attention to what hes telling you about Well, hes lead right into what that article that Dave read to you tonight that there are no judicial courts in this country. Everything is administrative and they have no true administrative authority over the people. Mr. Winterrowd has uncovered that and exposed it and doing a good job of explaining it. Hes going in the right direction. When you got debt problems listen to Mickey Paoletta. He has researched debt and what to do about it and the rules of court and how to produce evidence and how to show that they didnt produce evidence. Mickeys teaching people in the right vein about how to avoid debts. Those few are about all that I can say good things for. The rest of them are blowing smoke. Theyre full of bull crap. [caller] Ill second that one. Rods just playing catch up. He thinks nobody told him all the ins and outs but Rod is just playing catch up because hes only been in it for a couple of years or however many. [Howard] Yeah, but you dont have to be in this for long. You just have to have common sense when you get into it. I said, year ago, give me a person off the street that has never heard anything at all about any of this stuff and I can explain it to him in ten minutes and hell understand it. Give me somebody whos been associated with the patriot community and Ill never get the point over to them. Theyve been sent out in so many wild goose chase stupid ass directions that their head is so cluttered up youll never be able to get through to them. What matters is the law of trusts and the conduct of these people in

government related to their execution of the trustthats what matters. Heres another this is under trusts: Where one by breach of the trust has obtained an advantage (over the beneficiary that is) equity will reach all directly concerned in the wrong and directly and knowingly participate in the fruits thereof. Trust funds held by the trust as an object themselves are not liable for the torts and wrongs of a trustee but the trustee is personally liable. This government is personally liable for all these things that theyve gotten us into. Go after them for it. Were just letting them get away with it. I dont like the idea of sending letters to government offices that ignite when they open the letter. Theres some stupid fool that works in that government office that has no idea that hes doing wrong. He really thinks that working for government is a good thing and he personally doesnt mishandle the trust. Hes just doing what some lawyer up above told him to do. Well, hes liable too according to the law but hes liable financially. Clean him out. Take everything hes got and remember his children are property and his wife is property or if its a woman her husband is property. Take them and put them to work on your property as a slave. Once they become your property theyre your slave. Make them work for you. Take everything these people have got. I really dont want their wives but just in case I end up with one I hope shes good looking because I cant stand ugly women. Im mean, arent I? I told a cop that one time. For what I just watched you do I could and very well may file law suits against you and if I do I know Im going to win. And when I win Ill be able to take every bit of property you got including your wife. If you got a marriage license that marriage license proves the property ownership between the two of you so I can take your wife as property and your children too. I said, I sure hope your wife is good looking because I cant stand ugly women. He gave me the dirtiest look. I dont know if he was upset because she is good looking or if he knows shes ugly. I never did what I threatened to do to him because he backed off, stopped doing what he was doing that was wrong. I love playing with these people in the past trying to find out what the story was. We found pieces like the rights of private property. The purpose of this Constitution from the very beginning had nothing to do with all these silly ass stories you hear about, religious rights, and stuff like that. Thats not what got this whole thing going. Read Boyd v. United States. That case goes back into 1856 and the first speeches that were given about the wrongs that were going on in this country by the king and the whole purpose was to secure our rights in our private property and thats what led up to the 1776 Declaration of Independence and the Revolutionary War. The right of private property, not religious rights, not any other foolish stuff you might find written somewhere about the story that cant be backed up. But you go look at the court case, the court case goes back into the history and documents those speeches and what it was all about and then went on to discuss in that case that that is the purpose of this government to protect an individuals private property. Of course, its not being done very well today so because its not being done then whats going on with the people that are now in government as trustees are breaching the public trust. Now we know how to go after them. Every one of these things that theyre doing is a breach of the public trust. As trustees they are liable to you. You better understand it before you try taking it into court. Thats why reading things like these definitions of trust and trustee out of Bouviers and the explanation of trust and the powers and rights of a trustee and the duties

of a trustee out of Corpus Juris Secundum will be extremely important for you to delve into and understand before you attempted to go after them and sue them. And if you dont do that and you dont sue them that way you will just be continuing to blow smoke like we have been doing for the last thirty years in this country with different people including me over the years posing suits against the government. They never went anywhere and the reason they didnt because we didnt address the issue correctly. We were picking at the leaves on a tree. We were not attacking the root of the problem. The trust is the root of the problem. The things that we learned of what they are doing wrong such as interfering with our private propertyactually, extorting not only property but wealth from us through a lot of their conduct. These are incidental evidences of the breach of the trust. But the primary thing is breach of the trust. As the weeks go onI think I said this last weekwe will be talking more and more about this. Well be going over specific sections out of things like the definition in Bouviers and that whole big section out of Corpus Juris Secundum and discussing how some of this stuff applies. We cant do it all in one night. This is gigantic. Just covering the breach of trust concept that was noted here in Bouviers tonight with several different paragraphs and enough discussion for one nightenough to take it a while to sink into my head while I was reading it several times. Itll take a while for what I explained tonight to sink into the peoples heads. Ill wrap this up by saying most people love a parade but not me. I love a riot so lets get one going. Its a lot more exciting than parades are and this would be a riot. I would love to go into the courts and stir up a riot with breach of the trust lawsuits. This would definitely be a riot and I love a riot. Its so much more exciting. Good night, all.