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GBC: Can we ask some quesGons? rla Gurudeva: You can ask and I can answer up to my knowledge; it may be wrong, it may be right. Pradyumna Prabhu (GBC): It seems to me that aWer the disappearance of rla Prabhupda, my spiritual master, I am pu[ng more trust in the caitya-guru within. Is this normal to do aWer the disappearance of your guru and how can we develop the ability to take guidance from Ka in the heart in order to help us serve our guru. I want to respect the advice of my godbrothers, but they have many dierent opinions. So, I try to surrender more also to caityaguru. I wanted to ask you about that. rla Gurudeva: My opinion is that guru is always within. But we have not seen. But his mercy and he himself is present to us, always giving mercy. So, I need to pray more to our beloved gurudeva. He is always present. As in the present Gme of your gurudeva, you were serving and wanGng guidance. This Gme also, you should not think that, our guru is not present, so we should go to our caitya-guru. Caitya-guru is always, and dk is always, present. So why should we not go to our dk-guru? There is no lackness of dk-guru. He is always present. But we should pray to him that you should reveal in our heart. Caitya-guru, without praying, he will do what he has to do. And he is Ka, He is always wanGng that all my dears should come to me. He is hankering to do mercy. So, I think it is beaer to pray to our gurudeva to reveal in our heart and he should give proper guidance in our heart how we could serve more and more to him. I think it is proper. And ik-guru can do; who is the mahanta-guru. Dk-guru is also mahanta- guru and ik-guru is also mahanta-guru. If one has ik-guru he should go to ik-guru, Gme to Gme and take advice what to do how to do, how to serve Rdh-Ka and guru. I think if we 1

are very honest to our guru he would certainly and certainly come in our heart and he will make see us.
GBC: Thats a very saGsfying understanding.

rla Gurudeva: I see that in r Bhad-bhgavatmta that thousands and thousands of years, lakhs and lakhs of years had passed, but yet gurudeva comes to Gopa-kumara; or rmaG Rdhik sends her near and dear Gopa-kumara to Jnana Sarma and they are eager to do mercy upon them. So, if our gurudeva is in that level and we are in the level of Jnana Sarma, or true devotees, Ka and gurudeva will surely have mercy upon us. We dont think this quesGon. Not a single Gme this quesGon has come to my mind because I have full faith in our guru. I always pray my gurudeva, that he should give me how I can serve him. How he can have parama-pururtha. Do you know this term?
GBC: Yes, last goal, yes.

rla Gurudeva: Yes, last goal. Yesterday we were reading r Bhad-bhgavatmta. rla Santana Gosvm is telling that we pray for the dust of lotus feet of Ka; but not only the dust of the lotus feet of Ka. The lotus feet of Ka should have kumkum; kumkum you know? The color the gops used to have on their breast and they have kept Kas lotus feet on their breasts and that color, kumkum, has aaached to His lotus feet and it has been colored and the dust of that color I want to put on my head. This is the last parama-pururtha of any jva at any Gme. There is no beaer any pururtha the for jva beaer than this. rla Santana Gosvm, rla Rpa Gosvm and r Raghuntha Dsa Gosvm (wanted to give this). So, gurudeva and Ka are also eager always to give these things, utmost highest things. If the jva has so much qualicaGons, then he can have, otherwise not. At least this wish should be in the heart of any sdhaka. GBC: Can I ask another quesGon? I came to see you in Nana in 1986 and I asked you if it was 2

alright to admit to my disciples that I had made some mistakes. At that Gme the mistakes were that I was si[ng on a vyssana the same level as rla Prabhupda and taking a big Gtle like gurupada and si[ng above my own godbrothers. So, you told me that if I admiaed that these were mistakes my disciples would not lose faith in me but they would appreciate the honesty as humility. So, since then I tried to be very open and honest with disciples and godbrothers also. If I feel some envy or some bad thing I admit it; but some of my godbrothers say that I may mislead disciples if I am too open. For example a few years ago I read some books by ChrisGan saints so rather than keep it private I told that I am doing this. So, my quesGon is should there be a private life that should be kept private and secret or should a sdhu be as open as possible in regard to things like admi[ng mistakes but also revealing your mind and also...uhyour inGmate realizaGons. What is the relaGon of the secrecy and truthfulness. rla Gurudeva: Some principles, or some things, are subject to hide and some things are for open. We should always think that we should not be harmful for lowers or sons or disciples. As we are pracGcing rgnuga-bhak= for example, it should not be open to all, it must be kept secret, only to those who are qualied persons we can tell something. Not all our sphr=s, inner realizaGons, should be told to them because it may cause to their fallness. Similarly, uhso many things can be...that if we can tell everything they are not in the posiGon to take it in a beaer way so we should keep it secret. And something which is good for them according to their grade we can tell them. And if you and they are in the same level, as a friend you can tell you may not tell. Everything which we realize should not be told to openly in general mass. Always we should be careful for this. apana sadhana kotai na kohibe jata kotai In r Caitanya-caritmta it has been told that you are pracGcing bhak=-yoga and if you have some realizaGons you should not tell other persons in general mass because it will be like 3

camphor; it will evaporate like camphor; so you must think about the qualicaGon of iks, whether it is harmful or not. In my idea, as vaiava should keep secret something, it has been told: sleeping, eaGng, drinking, bhajana, sadhana If anyone in the general mass will see, they will think, Oh, we are all the same. So, it may harm them. Everything should not be told. If it is for benet of disciples
GBC: What about the benet of the person? Does it ever benet him to disclose something?

rla Gurudeva: Huh?

GBC: You speak of the benet to the disciples, what about the person who is withholding something? SomeGmes to be honest he will benet like the original Gme when you said, Yes, tell your disciples that you made a mistake. So, that Gme I didnt keep a secret.

rla Gurudeva: If by keeping secret that benet is there, we can do. But we should always be careful that our heart and vyavahra and vicra, inner and outer, should be one. Ehwe should not have any incorrect connecGon with a lady. If I have any illicit connecGon then we will have to hide. So we should not have any illicit connecGon with anyone so that I will have to hide. So we should not do anything so that we may have to hide. Only bhajana and sdhana should be there.
GBC: And I had some quesGons about rgnuga-bhak=. Um in some of the gauya-vaiava sampradyas they pracGce rgnuga-sdhana even when the disciple is not yet perfect. So, rla Prabhupda, as I read in his books, he indicates this too, to some degree, but he doesnt teach it specically in terms of how to know your eternal rasa with Ka. Um, there is a an impression among the devotees in ISKCON, many of them, most of them I would say, that to culGvate rgnuga-bhak= is not necessary in order to go back to godhead. And they think like this: "This is how you can go back to godhead: if you work hard in ISKCON, even if you dont know what is your rasa with Ka , you will go to Ka aWer death and then everything will be revealed to you then. You already have a specic rasa but you dont know it. It will be awakened within you by service to guru.

rla Gurudeva: This is to misguide, certainly. And to taunch (editor: unsure of meaning of taunch). This is certainly a wrong siddhnta.
GBC: Maybe envious siddhnta.

rla Gurudeva: This should not be taught. Without rgnuga-bhak= we can not go to Ka. Certainly. If anyone does not know sambandha-jna, he is full of anarthas, by serving and by increasing income one can not go in ko, ko years and never will go to Ka; in my opinion and in stra opinion. He should do bhak=. Then it will be very cheaper for us. Then at once Ka concsciousness, leaving all these things; but I think this is to misguide. They are ruining themselves and all persons. Ka consciousness is for serving Rdh and Ka, not for ISKCON. ISKCON is to teach how we can serve Rdh and Ka and gurudeva. Guru and Ka will not teach a person not to serve them and to serve ISKCON. So I don't think so. Gauya Vednta SamiG or ISKCON, or anything, is to serve Ka and Rdh. So, rgnuga-bhak= must be followed. We certainly follow rla Rpa Gosvm. Without following rla Rpa Gosvm a man with thousands and krodas chan living in ISKCON only, having no sambandha-jna, no bhajana, he will never but he will fall at once, like (person's name) and all others.
GBC: Then I want to ask about the pracGce of rgnuga-bhak=.

rla Gurudeva: I think some will be angry with me.

GBC: For your answer? (laughter) Maybe

rla Gurudeva: Why asking me these quesGons?

GBC: Well, it is important because someGmes when we express interest in Rdh and Ka devotees say well, that is too elevated for us.we justanother expression is.

rla Gurudeva: What is the duty of ISKCON?

GBC: They say just work in the sakrtana movement and even if you have material desires at the Lord Caitanya will come and bring you back to godhead.

rla Gurudeva: I think(laughter)this is to teach persons and devotees how to get Ka and Rdh's service. This is the main object of ISKCON and that is why rla Prabhupda, your gurudeva, went to the western countries by the order of his spiritual master. There have no any ambiGon other than to serve Rdh and Ka and Caitanya Mahprabhu. 5

GBC: But if you distribute a book, isnt that serving Rdh and Ka? Or clean the temple?

rla Gurudeva: (light laughter: hehe). This can be general sev so that we can teach the world how to serve Ka, for this it can help like we are doing jna, sacrice. We are bringing ghee, wood, bricks, sand, cement, this can be bringing all these things collecGng all these things may be called sacrice but it is not sacrice; svh "I am giving myself, whole thing to the lotus feet of Ka." That is sacrice. If it is not done, bringing and doing and laboring, everything is not sacrice. In this manner, if you are doing sakrtana-jna for Rdh and Ka to please Rdh and Ka or to serve Rdh and Ka Caitanya Mahprabhu , then if anyone is cleaning the oor, not cleaning, he is also cleaning the vicana of any vaiava, it is bhak=.
GBC: Vicana?

rla Gurudeva: Latrine, like Naroaama dsa hkura cleaned the latrine of his gurudeva
GBC: Oh yes...

rla Gurudeva: So, anything, any acGvity or endeavor or gesture or prana, mana, vacana, anukla for Ka, it is called uCam bhak=. Not only sakrtana, sakrtana is best, nama- sankirtana, but anything, any wish, any mental thing, any acGon, either physical or mental, will be bhak=,
GBC: If the bhava...

rla Gurudeva: if bhak= is there. And to read bhgavata and to serve arcana will be against bhak= if you are going against the principles; If you are doing arcana if you are doing bhgavata-kath you are preaching for yourself, or wife and children, then it will be against bhak=. To read bhgavata and to do arcana also. So, it depends on this heart. So, I think that we must follow rla Rpa Gosvm he (rla Prabhupda) has come to preach the principles of rla Rpa Gosvm, ri Caitanya Mahprabhu, rla Svarpa Damodara Gosvm and Rmnanda Rya only. And for the beaerment (of society) he established ISKCON to preach the service of 6

Rdh and Ka Caitanya Mahprabhu. If they are not preaching correctly we should leave at once this society. And if they are doing service we should all thank. I also think, I am in the Gauya Vednta SamiG, in a moment when I will see that they are not serving Ka I will at once leave this Gauya Vednta SamiG. I have not come to see Gauya Vednta SamiG, but I have come to see that they are all serving to Ka and Rdh. rla Rpa Gosvm has wriaen in r BhakG-rasmta-sindhu-bindu, Ujjvala-nlamai and others, how a jva, a condiGoned soul, can come towards Ka and can achieve the highest thing highest service of Rdh and Ka. So, we certainly must adopt all these things. If they are adopGng and doing we should certainly follow ISKCON; but if they are not we can think more.
One thing also, you have quesGon? What rpnuga-vaiava? GBC: In the gauya-vaiava sampradya do they pracGce rgnuga-sdhana even in the intermediate or neophyte stage?

rla Gurudeva: Here we can see that whether he is a wretched person, he has no ability, he is a roaen person, but yet he has greed by the grace of a rasika vaiava by reading rmad Bhgavtam and by hearing rmad Bhgavtam he is able to do rgnuga-bhajana. Someone may say that he is not pious, his soul is not pure, he has no satya, sama, dhama and all these qualiGes, he is hankering aWer women, do you understand? And he has some bad society or anything. Like Bilvamagala hkura, he was not a good person, but anyhow he had a greed by the mercy of Ka Himself as a caityaguru, or by the grace of Cintmai who always used to do very sweet songs about Ka and Rdh; and by his gurudeva, Somagiri. Anyhow he has greed and that greed in a very roaen condiGon yet he went so high. There should be greed and this is availability for doing rgnuga-bhajana . Whether he is a wretched person or not or he is a pure soul or anything only he should have greed, and that greed should be actual greed. Then he can do rgnuga-bhajana and by bhajana his all things will be clean. In rmad 7

Bhgavtam vikrita vraja-vadhbhir ida ca vio raddhnvito 'nuuyd atha varayed ya bhaktim par bhagavati pratilabhya kma hd-roga v apahinoty acirea dhra

[Anyone who faithfully hears or describes the Lords playful affairs with the young gopis of Vrndavana will attain the Lords pure devotional service. Thus he will quickly become sober and conquer lust, the disease of the heart. (Srimad-Bhagavatam, 10.33.39)] At rst bhak= comes and all these evil things (go away); but greed must be pure and qualied and actual greed real greed.
GBC: May I ask more about that? I met a person recently, his name is Gaddhara pra he was a disciple of Lalit Prasda, the son of rla BhakGvinoda hkura. So he was in ISKCON then he leW. He was telling me that in his sampradya, now, they pracGce rgnuga-sdhana. He said in ISKCON you only pracGce vaidhi-bhak= you have to pracGce sdhana even when you are not perfect but to bring this greed. So, they have this prali and they mediate on Kas aa-klya-ll so he was advocaGng or preaching that you should bring this into ISKCON.

rla Gurudeva: No, we should not follow that. We know Lalit Prasda, he has no greed he has only kma. So, Prabhupda BhakGsiddhnta Sarasvav hkura, knowing this, he refused that person. We know these things and our gurudeva also refused that person.
GBC: What would be our answer though? What is our pracGce of rgnuga-sdhana if not what they do?

rla Gurudeva: We are doing sdhana bhak=, vaidhi bhak=.

GBC: We are.

rla Gurudeva: By doing this and by the grace of guru and Gaurga, or any rasika vaiava, we will hear the pasGmes of Ka. It is not sure, but we hope that we will have certainly greed. 8

And then we will be advanced. We will not follow sahajiy vaiava. This should come from upper side. Not ascending, it should be descending from vaiava or Ka jna or from Ka. As rla Rpa Gosvm has told, they are distribuGng rgnuga-bhajana. Devotees are not going and they have no greed to serve Rdh-Ka but they are distribuGng. A devotee must have greed then they should be told. They should be mercied. But they have not seen that I have also no greed and these disciples have no greed and they are distribuGng like fruits. This is not right.
GBC: Not so cheap.

rla Gurudeva: Not so cheap.

We should not follow we can not follow these things. I have seen so many persons have been ruined. This greed will take this man very upper, like rla Vivantha Cakravarv hkura, Jva Gosvm, Naroaama dsa hkura and rla BhakGvinoda hkura. How elevated. So we should always do what our guru has told. What rla Rpa Gosvm has told Jva Gosvm, rla Vivantha Cakravarv hkura, rla BhakGvinoda hkura, rla Prabhupda, our gurudeva, we must follow. We have siddha pranali, they have no siddhi pranali. GBC: We have siddhi pranali?

rla Gurudeva: Certainly. td api su-ncena taror via sahiun amnin mna-dena krtanya sad hari ["One who thinks himself lover than the grass, who is more tolerant than a tree, and who does not expect personal honor yet is always prepared to give all respect to others can very easily always chant the hold name of the Lord" ( di 17.3, Antya 6.239, Antya 20.21)] This is siddha pranli. They are not following all these pranali. They are taking by cheap, very cheap. Without being so. By gathering so many ladies and by pracGcing. Like r Raghuntha 9

Dsa Gosvm, rla Gaurakiora Dsa Bbj Mahrja, how vairgyamrga. But I think rla BhakGsiddhnta Sarasvav hkura and rla BhakGvinoda hkura they are more vairgya mrga than rla Gaurakiora Dsa Bbj Mahrja. In my opinion.
GBC: More vairgya.

rla Gurudeva: More vairgya. But this requires some heart and mind to know these things. Anything more?
Govardhana-sil.

GBC: I have a personal request. I wanted to ask your permission if I could begin to worship the

rla Gurudeva: You have requested me?

GBC: I am requesGng you.

rla Gurudeva: First you have requested me?

GBC: First? Now I am. Never before.

rla Gurudeva: (unintelligible) What should I do?

GBC: Does that mean I can go to the Govardhana hill and take one stone?

rla Gurudeva: My permission you want. (unintelligible) guru.... rla Gurudeva: If you like you can do.
GBC: Does that mean I can go to the govardhana hill and take one stone?

rla Gurudeva: If by the permission of guruji. Why you are not going towards bhva-bhak=?
GBC: Why I am not...?

rla Gurudeva: Following or going towards bhava bhak=

GBC: I think maharaji thinks worshiping Govardhana will bring him in that direcGon. GBC: I can not understand why he asked at that point.

rla Gurudeva: You should know Hindi or Bengali because I can't express fully my idea so there are somerla Rpa Gosvm...rla BhakGvinoda hkura, what has he done? The last saptam gosvm, what has he done? 10

GBC: rla BhakGvinoda hkura? What are his acGvies?

rla Gurudeva: Yes, towards arcana.

GBC: I know he wrote many books.

rla Gurudeva: No, what acGviGes has he done towards arcana. He used to do arcana?
GBC: I dont know his arcana acGviGes.

rla Gurudeva: rla Gaurakiora Dsa Bbj Mahrja, he used to do arcana?

GBC: ChanGng

rla Gurudeva: No, no, no. he used to do arcana or not?

GBC: I dont know.

rla Gurudeva: You dont know? Your gurudeva, used to do arcana or not?
GBC: Not personally, no.

rla Gurudeva: Not personally?

GBC: In the temples he installed many dieGes, arc-vigraha. No, not very. for a few years.

rla Gurudeva: Always?

GBC: No

rla Gurudeva: Like you are going to do? You want to take Govardhana-sil and when you take it you will have to always do arcana. You will have to do? Or will you give it to any devotee?
GBC: No.

rla Gurudeva: Your gurudeva has done like this?

GBC: No, maybe not. rla Gurudeva: Why he has not done? GBC: Why he did not pracGce arcana? I dont know his mind, but you might say he was

rla Gurudeva: There are two kinds of sev to Rdh-Ka, one by arc-vigraha, by water and owers and all these things and other is bhva-sev, bhva-pupa. Bhva is their owers and love is their water. Theire inner bhvas are upta-karanas of sev internal ingredients. They 11

have done like so.

GBC: Yes, that was their arcana.

rla Gurudeva: So, the arcana of r Raghuntha Dsa Gosvm was not arcana but it was bhva-sev. How sev? When he sees Govardhana he at once goes inner and sees Rdh and Ka. He only prays to Govardhana with tulas that I should serve Rdh and Ka and only the lls in Rdh-kua in mid-day. This is bhva-sev. What he has wriaen in Vilapa-kusumanjali or all other prayers in Vraja-vilasa-stava he used to mentally all these sevs. Rdh and Ka is there and he is seeing that, "I am preparing garlands, tambule, camphor, chandan, aguru and so many things and giving at the need Gme in certain sev. He was trying to do. But we are not so high. So, we should do this arcana also. So, you can, if you want, you can do. But you should always try to enter in bhva-sev, praying by uaering the lokas of Vilapa-kusumanjali, Vraja- vilasa-stava, r Upademta, Caitanya ikaka all these things.
GBC: Not just the outer formality of arcana.

rla Gurudeva: I think that if every person, having a mood that I should worship Girirja with me, whether I am in Western countries or Southern countries or hither and thither, and if everyone will take every sil of Girirja, then what will be the condiGon of Govardhana (Laughing)? There will be no sign of Girirja Govardhana. So, it has been told in the Puras that if you want to take it keep an equal weight in gold there and then you should take; And (only) by the order of your spiritual master or in his absence there should be any high grade of vaiava. So, many Govardhana-sils and new devotees, they are very fond of worshipping Girirja Govardhana. They brought without telling anyone they brought from there. And aWer two, three, four months, there comes any disturbance or anything, they keep it here without (break in tape) Nma-sakrtana should be followed and service in heart. If these are two everything is 12

there and if not there nothing is there. r Hari-bhakG-vilasa is for ghastha-bhakta not for (unintelligible) and in this r Hari-bhakG-vilasa, arcana, sacrice and all these things are there. And then aWer reading r Hari-bhakG-vilasa in ghastha.(break in tape)they should obey all these things and if they are mature they should read all these things and they should be vairg- vaiava and follow bhva-sev and follow rla Rpa Gosvm and all others. Anything more?
GBC: No.thank you.

rla Gurudeva: In my wordings, what is favorable for you, you can take it, and what is unfavorable you should reject. Tamal Ka prabhu wanted to take one Govardhana-sil for Texas.
GBC: I heard. A very big one.

rla Gurudeva: He told that, Yout should give me. I told that, "I will not give, you can take. The
responsibility will be upon you. If anything goes against and not in service; aWer Wy years if he has no good disciple, able disciple, that disciple will take Girirja Govardhana and will throw in the sea. We should think for abhieka also. GBC: Yes

rla Gurudeva: Are you thinking about worshipping Girirja-Govardhana?

GBC: No, now I am thinking about it. I am not so eager.

rla Gurudeva: If you are so eager I am not going to disturb you. You can take a liale and serve.
GBC: Your words make me think, I have to think more.

rla Gurudeva: (break in tape) ...SarasvaG and your gurudeva, my gurudeva, ehwere not in a mood that in this present Gme all are hankering for rgnuga-bhak=. They wanted that in a proper way we should go. By real bhak= vaidhi-bhak= we should go. And if greed comes, it is so much beaer. So much beaer. So Bhagavn. But without greed we shold not think all these pas[mes. It should come in proper way. A greed by pracGce will not come, by reading it will not 13

come. I love a lady. I saw a lady and I loved her. No reason, nothing. So the service of by their gops or sakha they hearing the pasGmes and by past saskra. Do you know saskra? GBC: Previous impressions in the heart. rla Gurudeva: By that a greed comes. By any acGviGes, greed can not come. It will come itself. But by the associaGon of a rasika vaiava and hearing the ll-kath by rasika vaiava. Without a rasika vaiava it will not come. If Ka does mercy He will do through the rasika vaiava. See. And if a rasika vaiava son comes he can not adopt it, otherwise we have no saskra. We will not recognize him, "Who is he?". So, we should follow faithfully vaidhi- bhak=. The principles of vaidhi-bhak= and rgnuga-bhak= of the heart are not dierent, they are the same same r-prahrda uvca ravaa krtana vio smaraa pda-sevanam arcana vandana dsya sakhyam tma-nivedanam iti pusrpit viau bhakti cen nava-laka kriyeta bhagavaty addh tanmanye 'dhtam uttamam

["Prahlda Mahrja said: 'Hearing and chanting about the transcendental holy name, form, qualities, paraphernalia and pastimes of Lord Viu, remembering them, serving the lotus feet of the Lord, offering the Lord respectful worship with sixteen types of paraphernalia, offering prayers to the Lord, becoming His servant, considering the Lord's one's best friend, and surrendering everything unto Him (in other words, serving Him with the body, mind and words)these nine processes are accepted as pure devotional service. One who has dedicated his life to the service of Ka through these nine methods should be understood to be the most learned person, for he has acquired complete knowledge.'" 14

(SB 7.5.23-24, Madhya 9.259-260)] or sdhu-saga, nma-krtana, bhgavata-ravaa mathur-vsa, r-mrtira raddhya sevana ["One should associate with devotees, chant the holy name of the Lord, hear rmad-Bhgavatam, reside at Mathur and worship the Deity with faith and veneration." (Madhya 22.128)] (They are both the) same in vaidhi-bhak= and same in rgnuga-bhak=, but the moods are dierent; thinking and hearing and chanGng are dierent. In vaidhi-bhak= Prahlda- charitra, Uddhava-sambandha, not Sandesh, Uddhava-sambandha in the 11th Canto, DevahuG-Kapila sambandha, (another) asura and all other things. These are anukla for vaidhi-bhak=. So ravaa this should be so. Any rgnuga-ravaa is another (unintelligble) r Caitanya- caritmta, rmad Bhgavatam tenth canto, the books of rla Rpa Gosvm, rla Santana Gosvm, and all those things, Jayadeva Gosvm, all these according to our greed. Krtana, krtana is the same, but that krtana, vaidhi-bhak=-krtana, the krtana of Naroaama dsa hkura and rla BhakGvinoda hkura and all others, was primary aragaG, Kalyana Kalpataru and all those things. We can do krtana of all these and in rgnuga, Naroaama dsa hkura's Lalasamayi, and Anuragamayi and all these. So, we will have to follow the vaidhi- bhak= also and if he is rgnuga he should follow also the principles of vaidhi-bhak=.
rla BhakGvinoda hkura has wriaen vaidhi-bhak= raka jane / sva-vinota ratna-gane /raga-marge karena-pravesa/ (unknown verse) "those who will heartly follow the principles of vaidhi-bhak=, heartly he should do, then Ka and Ka's servants will do pravesa in rgnuga-mrga; by their mercy that devotee will enter in rgnuga. (Break in tape. Tape become unclear aNer minute 54.00) rla Gurudeva: These are ve books. r BhakG-rasmta-sindhu-bindu, Ujjvala-nlamai, r Bhad- Bhgavatmta and Rga-vartma-candrik. Those who want to be gaudiya vaisnava, caitany mahaprabhu taught, they should adopt bindu kirankar and Rga-vartma-candrik. What means Rga-

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vartma-candrik? Rga-vartma-candrik: Chandrika is coming from Rdh and Ka and it is making signing the way of rag. GBC: I read something you spoke in English and he typed on that. Like a translaGon. Very wonderful.

rla Gurudeva: Madhura-kana meaning, do you know the meaning? Do you know Hindi?
GBC: Uhshower of nectar?

rla Gurudeva: Mdhurya, mdhurya-rasa, and if rains nectar, this nectar comes from ri Caitanya Mahprabhu and comes to rla Vivantha Cakravarv hkura and from him the shower of nectar comes. These ve books to commentary, with commentary. This kind with comment.
GBC: You have begun?

rla Gurudeva: Not now, but I want. Vmana Mahrja and all other members are telling me to
translate r Caitanya-caritmta and rla Vivantha Cakravarv hkura's Gita and rmad Bhgavatam some but I have no Gme at all to do all these things. It requires a lot of energy which I have not a lot of energy or anything. I could do it but a very precious thing. GBC: DisGll the essence of everything; all the big works are coming into recourse of rla Vivantha Cakravarv hkura. GBC: Maharaja, last Gme you spoke to me you encouraged me to pracGce arcana inside, not external arcana; I want to learn more how to do that internal arcana. Too many years I have been doing external.

rla Gurudeva: You can conGnue but you should also do like our gosvms.
GBC: If I am chanGng means to say Hare Ka / Hare Ka is the external part but what is internal? Think of Ka?

rla Gurudeva: So many things. All these are external. ChanGng harinma and being in Vndvana
in Rdh-kua in especially...and praying, not now, you should think but you should pray that we should have it. It has been wriaen here in r BhakG-rasmta-sindhu-bindu. Bhajan-aga... GBC: ...Bhajana-aga, parts of raganuga...

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greed. Greed has no reason. It does not require any reason why. Greed is greed. Seeing beauGful dieGes of Rdh-Ka very lovely, in the mood of dieGes or hearing the pasGmes of Ka by vaiavas; upper room we have very (details) regarding rmad Bhgavatam especially the tenth canto and the books of gosvms. We can have it. Then we should do to quench our greed. This can be found only in stra or in the heart of vaiavas. These are the ve kinds of reasons of how to enter. TaC tat bhava maiya. Tat bhava maiya, do you know? Bhava maiya some are bhva-sambandh related to bhva. Some are bhva- maiy means nta, dsya, sakhya vtsalya and mdhurya bhva-maiy. We will have to chose upon what our duty is; according to that. We will think Ka and His associates of that bhva. So this is bhva- maiy and bhva-sambandh, related to that bhva GBC: Hearing and chanGng.

rla Gurudeva: I am explaining and sat bhava anukula tat bhava anuki not adverse and some are tata bhava pra=kula we should not adopt and forced we should adopt. Among these, to think about dsya, sakhya, vtsalya and having greed to enter among. We should always think about Ka and His associates like if we want mdhurya-rasa we will have to follow Rpa- majar and all others and always chanGng and remembering, Oh, Ka. These are bhva- maiy. The prema-kalpa-taru all these bhvas right? Always thinking and worship like this like rasika mood. In morning you are si[ng, about 6 or 5, thinking: I am going to Yamun, Ke-gha, and I am taking bath and in svaran-karnas I am taking bath, in golden pot, like Indians, and I am also sakhya, sakhya means Sudhama, or I am vtsalya, or I am Yaod's very near and dear or I am any ds of Rdh. I have brought water from there from Rdh-kua, Mnas-gaga, or water from Ganges near Varkana-ghata. In front of Mypur, in front of where ri Caitanya Mahprabhu played drums and I am Ka. He will give you varkana so that if you worship me I will give you words that you will have very beauGful husband and if you dont worship me your husband will be old one, very blackish. So, 17

this is Varkana-vata. Very, very near and dear to ri Caitanya Mahprabhu. Or any gha of Navadvpa where ri Caitanya Mahprabhu used to play with boys and to take bath in Ganges. From there I will take. But in Ka ll it is very good to take bath in Yamun, or Mnas-gaga or Rdh-kua, yma-kua, mana-sarovara or prema-sarovara and other places. If you want to worship as the gops and do arcana how arcana? If you can go to Javana, it is very good. rmaG Rdhik is there. You should make bath for her there, as if I am bathing and doing arcana if you want you can have a very golden temple, where Rdh-Ka are there. I am cooking myself. AWer doing arcana not so and giving to Rdh-Ka and aWer doing ra= and other things at last give rest. When, aWer giving owers, pupa-ajali, and we can again all the Gme read Ka and do all these things. These are bhvaa; according to our bhva and according to Gme we should do all these things. Perhaps you have heard the story in Padma-Pura, or any Puras, that there was a man who went to hear rmad Bhgavatam, or any Pura, and he was hearing that Puras a story, that there was a brhmaa who wanted to do arcana of Nryaa but actually he had no mandira no anything. That brhmaa heard that mentally we can do arcana. So, hearing he prayed how. AWer taking bath he sat down facing east and began to do arcana. He went to Ganges, took bath in Ganges, he brought water in colors. In temple. Temple was golden. Diety was very shining. Nryaa and Lakm. He did arcana by mind. And aWer that he went to cook room and cooked sweet rice and took it in a golden cup but it was, what? He put his nger to see if it was so warm or not; but it was so warm and when he put it in his nger his nger had a blister. In Vaikuha Nryaa began to laugh. Lakm said, Why are you laughing? He said, In that tri-loka one of my devotees has given me sweet rice and he put his nger in there to see how how it was and his nger has been burned and he has a blister. She said, I want to see that devotee. Nryaa then told that devotee, "You will have to go to 18

Vaikuha." So by mind it can be done and all our aa-klya-ll smaraa is according to this. If a man does all these things then this means our hand is out of indriya. Mind is indriya, so we will have more things by doing hands than by . Because it is the thing of all indriya. So, a smaraa wants one. If mind is sama and it is in immersed in Ka consciousness it is beaer than outer indriya so our gosvms have discovered all these things to worship Rdh and Ka. So, this can be done. All the things we are doing by indriya we can do it by mind also. We can go in a place where all these things arent available but by mind it is always possible. A man can steal all these things. They can take vigraha also, but they can not steal our mind. So, ri Caitanya Mahprabhu has by mind also so much superior. But we should do also by these indriya also. And for kalikala chanGng of nama and remembering the pasGmes it is more superior
GBC: More superior than?

rla Gurudeva: ...than other pracGcing. ChanGng of name and remembering of pasGmes of Ka and their parikara is more superior. And that should be our ulGmate goal. So, he has wriaen how sambandh-bhva-maiy at rst. What is the meaning of bhva-maiy? Bhva means to remember Ka and his associates in Gopla-mantra svaha gopi janasvahathis is bhva which we are going to take or we are going to Ka this is bhva.
GBC: The way we wish to worship Ka.

rla Gurudeva: ...and Rdhik gop jana vallabha. Ka is vallabha of gops. Now I am giving myself as a gop and keeping that gop vallabha is our vallabha. This bhva is svaha; sva means myself ha means we are giving in purnamur=. Purnamur= you know? Means in sacrice we give all things. So, we are giving myself in the lotus of gops and vallabha as my vallabha. rmaG Rdhik is our worshipful diety and we are maidservants of rmaG Rdhik. So his vallabha will be my vallabha and her bhva is my bhva. Now, I am giving everything to the lotus feet r 19

Rdhik and gop jana vallabha Ka. This is bhva-maiy paramadhura rsa. Subala and rdhama and their bhva are bhva-sambandh-maiy. Understand something? GBC: Yes, I do. rla Gurudeva: Bhva, bhva-maiy, and now bhva-sambandh. From shelter of guru padapadma from there to ik and dk, both, and aWer that ik and dk means everything comes and then visvama-hena guro sev means with bhva, we should serve Ka with gurudeva keeping very away, fear that he is most superior and I am most wretched. Being on the same level I am very near and dear this is called visvam-bhva. Visvama-hena guro sev what he wants, we should do. We should always be in a mood that we should make to his order with heart this is visvama-hena guro sev. These are ten, ten of 64. These are bhva-sambandha-gita they were bhva, bhva-maiy and bhva sambandha. Without this we can not enter. Remembering of gurudeva is not remembering of Ka but yet remembering of gurudeva in spite of gurudeva but gurudeva knows. nikuja-yno rati-keli-siddhyai y ylibhir yuktir apekany tatrti-dkd ati-vallabhasya vane guro r cararavindam [r Gurudeva is always present with the sakhs, planning the arrangements for the perfection of yugala-kiora's amorous pastimes (rati-keli) within the kujas of Vndvana. Because he is so expert in making these tasteful arrangements for Their pleasure, he is very dear to r Rdh and Ka. I offer prayers unto the lotus feet of ri Gurudeva. (r Guruaakam 6)] You know the meaning?
GBC: The spiritual master is assisGng the gops in their arrangements for Rdh-Ka

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r-rdhik-mdhavayor apramdhuray-ll-gua-rpa-nmnm prati-kasvdana-lolupasya vane guro r cararavindam

[At every moment r Gurudeva is experiencing intense greed in his heart to tast the unlimited sweetness of the holy names, forms, qualities, and pastimes of r Rdh-Mdhava in Vndvana. I offer my prayers unto the lotus feet of r Gurudeva. (r Gurvaakam 5)] To remember gurudeva means to remember what our gurudeva does the sev of Ka and r Rdhik and gops in Vndvana. That should be required. It is very helpful for going in prema- salbidra, kalpa-vrksa. This is bhva-sambandh and as ragatmika-bhakta does in Vraja. Time to Gme all these sev you should remember. This is called bhva-sambandh. And Ekda, Janmam, KrGkka-vrata. You should give up enjoyment of all material things. Tulasi astata saman vaiava samana; all these are bhva-anukla; we should do. And namacha, mala with =laka all are bhva-avirudha, these are not against our bhva so they should be accepted and bhava-vrta; that is Rukmi-bhava, Rukmi arcana and all the things which are not anukla for our bhva they should be rejected whether these are bhak= among 64 yet they will have to be rejected. GBC: No harm if we give them up. GBC: Must give them up. rla Gurudeva: Yes. End tape.

transcribed: September 2011 by Devananda dasa (Dominick Inglese)

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