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Any record of amounts received, BY MR. RUBY: 441. records? MR. LENCZNER: He didn't destroy them. Q. Why did you destroy the financial 440. MR. RUBY: referring to. Thank you. That's what I was
and they were discarded, you must have had them at some point. A. I can ask the Toronto Community
R. Ford - 111 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 448. office. 447. 446. Foundation to send me a statement at any time, and ask them how much I gave to the schools, and ask them how much I have in the account, how much has been spent. Q. At paragraph 8 of your affidavit you
state that the football foundation does not have any administrative staff to handle these communications. A. Q. We don't have staff. But the solicitation letters you
sent out had your City Hall office number on them. So any potential donor would have to talk to your staff when they call in. A. No, they don't have my City Hall
integrity commissioner said I can't use the City Hall letterhead with my councillor or title on it. So I revised all that. information on it. Q. And that was because it was a breach So no, there is no City Hall
change it, but she said, "You can't have your title. You can't have City Hall information on it." revised it, sent it to her. I
R. Ford - 135 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 536. to. Q. A. Page 6 of the material. What is this on? This is on... The report, itself, can BY MR. RUBY: 535. Q. You say: 534. 533. Q. Tell me if you would...take a look
at the report of the commissioner, and tell me whether you agree with the accuracy of it. MR. LENCZNER: question. Don't answer that
therefore you can take them as all being accurate. MR. RUBY: Okay.
"...I have to declare a conflict in this..." Explain why that was. A. I have no idea what you're referring
be found at Exhibit O. THE DEPONENT: MR. LENCZNER: Which one is this? It doesn't tell you what
R. Ford - 136 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 538. BY MR. RUBY: 537. Q. In terms of the reasons that you THE DEPONENT: I don't know what we are
referring to and what the item is. MR. LENCZNER: This is...you discuss the
issue on the morning radio concerning a real estate transaction proposed by the City for council's approval, and you broadcast a proposed purchase price which was supposed to be confidential. THE DEPONENT: MR. LENCZNER: Okay. The commissioner said
that you shouldn't have said that, and... THE DEPONENT: question? Now, what was your
gave at the time, they were, in part: "...I have to declare a conflict for this..." Do you see that portion? A. Yes, probably because...again, I
don't remember, but probably because Anna or legal told me to do it. Q. You have no memory of the actual
R. Ford - 137 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 543. 542. be true? A. Q. A. How many years ago is this? Two years ago. Okay, yes, I don't remember exactly 541. 540. true? A. I don't recall this. If that's what 539. A. Q. Five years ago, no, I don't. They ask you what is the nature of
your conflict, the speaker asks, and your answer is: "...My conflict is the report is about Councillor Ford, and I cannot vote in favour or against. interest..." Does that reflect accurately your understanding of the application of the conflict of interest rules at that time? A. no to that. Q. Again, I'm not...I can't say yes or I don't know. It might be true; it might not be That's a conflict of
it says, I guess I have no reason not to believe it. Q. A. Well, it's you. I don't recall what I said. I don't How many
R. Ford - 138 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 548. 547. 546. that? A. Q. A. I don't recall this. You don't recall anything? There are so many decisions she I don't recall. 545. recall. Q. And after the speaker said: 544. what happened two years ago. Sorry, the other It was two years
"...Nobody has ever heard of that before, but if you wish to absent yourself, well, you just did..." Do you remember that happening? A. Not word for word, no, I don't
"...Nobody has ever heard of that before..." were you impelled to ask some questions of your staff of, "Why am I leaving this debate?" A. Q. I don't know. I don't recall this.
R. Ford - 139 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 555. 554. 553. 552. 551. 550. 549. A. Q. No. Now, you originally received a
letter from the integrity commissioner about the reimbursement issue that we are concerned with on August 31st, 2010, right? A. Q. that letter? A. Q. A. Q. A. I presume you're telling me. It's a question. I guess so, if that's what it says. I just know of no action you took. I don't remember this. I don't That's Exhibit S.
remember all...every event and every day and every time. If that's what it says, I have no reason not
didn't do anything in relation to it? A. Q. If that's what it says. It doesn't say that. I'm suggesting
R. Ford - 140 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 560. before. 559. 558. 557. BY MR. RUBY: 556. Q. Yes, that's the material we're you... MR. LENCZNER: Page 7, yes.
relying on, what happened, and I'm suggesting to you you ignored that letter. A. If that's what it says I did, that's
what...I guess I did. Q. A. What was going through your mind? I don't remember what was going
integrity commissioner, that's, you know, a fairly serious matter, would you not agree? A. Q. A. Saying what? Saying repay. I have answered that question
3,150 out of my own pocket. Q. I have got it, but it's a fairly Why would you not do anything? Well, he did. He wrote
serious occasion.
MR. LENCZNER:
R. Ford - 141 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 565. 564. 563. dates. 562. BY MR. RUBY: 561. Q. Did you do anything beyond THE DEPONENT: numerous times. MR. LENCZNER: Yes. I have explained this
think I have answered this numerous times already. Q. A. When did you write to the donors? I don't recall. I don't recall the
I have given you an answer already. Q. Can I get the date? Yes, it's in here. We looked at it. What was that date? I can't remember what the It's
MR. LENCZNER: in the report. MR. RUBY: MR. LENCZNER: date was. remember.
I think it was...I don't My memory doesn't stretch back He wrote to the donors, got
far enough.
back a letter from the integrity commissioner . MR. RUBY: MS. CHAISSON: October 24, 2011. Great. Can you give me the page
reference, please?
R. Ford - 142 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 BY MR. RUBY: 569. Q. So you don't write that letter for So when you 568. 567. 566. MR. LENCZNER: Yes, it's at...Mayor Ford
wrote to this office, and revealed that he had corresponded to the donors and attached letters. So that's after Exhibit S that He did respond. I just noted that
just that I have not got a lot left, and if you can cope with us for a bit longer, we can try and push through and accommodate the mayor. MR. LENCZNER: about 10 minutes? MR. RUBY: I don't want to predict it, Okay. What have you got,
but I think it'll be short. MR. LENCZNER: finish it. All right. Let's just
R. Ford - 143 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 573. BY MR. RUBY: 572. Q. So more than a year passes. You get 571. 570. MR. LENCZNER: year? MR. RUBY: This is the letter to the What letter for almost a
before that, because that's when he writes to the integrity commissioner. MR. RUBY: same time. MR. LENCZNER: Okay, about the I think it's probably the
the first letter from the integrity commissioner August 31, 2010. You didn't do anything? Well, no, wait a minute. I mean, we're not now
MR. LENCZNER:
into, "Well, I didn't write a letter back for a year. that." Therefore, let's examine on
It has got nothing to do with this So I object. And you're instructing him /R
R. Ford - 144 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 578. BY MR. RUBY: 577. Q. Six letters, and I suggest to you 576. 575. 574. to answer. MR. RUBY: And with respect to the
second letter dated September 15, 2010, you're doing the same? MR. LENCZNER: MR. RUBY: The same thing. And the third letter he /R
ignored, May 10, 2011, the same instruction? MR. LENCZNER: July 4. Exactly, and June 7 and /R
MR. RUBY:
that you didn't reply because you simply were not going to be pushed around by this integrity commissioner. that true? A. I think that's probably the fifth You were going to ignore her. Is
time you said that, and I disagree. Q. Okay. You couldn't provide proof of
reimbursement to the integrity commissioner or council unless you first paid the amount. true, right? A. Repeat that again. That's
R. Ford - 145 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 582. 581. order? A. How would you challenge the 580. couldn't. Q. Now, you made it clear, I think, 579. Q. You couldn't provide proof of
reimbursement to the integrity commissioner or council unless you first paid the amount, correct? A. I never reimbursed them, so yes, I
that you failed to pay back the $3,150 because you thought it was wrong that council was trying to force you to do that. A. I don't believe I should have to pay
that out of my own pocket. Q. And did you challenge the council's
council's order? Q. Well, a legal challenge. How would you do that? See, Mr. Ruby, you
MR. LENCZNER:
think this down the road, council could bring no action against him. it. He didn't pay Could
it...anyway, we don't need to have this debate. The answer is no, they could not.
They have no enforcement mechanism, because of course what they did was beyond their
R. Ford - 146 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 BY MR. RUBY: 587. Q. Now, before you answer this 586. 585. no. Q. And from what your lawyer says, I 584. BY MR. RUBY: 583. Q. You didn't seek judicial review of authority.
lawyer about any way of challenging council's order? A. You already asked me that. I said
take it you didn't think you could do anything in terms of a lawsuit challenging the council's order? A. Q. No. Now I have a series of questions
about his relationship with the integrity commissioner, and I suspect you're going to tell me that that's not relevant. MR. LENCZNER: you're right. It's irrelevant, and /R
question, give your lawyer a chance to take a deep breath so he can object if he wants to. Would you
R. Ford - 147 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 BY MR. RUBY: 590. Q. And you had on that occasion a joint BY MR. RUBY: 589. Q. And you lied to a Toronto Sun R. LENCZNER: Don't answer that. /R BY MR. RUBY: 588. Q. You have a criminal record, as I agree with me that you tell lies from time to time, especially when you're caught acting wrongly? that true? Is
first on the Maple Leafs game of April 15, 2006, where he got drunk and lied about being there, and had to apologize for the lie. MR. LENCZNER: go into that. I'm not going to let you /R
reporter about a marijuana charge in Florida. MR. LENCZNER: question. Don't answer that /R
R. Ford - 148 1 2 3 4 5 6 591. question. MR. RUBY: Thank you very much. My /R
friend may have some questions he wants to ask you. MR. LENCZNER: you very much. No. Thank you. Thank