September 11, 2008

The time now is 1352 hours. Today's date is September 11th, 2008. My name is Detective Terry Jones, code #6354, I'm with the Louisville Metro Police Department. This interview pertains to Case File #08-197, uh, pertaining to a death investigation of victim Max Gilpin. This interview is being conducted at 5601 Greenwood Road and we are at PRP High School. Uh, this interview is uh, being, is...is of Mr. David Charles. Uh, also present during this interview is Sgt. Denny Butler. And his code number is...

Butler Jones Bobb Jones Bobb Jones Bobb Jones Bobb Jones

#6084. At this time, Mr. Charles, can you identify yourself? Yes. It's Mr. Bobb. B-O-B-B is my last name. Okay. I'm sorry. David Charles... Bobb. B-O-B-B. Bobb. ...is my last name. Okay. And uh, your date of birth? Uh, And address?

Page 2 of 21 Statement: David Charles Bobb / Case #08197(p) September 11, 2008

Bobb Jones Bobb Jones Bobb Jones Bobb Jones

Uh, 5103 Woodridge Lake Blvd. And that's in Louisville, KY. Okay. And phone number? Okay. Are you aware this interview is being taped? Yes, I am. Does it meet with your approval? Yes, it does. Okay. I, uh, if you can uh, re...refer back to August 20th...20th, 2008, uh, you were working here as an athletic...assistant athletic director? Yes, I was. Can you recall the events of that day uh, the PRP football practice in which you uh, were here? Yes. Uh, myself and Mr. Webb were actually working the...boy...I'm sorry...girls' soccer game uh, against Wagner. and we were in between both fields, sitting on the, the gaiter, and at approximately 5:15, 5 o'clock, Coach Webb took the heat index reading uh, it's done for every, every athletic event. Uhm, and... .. ...and I'm sorry... ...and what is that reading? What does it do,

Bobb Jones

Bobb

Jones Bobb Jones

Page 3 of 21 Statement: David Charles Bobb / Case #08197(p) September 11, 2008

how do you receive that re... Bobb It's a hygrometer, you have the...it's a, it's a tool, you, you press the button and it gives you the heat index...or the temperature and humidity, and it reads it on a chart and it tells you what the heat index is for the day. Okay. And you, you...who took that reading? Your self or... Uh, Coach Webb. Okay. No, the athletic director, Craig Webb did. And it's just a matter of pushin' a button a getting a digital reading. Yes. Okay. You get a digital reading and you follow the numbers on the chart. Do you recall what that reading was? Yes. It was 94. Okay. So uh, uh...was anything else going on besides the soccer game? Was the boys practicing football? Yes. You had the, the one field had the girls' soccer game, the football had the football team and you also had Panther youth parents arriving at that time, too.

Jones Bobb Jones Bobb Jones Bobb Jones Bobb Jones Bobb Jones

Bobb

Page 4 of 21 Statement: David Charles Bobb / Case #08197(p) September 11, 2008

Jones

Okay. and while you were out on the field, did you see uh, well, did you have the opportunity to observe the practice, in general? What was being done? Only thing we saw was...'cause, like I said, our, our focus was the, the girls' soccer game...we did see periodic water breaks, because at one time the concession stand ladies yelled, get off the field, they're playing a game. They, they walked across the corner of it, on the, as they were walkin' to get water...uh, but I could not tell you how many or when, what time, because we were...like I said, we were focusin' on the soccer game more than... ...When the... ...football. ...Can, can I interrupt you and ask one question? Yes. This is Butler speaking. Um-hmm. Uh, when, when you're out you're all parked on the gaiter. Correct? Or you are all sitting on the gaiter?... ...We were at that time. Now we, we're not always, no, but we were... That day you were all parked...

Bobb

Jones Bobb Butler Bobb Butler Bobb Butler

Bobb Butler

Page 5 of 21 Statement: David Charles Bobb / Case #08197(p) September 11, 2008

Bobb

...That day we were right there by the, in front of the, the shed or whatever, if you all are familiar with where we were. Right. But right there between the two fields that we were facing... ...At, at...at any point, were you alone there to watch the soccer game? Alone as in me and Coach Webb? My understanding is Coach Webb may have come back here to check on his cell phone... Do you re...recall that at all? The only time we were apart before the game started, I was getting the nets ready for the soccer game, he...they were transporting some concrete stones, like a retaining wall stones that we move them from the side of the, the soccer field and put 'em over in the storage facility. And we, I was doing the nets, he was doing that. After that, we were both on the gaiter from there on out until the, after the incident happened. Sorry. Okay. Uh, so you... Excuse me... ...you and, and...and Mr. Webb were actually uh, managing the soccer game? Yes.

Butler Bobb Butler Bobb Butler

Bobb

Butler Jones Bobb (Coughs) Jones Bobb

Page 6 of 21 Statement: David Charles Bobb / Case #08197(p) September 11, 2008

Jones Bobb Jones Bobb Jones

...between the girls? Yes. PRP and who were they playin'? Uh, Uh, Wagner High School. Okay. And during that process of the game uh, you uh, you observed several football players come over to get water? Yes. And they had actually uh, made contact with the soccer field and some parents or someone said... ...It was the concession stand ladies told 'em walk around, make sure you walk around, because a game was goin' on. Okay. A game was goin' on. Now I couldn't tell you who it was, how many it was...that I don't know. Okay. But I do know there was periodic times that they did do that. Okay. So uh, and, and what else occurred uh, while you was here? Did you see, uh, after, were you able to see the specific drills that the team was conducting, the football team? No. We were at the end of the field closest to

Bobb Jones

Bobb

Jones Bobb Jones Bobb Jones

Bobb

Page 7 of 21 Statement: David Charles Bobb / Case #08197(p) September 11, 2008

the entrance where you all, where they walk in and take, and the running was occurring at the other end of the side of the football field. Jones Bobb Jones Okay. And what time did the game start? 5:30, I believe. Okay. And while the game had already started, the players were already out on the field conducting their drills? The football players? Yes. Yes, football had already started. Okay. And you, you're not for sure what specific drills they were doin'. Correct? No. Hu-uh. Okay. And uh, at any point did you see them uh, run, uh, conduct running drills? I knew they were running because they kept blowing whistles and I knew they were pro'bly sprinting, but I don't know. Okay. And that was around 5:30? Is that when the game had started, the soccer game had started? The soccer game started at approximately 5:30... ...Okay... ...and then when, when their game starts you cannot use whistles for practice 'cause it interferes with the soccer game, and then at about uh, one of the football coaches walked

Bobb Jones Bobb Jones Bobb

Jones

Bobb Jones Bobb

Page 8 of 21 Statement: David Charles Bobb / Case #08197(p) September 11, 2008

over and said he, he came to get a drink of water and he did mention they were, they were, at the end of practice they were runnin' their sprints. Jones Bobb (Inaudible). ...But now I don't, I don't know if that was at, if that was an early practice, 'cause we don't normally go to football practice. Okay. ...We're just there when there's a... ...Do you remember which coach that was? (Inaudible). I, I believe it was Coach Cook, but I wouldn't... Okay. ...but he just walked over and said that they were, you know, gonna start their running, and they...but I know they run every day 'cause I got two football players in class. And they, at the end of practice, they, you know, they run, but that's comin' from them. I don't...like I said, we don't see their practice plan every day, 'cause... right. Okay. ...you know, you can't be there every prac...you know, every sport, every practice, 'cause... But it's, it's safe to say when, when...before the game started between the soccer game in which you and, and Coach...I'm sorry...uh,

Jones Bobb Butler Bobb Butler Bobb

Jones Bobb Jones

Page 9 of 21 Statement: David Charles Bobb / Case #08197(p) September 11, 2008

Mis...Mr. Webb...were actually managing, a reading was taken uh, from the hygrometer, which read 94. Bobb Jones Bobb Yes. Because they wouldn't have... ...Okay... ...the soccer official always checks with whoever the game manager is to say hey, is it 94, 95...'cause if it's 95, they have to play in two...or actually, four 20-minute quarters instead of halves. Okay. And then they give 'em water breaks every 20 minutes. Okay. So that is why the... Uh, has there, as regarding the hygrometer... ...Um-hmm... ...who was in charge of purchasing the hygrometer, and who, who is in, in charge of maintaining that hygrometer? The...Mr. Webb, the athletic director, purchases one, the... ...Okay... ...I think we have three...I don't know if there's three or four. I'm not sure...

Jones Bobb Jones Bobb Jones Bobb Jones

Bobb Jones Bobb

Page 10 of 21 Statement: David Charles Bobb / Case #08197(p) September 11, 2008

Jones Bobb

...Okay. And then they're kept...a couple of 'em are in the shed and then like the football coach has one and the soccer coaches share one, and every outside sport, like at the end of the year, like soft, one will give one to softball... ...Okay... ...we'll give one to baseball... ...Uh, so at this particular...on this particular day, uh, the only hygrometer was, was being worn by Mr. Webb? Was it being worn or was it in a physical location or... No, it's in a physical location. And where was that physical location? In the uh, the shed right there, when you walk in the practice facility. Okay. There's a shed right there when you walk in and they keep 'em... ...Okay... Now some coaches, now the charts are hangin' up, now I do know that sometimes the (inaudible) will take it home and bring it back... ...Okay... ...depending on, you know, what day it is.

Jones Bobb Jones

Bobb Jones Bobb Jones Bobb Jones Bobb

Jones Bobb

Page 11 of 21 Statement: David Charles Bobb / Case #08197(p) September 11, 2008

Jones

...Well, you, are you saying the, the item was in the shed? I mean was it still, was it in the shade or was it in the direct sunlight or, or what? I mean the, the shed is in the shade. Okay. But, like I said, some coaches...I don't know if they do it or not, you'd have to ask them... ...So it may have been... ...they may take it home, they might, lot of times they'll take it home and bring it back. Okay. So you, I... 'Cause football, I do know... ...Right... ...they take theirs in and out of the, like they'll take it to the office... ...Right... ...and then take it out to practice. Okay. But the hygrometer wasn't warn, it was in a physical location... ...Yes... ...and the physical location... ...all be if it was in the...

Bobb Jones Bobb Jones Bobb Jones Bobb Jones Bobb Jones Bobb Jones Bobb Jones Bobb

Page 12 of 21 Statement: David Charles Bobb / Case #08197(p) September 11, 2008

Jones Bobb Jones Bobb Jones Bobb Jones Bobb Jones Bobb Jones Bobb Jones Bobb

...Right... ...you know, soccer locker-room first and then they came out... ...Right... ...that I don't know. Right. But the reading was taken at what physical location? That's what I'm askin'. In, you go out to the middle of the soccer field. Okay. You go out in the middle of the field, take the reading and then... Well, yeah, that's what I was a...I'm sorry... ...Oh, sorry. I'm sorry. ...I'm sorry I confu...yeah, I'm sorry I confused you. No. But I was uh, alluding to, to where the reading was actually taken to... ...Oh, the reading, you go out to the, you usually go out to the central location of the field... ...Okay.. ...and if it's practice field or football field...or

Jones Bobb

Page 13 of 21 Statement: David Charles Bobb / Case #08197(p) September 11, 2008

you know, playing field... Jones Bobb Jones Bobb Jones Bobb Jones Bobb Jones Bobb Jones Bobb Jones Bobb Jones Bobb Jones and the item is kept in the, in the shed. Yes. Okay. As, as well as some others that are pro'bly... ...Yeah...but, like I said, some coaches do take 'em home... ...Okay. Okay. I'm not... Okay. ...I don't know if they do that or.. ...Okay. Okay...Sorry about the confusion. ...No, that's fine. No, that's fine. Okay. Uh, so at any point did uh, at, at, at a certain point, the teams started running? Yes. In your presence? We assumed they were running because... ...Okay... ...I mean you could hear people sayin', you know...come on, run on... ...Okay...

Page 14 of 21 Statement: David Charles Bobb / Case #08197(p) September 11, 2008

Bobb Jones Bobb Jones Bobb Jones Bobb Jones Bobb

...I mean you could hear the kids more than you could... Okay. And did you physically see 'em running at any time? Yeah. And were they running length, width of the field? They were running, yeah sideways. They were going sideline to sideline. ...From sideline to sideline? Yes. Okay. And at any point did you see any players attempt to get water? Umm, like I said, the only times I saw it was I couldn't tell you if it was when they were runnin' or if it was during practice. They came over a few times... ...Sure... ...a few times during the first half of the soccer game. Now those players who had, who had left to go and, and walk in toward your area... ...Um-hmm... ...they had actually uh, the concession lady told 'em to, don't get on the soccer field?

Jones Bobb Jones Bobb Jones

Page 15 of 21 Statement: David Charles Bobb / Case #08197(p) September 11, 2008

Bobb Jones Bobb Jones Bobb

Just makes you...right. around the field.

Makes you walk

Was those players able to get water? Yes. Okay. And how many would you estimate that, that to be? Uh, it was, I think it was the group of...I don't wanna say receivers and linebackers, but I don't... ...Okay... ...I wouldn't... ...Do you remember the time that that...that was? I mean between 5:30 and... Okay. ...that's my only timeframe is with the... ...Okay. ...as far as the game and... ...that's what you can remember? Okay. Now they did bring over Antonio Calloway, the one of the co...uh, a parent escorted him under, and put him under the water... Okay. And what was, what was his uh, issue?

Jones Bobb Jones Bobb Jones Bobb Jones Bobb Jones Bobb

Jones

Page 16 of 21 Statement: David Charles Bobb / Case #08197(p) September 11, 2008

Bobb Jones Bobb Jones Bobb Jones Bobb Jones Bobb Jones Bobb Jones Bobb Jones Bobb

He was havin' trouble, he was uh, it seemed like he was havin' a asthma attack. Okay. ...is what it sounded like. Alright. And then they, then they escorted him back over and they put him under the shade tree. Okay. And was he able to, he was able to be assisted off the sideline? Yes. He was walkin' on his own... ...Okay. I'm sorry... ...but uh, a parent had helped him get over there just in case. Okay. Was anyone else uh, did any other player become ill? Other than Antonio, the only other one we saw was when Max went down. Okay. Did you see Max when he went down? Yes. Okay. Can you describe it to me, please? We were sittin' on the gaiter and then...like I said, we knew they were runnin' 'cause we heard 'em...and it was gettin' towards the end of the game, or the first half, and then we saw

Page 17 of 21 Statement: David Charles Bobb / Case #08197(p) September 11, 2008

some kids were helpin' Max to the huddle, so we figured they were done runnin', 'cause they were all meetin' up to the, by the shade tree, and then he collapsed. I mean it looked like he was havin' trouble walkin' but he was walkin' on his own, and then he collapsed and I looked at Coach Webb and said, that's not normal. Jones Bobb ...And what did y'all do at that point?... ...And then we drove the gaiter over to the uh, where he had collapsed, and then within 30 seconds or a minute...I don't know if there was two parents, I be...I don't know their names...came up, they scooped him up, they said it was a fireman's cradle...scooped him up, put him in the front of the gaiter, and then we took, they took him over and started, putting water on his, they took the hose off and were sprayin' directly on his neck, and uh, they had ice bags under...I believe it was under his arms, I think... Did Max Gilpin ever regain consciousness? There was a grunting sound, but no, he never... He was breathing? Yes. He was breathing, yes. Uh, but uh, what about his eyes? I, actually, when they got him on there, Antonio, the gentleman that went earlier, when they got the gaiter over there, he walked over and he sat on the back and I was tryin' to get him to go down with, I went and sent...I sent uh, one of the seniors, I said, go get the ice

Jones Bobb Jones Bobb Jones Bobb

Page 18 of 21 Statement: David Charles Bobb / Case #08197(p) September 11, 2008

bucket off the soccer, the bench, 'cause I knew there was a little one. And then I was tryin' to put ice on his neck, calm him down, get him water, so after that, I don't...Max was...Max was facing the opposite way I was. I had Antonio and Max, all I could see was is the back of his head. In the back. Jones Okay. And who uh, who was able to call an ambulance, if you can recall? Or was an ambulance called? Yes. I believe it was Coach Deacon, but I would not swear to that, because when I got Antonio there, from then to the ambulance, it's a blur, I couldn't tell you if it was five minutes, ten minutes, because I was more worried about Antonio 'cause there was four or five people workin' on Max, and I was tryin' to get Antonio calmed down. He couldn't, he had trouble breathin', couldn't catch his breath... Okay. ...and I was more concerned about him, 'cause they had, they had Max. Let me pause, give me a second, let me check the status of our... ...Okay... ...remainder of tape here. We got a few more. Uh, Sgt. Butler, do you have anything? I do have one question. Um-hmm.

Bobb

Jones Bobb Jones Bobb Jones Butler Jones

Page 19 of 21 Statement: David Charles Bobb / Case #08197(p) September 11, 2008

Butler Bobb Butler Bobb

When you all drive out to Max... ...Yes... ...you all having collapsed, the players move away from him... They were...they, they tried to pick him up...I believe they picked him up once and then he just was kinda there, and then we drove over and then when we got there, I believe Coach Webb said, it might not have been Coach Webb, said back up, give us room. And then... Do you, do you remember if there were any coaches around at that point? I believe Deacon...Coach Deacon was there... Steve or...there's two. Bobby? Yeah. Okay. It was, it's the one that works security. Okay. I think it's Bobby. I think it is Bobby. Yeah, Bobby. And I believe Coach Donnelly was around, standing in the general area, but, and then I just remember one of the parents came out...like I said, I don't remember who he was...and said fireman's cradle will be Right? Steve and

Butler Bobb Butler Bobb Butler Bobb Butler Bobb Butler Bobb

Page 20 of 21 Statement: David Charles Bobb / Case #08197(p) September 11, 2008

easier...we scooped...they scooped him up...put him on there, and then we got him over to the, to the water. Butler Okay. Earlier you had mentioned some players goin' over, gettin' some water, and bein' told to stay off the field... Yes, from the... ...soccer field...and then you have Antonio comin' over, gettin' water, put on his neck at some point. Right? Yes. They put him under the water. Yes. Was the players that were told to walk around the soccer field, was that before or after Antonio was taken over? I believe it was before. Okay. Do, just roughly kinda guesstimate how soon before Antonio?... I, I don't know. I couldn't, I mean, I'm...15, 20 minutes, but I don't...I'm guessin'. Okay. I mean that's... Okay. Fair enough. That's all I have. Uh, Mr. Bobb, can you tell me how long the team have been uh, running sprints while you were out there? I don't have any, I have, I have no idea. Uhm...

Bobb Butler

Bobb Butler

Bobb Butler Bobb Butler Bobb Butler Jones

Bobb

Page 21 of 21 Statement: David Charles Bobb / Case #08197(p) September 11, 2008

Jones Bobb Jones

Okay. And at no point you ever saw any players refused water? No, I did not. Okay. I don't think we have anything else. Uh, is there anything we didn't cover? Anything else that I didn't ask you? Anything you wanna add? I don't think so. Okay. No further questions. Uh, we will go off record. Time now is 1406 hours.

Bobb Jones

END OF STATEMENT File #08197pjones-ks

Sign up to vote on this title
UsefulNot useful