September 11, 2008

Today's date is September the 11th, 2008. The time now is 1318 hours. My name is
Detective Terry Jones. My code number is #6354. I'm with the Louisville Metro Police
Department. This interview pertains to File #08197, a death investigation involving victim Max
Gilpin. We're currently at PRP High School, uh, 5601 Greenwood Road, and we are currently
conducting an interview with Mr. Craig Webb, the athletic director. Present during this interview
is Sgt. Denny Butler.

Jones Uh, Sgt. Butler, can you identify that you are
here?

Butler I am here and my code number is #6084.

Jones Thank you. Uh, this interview, again, is of Mr.

Craig Webb, and it pertains to the above-listed
file...case file... At this time, Mr. Webb, are
you aware that this interview is being taped?

Webb Yes.

Jones And is, does it meet with your approval?

Webb Yes.

Jones Okay. At this time, I would like you to identify

yourself, uh, stating your full name.
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Webb Craig Allen Webb.

Jones And date of birth?

Webb
Jones And address?

Webb 2711 Melvin Court, Louisville, KY, 40216.

Jones And a phone number, Sir?

Webb
Jones Okay. And what is your uh, employment,
please?

Webb I am athletic director here at Pleasure Ridge

Park High School.

Jones And how long have you been athletic director

here?

Webb This is my fourth year.

Jones Okay. At this time, if I can uh, ask you to go

back to August 20th, 2008, at which time uh, a
practice was taking place at this facility, uh,
could you describe to me things you did that
particular day, or that particular practice?

Webb My job was to be the game manager of the

girls' soccer game between uh, PRP girls
against uh, Wagner's girls. And uh, at that
particular time uh, leading up to, to the game
time, uh, approximately 5:15, I was getting the
field ready for the soccer game and uh, getting
all things in order uh, for that game to take
place.
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Jones Okay. So when you uh, you, you actually

game manager for the soccer game match
between what teams?

Webb Between Wagner and PRP.

Jones Okay. And was that the boys' or girls' team?

Webb Girls' team.

Jones Okay. And go ahead and continue.

Webb And uh, approximately about 5:15, uh, one of

my jobs and responsibilities is to uh, check the
heat index, in order for the match to take place,
and uh, I did take heat index, u sing the
hygrometer uh, at approximately 5:15, and, and
made sure that uh, those, the, the requirements
were in place in order for that match to go
ahead and go on as scheduled.

Jones Okay. And can you describe what is a

hygrometer ?

Webb A hygrometer is uh, essentially a hand-held

thermometer, testing humidity, uh, relative
humidity and temperature at that particular site.

Jones And this device is uh, is a hand-held device?

Webb Yes, it is.

Jones And where was this device at the time that you
took the reading?

Webb In the uh, in the storage shed uh, that we use to

hold our, our charts and all of our equipment
for our games.
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Jones Okay. So I, I pro'bly mis...misunderstood my

question here, where was the hygrometer
reading uh, taken, as it relates to the location?

Webb It, it was taken on the, uh, on the outside of the

soccer field, in front of the goals uh, right in, in
front of the goals.

Jones And is the practice field, where is the practice

field as it relates to the soccer field?

Webb It is uh, looking at it from the parking lot it's to

the, to the, about ten yards to the right of the
game soccer field.

Jones So the, both fields are uh, side by side?

Webb Yes, they are parallel to each other.

Jones Okay. And uh, so the reading was taken, uh,

you estimate it to be around 5:15?

Webb Yes, sir.

Jones Okay. And what was that reading?

Webb It was 94 degrees.

Jones Okay. And...

Webb ...With, that was the heat index was 94 at that

time.

Jones Okay. And at which time uh, you stated it, it

fell within the guidelines of training of some
sort?
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Webb Of the uh, the KHSA uh, heat index

requirements, which uh, you know, we, we
measure, you know, every day, or at practices
and games. But it did fall within the
guidelines, which, you know, would deem a
start to that particular game.

Jones Okay. And the gar...the soccer game started at

what time?

Webb 5:30, approximately 5:30.

Jones Okay. And uh, back to the hygrometer, is that

a digital device?

Webb Yes, it is.

Jones And how old is that device?

Webb I'm thinking' approximately two years old.

Jones And where was it purchased at?

Webb Shively Sporting Goods.

Jones And who, who purchased that item?

Webb The athletic department, uh, would have been

me.

Jones Okay.

Webb Would have been or through, through me.

Jones Okay. So uh, the hygrometer, is that uh,

battery-operated?

Webb Yes, it is, a lithium battery, I believe.

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Jones Okay. And is there a calibration involved in

that, one way or another?

Webb Uh, I think it's calibrated initially, but the, the

only other requirement is just battery life...

Jones ...Okay...

Webb ...if the battery goes down, then it, you know,
then you just replace the whole, the whole
hygrometer.

Jones Okay. And how is it operated?

Webb It is basically just a, a...and on and off switch

and uh, it, it basically is just a hand-held
temperature reading on that site, and it just, it
automatically just registers the temperature and
the humidity at that time and then, then it's just
a, a simple reading.

Jones Okay.

Webb It's very, very simple process.

Jones Okay. and it's been used prior to that particular

day. Correct?

Webb Yes, it had.

Jones Uh, at which time? What, the day before?

Webb Uh, yes, it would have been the day before...

Jones Okay...

Webb ...and, and all, actually from the time uh,

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practice started in July 15th, there, those

readings are documented by our head coach.

Jones Okay. So uh, the reading was taken, the game

had started, uh, was any, was the uh, football
team practicing when you uh, were out on the
field?

Webb Yes, they were.

Jones Okay. What kind of practices were they

involved in at the time?

Webb At, at the time when, when I left, uh, or when I

saw, they were in, looked like in drills...

Jones ...Okay...

Webb ...in individual drills, with their individual

coach, at that particular time.

Jones Did you uh, see the team...observe the team uh,
taking water breaks while you were out there?

Webb I, there were some kids helping me uh, do,

move some things prior uh, prior to their
practice, they took a water break after they did
that uh, but I did not see any kids particularly,
from football, go over and take water at that
particular time.

Jones Okay. And your duties, are you physically

assigned to the uh, to do any duties with the
football practice?

Webb No, sir.

Jones Okay. Your job is to oversee the game, of the

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soccer game...

Webb Yes, sir.

Jones And you uh, stated that as game management.

Webb Game management. Yes, sir.

Jones Okay. Okay...uh, and what time did you leave

the field?

Webb Uh, I left the field at about 5:20, uh, uh, and I
was gone for approximately 20 minutes.

Jones Okay. And when you returned, what did you

observe?

Webb Uh, once I got back to the game field...

Jones ...I'm sorry...I'm sorry to interrupt, what time

did you get back at the field?

Webb Approximately about 5:40.

Jones Okay. And what was taking place then,

between the football team?

Webb At that time, I saw the kids lined up on the

sideline, parallel to the girls' soccer field, and I
saw them lined up, running.

Butler Can I interrupt you here for a minute, Terry?

Jones Yes.

Butler When you leave at 5:20, you, how did you

leave the field? Did you use the gater or did
you walk?
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Webb Yes, I, I used the gater...

Butler ...Okay...

Webb ...to go over, come over to my office in the

main building.

Butler Okay. What do you think travel time on that

is? I mean just roughly? If you got on the
gaiter and drove from here to the practice
field...a couple minutes?

Webb Uh, no more than two minutes.

Butler Okay. When you got here to the pra...to your

office, did you make any phone calls?

Webb Yes, I did.

Butler Who did you call?

Webb I think I called and, to my wife.

Butler Okay. Did you use a work phone or did you

use uh...

Webb ...I used my, I used my home, or office phone

here.

Butler Okay. What did, and we've got your home

number that you called?

Webb Yes.

Butler Okay. And you, so you called...at what point

when you get back here do you call home?
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Webb Uh, it was, once I set down, it was pretty

quick, within maybe five minutes.

Butler Okay. And then you hang out here in the

office, you take you cell, you don't take your
cell phone back with you or?...

Webb No, because it was still on the charging...

Butler Okay.

Webb ...uh, system because the battery had went dead

earlier that day.

Butler How long after the conversation with your wife

did you leave the office and...did you go
anywhere else or did you head straight back to
the field?

Webb No, I headed straight back to the field.

Butler Okay. How long after that phone call,

roughly?

Webb Maybe five minutes I set in the office.

Butler Okay.

Webb Yes.

Butler Sorry to interrupt.

Jones That's okay. Uh, so when you returned to the

field, the team was involved in what type of
uh, practice?

Webb It was uh, once again, the kids were lined up on

the sideline, which was parallel to the soccer
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field and uh, the coaches had spread out over

the field and uh, it, it looked to me that they
were running, uh, running drills, or running
sprints, is what it was.

Jones Okay. And how long do you think they ran

sprints while you observed them?

Webb Uh, I did not give my full attention to what

they were doing because, you know, once
again, my job is to watch the soccer game and
make sure everything goes okay there...

Jones ...Yes, sir...

Webb ...uh, but I, I would say at least...at least 20

minutes' worth of running, I would say. And
that's an uh, that's an approximate...but, like I
say, I did not watch completely from that
time...

Jones Okay. As the team was running, uh, based on

part, part of your observation, did any players
become ill?

Webb The only, the only uh, player that I saw that
was having trouble at that time was Antonio
Calloway. Uh, he was having difficulty
breathing.

Jones Okay. And was uh, Mr. uh, Calloway assisted?

Webb Yes, he was.

Jones And he uh, and, in, in what way was he

assisted?

Webb He was uh, he was brought over by Steve Ellis,

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one of our parents of our football players...

Jones ...Um-hmm.

Webb Uh, was brought over to the watering station,

and uh, was, he, he...he was asked to put his
head and whole body kinda under the watering
system to...

Jones ...Um-hmm...

Webb ...'cause he was, he was sweating pretty good

and was, you know, being uh, you know, asked
to cool down...

Jones ...Um-hmm...

Webb ...they were talking to him, you know, trying to

get his breathing under control, it was labored
breathing. Uh, you know, no, no situation of
uh, collapse that I could see or anything like
that, just labored breathing, at that point.

Jones But he was up and walking...

Webb ...Yes, he was...

Jones ...or at least trying to get his breath.

Webb Yes, he was.

Jones Did any other players become ill?

Webb No, sir, not that I saw.

Jones Okay. Did uh, at what point did you observe

Max on the ground?
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Webb I, I don't know the exact time, it, you know,

the, the soccer game was well in to the first
half, so I'm going to say it was somewhere
around 5 to 10 minutes after 6, just a
guesstimate of, of, you know, of where the
length of the soccer game...I did not have...we
did not have our score board working, so there
was no true time of what, where the game was
at that point.

Jones You're referring to the soccer game. Right?

Webb Yes. We're refer...so, you know, so basically I

kinda judged my time at that point, based upon
where the soccer game is, and...

Jones So your best estimate is after 6 pm?

Webb Yes. After 6 pm.

Jones Okay.

Webb Yes.

Jones Okay. Uh, and what did you observe uh,,

uh...Max Gilpin, what was he doing when you
observed him?

Webb When, when I saw him, he was walking up to

the middle...he was uh, had already passed the
middle of the practice football field...

Jones ...Is that like running, while he was running

or...

Webb No, this was, this, all the running had stopped.
And the team was gathering at the uh, shade
tree where, where they meet, you know, pretty
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much, from what I understand, every day after

practice...

Jones ...Okay...

Webb ...but they were all heading up toward the

shade tree, and uh, you know, and, and I saw
maybe five or six kids...and I don't remember
the exact number...but there were several kids
around Max, and they were coming up to the
middle of the football, or...

Jones ...Okay. Let me uh, let me get my, some

thoughts here...now you're telling me that
Max...you didn't see Max collapse, or you just
saw, saw several players around him.

Webb Yes, I saw Max actually go down, but it looked

like him and a group of other kids was walking
up the practice football field.

Jones Okay. Had Max been running uh, sprints?

Webb I did not know what Max...I, I did not see Max
running at all.

Jones You just saw him while he...

Webb When he actually collapsed and went to the

ground.

Jones Okay. Was any players around him at the

time?

Webb When he collapsed?

Jones Yes, sir.

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Webb Yes.

Jones And did they attempt to assist him by getting

him up?

Webb Yes, they did.

Jones Okay. And at what point did you uh, drive

over to assist him?

Webb As soon as I saw Max hit the ground, or he

collapsed to the ground, and the kids could not
handle him, I, we saw it because we had a
pretty good view of when he went down...

Jones ...Okay...

Webb ...and we went, it was immediately. It was

pretty quick.

Jones Okay. You're saying' "we", who was, who was

that?

Webb Me and uh, David Bobb, assistant AD.

Jones Okay. And where were you at, in relationship

to where Max went down?

Webb We were uh, right by the storage shed, in front,

pretty close to in front of the storage shed, on
the soccer field side.

Jones Okay.

Webb ...Right behind uh, one of the soccer goals. We

were maybe ten yards behind a soccer goal.

Jones And you were sitting on a...

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Webb A gater.

Jones A gater? What is a gaiter?

Webb A gaiter is just a uh, uh...transportation to get

around campus, it's a two-seat uh, 4/2 uh,
tran...transportation around campus.

Jones Okay. So you drove over to assist Max, uh,

and uh, by other uh, people that were gathered
around him, and what was, what was done with
Max at this time?

Webb Yes, uh, the, uh, at that time there were a few
kids around, was trying' to help get Max up off
the field. Uh, they were having' difficulty
holding' Max, because he was real sweaty and
slippery, and then what we, what I, we had
kinda, I assessed the kind of situation that was
going' on, you know, Max was, uh, had uh,
making' a grunting sound, but he was
breathing, you know, he had a pulse, so I
automatically thought we had maybe a heat
situation here, and uh, uh...I could not pick him
up, so two parents came over...Steve Ellis and,
and I'm almost positive it was Tim Cowan...

Jones ...Okay...

Webb ...helped assist get Max up. They did like a

fireman's cradle to lift Max and lift him in to
the passenger seat of the gaiter.

Jones And, and where was he taken at this point?

Webb He at that point was taken over to our watering

station and...
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Jones ...Okay. And what was done over there?

Webb We disconnected the hose that, that is hooked

up to the, the watering station, and so it had
just a direct flow of water, and that was placed
on uh, around his neck and at the back of his
head where it could just completely run down
his body.

Jones Did Mr. Gilpin ever regain consciousness?

Webb No, he did not.

Jones Uh, what was his response to the water and the
ice?

Webb It was the grunting sound continued, uh, it

wasn't a real labored breathing, but it was more
of a continuous grunt.

Jones Did, did he have a pulse?

Webb Yes, he did.

Jones And he was breathing.

Webb Yes, sir.

Jones But it was, you described it as a grunt.

Webb A grunt. Yes, sir.

Jones So CPR wasn't administered at this point.

Correct. Correct?

Webb No, sir.

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Jones Okay. At what point was EMS notified?

Webb I'm going to, it, I, I had asked...because I didn't

have my cell phone...asked one of the coaches,
or one of the people that was around...

Jones ...Um-hmm...

Webb ...to, to call for EMS, for help.

Jones Okay.

Webb Uh, within, within five minutes of time of

getting Max off that field, we, that's when I had
said for somebody to call.

Jones Okay.

Webb And uh, and uh, I'm almost positive Steve

Deacon was around at that point...

Jones ...Yes, sir...

Webb ..
.and that's who made the call.
Jones Okay. Uh, and Max was eventually
transported to a hospital by EMS?

Webb Yes, he was.

Jones Okay. Uh, and uhm, if I can ask this, uh, did
Max ever re...did Max get a physical while
here, while attending practice, or?...

Webb Yes, he did. He had a physical back in May.

Jones Okay.
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Webb From uh, from Dr. Greg Potts' office.

Jones Okay.

Webb And that physical was given here at school.

Jones And all the players are required to have

physicals. Correct?

Webb Yes, they are.

Jones Okay.

Webb In order to, to practice or participate.

Jones And uh, Max's, what...what, what uh, is he a

junior...senior...sophomore, what...

Webb Sophomore.

Jones He's a sophomore.

Webb Yes, sir.

Jones And is this fa...Max's first year playin'?

Webb Second year.

Jones Second year.

Webb Yes, sir.

Jones And he is a defee...defensive player.

Webb Uh, that I'm unaware of, I think he was a

lineman, but I don't know if it was offense or
defense.
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Jones ...Okay. Okay...Sgt. Butler, you got anything?

Butler I do. I do.

Jones Go ahead.

Butler Uh, when you take the temperature...

Webb ...Yes, sir...

Butler ...at the soccer field...uh, do you relay anything

to the, the head coach is responsible at the
football for the practice.

Webb Yes.

Butler Do you relay anything to him, hey, I got this

reading...or take any precautions or, or did he
share any of that with you?

Webb No.

Butler Okay.

Webb There was never any communication between

each other and, and uh, uh...our, no
conversation of what he had done, recorded
and, and to what I had, what we had done at
the soccer field and recorded.

Butler Okay. When Max collapses and you move

from the gaiter over to help Max...

Webb ...Um-hmm...

Butler ...where do you think the soccer game was at,

at that point. You had mentioned that they
have 40-minute halves?
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Webb Yeah, 40-minute halves...uh, they were well in

to it...I would say it had to been approaching
half-time. I, I would say it was at least 30
minutes in to the game.

Butler Okay.

Webb At least 30 minutes, in to the game. But we

did not have our score board operating uh, at
that time, so I had no true time of how much
time was left in, in that first half...

Butler ...Okay...

Webb ...of that particular game.

Butler Okay. And then you mentioned Antonio

Calloway, you saw him being treated?

Webb Yes, sir.

Butler Did practice...football practice change in any

way that you noticed, or did they continue to
run?

Webb That I do, I cannot say.

Butler Okay.

Webb I do not know.

Butler Uh, and then at some point you see some kids
around Max and they're, you say they're
walking towards the shade...were they helpin'
Max walk?

Webb Ye...I, it was hard to tell...

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Butler ...or were they, or, or were they...

Webb ...they were all real tightly knit, close

together...

Butler Okay...

Webb ...I couldn't really tell, from what I saw, I

basically saw him when he went down. So I
couldn't...I couldn't tell if he went down and
then the kids tried to grab him..

Butler ...So you had to notice the prac...practice is uh,

finishing' up, so it draws your attention. Prior
to that, though, if he'd o' fallen before, you...

Webb I would o' maybe not seen anything. Yes. Yes.

Yes...

Butler Okay. Alright. So when he, when you see

Max collapse, he doesn't get back up.

Webb No, sir.

Butler Okay. And then you get, you get over to him.
At that point...let me back up for just a minute.
When they're running' laps, where are the
coaches in relation to the kids?

Webb They are facing them, uh, uh...in the mi...What

I could just gather...and I didn't see all coaches,
I saw Coach Stinson, looked like he was in the
middle of the field...and then I saw some other
coaches just kinda spread out. With so many
people, it's hard to see all of 'em...

Butler ...Right...
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Webb ..so I don't know who all was there and who
wasn't there, but I did see some of the coaches.
I did see Coach Stinson was in the middle of
the field, facing the players. And, like I said,
as stated before, the players were lined up on
the sideline close to the girls' soccer field,
facing out toward the coaches, out toward the
houses, and stuff.

Butler ...Running away from the soccer field.

Webb Running away from the soccer field. Yes, sir.

Butler Okay. When you get out to Max on the gater,

as soon as you see him fall you all take off for
him.

Webb Yes, sir.

Butler Are there any coaches around? Who's

attending to Max?

Webb Uh, I did not uh, Steve Ellis had come out
there, a parent...there was Bobby Deacon was
out by Max, which is one of our assistant
football coaches...he was in the proximity uh,
uh...to, to where Max had went down.

Butler Okay.

Webb Yeah. Now, and I don't honestly, it was a blur

to who else was around there. I couldn't tell
you who the kids were, I did...Bobby Deacon
was out by Max when we were there, uh, when
me and David Bobb got out there to them...uh,
to him...and uh, uh...that's all I can remember,
as far as coaching staff that was around at that
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point.

Butler Okay. And wrapping' up here, I just have a

few more questions. Has anyone tried to
influence your statement in any way, shape, or
form of the events that happened that day?

Webb No, sir.

Butler Okay. And are you aware of anyone trying to

attempt to influence any of the players in any
way, shape, or form?

Webb No, sir.

Butler Okay. And then, and that was kinda brought

up...we had a meeting last Wednesday.
Correct? Uh...

Webb Uh, yes, sir.

Butler There were three folks from Louisville Metro

Police and we met with yourself and Principal
Dave Johnson...

Webb ...Yes, sir...

Butler ...and explained that, you know, we're

conducting a criminal investigation and the
players should be treated as potential, potential
witnesses.

Webb ... (Inaudible). Yes, sir.

Butler Okay. Uh, that's all I have.

Jones I just one follow up. Uh, the soccer game was
going' on and was there a lot of spectators
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there?

Webb Yes. There was, was many...we had a soccer

game going' on, so we had uh, PRP girls'
soccer parents, Wagner soccer parents, pro'bly
uh, maybe some boy soccer players were there,
'cause they uh, uh...you know, they come to
some of the girls' games...we had football
practice going' on...we had parents of football
players there at practice...uh, we also, our
youth league uses that, that part of that field
after our football team gets done, so we had
Panther youth parents and kids coming' in as
well. So there were several hundred people
there, in, in attendance at that particular day.
At least.

Jones Well, I may uh, uh...asked you this, I may

asked one of the coaches, but I'll ask you
this...is this normal for a practice to have this
many people uh, gathered around a practice
field doing other i...doing other events?

Webb Yes. Yes.

Jones So this is a normal..

Webb ...we, we have a normal, we, we have a normal

audience for football practice almost every day.

Jones Okay.

Webb We, you know, sometimes by most practice

ends, we could have as many as 15, 20 parents
watching practice...we have several fathers and
stuff that come the whole day and stay the
whole day.
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Jones Okay.

Webb So uh, it, it does vary...but in the fall it's very

common to have a, a, a...large crowd around
practice every day. That's where our teams
practice...our football team practices every day.

Jones Okay. Alright, Sir, uh, Mr. Webb, is there

anything else we didn't ask, anything else we
didn't cover? Do we have follow-up, uh, Sgt.
Butler?

Butler No, I'm fine.

Jones Okay. Anything else to cover? Anything else

we didn't ask you, that you can remember?

Webb No, not at this time.

Jones ...Anything, anything I left out?

Webb No, not at this time.

Jones Okay.

Webb There’s nothing' left out.

Jones Okay. And again, you wee, you were aware

this interview was being taped. Correct?

Webb Yes, sir.

Jones And you gave it on your own free will?

Webb Yes, sir.

Jones And this in conjunction with the death

investigation of Max Gilpin.
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Webb Yes, sir.

Jones Okay. Uh, with no further questions we will

conclude this interview with Mr. Webb, at 1342
hours.

END OF STATEMENT

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