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Submitted by slfroedge on Sat, 2008-09-27 17:10.
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Sometimes when I am giving an acupressure treatment, I feel the person's energy move. Then, I experience emotions that are not my own. For example, extreme grief in a person with a headache. When I feel the transfer of the emotion and energy, the person's headache goes away. This often leaves me feeling weak for several minutes or hours. What is going on?
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Submitted by Chad Dupuis on Tue, 2008-09-30 09:48. This is a topic for which there are many opinions. Personally, while there is some sort of transference that happens anytime you interact with someone particularly in the ways that we work, I steer very clear of the terminology used by many healers and the like. Ultimately there is one energy - not positive, not negative so I keep that in my mind and personally do not believe in picking up bad or negative energy from patients. Certainly some days I might feel a certain way after working on someone but I don't get too worked up about it and it quickly fades. That is, by not adding terminology and certain theories the effect, if any, is made so minor it effectively becomes a non-issue. The other aspect of this is that you must have solid and strong energy to work with patients at this level otherwise you may be more easily effected by the work. Qi Gong and Tai Chi, in my opinion, are a strict necessity for practitioners. Your qi gong, however, must be guided by a very good teacher as there are many, many people who practice for years and have no real qi development or energetic stability. To be effective, this part of your training and development should be done with a high level of focus and care. With this you will avoid being affected as easily. As I said earlier there are many opinions and theories about this and there are techniques to avoid "taking up" your patients energy (another term I personally dislike). To me it comes down to having a stronger energy than your patients - enough to direct their energy instead of being a sponge for it. This is part techniques, perhaps, but mostly a development on the part of the practitioner that needs to be cultivated. So, yes some of the phenomena exists, but it is not worthy of strong terminology. This terminology only exists to reinforce what you feel is happening and, ultimately, it will make the experience worse. As I said earlier if I feel a little strange after working on someone I let it go if I do anything I focus on how great it was to help them, not what I might have picked up from them. You cannot get someones condition, but your mind is a powerfully ally or enemy depending on what you feed it. __________________ Chad J. Dupuis, L.Ac. Yin Yang House Acupuncture and Wellness Center
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Submitted by slfroedge on Sun, 2008-10-05 00:13. Chad, while I appreciate your reply, I must admit I don't understand it fully. You seemed to be addressing the terminology I used more than my question. First of all, I am not a practitioner. I just give acupressure to family, friends, and colleagues. I stopped doing it for many years because I was afraid of what seemed like energy movement with emotions attached to it. I didn't tell anyone (it would have seemed like telling someone I talked to a ghost). I'm using lay terms because I don't know the buzz words. It is usually rather easy for me to "sense" or "feel" what pressure points need to be pressed. The person's headache usually goes away, or significantly diminishes, in a matter of seconds or minutes. The feelings don't usually last long after I stop physical contact. On a few occasions, I had become completely drained of energy (again, I'm using a term to describe how I felt-- I hope you can get past the semantics). "...some of the phenomena exists, but it is not worthy of strong terminology." I used terminology to describe the emotions and sensations I felt. Yes, the grief was overwhelming. By this, I mean that I could barely hold back tears and the emotion was definitely not my own. I was having an especially great day and not the least bit sad. I am only trying to understand this phenomenon. Of course I know I cannot "get someone's condition." It's like empathy with a physical response. If their stomach qi is rebelling (which I don't know until I touch them), it gives me the sensation of needing to vomit. It's not just a matter of feeling a "bit strange." Please don't respond to my word choice, I'm no expert. I just want to know if anyone else has experienced this sensation and can tell me what it is or why it happens.
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Submitted by Chad Dupuis on Sun, 2008-10-05 12:07. All I am really saying is the more you focus on reactions like that to patients the more they are likely to happen. And while some people have varying degrees of reactions like this the vast majority of practitioners will learn to stop this effect. In reality you have to to practice successfully for years. This doesn't neglect the fact that the phenomena exist, but as I stated previously - "To me it comes down to having a stronger energy than your patients - enough to direct their energy instead of being a sponge for it. This is part techniques, perhaps, but mostly a development on the part of the practitioner that needs to be cultivated." Some people have heightened sensitivity, naturally, and this makes training all the more important. I can only recommend that you must stabilize your energy and learn how to direct it better. This, in my opinion, only comes from the practice of Tai Chi (ideally from a skilled master, preferably someone who also practices Chinese Medicine). From the Tam Healing System, we use acupressure on the GV 19 area to help regulate this sensitivity as well. My strong wording isn't meant to pick apart your terminology in any way - your phrasing was just fine and to the point. It is only to emphasize the importance of getting past these reactions to continue practicing and helping others. It is important for people to not get caught in this way of thinking and realize also that this is why people train for years before doing this kind of work - not just in theory and medicine but in themselves and their skills and their qi. I am less reacting to your specific phrasing or your specific issues than I am to the concepts generally as many acupuncturists, healers, etc. have the same experiences and often get consumned by them. As this is a public forum I try to generalize some of my answers as I know others are facing the same issues. So it's not meant to call you out in any way - just to make the discussion more valuable to everyone who might stumble across it. __________________
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Submitted by wade.deloe on Sun, 2008-10-05 12:16. Hello, It sounds to me that you are a very empathic and intuitive person. In Oriental medicine, we speak of the practitioner (you) and the patient being one ecosystem. Imagine the yin/yang taichi symbol where you are the black or white part and the person you are treating is the opposite color. You'll see that both of you together make up a whole, sphere, or circle-then notice that within each color is a tiny sphere of the opposite color. Think of this as energy transfer. A little bit of you goes into the person you are treating and vice versa. What acupuncturists and acupressurists and other energy/body workers want to avoid is having too much of their patient's energy 'invading' their own energy field or vice versa. Hopefully you will realize this ability you have is a great gift and you have the potential to be a powerful healer. It sounds like you need training in qi gong and tai chi as Mr. Dupuis said, but I think you are looking for a more 'spiritual/ethereal' answer. Lori Dechar who wrote Five Spirits Alchemical Acupuncture -also great for the acupressurist spoke in class about having an awareness of foreign energy 'invading' or 'possessing' the practitioner. Somehow you just knew that what you were feeling was not a part of you, but foreign. The impression I got was that it was a transient phenomena and acknowledging that what you were sensing was not native to you helped it resolve and go away....(just another way of saying what Mr. Dupuis has already said. The energy in your patient has to go somewhere and the path of least resistence seems to be into you at this point. Try to visualize that negative energy being released into the greater
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universe while you are treating someone rather than allowing it to flow into you. Although your are physically in contact with your patient, there is space between your hands and the patient's body at a more atomic level and that is where you want that energy to exit the patient/ practitioner ecosystem. I hope this wasn't too new age for you but I think this may be more of the type of response that you were seeking. Good Luck! Wade De Loe, M.S., L.Ac. www.gentlepuncture.com
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Submitted by Chad Dupuis on Mon, 2008-10-06 09:36.
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Ahhh, the middle ground. ninjapuncture 2009-05-23 07:52 I read over the dialogue for Chad Dupuis 2009-05-22 15:29
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There is one more clarification I would like to make after going over your reply again - you pulled out this quote: "...some of the phenomena exists, but it is not worthy of strong terminology" Here you assumed I was speaking of your description of your personal experiences as if I thought you were going over the top or being hypersensitive - this is not the case at all. What I meant is that there are volumes of texts (both modern and classical) discussing phenomena such as this with elaborate theories and, personally, I think most of it of little value for practical purposes and is more often than not counter-productive. Talking about these detailed theories is a labryinth which I, personally, don't like people to enter into so I avoid using the theories (what I phrase strong terminology) - perhaps definitive would have been a better choice of words.
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If you focus on your own qi development and control (i.e. practice Tai Chi) you will be fine with or without complex theories explaining energetic fields and the like. You have, as Wade points out, some natural gifts and this should be fostered. What I don't want to see is these natural gifts taken down a path where you are fearful of working on patients, particularly if you move into working with patients with serious illnesses such as Cancer, etc.
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Submitted by slfroedge on Fri, 2008-10-10 20:10. Thank you, both, for your insightful answers. I have a much better understanding now. It was quite frightening at times, and yes, Chad, it did keep me from wanting to help others at times. I know a little about the meridians, some things about specific types of points, and some basic terminiology regarding Traditional Oriental Medicine Theory. Clearly, this is just the peel of the onion! However, I no longer have the opportunity to study OM, as I now live in a remote rural area. Your answers make so much sense! I can picture them in my head as light or electromagnetic waves. It makes sense to me in the same way as electricity grounding through the path of least resistance. I didn't realize before, but now it seems so obvious (after you graciously explained it), that it is important to be able to direct one's own qi to protect both practitioner and patient.
I see what you mean about helping the person redirect proper flow of their own qi, rather than allowing it to disseminate through me (one way or another). I also do not like having access to someone else's emotional turmoil. It feels as if I am invading their privacy in the same was as inadvertantly overhearing a private conversation. Thank you both, very much!
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HI,I don't know where to

Submitted by serpentenepower on Tue, 2008-10-14 14:41. HI, I don't know where to turn, I have never told anyone. As a personal trainer, life coach, Reverend, nutritionalist, relapse prevention specialist and bodyguard, i wind up taking the energy or physical pain into my body-i have to stop so i stop hurting. I was working on a client with backpain on friday, for some reason on saturday and sunday- i had terrible back pain in the same exact spot whe he injured himself. This is not the first time this has happened. As my life progresses, i see the potential of tranferrance becoming a problem. How do I prevent this? Is there a way to make me stronger as to not let this happen? am i doing something wrong? There has to be a way i can still help people with their pain and obsticles. Any advice would be appretiated. Serpentene Power
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I believe I've said just

Submitted by Chad Dupuis on Thu, 2008-10-16 09:30. I believe I've said just about all I can on the subject. Basically I strongly recommend Tai Chi for people that work in the energetic arts (from a good teacher, ideally), and then you have to have strong theories for what you are doing otherwise you are likely to be more effected than necessary when treating others. And, of course, the downside of this is that your brain learns to expect it and that greatly increases the possibility of the reactions and their intensity. The Tai Chi will make you stronger energetically so you are not as easily effected and it will increase your sensitivity so you better know (with sound theories as a backdrop) how best to help people. Intuition and natural gifts are very valuable in this field, but they are not all their is to it and they are of little value if they are not properly honed and utilized. I believe our systems (Tam Healing, and Tong Ren specifically) are some of the best and most useful for practitioners of varying levels of experience including lay people all the way to licensed professionals. But there are others... The main point is that you have to do this work within a system that allows you to get repeated results and not be weakened or effected yourself. And, ideally, your development is guided by someone who gets reproducible results with a broad range of cases. __________________ Chad J. Dupuis, L.Ac. Yin Yang House Acupuncture and Wellness Center
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Submitted by student on Sat, 2008-10-18 18:59.
I offer a thought that praying for the individual as you work with them might not be another potential solution to your problem. Of course there is the need to recognize within oneself where one's ego gets in the way to be the healer and not "offer" the energy to a Collective Unconscious as is said in the Tong Ren system of Healing. (I think that may be another vocabulary word for Creative Energy, a Power greater than yourself, God. etc. ) I have found that working with people involves a continous self discipline of the heart, mind and body.
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Hi,Thanks a lot, i will

Submitted by serpentenepower on Mon, 2008-10-20 16:32. Hi, Thanks a lot, i will follow your advice. i am sure that i may have some more questions in the future, it's nice to know that i can come back here and find the anwers. This is all new to me, and just never had shared it in fear that people will think that i am full of shit:-) But i know that there must a way to protect myself from unwillingly taking on someone elses physical pain. I can't wait for your books to arrive, and i will immediately begin learning and practicing Tai Chi / Chi Gong ASAP! Thanks! Steve O Serpentene Power
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