How the load dispatch control personnel predict the generation of wind turbine farm with out knowing

any parameters(like wind velocity ) at site,how they use this fluctuating power generation
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FrdricUnfollow Follow Frdric Frdric Alliet Hi Balakumaran, Except if they have any (very accurate) weather forecast, they can not predict any thing useful for any proctical purpose, they just have to live with that fluctuating power generation ... and keep some reserve power somewhere else to be used (or not) in case of lack of wind production. This is all the debate about smart grids and adaptation of production, storage and consumption at the smallest local level.

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BALAKUMARANUnfollow Follow BALAKUMARAN BALAKUMARAN KAMARAJ Thank you for your answer
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RaghunathaUnfollow Follow Raghunatha Raghunatha Ramaswamy In the first place what needs to be predicted is the load and plan the generation to meet the predicted load. Secondly, in India, the wind generation is such a small % of remaining generation, and errors in respect of wind generation is likely to be withing the forecast errors to cause any significant problems in operational planning. The practice should be to have redundant generation [to have spinning reserve ] to accommodate any fluctuating demand.
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AnandUnfollow Follow Anand Anand SR Though the % of wind penetration on national level is not alarming, the issues are getting serious as the operation in India is done on state based control area centric. The issues are transferred slightly to other neighbouring constituents also. It is high time that the UI mechanism is replaced or supplemented by ancillary market mechanism and spot market for electricity.
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Thaung MyintUnfollow Follow Thaung Myint Thaung Myint Henry Wan For wind power, storage should not in at this moment. Please view youtube " wind energy" and let's discuss more! This can lead to group consulting?
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V.Unfollow Follow V. V. Ramakrishna Wind energy is concentrated in some states like Tamil Nadu, Gujarat etc and the percentage of this generation in the total generation is high in terms of capacity if not on energy basis. If the forecast of this generation is not improved, it would be quite difficult for the load despatcher to manage the grid both in terms of frequency and UI as well as loading of some of the critical lines both when wind energy comes in suddenly or withdraws suddenly. Of course, if the wind energy is supplemented by pumped storage may be this energy could be conveted to peak power for use later. Accordingly, there is an urgent need to improve the forecasting of wind energy and this needs to be done by the generators who should be able to declare the schedule of generation in definite time slots, if not on day ahead bass but at least some hours ahead in real time. Load despatcher can only schedule only after getting the generation forecast from the generators
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James M.Unfollow Follow James M. James M. Daley Electric power system operators will never be able to forecast and respond to site variatioons in wind volume, direction and speed with sufficient speed. The unceratinty in power production that wind and solar photovoltaic produced electricity brings to the interconnected electric power system is the result of their lack of inertia. This imposes an elasticity on the other interconnected sources of power all of which do have inertia. The result is localized or wide ranging variations in system operating parameters. One means of coping with this issue is micromanagement control of loads down to the residential user through Smart Grid technmiques.
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AnandUnfollow Follow Anand Anand SR The forecasting, scheduling and commercial mechanisms works only with wind farms with sizeable capacity. Even then, the cut off at about 25m/s is a matter of concern. This is reported in several off shore projects. For smaller sized wind farms, say of total capacity around 10MW, the forecasting may not be to the desired level practically. However, with distributed generation picking momentum, the issue is likely to come up in future to the level of having grid impact. The load dispatcher may not be able to track all such sites even if the genrator is making forecasts. The issue of variability in generation is likely to aggravate when roof top PV is permitted as grid connected. It appears that smart grid technology is to be considered as solution. The CERC has come out with a staff paper on ancillary services. It is to be deliberated whether it addresses all issues in incentivsing the RE energy penetration.
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Thaung MyintUnfollow Follow Thaung Myint Thaung Myint Henry Wan You have to make assumptions for the required parameters. Visit "Wind Energy" at youtube.
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Thaung MyintUnfollow Follow Thaung Myint Thaung Myint Henry Wan At present "Siemen's Germany" is one of the world's leading wind energy project provider and has implemented the bigest wind turbine in the world.
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JohnUnfollow Follow John John Kontolefa Generally in a market based dispatch system like in much of the US, Wind Generators bid in based on best available weather forecasts that they usualy contract for. (They do get audited to insure their generation forecasts are based on weather data and are not being "gamed" to increase revenue.) Typically they get a "free pass" if their forecast is off in that they are not penalized and the ISO will generally take what ever energy they generate (within limits) at the market price or as part of a transfer. Rate payers then pay for any additional ancillary services. As part of security constrained dispatch, they do also have to curtail generation when commanded by the ISO.

This arrangement is strictly a political, although I can't see that it has caused any great hardship (except maybe to the other competing generators) from a cost or reliability point of view (so far). If wind peneration was to go up substantially ancillary services costs would be expected to rise to meet performance/reliability requirements. That is a cost most seem willing to put up with.
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How modern portfolio theory is applied to generation planning? what are the tools used and how it differs from least-cost planning considering renewable energy sources especially hydropower?
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AhmedUnfollow Follow Ahmed Ahmed Bachir https://www.ideals.illinois.edu/bitstream/handle/2142/11970/3_Beltran_Hector.pdf?sequence=5 3 hours ago Unlike