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nick
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Location: Los Angeles, CA,
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Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 6:20 am Post subject: Anti-Badboy/Anti-
Fidentia Scams and Reviews
From TC's board:
Anti-Badboy Blog?
I got an email from a fella named Byr today telling me about his new blog,
which seems to be all about Badboy...

Hey Thundercat,

since there were so many positive things written about Badboys workshops
in the past I thought it's time to put things a little bit into perspective. So I
created a little Blog a short time ago.

While it's not directly related to PU itself it could be interesting for guys who
want to participate at a workshop into the future.

The url is http://byrsblog.blogspot.com/. Take a look and decide if it could
be interesting for your readers.

Byr.

So I did take a look, and I was surprized to find that almost every post had
to do with critiquing Badboy. Here's Byr's reason for the blog...

I participated in a "Badboy-Workshop" at May 2004. I haven't got the
results I wanted and I wanted to make public that the Workshop wasn't able
to deliver according to the promises Badboy makes. But my honest update
of my first very positive review of this workshop was deleted by Badboy
from his forum. It's also difficult to impossible to discuss the topic in his
forum (where it belongs to inform potential new customers) because he
deleted threads and banned me multiple times. As a result I created this
Blog to post infos without being censored or banned.

I'm still struggeling with the problems I wanted so solve by taking the
workshop. I know that it's my responsibility to get the results I want and I
do not blame Badboy for that. But I do blame him for decieving his
customers, for the use of unethical marketing methods and for trying to
destroy my credibility by making unfounded accusations.

Having never met Badboy or taken a workshop of his, I can't speak to Byr's
accusations. I have had a number of friends of mine take Badboy's
workshop and come back extremely pleased with the results. I do know that
Badboy now has a new management team for his business and a few of his
old cohorts have splintered off to form Fidentia, a rival workshop business.
Could this be the reason for the sudden change? Who knows. It will be
interesting to keep an eye on Byr's blog, though.

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This guy seems a bit ridiculous. He turns everything Badboy says around
and uses it against him. It seems more political.

Badboy/Direct is a style, just like Mystery Method is a style and all that
jazz. This guy ought to find real scams to stalk, like Speed Seduction.

lol, just playin Ross. You know what I mean. This guy is putting too much
energy in going against something that doesn't really matter in the grand
scale of things.

I feel sorry for him really. The effort he puts into this and not himself is just
sad for me to see.

Posted by: bigsend | Aug 22, 2005 10:23:10 PM

Badboy is awesome. I've met a LOT of his recent students and they were all
happy...

However plenty of people have trouble continuing to improve after the
workshop, which is a problem with the students, regardless of the
instructor. Probably this guy is just bitter about that.

Magnus


Posted by: Magnus | Aug 23, 2005 4:47:36 AM

Some words about the background:

I'm not a Badboy-hater. I participated at one of his WS and really liked it at
the moment but I got no results.

After the WS Badboy demanded a review I should post in his public forum
before he grants me access to his students-forum. I wrote it and it was
really positive because it was written in the afterglow of the WS experience.
But few weeks later I was back to normal and had in fact not seen any
progress compared to my state before the WS. So two months later I wrote
a second review because I thought it was my responsibility to give readers
of my first review an update to put things right.

Result: The post was deleted from the forum (while my first positive review
is still there until now) and Badboy (and Nighlife who was the co-instructor
at my WS) tried to constrain posts of my problems to the hidden forum.
After I posted sometimes in the public part of the forum (because a lot
more people are writing there and I got much more and also better ideas on
how to improve) I was banned from the forum altogether.

Afterwards I looked in the forum from time to time and sometimes read
statements from Badboy how he is able to help anybody, how to 'fix' them
in few hours if they visit his workshops. After he called me 'sick' in one post
after someone ask about why he had killed some of my posts, I was
admittedly pissed and created the blog to post things Badboy couldn't
delete. Also I looked up some of his posts and put them there to make clear
how he seems to think about his business, his students and how he uses
exaggerated claims to sell his workshops.

Thats all. Its not my 'life' and I also don't want to stalk him. I simply
wanted to put things right. After I created the blog I got some mails from
other guys with similar problems who encouraged me to go on and so I
continued a little bit longer then I originally wanted. I don't know how long I
will carry on with this blog because there is not much more to say. But I
thought it could be interesting for others who think about participating at a
WS and who had only read positive reviews before. And so I sent a little
mail to thundercat to make it more public.

Of course it's up to you to draw your own conclusions. I simply want to give
out more informations to allow people to get a more complete picture.

Greetings, Byr.


Posted by: Byr | Aug 23, 2005 5:10:06 AM

Btw. he never stood up to any advice/challenge that was given to him.
Never ever.
Like saying Hi to 10 girls etc.

Just bitchin'

Posted by: ego | Aug 23, 2005 8:28:37 AM

Hey man business is business. Mystery & Savoy have a business
relationship,Fidentia students #close HBs cuz the girls get paid for it. So
what!

HEY GUYS!

THAT'S BUSINESS!

Posted by: Moto | Aug 23, 2005 9:14:12 AM

Moto, thats a quite reasonable point of view. And business isn't bad - as
long as it delivers. If not: People should say it loud and stop finding excuses
for someone only because they bought his product.

Most important: Students really need to stop writing reviews to soon after a
WS. Wait 2-3 month, review your situation and then write an honest review.
If you're satisfied and also if not.

But if certain WS vendors really bribe their customers by only giving refunds
to dissatisfied students which don't write a bad review thats MUCH worse
then paying girls to let themselfs pick up by a student or instructor. If
someone can really prove that, NOBODY should ever even consider to take
a WS with one of these vendors.

This whole stuff got really commercial. So treat it like that: Demand real
results for real money.


Posted by: Byr | Aug 23, 2005 11:10:01 AM

Fidentia instructors demonstrate approaches and also tell the theory part.

Fidentia students usually walk through city and approach AT WILL the girls
they see. It's like "fire at will"

Our method can do that all the time.

Ranko Magami
www.fidentia.org

Posted by: Shark | Aug 23, 2005 11:39:55 AM

4 letters

mASF

8 more letters

Soulseek

Don't spend your $$ on con artists.

Posted by: Avoid the Scam-Jockeys | Aug 23, 2005 11:40:06 AM

"So treat it like that: Demand real results for real money."

Totally true, but demand the results from yourself, not from anyone else...


Posted by: ego | Aug 23, 2005 11:40:14 AM

-Fidentia students usually walk through city and approach AT WILL the girls
they see. It's like "fire at will" -

yeaaa easy to say sharky my friend!
Day 1&2 are for cheap street approaches, day 3 is for the bars where paid
girls are waiting for yer students
I know the girls AND THEY KNOW ME. Not a good start for ya.Stop stealing
money from people.

for the rest of ya'll
read the testimonials.Day 3 ends with #close HBs at bars BUT NOT BY
WALKING THROUGH THE CITY.

got it?

I know the game u play.

Posted by: Moto | Aug 23, 2005 12:33:50 PM

Shark, I listened to your 8 cd Attract and Date coure (available at
www.attractanddate.com) It helped me a lot with my frame and also helps
me with the areas listed on your website:
--------------------
Help you to break out of your mental prison

Allow you to give yourself permission to be a man.

Break the "Work=sex model

Help you in understanding how women feel,

Understanding what they feel,

Understanding why they have those feelings,

explain what women ultimately want,

How most guys sabotage themselves,

Why most men are excusers,

explain and emotion and logic and how they affect us,

describe Male/female emotional incongruence,

help you realize male female communication dynamics

illustrate Rankos personal rapport guidelines,

Womens genetic programming and your response,

And of course,

Instructions on how to stop being an excuser

Specific Missions designed by Ranko to help you with each step of the way

Dating guidelines and why arguing in a relationship is a lost cause

How to break away from the bondage of society

And finally,

Free your mind.
------------------------
Attract and Date will not only help your inner game, but outer game as well.
Thank you for releasing the course Shark (www.attractanddate.com).


Posted by: i | Aug 23, 2005 5:10:12 PM

Moto, do you have any evidence that Fidentia hires "shills" to give positive
feedback to students?

I've heard the same about Mystery as well, but haven't seen any evidence.

Posted by: phpeters87 | Aug 23, 2005 6:13:58 PM

Moto is just some competitor. who is such an exzuer that he can't ewen use
his real internet nick, we have seen them before:)

Posted by: Shark | Aug 23, 2005 8:38:21 PM

The "afterglow" effect is very real and is a bane to customers of self-help
seminars and the like a boon to business. Many seminars will rev folks up so
that they feel like outstanding changes have happened and they're on top of
the world (the groupthink and bandwagon effects help a lot as does
isolation from their normal lives) and it is at that moment when many
trainers ask for feedback or testimonial (a few will even shove a camera in
folks' faces and ask them in turn to say good things with an added incentive
of a partial refund gift in exchange for the testimonial, creating group peer
pressure to respond as well as in essence paying for positive commercial
testimonials . . . ethically very very suspect but unfortunately a practice
that has become more common of late).

Once folks go back to their old lives then the context anchors all fire and
boom they slip back into old habits and thought patterns.

If a seminar "guarantees" permanent change then it should deliver . . . the
onus is on both the trainer and the student to affect the change . . . it ain't
a magick bullet . . . but responsible business practices are important.

Shills waiting in bars to meet and greet students? Really? Don't know about
any particular training setup but it wouldn't suprise me.

Then again, there are probably folks who would consider that sort of thing
an effective and valuable confidence-raising exercise (certainly a lot of folks
who go to seminars would have difficulty talking to women who are paid to
pretend to like them and talk to them so for them having success even with
that would seem a giant leap forward). However, it would seem to be more
of gimmick than actual change. Kind of like the folks who see the "vertigo"
induction for what it is versus the ones who rant about how pioneering it is.

I agree that one should not write what should be a thoughtful review until
well after an event. You'll get better perspective on how well you have been
able to integrate the processes and skills into your life and be able to note
longterm benefits at that level.

All the best,
Brian

Posted by: Brian David Phillips, PhD, CH | Aug 23, 2005 8:44:57 PM

-Moto, do you have any evidence that Fidentia hires "shills" to give positive
feedback to students?I've heard the same about Mystery as well, but
haven't seen any evidence.-

They have girls working for them: SD girls help them out at L.A.
workshops.L.A. chicks help them out SD workshops.Awesome way to give
Fidentia students their 'guaranteed' success haha
I know them.Hot party girls.Love'em.

THE_ONE was not only Mystery's little baby, he also worked as a
constructor for Mystery. Obviously, his Daddy taught him well


Posted by: Moto | Aug 23, 2005 10:38:51 PM


For MORE: http://byrsblog.blogspot.com/
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geoff



Joined: 22 Feb 2005
Posts: 101

Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 10:29 pm Post subject:
All I know is that the LA fidentia guys while decent guys as far as their
character, did not get laid period while in LA when I knew them. Seth
(dreamweaver) kept talking about how he was goign to date Daniel, a
standard waitress that I had pulled back to the mansion and fingered, and
who Tim later took back to the mansion and fooled around with. Definitely,
not LTR material. And Camron, well, he is a chatty guy with a good heart,
but does he get any type of results whatsoever.

Seth stayed in ProHo for two months and never got any chics, but he does
know a lot of theory, which for some guys is maybe valuable.

The only reason why I don't like this is because students have an image as
guys who can get results, and fidentia guys don't.

~~Geoff
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loverboy



Joined: 01 Aug 2005
Posts: 15

Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 12:52 am Post subject:
Cam and Seth are nothing to be concerned of. The only reason they got
students in the first place is because they got shark. Ranko (Shark) just put
out his 8 CD set, and he emailed me for advice seeing that as the PUAMedia
boys we are experts in the field They want to have a support forum and
put filmed examples of PU online. Because of legalities, they want to use
models. Now, Hugh and I have thought about this, and actually Keith
Richman of Big Boys Inc wants to pay us to do a series after he saw my
tribute video. We've also considered the same grounds, of whether we
should use models, and we obviously want to get in there first before
anyone else does. So they may sell a few CDs, but I don't think their field
programs are anything to be concerned of (for now).

As for badboy. Different story. They can afford to cancel all London
workshops for the rest of the year. I've seen his program, and most
students do leave pretty happy. The way he operates his
workshops/seminar is pretty interesting, and while any of us would eclipse
him in field, we can still gain from modelling certain aspects of their
program. I'll write my thoughts on it when I find time. But I heard lately 1st
hand that indeed they are not doing well, and getting complaints. I don't
think his students really get laid more from doing the program, but they feel
so 'alpha' after doing it, and he talks them into writing good reports.
Perhaps alot to do with why they have temporarily taken off their forum this
week.

Speaking of all this, when you google 'real social dynamics', the third result
from the top is oriel's rip off report. Despite the fact that nick had replied to
it, we should try and get it removed some how. There must be a way to
take it down by contacting the company or something. Not that it matters
much since we're doing great anyway. But woudl be nice to see it rid of.
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nick
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Joined: 10 Feb 2005
Posts: 85
Location: Los Angeles, CA,
USA
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 3:23 pm Post subject:
I recommend distancing ourselves from characters like Shark, Fidentia, etc.
They are just leaches of our business and lives. In regards to the google
issue, we are getting rid of this shortly. It was removed from google
previously, but it reappeared and I am having it removed once again.
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