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Regarding the motor that connect with Inverter(VFD) and the power cable of VFD
Greeting. I have wondered this technical specification for years since I started electrical engineering. Please clarify my long curiosity. 1. Regarding Motor that connect to VFD. Is there any special technical requirement for motor that connect with VFD(Inverter). Is there any technical difference between motor of DOL(direct on line) and motor of VFD(Inverter)? 2. Regarding power cable that connect to VFD, which means that the power cable is located between VFD and Motor. Is there any special requirement for the power cable?. I reviewed some reference for that. In some project, the power cable between motor and VFD is 3C+3PE and shield cable. but in other project, the power cable between motor and VFD is exactly same with the power cable of DOL, Just 3C XLPE/PVC cable. It would be grateful if you show me some technical standards number such as IEC or NEC article number...or some other electrical standards. thanks. 8 days ago

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MikeUnfollow Follow Mike Mike Sacher 1. Motor must be able to run at max frequency that the VFD is capable of as depending on VFD model it is capable of exceeding the frequency of the power source. Same as in transformer design the frequency affects the voltage and current within the motor windings.

2. Depending on manufacturer of VFD and hence it's power factor and efficiency rating the length of cable to the motor will affect the inductance of the VFD and is no different to reflection waves within HV power distribution grids. Basic electrical principles. 8 days ago Unlike Like

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WasifUnfollow Follow Wasif Wasif Mehmood Dear Bonggeun, Few pointers i learned while installing VFD drives at my site. Motor: -------1. Due to Step (impulsive) shape of the PWM waveform which is produced by the inverter for the motor, the insulation level of the motor (kV withstand level) needs to be much higher. Typically motors are classified as Inverter-Duty by the vendor. 2. Better manufacturers provide inverter motors with Insulated Bearings to prevent circulating currents to establish between rotor and stator into the earthing circuit. 3. Since the motor operates over a range of frequencies (Say for a 50hz rated motor, the frequency may vary from 30-50 Hz to control the motor speed). As a result the motor cooling fan operates at a lower-than-design speed and may not provide adequate cooling to the motor body. Typically, this consideration results in a larger frame size with improved cooling or a forced-cooling mechanism on the motor. Vendors specify the safe operating speed-limits (frequency band) as well. 4. The best way to thermally protect an inverter-fed motor is through internal RTD's and temperature based protection, as the thermal replica of motor in typical protection relays may not adequately represent the thermal state of a variable speed motor. Cable: -------1. Always connect the ground terminal of the VFD directly with the motor ground. 2. With certain VFD's, there is a limit to the distance between motor and the VFD drive. If the distance is exceeded, the standing waves phenomenon caused due to reflection of the high-frequency PWM waves from the load back toward the source can cause voltages as high as double the VFD inverter output to develop at the VFD terminals causing damage to the drive. Ask your vendor for the permissible cable lengths and if its being exceeded, ask him for remedial solutions, e.g., line filters.

Generally, VFD's are harmonics-causing devices which can negatively impact your equipment (motors, etc.) as well as pollute your power supply. It is always better to install line-conditioning equipment such as chokes, line filters, etc. when installing and have your sources checked against permissible harmonics content which can effect your other equipment connected on the same bus. 8 days ago Unlike Like

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HughUnfollow Follow Hugh Hugh Leyton Hi, I have no experience with VFD Motors or their VFD Drives. But if a VFD Drive was to give out clean, or near clean Sinewave Power, then the length and type of cable between the VFD and the Motor would not be of any significance. BUT, I suspect these VFD Drives give out all sorts of nasty switching noise and no doubt many Harmonics . . . . These can have all sorts of effects on the length and type of cable between the Drive and the Motor. . . . . Yes, reflections, causing Standing waves, which can peak at twice the basic voltage. . In addition, high power harmonics and other switching noise, could easily radiate away and effect other sensitive equipment and radio type equipment in the area. . . . .So it would appear, in those situations, important to SCREEN the cable to block the Radiation of all those nasty high frequencies. 8 days ago Unlike Like

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HughUnfollow Follow Hugh Hugh Leyton . If anyone is more interested in Reflections and Standing Waves, just let me know. There are some very interesting things that can happen and even things we can make good use of. . . . . . .Did

you know that the Vehicle Tail pipe after the last Silencer, is a designed, specific length for Standing waves. ! . ... But my experience is with much higher radio frequencies. 8 days ago Unlike Like

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GrahamUnfollow Follow Graham Graham Ison Standards references of relevance: NEMA Application Guide for AC Adjustable Speed Drive Systems NEMA MG1, ICS7, ICS7.1 IEC 61800 (parts) Adjustable speed electrical power drive systems IEC 60034 Rorating Electrical Machines IEC 60287 - supply cable sizing. - recall these currents are non-sinusoidal. Imbalance can be of significance. 7 days ago Unlike Like

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TeguhUnfollow Follow Teguh Teguh Santoso it is a relief to know that, thank you 7 days ago Unlike Like

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adnanUnfollow Follow adnan adnan ali if you want to connect the cable of motor with VFD the specification and size of cable is written in the mannual of VFD which you have purchased from company. 7 days ago Unlike Like

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Roger JUnfollow Follow Roger J Roger J Napper Hi Bonggeun, different VSD manufacturers recommend differing levels of cable specification between the inverter and the motor: e.g. ABB require a high level of specification (and have a publication giving recommendations, such as for 3C+3PE and shield cable). Small rating motors are often connected by standard 3 core armoured cable, but as the kW size increases, it is necessary to have quality EMC screening that has the motor line conductors in an electrically symmetrical arrangement with the protective earth conductor(s). This is when special cables such as 3C+3PE are useful, always remembering to include a total PE of at least 50% of the line conductor size. If a separate PE is required, it should be installed 300mm+ away from its associated line conductors. If possible, avoid the use of single core cables. A further complication is the necessity to provide high quality grounding of EMC cable screens, which may require the use of special glands (360 deg earthing). 5 days ago Unlike Like

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Hugh Leyton Hi, For a SCREEN to be fully effective, it must only be Grounded at one End. The PE is for the Earthing of the Motor Body. The Screen of a Screened Cable is to prevent Electro-static fields being radiated away. For that to work properly, the Screen Must NOT carry any PE or Neutral or any other currents, so it must only be Earthed at one end, usually the source end. 5 days ago Unlike Like

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MohammedUnfollow Follow Mohammed Mohammed A Aleem Hi, I am copying from an article I have from motor manufacturer article I keep, I believe it answers your questions: IEC 60034-25 illustrates the motor losses increase due to PWM supply by means of curves. NEMA MG1 Part 30 considers a derating factor (torque reduction) to avoid excessive overheating of a general purpose motor fed by converter, compensating for the circulation of harmonic currents due to the PWM voltage harmonic content The cable and the motor can be considered a resonant circuit, which is excited by the inverter rectangular pulses. When the values of R, L and C are such that the peak voltage exceeds the supply voltage (VDC 1.41 Vin), the circuit response to this excitation is a so called overshoot. The overshoots affect especially the interturn insulation of random windings and depend on several factors: rise time of the voltage pulse, cable length and type, minimum time between successive pulses, switching frequency and multimotor operation. The cable can be considered a transmission line with impedances distributed in sections of inductances/ capacitances series/parallel connected. At each pulse, the inverter delivers energy to the cable, charging those reactive elements. The signal arriving at the motor through the cable is partially reflected, causing overvoltage, because the motor high frequency impedance is greater than the cable impedance. Excessively long leads increase the overshoots at the motor terminals. According to the NEMA Application Guide for AC ASD Systems, with the modern IGBT controls overshoots begin to occur with a cable length of a few feet and can reach 2 times the control DC bus voltage

at a length less than 50 feet. In some cases, however, very long cables (in excess of 400 feet, for example) can result in a situation where the overshoot does not decay quickly enough. In this case the voltage peak at the motor terminals can ring up well beyond 2 times the inverter DC link voltage. This behavior is a function of the PWM pulse pattern Thanks, 5 days ago