Ukraine Speaks Talk Show: Vradiivka

July 8th, 2013 The present government of Ukraine is building terror and provoking malicious insults at the countrys population based on the principles shown in these materials. Every Ukrainian should see this talk show issue. The whole Ukraine is impregnated with violence of national administration where human dignity disappears. Administration of justice is built on such a tough structure.

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Host commentaries to the chronicle: A rebellion against police arbitrariness resulted in the imprisonment of all participants involved in a brutal crime. And only one question has been on everyones mind till now will the investigation be objective and will the accused be punished? Host: Hello. This is Ukraine Speaks. My name is Oleksiy Sukhanov. Irynas brother, Henadiy Krashkov is in our studio. When and under what circumstances, Heno, did you hear that Ira was in the hospital? Henadiy Krashkov (brother of suffered Iryna Krashkova Vradiivka urban-type settling , Mykolaivska oblast): I came to visit my mother, she was crying, and Ira was not there. We went to the store and her colleague tells us, Didnt you hear? Ira was beaten and raped. She was in bad shape when the ambulance took her. We rushed to the hospital immediately, then into surgery, and in the courtyard there was a bunch of police officers, and Polishchuk was crouching among them. I behaved as if I did not know anything: who, what, how and he immediately said to me, Im here for the same reason, he was frightened, tense, his eyes red. Host: So, you came to the hospital and saw Ira. In what condition was she? Henadiy Krashkov: In a serious condition. She hadnt had an operation. They didnt give her stitches on her head or mouth or her nose. Everything was torn out. Natalia and I saw it. I do not know, but weI have never seen anything like that before in all my 32 years. Host: Please tell us, when you left the hospital ward was Polishchuk gone? Henadiy Krashkov: I go out into the yard, there were a lot of cops, but Polishchuk was not there. I ask, Where is he? Where is this bastard? What is this? What is this? Hell be here soon! We were at the hospital for two days and saw neither hide nor hair of him. That is, most probably he was told to run away from there, because she Maybe its better that he did run away. Host: So, when Iryna was taken to the hospital, one of her friends was so shocked by her confession and story that he decided to record her statement on video fearing, God forbid, that she wouldnt survive. Your attention to the screen. Iryna Krashkova (rapers victum Vradiivka urban-type settling, Mykolaiv): They took me to the forest plantation, and beat me very hard. Then they took off my clothes. Dryzhak raped me and asked Polishchuk, Do you want to? He said, Yes. And also raped me. The third one did not touch me. Then they beat me severely. Then threw me out of the car unconscious and drove off. Then I hear that they are back. I hear the crackling of branches and theyre walking, looking for me. I bent down in the grass hiding so that they could not find me. Because if they did, theyd kill me there on the spot. Then I crawled to the road and started walking. As I walked my head was

spinning and I kept losing consciousness. I would lose consciousness, lay down in the grass for 10 minutes and then get up again. I had to walk very far. I thought I wasnt going to make it. Host commentaries to the chronicle: So, all night, a naked woman with a skull fractured in several places, with ragged wounds on her face, in a half conscious state was trying to get from the forest plantation to the village. She was able to walk to the mill on the edge of the village. Syrov is 18 kilometers from the district center. And this is what the woman who first saw Iryna told us. Svitlana Chubko (mill worker was the first to provide help to the raped Iryna Krashkova): Around ten oclock our employee saw a naked woman, beaten all over, standing in the corridor. She was holding sandals in her hands and was covering herself up with some burdock bush. She was beaten. Her head was smashed, lacerated, her lip was completely split open severely, bruises; her whole face was swollen and covered in blood. Dried blood on her headher hair was disheveled and covered with blood as well. Host: So, at the hospital Iryna named her torturers, those who nearly killed her and raped her Lieutenant Dmytro Polishchuk, Captain Yevheniy Dryzhak and the taxi driver Serhiy Ryabinenko. Please, go ahead Yaroslav Dunaiev (human rights activist, community leader): Commanding officers, on the 28th, thanks to your fellow villagers, when it became clear that this crime will not be covered up. And as such, Ryabinenko was chosen as the main guilty party. He had accepted all of the guilty charges. The rest had nothing to do with the crime. The other two had solid alibis. But Iryna affirms that it was Polishchuk and Dryzhak who raped her while Ryabinenko seemed... Moreover, when I called you on Saturday, the 29th, did I not verify the main offender? In your presence, Ira answered that it was Dryzhak. Polishchuk, and especially Ryabinenko were outsiders, they were direct subordinates to Dryzhak. By the way, from the very beginning the criminal case was opened under Article 125 minor injuries. Severe bodily harm, rape or missing personal belongings did not figure into the case. That is, Article 125 is trifling. And one Ryabinenko. On the 29th they begun to realize that they wont get away with this so easily. And rather than take the main offender Dryzhak, according to Irynas testimony into custody, they again decided to use the lower ranking Polishchuk. Only afterwards did we accidentally learn that Dryzhak is akin to a godson of Major General Parsenyuk, head of the regional police. Therefore, essentially we have before us another example of a member of the privileged class getting away with a crime. Host: So let's remember that Polishchuk and Ryabinenko were arrested immediately, while Derzhak remained free for some time because he allegedly had an alibi. As witnesses said he walked peacefully through the streets a few more days. Whether you acknowledge it or not, he went to the market and bought some grapes? Henadiy Krashkov: That's right. Host: Then some guests came to visit him and he made kebabs for them, right? Henadiy Krashkov: I do not know about kebabs, but I know that guys called me and said, Dryzhak drives like a thug with hand hanging out of the car. Host: Even the whole village knew that he had done? So Yuri, what an alibi had Dryzhak? Yuriy Kolesnykov (journalist/criminalist writer): It was like he was on duty at the time of the crime and like they even had a video, which they didnt show to anybody. Thats that I know.

Host: So it seems like Dryzhak spent all night in the police office? Yuriy Kolesnykov: Yes Yaroslav Dunaiev: A part of somebodys body was shown on the video. Yuriy Kolesnykov: Yes, it was, but when they were asked to show the full video, so exactly at the time of the crime, it turns out that there is no alibi. Host: Is it true that identification was conducted in the hospital, when investigators arrived to Ira? Henadiy Krashkov: Yes. Host: By using a flashlight Henadiy Krashkov: Yes. Host: It seems like as investigators arrived, the light went out for the whole process of identification, right? Henadiy Krashkov: Well, actually, how could it be an identification at 10 am, when its dark outside. She tells me then, Ill recognize him, he was the first, who raped me, I can recognize him among a thousand, how could it be that I dont remember this face. I remember everything. And the light in the hospital excludes drastically and then by using flashlights, candles and phone she pointed to the Dryzhak. Tetiana Montian (human rights activist): In fact, there was no necessity to make the identification, for the simple reason that she knew the man who raped her and nearly killed her, without any identification. She knew the name and position. This activity of the police was absolutely unnecessary. Host: Yes, Yuriy? Yuriy Kolesnykov: They probably (but that's my opinion) set a goal to deplete her. It was made for she said, I dont know. Host: So friends, I want to remind you that Captain Polishchuk and Ryabynenko, taxi driver were immediately taken into custody. Captain Eugene Dryzhak was at liberty for a few days, like, once again, he had an alibi and that's how Iryna speaks on this. Attention to the screen, please. Iryna Krashkova: I can say that its not true, because I know he was there. Why? Because he was the first, who raped me, beat, cursed. That was exactly Eugene Dryzhak. Off-screen voice: Could you confuse him with someone else? Iryna Krashkova: No, I couldnt, because I live in the village not the first time and I know him for a long time. Host: So, the rape of Iryna Krashkova and dubious alibi of Captain Dryzhak was the last straw and led to the fact that the residents Vradiivka patience snapped and started the most important thing. They went into rebellion. Attention to the screen. Host commentaries to the chronicle: Stones flew in the windows of the police office. In response police sprinkled the crowd with gas. Several people, including a child, got to the hospital. Almost overnight from July 2 to July 3 the police of Vradiivka sat in the basement for fear of the wrath of the locals. Today, our studio got one of the organizers of this rebellion in Vradiivka Anatolii Burlak, please greet him. Was it a kind of a spontaneous decision or you had to collect people from their homes? Anatolii Burlak (mass-meeting organizer based nearby Vradiivka police department Vradiivka urban-type settling , Mykolaivska oblast): So, the rape of Iryna Krashkova and dubious alibi of Captain Dryzhak was the last straw and led to the fact that the residents Vradiivka patience snapped and started the most important thing. They went into rebellion. Attention to the screen. Host: There were rumors that drunk people took part in this rebellion and that was a

mayhem done by drunk individuals. However, we have just seen both children and grandmothers being present there. So, it is rumors? Is it a deliberate spread of gossips? Or what is it? Anatolii Burlak: Moreover, it is an official statement of the Head of District Administration, Mr. Rostov. Furthermore, his wife, Ms. Rostova is a chief medical officer and she has made a fake report, stating that the victim had the minor injuries, and she refused to do the tests You know what kind of tests I mean. We are all grateful to our gynecologist for her courage as in spite of everything, she did those analyses. Her name is Iryna Stoiko. We I personally shook the hand of the former chief medical officer and now a surgeon who has refused to sign this act of theirs. That was it, that was a turning point. Host commentaries to the chronicle: Hence, shocking events in Mykolaiv region worries the whole country. On June 27th a young women was raped and brutally beaten there. A victim of the violence is a twenty-nine-year-old resident of Vradiivka, Iryna Krashkova. She told the police that she had been beaten and raped by two police officers, namely Lieutenant Dmytro Polishchuk and Captain Eugen Dryzhak. A local citizen, Sergii Ryabynenko also took part in beating. Host: Further we will find out why close friends of the policeman, Eugen Dryzhak still believe in his innocence. Let us try to get in touch with the Captain Dryzhaks friends. Let us, for example, call his friend, Oleksandr, who still does not believe that his friend is guilty. (Phone is ringing). Oleksandr: Yes? Host: Good evening, Oleksandr. Oleksandr: Good evening. Host: This is talk show Ukraine Speaks and me, its host Oleksiy Sukhanov. Well, tell us, Iryna Krashkova, who was raped and beaten, says that it was done by your friend, Captain Dryzhak. Moreover, she claims that she was also raping her. Why dont you believe Irynas testimony? Oleksandr: A person cannot do such thing, when he has plans for future, for a career, for a wedding with his beloved girlfriend. He just could not have done it. Host: Sasha, wait, but everyone in Vradiivka is protesting and is against all this, in particular against your friend. Oleksandr: You know, maybe it was accumulating, but it is not all his fault. Maybe these feelings were accumulating because of everyone but the anger for all harm that was done before should not be broken on him. Because he is said to be a monster. Shout in the room: Because it is true! Noise. Oleksandr: In real life he is not this kind of person which he is pictured to be. He cannot do this. He is not a freak or a moron to do this. Host: Thank you, Sasha, for your time. This is talk show Ukraine Speaks and we continue to talk about events in the small town of Vradiivka. Host commentaries to the chronicle: A rape of a woman that was done by two police officers has led to the peoples revolt where people were storming the police station; they remembered and remind the police all the unsolved crimes of the past. Citizens openly declared that they had been beaten up, humiliated and insulted; they had been held in fear and had not been allowed to express their opinions. Now they frankly claim local police officers to be criminals. The events of the last days made this people braver, and today they are ready for more than in previous years. Host: I would like to invite here a mother and an aunt of a girl who was killed three years ago. It is Vita Yakovecka, who also lived in Vradiivka. Women believe that the

police officers were involved with Vitas murder. Please, welcome! (Vityas mother and aunt enter the place). Host: So, it is true that you believe that the same police officers were involved with Vityas murder? Vityas mother: Yes. Host: Who found the body? Vityas mother: A police officer did. Host: Which police officer did do that? Vityas mother: Two police officers, two of them! Anatolii Burlak (leader of Vradiivka revolt): Polishchuk did! Tetiana Montian, human rights activist: Polishchuk. Host: So it was Polishchuk, who found the body? Yuriy Kolesnykov (journalist/criminalist writer): That is not all. See, when the question was raised In fact, the question was raised in Vradiivka, so how that could happen that Polishchuk had found the body. And the alibi was made up for him right away as supposedly he was studying somewhere at that time and could not be present in Vradiivka. Thus, the villagers say one thing and the police is stating otherwise. Host: Look, but could it be that Here, Dima, could it be that it was just a coincidence that Polishchuk found the body? Could it be a simple coincidence? Dmytro Hroisman, human activist defender: In theory it could have been it, but in practice such a coincidence is very unlikely to take place. Given that analogy that could be traced now, it is almost impossible Vityas mother: Yes, the man that was charged with this crime could now have done it. Oh To start with, my daughter was a bid girl, where as he is this small (She shows the height). Host: And who was convicted of this crime? Liudmyla Yakovetska, Vityas mother: Ivan Rozhko was. When she was found, she was all beaten, desolated, raped She was raped by four people Host: To tell you the truth, while preparing for this program, we contacted with this Ivan, who was convicted of this allegedly murder of Vita. Attention to the screen. That is what he has told us Ivan Rozhko (phone call): Frankly speaking, I was in shock when they have just brought me there. The Head of police office and the Head of the prosecutors office, Mochalko, were there. When I was only brought there, they told me, Tell us. I said: What should I tell you? Tell us how you killed. I said, I did not kill anyone. After this Mochalko said, Oh well, it is fine. You have five minutes. I was taken from the room to the office of investigator and as they say, they showed me a few martial arts techniques, and they brought me back. Tell us everything, they said. Even if one wanted it, he or she could not suffer long in there. Firstly, when I was just imprisoned, to tell you the truth, I had such thoughts that I did not want to live any more. I just wanted to hang myself. Host: That same prosecutor of the Vradiivka district, Sergei Mochalko, who was mention in the story of Ivan, got fired. He got fired due to the improper fulfillimg of his duties. Can a dismissal be the solution of the situation in this case? Tetiana Montian: Of course not! This is known as the so-called operation Swedish cut-tails. We'll rule out those who can not be saved, who can not be found innocent. Yaroslav Dunaiev: I want to clarify about the resignations. A little more than a year ago the case Makar ended up. General prosecutor and Minister of the Interior said that three police officers and three prosecutors had been excommunicated. Not even half a year passed as all six public officials returned to their previous possition.

Moreover, some of them including regional prosecutor, were promoted in Kyiv. They lied to us. Host: So here we can expect the story to be repeated? Tetiana Montian: Do not even doubt. Mochalko has the whole latifundium there, how can he be without Vradiivka? He'll be back a little later. But I really urge journalists, if you have mentioned this man, if you are already informed that he'd spoken to you on the phone from the prison, keep an eye on him. Because this man can not survive. Dmytro Hroisman: It is an urgent need to find a lawyer for that person because he is actually on the verge of death. it can be done easily by other prisoners. It is very easy. Host: Were you there at this meeting that we have talked about? Guests from Vradiivka: Yes, of course. Host: Could you please tell us, the people of Vradiivka went out of their own volition? Guests from Vradiivka: Yes. Host: So this was their sincere desicion? Elderly woman 1: Yes, they went out of their own volition. Elderly woman 2: Some people reported to others and everybody joined. Host: The dissatisfaction of Vradiivka's inhabitants with the actions of law enforcement officers has been accumulated for a long time. People staged a revolt. People are tired to tolerate it. Locals still remembered the murder of 15-year-old student Alina Porkol that happened in 2011. Attention to the screen. Host commentaries to the chronicle: Alina went to school on 18th January. After school she called her parents saying she was going to do the manicure, but she has never returned home. Next morning she was found dead near the pond. We have talked with the father of Alina about his suspicions. Father: There was a rumor about Dryzhak. When the police was asked, he was on guard. Just as in this present case. Ira and my daughter had very similar beating. For example, the left eye, the right cheek and head beaten. But Ira survived, and Alina was drowned. Host: But what was said in the village after Alina's murder? Senior woman Liudmyla Yakovetska: That that was the second murder like this. It is the same mafia, the same style of murder. Host: Who was pointed out as a guilty then? Anatolii Burlak: Dryzhak, clearly. Host: Somehow, through torture done by police officers, eleven people had confessed to the murder of Alina. Three of them committed suicide, two others had been killed in the district police station. I want to invite to this studio the father of one of the boys accused in the death of Alina, Andriy Stepanyuk from Vradiivka. What happened to your son? Andriy Stepaniuk: This kind of trouble happened to my son: he received 5 days of prison for hooliganism, and on the fifth day they brought me his corpse. Host: He was killed there? Andriy Stepaniuk: In short, the results of the examination indicated that he hanged himself. They took one picture of him, he laid in the corridor. In short, he was thrown there as a garbage. Host: What kind of statements they wanted to hear from him? Andriy Stepaniuk: This was just that time , everybody was asked about this little girl that was drowned. Host: Pan Andriy, but how you all could live with it in Vradiivka, with all this

outrage? People were captured, killed, compelled to testify against their will .. And everybody kept silent? Have you been threatened? Andriy Stepaniuk: Well, officially I wasn't threatened. The fact is that I have a neighbor, living next to me. Her son had been hanged as well, just like mine. Often, the threatening letters are tossed, that if you will not keep silent, then you'll end up as he did. This is the problem. And how can I say something, if I still have two sons, daughter, grandchildren. Dmytro Hroisman: This man began by saying that his son was punished for disorderly conduct and received five days. But he did not committed even a petty vandalism. If we take a look at the administrative list of all detainees by local police in Vradiivka, we will see a terrible thing. I suppose, I have not read but I bet that in these days when there was investigation about the murder of that girl, in this strange village occured a huge number of disobedience. Dozens of people committed infringements, refused to obey police and were detained. Courts acknowledge them guilty and ascribed them punishment in the form of administrative detention. Of all these dozens of people, you think that the judges did not that they may judge innocents? And it was easy done. The chiel of the local police went of sometimes just phoned them and said something like We are interrogating Vasya about the murder of that girl. Ascribe him 10-15 days of administrative detention as a punishment. Isn't the judge who made this detention possible the murder of this man (detainee) ? He is. Aren't all those people who knew for what the person was punished, but who didn't quit his job, did not returned the license and the gun and said I' do not want to work in this band ... Aren't they murderers? They are. That's why it is impossible to blame just one person. Yuriy Kolesnykov: I talked with other families of affected. The problem is that they all indicate that the head of the police or was directly torturing or at least was present at the torture. Interestingly, after this story, there was no proceedings and as far as I know, no official decisions in the police office of Vradiivka. Host: Who should be responsible for these crimes? Who should be responsible? Yuriy Kolesnykov: In fact, all of them are responsible. All, literally. You see, it happened to be that there nearby the district police station you can meet some exofficials. Once, one of the ex-officials came to me and said, Well why do you oppress them so much, half of them are normal guys. At first I thought, I hadn't heard well. Listen again: half of them are normal. That means that the other half are totally bastards. Host: Our next heroe knows how in the police station of Vradiivka people are forced to declare themselves guilty. Please, meet Gryhorii Mogilyov from Zaharivka village of Vradiivka's area. Grygoriy, how did it happen that you were accused of murdering your mother? Gryhorii Mogilyov (victum of Vradiivka custodians tortures Zakharivka village, Mykolaivska oblast): It happened almost seven years ago. November 16th , I came to my mothers place and found her dead. She was stabbed. I called police from neighbors house. Host: So did police consider that you killed her? Gryhorii Mogilyov: Yes, according to its logic, as I was explained later (in a week) when I was brought there with my wife. They just sat me on the chair and claimed, So, Gryhorii, confess, how did you kill your mother.

Host: Were you beaten up? Gryhorii Mogilyov: Yes. I was electroshocked. Host: Tell us more about it, please. Gryhorii Mogilyov (in the year of 2006 Vradiivka custodians accused him of murdering his own mother at no reason): I was at criminal investigation department for two days. Unofficially. Without any documents. Host: You mean that you were there for two days without registration or any legal sanction? Gryhorii Mogilyov: Yes, I was in the investigators office. Host: Did they let you sleep at least? Gryhorii Mogilyov: No. On the first day I was kept in the room #14 where I was interrogated in turns by almost all investigators of the criminal investigation department. I was asked the same questions. I guess, in order to confuse me, I dont know. They were 10 or 12 people with the then head of the criminal investigation department Sinitskyi. By the way he was promoted later, after the case, he became the chief of the region police department. Host: And how were you tortured? What did they do to you? Gryhorii Mogilyov: On the second day I had to stand. Silnytskyi told me to. I said: Guys, you can do whatever you want to me. I allow you. As long as you find for the murderer of my mother. So I was standing for twenty four hours and then, on Sunday, at 5 PM, I was taken to Region Court, to the office of the Judge Alla Sorochan. Alla Sorochan, beautiful young lady, said to me, Mr. Mogilyov, do you know why you are here? I said, Generally, yes. My mother was killed. This is the case. She answered, No, and claimed, On day you, being drunk, started to importune Mr. Hulko near the Vradiiv pond, on the bridge, demanding money. Host: Did you really do that? Gryhorii Mogilyov: At that time I had already been at the department for two days. Unofficially. So Silnytskyi was sitting next to me on. I listened to it all and then said, First of all, I do not drink. I am not even eating candies with alcohol. Silnytskyi gave me a really mean and evil look. Afterwards, I was taken to the hall where I saw the victim 2 meter tall, big man so-called zhlob wearing rings and golden chain. They were talking for ten minutes, then they called me. Judge Sorochan condemned, Ten days under arrest. So I was brought back to the department. Second floor, the office of investigator. There were many of them, 10 or 12 people. There was my fellow villager major Palamarchuk, the then first assistant chief of operational work. He said, Hryhoryi, fellow villager, guess, what will be happening now. Another policeman, Taratutenko put chair, unraveled wires. It will be Gestapo. And then famous police quote, No, it wont be gestapo, it will be the Ukrainian police. This quote imprinted on my memory. So I sat, I had no choice, then I was handcuffed. They sticked one wire to handcuffs, another to my neck. Then they watered me from a kettle. Is it for better connection? I asked. Oh, you are a man with sense of humor. So they put a hat on my face so that I couldnt see and Taratutenko started to push the button asking me, Confess, Gryhorii. How did you kill your mother? Palamarchuk, a man from my village, was

sitting right there. My mother was historian, his mother was mathematician. They worked together in the same school all their lives. My mother used to teach him and then this sadist was interrogating me how I had killed my mother. They electroshocked me. I was screaming. But no one could hear me. It was Sunday evening. Host: And who was finally imprisoned? Gryhorii Mogilyov: Daughter-in-law. Host: Was she a murderer? Gryhorii Mogilyov: Of course, no. Host: Was she tortured as well? Gryhorii Mogilyov (vradiivka investigators were trying to knock prejudicial evidences out of him for two hours): Sure. And my wife was tortured. And my brother died because of the case. Do you understand? The whole family was destroyed, four people suffered the most. Besides the whole village was beaten, broken. The neighboring villages, Ivanivka and Hrazhdanivka were involved too. I personally saw when police from three region departments was lined up and general Parseniuk in civilian ordered, (bitches) you have three days to find him. Do you understand, he gave them a command like to dogs. And they started dragging everyone to the departments, sometimes just beating up people. It peaked at the point when police beat up a pregnant 25 year old woman and she lost her baby. Yuriy Kolesnykov (journalist/criminalist writer): Look, if I'm mistaken, Ill be corrected. They not only beat women there, but also raped them during that case. Gryhorii Mogilyov: The fact that my wife was raped, I found out later, you understand? Host: She was raped, wasnt she? Gryhorii Mogilyov: Raped, beat, as a result shes gone mad. This inquest, this outrage has lasted for six month. My wife was taken away for 2-4 times. She was intimidated to such extent that she still feels frightened and doesnt tell almost anything. Only once she told me fragmentary, that she was locked in crooked lake, I had to wait for day and night, before they gave her back to me. I arrived at 9 am, the second day at 8 a.m. they gave her back to me, brought her to a threshold: Here, take her away. You see, they returned me almost eliminated person, an invalid, the second day I took her to Domaniyivskyi hospital (that was Saturday), called for doctor, psychiatrist she only looked Thats all, you should take her to Sapyetnyu (we have such a Mental Hospital near Mykolaiv). Medical treatment, of course, was not effective; militiamen also were there few times, in Sapyetnyu, asked psychiatrists, how she behaved, tried to find out whether she was able to tell something or not. Gryhorii Mogilyov (his wife has gone mad under the tortures of vradiivka policemen): Oleksiy, for you to understand, why people rebelled, yes? I mean, when this girl has been knocked, when they understood that, people have elementarily frightened, that everything will start again. That incidental, in quotes, hangings in cells, death during interrogatories, bruised kidney - all will appear again. Cops still dont understand, what they have really done. They always did it Tetiana Montian (human rights defender): In all districts, only in Vradiivka. Yuriy Kolesnykov: If people have not risen to rebel, this woman would not have

given any evidence; she wouldve been just murdered in a hospital. Lets understand it distinctly. Tetiana Montian: Shed have been murdered, with no doubt! Yuriy Kolesnykov: Theyd have just killed her! Tetiana Montian: In each small town, like this, we have a conglomerate of people, who organize lawlessness. They are: the head of police department, district attorney, the head of district administration, and the local head of the SBU, to whom there is one requirement: To prevent the situation, when peoples shock becomes a riot. And they also state a requirement You may do everything, what you want, but if you go too far and people start to attack the department, then well start gradually knocking off your heads. And such situation is usual for all Ukraine. If you dig in each such Vradiivka in Ukraine, then youll find the same lawless people, only surnames will change, and even fable of crimes will be the same Host: And is surname Dryzhak familiar to you? Gryhorii Mogilyov (in the year of 2006 vradiivka custodians at no reason accused him of murdering his own mother): Then they have not appeared yet, it was 7 years ago, Polishchuk, apparently, was still young. I do not know these people. Host: But there was Sinitskiy, there has already been Sinitskiy, bossed Sinitskiy? Gryhorii Mogilyov: Sure. Dmytro Hroisman: Is there a difference now, which names...? Gryhorii Mogilyov: Mochalko was a prosecutor then. Dmytro Hroisman (human activist defender): Listen, if person says that hes been tortured on the eyes of all district police investigators, then there were 10-15 people in the room, Was that what you said? Gryhorii Mogilyov: Yes. Dmytro Hroisman: ...Then whats the difference, which surnames this people have? I want to tell you, which year was it, 2007?? Gryhorii Mogilyov: 2006 2007, yes. Dmytro Hroisman: Namely that was the period, when Lutsenko was a Minister, wasnt it? Gryhorii Mogilyov: Lutsenko was. Dmytro Hroisman: Yes? So look: there is no difference between the militia then and now. Anatolii Onishchuk (head of attested labour union workers belonging to Internal Affairs of Ukraine): I want to tell you that events in Vradiivka have probably shown the problem of the system. Today if we talk and change something in one department, any of the law enforcement departments, nothing will change or happen today its extremely necessary to start the reform of whole law enforcement sector. Host: It means then, look: well, three criminals were arrested, apparently, criminals, which appeared to be involved in this beating and raping, but the main figurants senior officials were simply dismissed. Tetiana Montian: They continue the investigation, without a doubt, the main culprits are involved in investigation and they havent gone anywhere, and they will influence on all this lawlessness. Host: Listen to me, but what is necessary for the same Sinitskiy or Mochalka to be not just dismissed, but maybe, to get a kind of punishment? Tetiana Montian: You know, if they are attacked by someone, theyll open their mouths and hand over the entire system, from top to bottom, but who will let them do it, just think? Host: It was Ukraine Speaks, thank you for being with us. Goodbye.