FMEA 4th Edition Blank P and D FMEA Sheets in Excel

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FMEA 4th Edition Blank P and D FMEA sheets in Excel .xls spreadsheets
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qualityboi
FMEA 4th Edition Blank P and D FMEA sheets in Excel .xls spreadsheets
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9th January 2009 12:40 PM
For those of you that might be "anal" like me and must have your pFMEA and dFMEA forms look verbatim like the ones in the FMEA 4th Edition blue books I have attached these two excel spreadsheets. The only thing different is that the line for "Core Team" does not go completely across the page. Compare with pages 24 and 74 of the 4th edition FMEA blue book...this is just one of my many little idiosyncrasies.
Ajit Basrur
Thanks for sharing :agree:
10th January 2009 04:36 AM
Re: FMEA 4th Edition Blank P and D FMEA sheets in Excel .xls spreadsheets
Chandradhar Shukla - 2009

what formula is used for RPn as i know it is S*O*D.
Ajit Basrur
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In Reply to Parent Post by Chandradhar Shukla (Post 292102) what formula is used for RPn as i know it is S*O*D.
You could check in the MS Excel spreadsheet ! Yes, RPN is S X O X D - stated in the spreadsheet as 5 X 8 X 8 = 320 :)
Helenliu
17th February 2009 12:55 AM
Re: FMEA 4th Edition Blank P and D FMEA sheets in Excel .xls spreadsheets If current process control is only "P" and no "D" action, how can I assess the "Detection" value? Does it mean the "Detection" value should be 10?:o
Mark Paul
19th March 2009 10:21 PM
I don't have the current AIAG copy. Looking at the excel doc in the OP, did AIAG mess up in that the occurence number column should actually be after the Potential Cause of Failure and then the Prevention/Detection Controls columns next to each other with the Detection number column reflecting both control columns???:confused::confused::confused:
Stijloor
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20th March 2009 01:28 AM
In Reply to Parent Post by Mark Paul (Post 303884) I don't have the current AIAG copy. Looking at the excel doc in the OP, did AIAG mess up in that the occurence number column should actually be after the Potential Cause of Failure and then the Prevention/Detection Controls columns next to each other with the Detection number column reflecting both control columns???:confused::confused::confused:
Mark, Yes, on first sight, it looks a little strange...but it's not a mistake. Here is why.. Occurrence rankings are influenced by the prevention controls provided that they are formally integrated in the process. For example, Poka Yoke's (which make a process more robust/error-proof) have a direct impact on the Occurrence rankings. That's why the Root Cause and Prevention columns are placed next to each other. You can still use the more traditional FMEA form if you wish. The 4th Edition manual offers various layouts. Remember, content is much more important than its package. Stijloor.
purushoth_dgstl
Re: FMEA 4th Edition Blank P and D FMEA sheets in Excel .xls spreadsheets how should i conduct DFMEA and give ratings to the failure of an AC motor.... plz help in conducting DFMEA for AC motor....
15th April 2009 02:16 AM
Stijloor
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In Reply to Parent Post by purushoth_dgstl (Post 308522)
how should I conduct DFMEA and give ratings to the failure of an AC motor.... please help in conducting DFMEA for AC motor....
Have you received formal training in the FMEA process? If not, it would be difficult to walk you through the entire process. There is some good information here at The Cove Forums related to specific FMEA issues but I do not know if it would makes sense without a decent understanding of FMEA. Stijloor.
QEngineer777
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14th May 2009 01:56 PM
Here are couple of documents my we use, silimiar to some here but I have a few extra perks.
Geng Xu Chu
8th July 2009 10:04 AM
/ Potential failure mode affects safe vehicle operation and/or involves noncompliance with government regulation without warning. 10 / Potential failure mode affects safe vehicle operation and/or involves noncompliance with government regulation with warning. 9 Loss of primary function (vehicle inoperable, does not affect safe vehicle operation). 8 Degradation of primary function (vehicle operable, but at reduced level of performance). 7 Loss of secondary function (vehicle operable, but comfort / convenience functions inoperable). 6
Geng Xu Chu
8th July 2009 10:05 AM
Degradation of secondary function (vehicle operable, but comfort / convenience functions at reduced level of performance). 5 > 75 Appearance or Audible Noise, vehicle operable, item does not conform and noticed by most customers (> 75%). 4 50 Appearance or Audible Noise, vehicle operable, item does not conform and noticed by many customers (50%). 3 < 25 Appearance or Audible Noise, vehicle operable, item does not conform and noticed by discriminating customers (< 25%). 2 No discernible effect. 1
Vicman
Re: FMEA 4th Edition Blank P and D FMEA sheets in Excel .xls spreadsheets THANKS qualityboi
5th August 2009 07:04 PM
Ashok GS
Re: FMEA 4th Edition Blank P and D FMEA sheets in Excel .xls spreadsheets Thanks a lot ! Nice timing, since I had to work using this in the coming months :)
12th August 2009 05:06 AM
gksgks
thanks sir!:)
nds17
25th May 2010 12:31 AM
I am new to quality in the software industry. I have so many times about FMEA but I am unaware about it. Please someone Help me....to know... what is FMEA and how is it performed in Software industry??? If any basic presentation materials are there...please share me so that I can get to know this topic effectively... Firstly to get very basic knowledge... what to read and how to go through this topic .... Plzzzz Help me....!!! :thanx:
harry
Re: FMEA 4th Edition Blank P and D FMEA sheets in Excel .xls spreadsheets You'll have to do some reading. See: FMEA in software projects Software FMEA as a functional approach of a system FMEA
25th May 2010 12:47 AM
birdy0721
24th June 2010 08:10 AM
Hi, I am looking for an example of a (completed) DFMEA, related to (Micro) electronics. I am not an electronic engineer from backgrouwn but have to deliver a training for this kind of audience. One of the requests coming from the organization was to create a fictional example to work with the class to complete a DFMEA in the first place and to continue this into a PFMEA. The business is running in communication technology, sensor systems, safety systems and so on. I already have scanned the internet (Elsmar, fmea-fmeca.com and fmeainfocentre.com). I would appreciate your replies. Regards, B
patatras
26th June 2010 08:00 AM
Re: FMEA 4th Edition Blank P and D FMEA sheets in Excel .xls spreadsheets :) many thanks for sharing. Regarding Classification colum do you use also OS(Opearator Savety) and HI (High Impact ) Characteristics? In this attached form the formula for CLASS concerns only CC and SC (defined in FAP 03-111
cssohals
Hi
Can any body help me to answer:1) As per fourth edition there will be no limit to the RPN (e.g some comapnies take action above 100 RPN ONLY ) is it true??? 2) AND IF S*O=36 even then action can be taken WAITING FOR THE ANSWER,THANKS IN ADVANCE
Stijloor
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In Reply to Parent Post by cssohals (Post 416434) Hi Can any body help me to answer:1) As per fourth edition there will be no limit to the RPN (e.g some companies take action above 100 RPN ONLY ) is it true??? 2) AND IF S*O=36 even then action can be taken WAITING FOR THE ANSWER,THANKS IN ADVANCE
Welcome to The Cove Forums!! :bigwave: :bigwave: This 100 RPN threshold was never a requirement in any of the versions of the FMEA manuals. That is something companies put onto themselves. As an auditor, I found FMEA procedures stating that if an RPN value dropped below 100, no action needed to be taken. Obviously, all the RPN values were below 100. :mg: An organization must decide on actions taken. The FMEA manual has recommendations as far as taking action is concerned. Look it up under "Recommended action." Stijloor.
rku140
5th April 2011 06:10 AM
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In Reply to Parent Post by Stijloor (Post 303893) Mark, Yes, on first sight, it looks a little strange...but it's not a mistake. Here is why.. Occurrence rankings are influenced by the prevention controls provided that they are formally integrated in the process. For example, Poka Yoke's (which make a process more robust/error-proof) have a direct impact on the Occurrence rankings. That's why the Root Cause and Prevention columns are placed next to each other. You can still use the more traditional FMEA form if you wish. The 4th Edition manual offers various layouts. Remember, content is much more important than its package. Stijloor.
Hi, Does this mean that I can use any format for FMEA and still complying to the 4th Edition requirement?, why that all the format I am seeing is having the OCC after the Current Control (Prevention)?, still having the confusion.. B Rdgs
andtyl
7th April 2011 04:17 PM
I can't answer the part about using "any format", but as far as the second question... The Occ column in after the Preventions column because you are supposed to consider the occurance in light of the preventive actions that you have taken. If you complete more preventive actions, you can re-evaluate the occurance. The Det column is after the Detections column because you are supposed to consider the likelihood of detecting the problem via the detection actions you are planning to take. Andtyl :)
Stijloor
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7th April 2011 05:55 PM
In Reply to Parent Post by rku140 (Post 427386) Hi, Does this mean that I can use any format for FMEA and still complying to the 4th Edition requirement?, why that all the format I am seeing is having the OCC after the Current Control (Prevention)?, still having the confusion.. B Rdgs
Remember, the AIAG FMEA (4th Ed.) Manual is a set of guidelines, not a requirement. The use of the manual is often required by automotive customers, but the FMEA process and its associated form and layout is determined by you. Stijloor.
rku140
Re: FMEA 4th Edition Blank P and D FMEA sheets in Excel .xls spreadsheets HI, Thank you for the reply, really appreciate it. B Rgds
9th April 2011 12:25 AM
rku140
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9th April 2011 12:26 AM
In Reply to Parent Post by Stijloor (Post 427965) Remember, the AIAG FMEA (4th Ed.) Manual is a set of guidelines, not a requirement. The use of the manual is often required by automotive customers, but the FMEA process and its associated form and layout is determined by you. Stijloor.
HI, Thank you for the clarification. B Rgds :)
rku140
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9th April 2011 12:28 AM
In Reply to Parent Post by andtyl (Post 427948) I can't answer the part about using "any format", but as far as the second question... The Occ column in after the Preventions column because you are supposed to consider the occurance in light of the preventive actions that you have taken. If you complete more preventive actions, you can re-evaluate the occurance. The Det column is after the Detections column because you are supposed to consider the likelihood of detecting the problem via the detection actions you are planning to take. Andtyl :)
Hi, Thks for the reply, now it is making some sense. B Rgds. :)
rku140
21st April 2011 04:24 AM
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In Reply to Parent Post by andtyl (Post 427948) I can't answer the part about using "any format", but as far as the second question... The Occ column in after the Preventions column because you are supposed to consider the occurance in light of the preventive actions that you have taken. If you complete more preventive actions, you can re-evaluate the occurance. The Det column is after the Detections column because you are supposed to consider the likelihood of detecting the problem via the detection actions you are planning to take. Andtyl :)
HI, for a particular failure mode or Potential cause consideration, If I am not able to determine the current process control (prevention), can I put 'none' in the column and just consider the OCC as it is or I must fill up the column?. Appreciate some input on this. Rgds, :confused:
megahertz
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12th July 2011 11:39 PM
In Reply to Parent Post by rku140 (Post 430414) HI, for a particular failure mode or Potential cause consideration, If I am not able to determine the current process control (prevention), can I put 'none' in the column and just consider the OCC as it is or I must fill up the column?. Appreciate some input on this. Rgds, :confused:
Hi rku140, I've seen some FMEA with empty collumn for current process control (prevention) and according to them, the occurence are totally based on the happening rate of that failure in their system. But I personally feel that we should have something in control such as work instruction or standardize operation sheet that we can put in as a control method. rgds, Wan Zamzahidi
pv20092010
Thanks 4 sharing
1st September 2011 04:56 AM
maesci
FMEA 4th Edition severity, occurrence and detectability rankings
4th November 2011 11:03 AM
Hi guys. I have to update my pFMEA procedure but I can't wait for the AIAG manual, as I will be able to order it only next month. Does anybody have the severity, occurrence and detectability rankings listed in the FMEA 4th edition? Thx. :thanx:
Stijloor
Re: FMEA 4th Edition severity, occurrence and detectability rankings
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In Reply to Parent Post by maesci (Post 457086) Hi guys. I have to update my pFMEA procedure but I can't wait for the AIAG manual, as I will be able to order it only next month. Does anybody have the severity, occurrence and detectability rankings listed in the FMEA 4th edition? Thx. :thanx:
Welcome to The Cove Forums! :bigwave: :bigwave: Some of us here have the FMAE 4th Edition. However, posting these pages here will likely be a copyright violation. Stijloor.
supreecha
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Re: FMEA 4th Edition Blank P and D FMEA sheets in Excel .xls spreadsheets Pls. kindly help me for review and revise (if any ) Severity, Occurrence and detectability rankings listed in the FMEA 4th edition?
Summary Table of FMEA 4th edition

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(6 in General Changes - 6 in DFMEA Changes - 9 in PFMEA Changes)
learnever
Rightly said.
16th February 2012 01:32 AM
Have seen most people stuck up with forms, thinking they are sacrosanct, holy designs. The forms are means for how to count things, which succeeds, 'why' and 'what' of it. Thanks.
skyim
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25th July 2012 04:16 AM
In Reply to Parent Post by Helenliu (Post 298020) If current process control is only "P" and no "D" action, how can I assess the "Detection" value? Does it mean the "Detection" value should be 10?:o
Interesting question, I am also keen to know what is the definition of Controls Prevention in Current Process. Is it a system where it is able to prevent the Potential Cause from happening...? If it is so where Controls Prevention is good enough to prevent Potential Cause from taking place then it will no longer be detected or detectable by Controls Detection. Then Detection value will be at the high end..eg. 10?? If that is the case, then even if it has good Controls Prevention system in the current process but the Detection may still has a high value if it is not detectable........ Anyone please enlighten me on this...
AHUNT2000
Re: FMEA 4th Edition Blank P and D FMEA sheets in Excel .xls spreadsheets Forms look good...Thanks for the effort.
25th April 2013 09:52 AM
whtan02
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In Reply to Parent Post by qualityboi (Post 291919) For those of you that might be "anal" like me and must have your pFMEA and dFMEA forms look verbatim like the ones in the FMEA 4th Edition blue books I have attached these two excel spreadsheets. The only thing different is that the line for "Core Team" does not go completely across the page. Compare with pages 24 and 74 of the 4th edition FMEA blue book...this is just one of my many little idiosyncrasies.
From the excel sheet format in dFMEA & pFMEA, For the 'Classification' column, CC is assigned when Sev > 8, AND Occ > 1, SC is assigned when Sev > 4, AND Occ >3, Is this the mandatory requirement mentioned in the 4th edition ? Also what is the difference between CC & SC ? Thank you very much.
maesci
Re: FMEA 4th Edition Blank P and D FMEA sheets in Excel .xls spreadsheets CC should mean "critical characteristic", SC "safety characteristic".
9th May 2013 02:18 AM
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