77A/400/RVC

RESULT OF VOTING ON CDV

Project number:

Reference number of the CDV

61000-2-12 Ed.1

77A/374/CDV

IEC/TC or SC

Date of circulation

77A

2003-01-03

Title of the TC or SC concerned

Low Frequency Phenomena

Title of the committee draft:

Electromagnetic Compatibility (EMC) - Part 2-12 : Environment - Compatibility levels for low-frequency conducted
disturbances and signalling in public medium-voltage power supply systems. Basic EMC Publication.
The above-mentioned document was distributed to National Committees with a request that voting take place for approval for circulation as an FDIS
(or publication as a Technical Specification or Report)

Voting results
see printout attached

Comments received see annex

In the case that the approval criteria for acceptance have been met,
a
The committee draft for vote (CDV) will be registered as an FDIS by (date) 2003-01-01
b

The draft technical report (DTR) will be published as a Technical Report

The draft technical specification (DTS) will be published as a Technical Specification
by (date) ..........
DECISION OF THE CHAIRMAN (in cooperation with the secretariat), in the case that the approval criteria for acceptance have not been met
c
A revised committee draft for vote (CDV) will be distributed by (date) ..........
d
A revised committee draft (CD) will be distributed by (date) ..........
NOTEIn the case of a proposal c or d made by the chairman, P-members objecting to such a proposal shall inform the Central Office with copy to
the secretary in writing within 2 months of the circulation of this compilation (see ISO/IEC Directives, Part 1, 2.6.5).
The comments will be discussed at the next meeting of the

on (date) ..........

Name or signature of the Secretary

Name or signature of the Chairman

Nathalie BAUMIER-DUPHIL

Jean BERTIN-MAHIEUX

FORM RVC (IEC)

2002-03-20

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Result of Voting on CDV - Document 77A/374/CDV

Project: IEC 61000-2-12 Ed.1 : Electromagnetic compatibility (EMC) - Part 2-12 : Environment - Compatibility
levels for low-frequency conducted disturbances and signalling in public medium-voltage power supply systems.
Basic EMC Publication.
Circulation Date: 2002-02-01 Closing Date: 2002-07-05
Country
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2002-06-11
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Received
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2002-07-05
2002-07-01
2002-05-30
2002-07-03
2002-06-28
2002-06-03
2002-06-21
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Vote
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N
Y
Y
Y
Y
Y
Y
Y
Y
N
Y
Y
A
Y
Y
Y
Y
Y
A
Y
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Y

Comments
Y
Y
Y
Y
Y
Y
Y
Y
Y
Y

Approval Criteria 1
P-members voting: 26
P-members in favour: 22 = 85 %
Total votes cast: 29
Final Decision:

Total against: 4 = 14 %

>= 67%
<= 25%

Result

APPROVED
APPROVED
APPROVED

NOTES
1 Vote: Does the National Committee agree to the circulation of the draft as a FDIS: Y = In favour; N = Against; A =
Abstention.
2 Only votes received before the closing date are counted in determining the decision. Late Votes: (0).
3 Abstentions are not taken into account when totalizing the votes.
4 P-members not voting: Bulgaria; Romania; Yugoslavia; (3).

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editorial

The Austrian Electrotechnical Committee

does not agree with the publication of a
standard that referring to all former
comments to related drafts. There is no
real need for such a standard on MV
level and it may be called into doubt
whether compatibility levels equally
chosen to those of LV level fulfil their
task.
The German National Committee casts a
negative vote to the above-mentioned new
work item proposal due to the following
reasons:
As normally no direct connection of
equipment to the public medium-voltage
power supply system happens, there is no
need for emission and immunity limits for
this network level and therefore relevant
compatibility levels which would
according to their philosophy - serve as a
basis for such limits are not necessary. The
German National Committee sees that this
opinion is furthermore confirmed due to the
fact that the project IEC 61000-2-12 was
orignially started in 1981 but did not reach a
final result since this time.
Note: The German National Committee
assumes that the preceding document IEC
77A/373/DTR is replaced by IEC
77A/374/CDV according to the note on the
title page of this CDV. Therefore the German
National Committee submits no own
comment to the above-mentioned DTR. If
our assumption is wrong the German
National Committee wishes to use this
comment also for IEC 77A/373/DTR.
The Italian National Committe casts a
POSITIVE VOTE with some comments
listed below
Titles of clauses and subclauses should be
corrected as regards use of capital letters.

Date

Document

2002-06-21

IEC 77A/374/CDV

Proposed change

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Noted

Noted
It is misleading to describe
compatibility levels as a basis for
emission and immunity limits.
Their function is to serve as
reference values for co-ordinating
the limits.

Noted

Noted

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ES

General

The Spanish Committee gives a positive vote to

this project

Noted

CH 1

general

SE

Foreword

Noted.
The standard mentioned has an
entirely different scope.
Not accepted, having regard to the
time required between starting the
work and final publication.

US

1.0

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3.1 and 3.2

This standard causes discrepancies with

the EN 50160 and is therefore not
suitable for Parallel Enquiry
It i a too long time period to have the
standard unchanged considering all the
clauses which are under consideration and
the development in the EMC doscipline.
The USNC does not consider that the
document properly reflects the characteristics
of 60 Hz systems in us in the United States.
Previous comments as given on document
77A/361A/RVN have not been adequately
con sidered
61000-2-2 is published
61000-2-4 is published
Clause 2, Normative reference needs
updating.
For many definitions a modified text from
IEV is provided

Last paragraph

Technical

General

Seventh and eighth

item

Editorial

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3.2

NOTE 1st sentence

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3.2.1

fundamental
Technical
frequency
a frequency in the
spectrum obtained
from a Fourier
transform of a time
function, to which all
the frequencies of the
spectrum are referred.
For the purpose of
this standard, the
fundamental
frequency is the same
as the power supply
frequency

technical

The fact that the already defined concepts

may be used in different ways and for
different purposes may be explained in the
text (now notes) but is not a reason to
redefine the concepts.
Correct is a function in the frequency
domain to:
A FourierTransform will not give any
information about frequencies but the Fourier
Frequencies determined by the measuring
period T.
Methods that could be adopted for
determining a value for the fundamental
frequency are given in e.g. EN 61000-4-7,
10.4.
The only important information is that the
fundamental frequnenca in this publication
is the power supply frequency.

Change 2010 to 2005.

Delete reference to 60 Hz
systems in 1st paragraph.

Not accepted.

Delete (under revision) in both Accepted.

cases
Accepted.
Stay with the original IEV
Not accepted. The document in its
definitions or explain the reasons present form has been accepted
for changes.
by the large majority of P
members.

is the transform in the frequency Not accepted.

domain
Delete the first part of the
Not accepted.
definition.
The remaining text should read:
"fundamental frequency
For the purpose of this standard,
the fundamental frequency is the
same as the power supply
frequency"

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fundamental
frequency

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Proposed change

(General/
Technical/Editorial)

editorial

This is rather related to IEV 101-14-49 than

to IEV 101-14-53

Modify the reference into:

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The reference will be corrected to

IEV-14-50

"[IEV 101-14-49 modified]"

[IEV 101-14-53
modified]
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3.2.5
Only in the
FRENCH
version
3.2.6

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3.2.6

Editorial

In this document the recommended notation

for harmonic order is h.

Note 1

Editorial

Correct (sustitute) comma by full-stop along

the sentence: la frquence
fondamentale, ce rapport n'est pas

Note

Editorial

Deleate twice the word approximately in the

sentence of the Note to 3.2.6, i.e.: For the
purpose of this standard and as stated in
IEC 61000-4-7, the time window has a
width of 10 fundamental periods (50 Hz
systems) or 12 fundamental periods (60 Hz
systems), i.e. approximately 200 ms. The
difference in frequency between 2
consecutive interharmonic components is,
therefore, approximately 5 Hz.

Technical

The note explains that an interharmonic

frequency could be measured with an
accuracy of + 5 Hz with the described
measurement window.

In other IEC documents (IEC

n is also used to denote
61000-4-7) the notation n is used. nominal. h was adopted to
avoid confusion.
Corrected sentence: la
Accepted.
frquence fondamentale. Ce
rapport n'est pas
Corrected sentence: For the
purpose of this standard and as
stated in IEC 61000-4-7, the
time window has a width of 10
fundamental periods (50 Hz
systems) or 12 fundamental
periods (60 Hz systems), i.e. 200
ms. The difference in frequency
between 2 consecutive
interharmonic components is,
therefore, 5 Hz.
Extend the note with comments
on how to get a higher precision
on frequency and amplitude
measurements.

Approximately is correct,
because both 50 Hz and 60 Hz are
nominal values.

The note is informative, but is not

intended to be an instruction on
measurement.

Sometimes a higher precision is needed e.g.

when measuring signals for power-line
carrier systems, which are dealt with in the
document.
For an interharmonic also the accuracy of the
amplitude measurement may be influenced
by the choice of the time window.

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Note

Editorial

Frequency tuned instruments may be suitable

to use when measuring the amplitude of
interharmonics for which you know the
frequency
The wording in the last sentence is unclear
Replace by:

Not accepted.

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Editorial

Formula

COMMENTS

Proposed change

technical

Last sentence in Note 1: the reference to the

title of B.1.2.1 in Annex B must read with
the same wording as in the proper Annex as
it is, i.e., sustitute see B.1.2.1,
distortion content, Annex B. by see
B.1.2.1, total distortion content, Annex B.
The same in the French version
The choice of H = 50 is practical for the
purpose of the standard but it is not a part of
the definition.
Definition of THD in EN 50160:

(Uh)
40

THD(u) =

h =2

The proposed definition in this document is

2

Qh

Q 1

h =H

THD =

h =2

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3.2.8

Voltage unbalance
equation

Technical

Several equations for calculation of the

unbalance factor (U-/U+) exist, and
preferably the calculation method should be
the same in all IEC standards.

The bandwidth of each measured

interharmonic component is
approximately equal to 1/200ms
= 5 Hz
Write : see B.1.2.1, total
Accepted.
distortion content, Annex B.

Give the value H = 50 in a note

with an explanation.

SE

4.1

4th paragraph

Technical

... but for practical purposes a different

compatibility level is not justified.

Not accepted.

Not accepted.
Make shure that a unique
definition for the THD is
applied. Besides a different
terminology the main
difference in the formula is the
number of harmonics.
The present draft allows to set
the limit for H to 25 or 50. It
might be useful to have the
THD given including a
parameter indicating the
number of hormonics
considered
Use the basic equation
Not accepted.

uu =

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1 3 6
1 + 3 6

*100% with =

and possibly keep the present

equation as a slightly simplified
calculation method.
Add the following regarding
planning levels:
'When establishing planning
levels for MV-networks, it must
however be considered that
harmonics and interharmonics

4
4
U 124 fund + U 23
fund + U 31 fun

(U

2
12 fund

2
2
+ U 23
fund + U 31 fund

The comment appears to relate to

a previous draft.

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propagate both upstream and

downstream between the
systems.
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Last paragraph

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Technical

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Table 1

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Note

Technical

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4.3

Table 1

Editorial

Although the MV compatibility levels for

flickers are considered by National
Committee at moment rather restrictive, we
suggest that MV compatibility levels for
flickers should be LOWER than those ones
in low voltage network (as reported in
61000-2-2).
The sentence:
Voltage fluctuations in medium voltage
networks, by being transferred, with or
without alteration, to low voltage networks,
can cause flicker. See IEC 61000-2-2 for
compatibility levels in low-voltage networks.
seems to be incomplete

See comment

Flicker concerns only lighting

equipment, and therefore MV
compatibility levels have not been
specified.

We suggest to report in this

standard not only a reference
to 61000-2-2 but also the
related values included in
61000-2-2.

See above.

Nothing is mentioned about compatibility

levels for flicker as measured with a
flickermeter.

Give some hints on Pst and Plt

See above.
values. There may be a reference
to 61000-3-7 or a statement that
compatibility levels are under
consideration.

There is a reference to 61000-2-2, and in 4.1

there is a reference to 61000-3-7 but a more
explicit statement in 4.2 would be
appreciated.
In the title of the Table 1 the compatibility
levels still refer to low voltage networks
instead of medium voltage networks
The compatibility levels in medium voltage
networks should be determined by the
relationship between immunity level and
emission. In some area, there are a lot of
equipment that have lower immunity levels.
For example, there are many capacitors with
series inductors that do not stand the levels of
table1 in Japanese MV supply systems.
Correct in the title: low voltage by medium
voltage

In the title, delete "low voltage

networks" and replace with
"medium voltage networks"

Accepted.

Add NOTE 2.
Due to the infrastructure
condition of each country, the
compatibility levels for total
harmonic distortion may vary.

A 2nd note will be added to Table

1: Lower values are often
appropriate see 4.1"

Write: Table 1 Compatibility

levels for individual harmonic
voltages in medium voltage
networks. (r.m.s. values as
percent of r.m.s. value of the

Accepted.

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4.3

Table 1

Editorial

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4.3

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Technical

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Table 1

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4.3

Table 1

technical

In the title it is refered to low voltage

networks.
In the text long term and short term effects
are described. However nothing is mentioned
about different measuring methods,
measuring time periods or statistical
treatment.
The k-factor, as the formula is written, is
increasing with increasing harmonic order.

fundamental component)
Refer to medium voltage
networks.
Add the missing information
regarding measuring methods,
measuring time periods or
statistical treatment in order to be
able to apply clearly the given
compatibility levels.
Once the measuring methods for
short-term effects are defined, a
separate table with short term
compatibility levels should be
provided.
Correct the title to avoid
confusion or clarify

The title of this table

(...) low voltage networks (..)
may cause confusions because this document
deals with medium voltage-networks.
In 4.1 there is a remark though thath (...)
there is usually a margin between the
disturbance levels on MV and LV networks,
this standard specifies MV compatibility
levels that are the same as those specified in
IEC 61000-2-2.
The compatibility-level who are showed in Compatibilty-levels were to
this table, are almost identical with those of adapt to those of the
the standard EN50160 for Powerquality.
EN50160-standard.
Complementary standards
However, stay, for the harmonic 15 in this
should indeed not stay in
CDV , a compatibility-level of only 0.4%,
contradictions with mainwhile by the EN50160-standard the limit is standards.
0.5%.
Moreover, everyone may be
The same for harmonic 21 :
surprised that the values of
In CDV
is mentioned 0.3%, while
Compatibility-levels on the
In EN50160 is mentioned 0.5%.
MV-side are identical to those
of the LV-side, particulary if
Even when odd harmonics are unprobably
(as well known), these oddpresent in MV-network, each kind of
harmonics (multiple of 3), are
contradiction has here absolutely to be avoid. very small on the MV-side.
Unfortunately was this kind of input not in
a right time performed in order to change
anything, that means for about 4 month ago
by the vote for the

Compatibility-Level were
apparently simply be copied
from the LV-Side and written
in the MV-Side. This seams

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Accepted.
Not accepted.

Not accepted.

Accepted.

It is not apparent what change is

being proposed.

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Revision of IEC61000-2-2 (LOW

VOLTAGE-Network).

Wole section

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4.10.1

Technical

Para 3, line 1

First paragraph

technical

Editorial

Technical

Meister curve

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technical

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not to be all right because

multiples of 3 have a
strongest level on the LVSide, but a very weak level on
the MV-Side. (triangleconfiguration).

Moreover, the short-circuitpower are much different

between MV- and LVnetworks.
It is inappropriate to set MV compatibility
Consider voltage drop in the
levels at the same as LV. This ignores
MV-LV transformer and reduce
Ohms law and makes it impossible to assure the MV compatibility levels to a
LV compatibility levels can be met if MV
justified level. Suggest
levels are the same.
something closer to 6%.
Nothing is mentioned about measuring
Add the missing information
methods, measuring periods or statistical
regarding measuring methods,
treatment to be used in order to apply the
measuring periods or statistical
compatibility level.
treatment in order to be able to
apply clearly the given
compatibility levels.
Correct ratio of the load power to:
ratio of the load apparent
power
Second paragraph, reference to IEC 60071 is Check contradiction of the
in contradiction with the same reference in
numbering of these standards
prIEC 61000-2-2, where IEC 60664-1 is
referenced in both standards
cited instead
Nothing is mentioned about measuring
Add the missing information
methods, measuring time periods or
regarding measuring methods,
statistical treatment to be used in order to
measuring time periods or
apply the compatibility level.
statistical treatment in order to be
able to clearly apply the given
compatibility levels.
Clarification of text
The second sentence from the
end should become the last
sentence of the paragraph.
It may be noted that many large generators
Extend the note.
have a smaller frequency tolerance than + 1
Hz.
Ripple control systems between 110 Hz and Use the same limits as
3 kHz, graphic page 16, fig.1
defined in the so called
(Mainsignalling)
Meisterkurve as in
EN 50160.

Not accepted.

Not accepted.

Not accepted.
IEC 60664-1 relates to lowvoltage systems.

Not accepted.

Accepted.

Not relevant to public mediumvoltage systems.

Not accepted.

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The Meister curve

Remark: Unfortunately exactly
Remark : This diagram (so called Meister the same graphic is used in
curve) has a stronger severity level than the IEC 61000-2-2.
original Meisterkurve .
e.g. the allowable level by 1 kHz is 4.5%
while by the EN 50160-standard, 5% are
allowed.

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Fourth paragraph,
first sentence.

Editorial

Technical /
Editorial
Paragraph 9

Editorial/
Technical
General

The limit-value of 4.5% seams to be

corresponding to the simple rule: (10'000 /
freq. of mainsignalling)
Delete the words "some of" as the
irregularities are disturbances to all
equipment but cause interference only in
some of them
Insert the word "ideal".

The meaning of the last sentence in

paragraph 9:
There is a background )
Voltage dips and short interruptions are, for
the industry, the most expensive
disturbances.
More work is required on equipment
immunity to and characterisation of voltage
dips.

Delete the words "some of".

Not accepted.

... it illustrates the ideal

relationship ...

Not accepted. There is no

intention to suggest that it is an
ideal relationship.
Not accepted.

Needs clarification

Include the contents of the

comment in the introduction to
section B.3

Not accepted. See IEC 61000-2-8.