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ToreadtheentirenewissueofValueInvestorInsight,whichalsoincludesindepth
interviewswithmarketbeatinginvestorsTimHartchofBrownBrothersHarriman
&Co.andMarioCibelliofCibelliAssetManagement,signupnowforano
obligationfreetrialathttp://www.valueinvestorinsight.com/freetrial.
JohnHeinsisthecofounderandeditorofValueInvestorInsight.
HarvardBusinessSchoolProfessorMichaelPorterneedsnointroductiontoany
seriousstudentofbusiness.Hisseminalworkonthecompetitivedynamicsthat
determineindustryprofitabilityandonthestrategiescompaniescanemploytopositivelyimpacttheir
competitivepositionslaidoutinitiallyinthebooksCompetitiveStrategyandCompetitiveAdvantage
revolutionizedmanagerialthinking.Soarticulatewashisframeworkforthinkingaboutstrategyand
competitionthatitpassedquicklyintoacceptedwisdom.AsherecentlytoldFortune,Thehighest
compliment,Ivecometounderstand,is,Oh,thatsobvious.Iusedtotakethatascriticism,butnowI
understandthatsthegoaltotakeacomplexproblemandmakeitseemclearandobvious.
Now66andbusierthaneverwriting,teachingandadvising,Portercontinuestotakeonasuccessionof
massivelycomplexproblems,fromrevivinginnercities,tomakingcountriesmorecompetitive,to
transformingthevalueofhealthcaredelivery.Wecaughtupwithhimrecentlytodiscusshislatestthinking
oncompetitivedynamicsandcorporatestrategy.Tooursurprise,healsohadplentyonhismindabout
investingingeneral,andvalueinvestinginparticular.
YourfiveforcesframeworkforanalyzingindustriesThreatofNewEntrants,BargainingPowerof
Buyers,ThreatofSubstitutes,BargainingPowerofSuppliers,RivalryAmongFirmsisanimportantpart
ofmanyfundamentalinvestorsresearchprocess.Hasyourthinkingonitevolvedovertheyears?
MichaelPorter:Whiletheoriginalframeworkwasintroducedmanyyearsago,in2008Iwroteanarticlein
theHarvardBusinessReviewthatreexaminedandreflectedontheapplicationoftheconceptovertime.
Mybasicconclusionisthatthefiveforcesarestillthefiveforces.Therehavebeenvariousnominationsfor
asixthforce,suchastechnologyortheinfluenceofgovernment,butmyviewisthatthosearebest
understoodintermsofhowtheyaffectthefivefundamentalforcesthatultimatelydrivethedivisionof
valueamongindustryparticipants.Forexample,governmentpolicycanraisebarrierstoentryorlower
barrierstoentry.Newtechnologycanintensifytherivalryamongfirmsordecreaseit.
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Industrystructureisprofoundlyrelevanttoinvestmentanalysis,buttoomuchoftheanalysislooksat
industriesinasimplisticway,saywhethertheindustryisgrowingorshrinking,orwhetheritsadowncycle
oranupcycle.Thefundamentalinvestorthatusesthefiveforcestounderstandwhatdeterminesthe
fundamentaleconomicvaluecreationinanindustryandhowitischanginggainsahugeedge.
Doyouthinkyourstrategyprescriptionsforcreatingcompetitiveadvantagehaveequallystoodthetest
oftime?
Myoriginalworklookedatthebroadpositioningchoicesinanindustrylowcosts,differentiation,broad
ornarrowsetofcustomers.Overtime,Ideepenedtheprinciplesforthinkingaboutcreatingauniqueand
sustainableposition,startingwiththevaluechain.Thatwaspartlymotivatedbythe#1questionIhad
gottenaboutthegenericstrategies,whichis,Cantyoubebothlowcostanddifferentiatedatthesame
time?Thisconundrumlettothedistinctionbetweenoperationaleffectivenessandstrategicpositioning.
Operationaleffectivenessisaboutassimilatingbestpractices.Strategicpositioningisaboutmakingchoices
andtradeoffsaboutwhatcustomersacompanyisgoingtoserve,theparticularneedsitistryingtomeet,
andultimatelythevaluepropositionofacompanyrelativetocompetitors.
Ihavebeenfocusedonthetimeless,unvaryingfundamentalsthatunderliecompetition.Theresno
questionthatconditionschangeandthatchangeisrelentlessandimpactsindustriesandcompanies.ButI
havealwaystriedtounderstandtheprinciplesthatneverchange,andusethemtounderstandthe
consequencesofchangeandtheimplicationsforcompaniesandmanagersinsettingdirection.Those
principleshavestoodthetestoftime.
Broadlyspeaking,wouldyousaytherateofchangeinindustrystructuresandcompetitivepositionshas
increased?
Wedonthaveanyrealproof,butthegeneralfeelingisthatthingsarechangingfaster.Ibelievethat
everyonealwaysthinksthattheirperiodofhistoryisonewherethingsarechangingfaster.
Informationtechnology,however,hasclearlybeenabigdisrupterandaspeedaccelerator.Iwouldalsosay
theaggressivenesswithwhichmanagementisshuttingthingsdownandcuttingcostshasdefinitelygone
upoverthelast10or20years.Thatispartlyduetothefactthatcapitalmarketsaremoretransparentand
investorsaremoredemanding.Butonmanyotherdimensionsofcompetition,Imnotsosuretherateof
changeisthatmuchfaster.
Everyyearortwooverthepast20yearssomebodyhaswrittenanarticlesayingstrategyisnolonger
relevantbecausetheworldischangingtooquicklyandtheimperativeistostayonestepaheadbychanging
feverishly.IdontknowmanyCEOswhoactuallybelievethis.JustabouteverycompanyIveevercomein
contactwithrecognizesitneedsastrategy.Itneedstounderstandwhoitisandhowitsgoingtocreate
distinctivevalue.Thatswhatallowscompaniesandmanagerstomakechoicesabouthowtodealwithall
thetrends,versusjustimitatethenextguy.
Elaborateonyourearliercommentthatinvestorsindustryanalysiscanoftenbesimplistic.
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Industrytrendsandtodaysgrowthratesareeasytosee.Whatsmoresubtleistounderstandhowthefive
forcesarechanging,andwhatthatmeansforwheretheoverallvaluelies.
Forexample,averyimportanttrendworkingitswaythroughmanymanufacturingindustriesisthat
productswithembeddedsensorsaregettingsmartandconnectedtomanufacturersandusersviathe
Internet.Smartconnectedproductscanhaveavarietyofimpactsupanddownthevaluechain.For
example,bytransformingthenatureofaftersaleservice,wherethereisashifttowardmorepreventative
andefficientmaintenanceversusatraditionalbreakandfixmodel.Butthetrendisneithergoodnorbad.It
alldependsonhowitsgoingtoimpactthefiveforcesinaparticularindustry.Doesitimpactbarriersto
entry?Doesitcreateswitchingcostsforthecustomer?Doesitcreatenewbusinessmodelsfocusedon
sellingtheuseoftheproductratherthantheproductitself,rebalancingcustomerpower?Takingthetrends
andthenworkingthemthroughthefiveforcesframeworkiswheretheinsightcomes.
Anotherexampleisthatanindustrydoesnthavetobegrowingtobeinteresting.Ayearortwoago
investorenthusiasmfortheprintingindustrywasnonexistentbecauseprintisbeingsubstitutedforby
electronicmedia.Butdecliningindustriescanbehighlyprofitableifcapacityleavesthemarketandbarriers
toentryrise.Demandcanholdupinlesspricesensitivesegments.Imnotmakingthecaseforeveryoneto
runoutandbuyprintingcompanies.Butifyoulookdeeplyenough,youmayhaveevengreatereconomic
opportunitiesinsomedecliningindustriesthanyoudoingrowthindustrieswhereeveryoneisrushingto
getin.LookatthestockpriceofR.R.Donnelley[RRD]overthepastyear.
Youmentionedthatinvestorshavebecomemoredemanding.Doyouconsiderthatanunalloyedgood?
Netnet,Iwouldsaycapitalmarketshavemadeitharderforcompaniestoactuallyhaveastrategyand
maketheinvestmentsthataddressthetruefundamentalsoftheirindustrystructureandtheircompetitive
position.Weveseenariseingamingaroundguidanceanddeliveringquarterlyearningssurprises.Theres
alsoatendencyforinvestorstolatchontoonecompanythatseemstobedoingwellandpushfor
everyoneelseintheindustrytoimitateit.Analyststendtoevaluatecompetitorsonthesamemetricseven
thoughdifferentmetricsareappropriatefordifferentstrategies.Allofthisencouragesconvergence,which
istheenemyofstrategy.Theworstmistakeinstrategyisforacompanytocompetewithrivalsonallthe
samethings.
Givenallyourworkwithcompaniesandindustries,arethereanyseculartrendsyoudsuggestinvestors
examine?
IntheU.S.economy,thesinglebiggestopportunitythatwillhaverippleeffectsacrossmanyindustriesis
thenewenergysituation.Thisiscertainlynotasecretandhasalreadyhadsignificantimpactonoilandgas
producingregionsandontherailroadsandpipelinesthattransportallthenewproduction.Thenextorder
effects,whicharejustbeginning,willbeonindustrieswhereoilandgasareimportantfeedstocksorinputs,
suchasinchemicalsandplasticswhereU.S.productionnowhasacompetitiveadvantagewhereithashad
adisadvantage.Furtherdowntheline,otherenergyintensiveindustriesandcompanieswillbenefit.
AnotherareaonwhichIspendalotofmytimetodayisaroundtheideaofcreatingsharedvalue.Thisgets
attherelationshipbetweenbusinessandimportantsocietalissuessuchashealth,education,povertyand
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theenvironment.Historicallycompanieshaveaddressedsocialissuesthroughcorporatephilanthropy,
whichisdetachedfromthebusinessand,somewouldsay,spendsshareholdersmoney.Morerecently,
corporateresponsibilityinitiativeshaveledtomuchreportingandfocusonreducingsocialharmsagain,
tangentialtothebusiness.
Buttherealpowerofabusinessinsocietyisinbeingabusinessmeetingneedsataprofit.Werejust
startingtounderstandthattheworrisomesocietalproblemswefacerepresentthegreatestbusiness
opportunities.
Thepharmaceuticalindustryisagreatexample.Itwasbuiltlargelytoserveahalfbillionpeopleliving
primarilyinrichcountrieswithestablishedhealthcaresystemsandrelativelyhighincomes.Butanother6.5
billionpeopleareouttherewhoseneedsarelargelyunmet.CompanieslikeNovartisandNovoNordiskare
startingtoaddressthose6.5billionpeopleprofitablywithnewkindsofproducts,pricingmodelsand
distributionsystems.Thepotentialtocreatesharedvalueishugeandapplicabletovirtuallyeveryindustry
andsector.
Canyougivesomeotherexamplesofcompaniescreatingsharedvalue?
Becton,Dickinsonisamedicaldevicecompanywhoserecentgrowthisbeingdrivenbyaddressingpublic
healthneedslikerisksfromneedlestickinfectionsworkingcollaborativelywithgovernmentsandnon
governmentalorganizationstodoso.DowChemicalcreatedaBreakthroughstoWorldChallenges
program,taskingeachofitsbusinessunitstofindbusinesssolutionstoarangeofglobalproblems.Onebig
hitwasthedevelopmentofOmega9canolaandsunflowerseedsthatproducecookingoilwithnotrans
fatsandlowsaturatedfats.Theseedsyieldforfarmerstwicetheoilperhectarethansoybeans,andtheoils
havelongershelfandusagelivesforcustomers.ItsalsobecomeoneofDowChemicalsbiggestselling
productlines.Thisiscreatingsharedvalue.
Itscrucialforeveryenterprisetounderstanditsfundamentalpurposeinsociety.Latelywevebeensaying
thatourfundamentalpurposeistomakemoneymaximizeshareholdervalue.Butthisdefinitionof
purposeisuninspiringandevenrisky.Companiesalsodefinepurposeintermsoftheproducttheyproduce.
Butpurposeoughttobeaboutthefundamentalneedsinsocietyacompanymeets.IfNestlethinksofitself
asjustafoodcompany,itmightthinkthatthegoalistogetpeopletoeatmore.ButifNestlethinksofitself
asanutritioncompany,ithasaligneditspurposearoundmeetingafundamentalsocietalneed.Thatopens
upoptionalityandopportunityforNestletodifferentiateitselfandinnovateinwaysthatcreateshared
value.
YourehelpingtoleadamultiyearHarvardinitiativeonU.S.competitiveness.Whatwouldyouhighlight
askeyinsightsfromthateffortsofar?
Thisstartswiththedefinitionofcompetitiveness.Inourdefinition,theUnitedStatesiscompetitivetothe
degreethatcompaniesoperatingherecancompetesuccessfullyinglobalmarketswhilesimultaneously
maintainingandincreasingwagesandlivingstandardsfortheaverageAmerican.Ifbusinesssucceedsby
cuttingjobsandincomes,theU.S.isnottrulycompetitive.WerefindingthattheU.S.hasseriousstructural
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competitivenessproblems,whichleadsustobelievethatthecountryislikelytofacesloweconomicand
jobgrowthforyearstocome.
Everyoneseemstounderstandthemacroeconomicproblemsweface.Butourworksuggeststhatwealso
haveanumberofseriousmicroeconomicproblemsthatarejustasimportant.
WhiletheU.S.retainscorestrengthsinthingslikeentrepreneurship,innovation,scienceandhigher
education,weveletsomeofthebasicsslide.Weneedtosimplifyandstreamlineregulationaffecting
businesstofocusonoutcomesratherthanimposecostlyreporting,complianceanddelays.Ourlegal
systemisinflictinghighcostsonU.S.businesses,asisourhealthcaresystem.Roads,bridgesandportsare
indisrepair,andourcommunicationsandenergyinfrastructuredoesnotmatchtheworldsbest.
ThecorporatetaxsystemisdisastrousforU.S.competitiveness,withthehigheststatutoryratesinthe
OECDanddisincentivestorepatriateforeignprofitsbacktotheU.S.Atthesametime,thesystemhasso
manycomplexexclusionsanddeductionsthattheU.S.endsupcollectinglowertaxesthanmanyother
countries.
Ourpubliceducationsystem,crucialtotheabilityofworkerstocompeteandtomaintaintheirincomes,
continuestofallfurtherbehind,especiallywithrespecttomiddlelevelskillsinvolvingsometechnical
training.Overall,skilldevelopmentisbroken,leadingtounfilledjobsandhighunemployment.What
troublesusisthattheU.S.hasnotbeenwillingandabletoreachconsensus,passlegislation,andaddress
anyoftheseproblemsindecades.
Inthesamewaycompaniesneedtodefinetheirpurpose,youvesaidthesamethingaboutinvestors.
Explainthat.
Ibelievethefundamentalpurposeofinvestingistodeploycapitaltoproductiveusesintherealeconomy.
Itstheabilityofbusinessestousecapitalwelltomeetneedsataprofitandgrowthatcreatesallthe
wealthinsociety.GovernmentandNGOsdontcreatewealth;theyutilizetaxesanddonationstomeet
societalneeds.Directingcapitaltocompaniesthatcanuseitproductivelytocreateeconomicvalue,and
thuswealth,isultimatelythemostprofoundbenefitinvestorscanhaveonsociety.
Beyondallocatingcapital,investorsalsoplayavitalroleinmonitoringwhatcompaniesaredoing,pushing
fortransparency,andinterveningtocatalyzechangeifthecapitalemployedisntgeneratingtheeconomic
valueitshould.Allofthisraisesthefundamentalwealththatisbeingcreated,andthiskindofwealth
creationdoesnotcomeattheexpenseofotherinvestors.
Theconcernisthatitseemslikethevastmajorityofenergyandeffortininvestinghasbecomeabout
otherthings.Itsaboutindexing.Itsaboutmomentum.Itsaboutprogramtradingtocapitalizeontiny
movementsinshareprices.Itsaboutlocatingyourserversclosertotheexchangesoyoucantradeinand
outalittlefaster.Imallforpricediscoveryandliquidity,butimprovementsherehavediminishingreturns
forfundamentalwealthcreation.Oneinvestorsgainisoftenanotherinvestorsloss.
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Asmoreinvestorswalkawayfromfundamentalinvesting,theneedandtheopportunitygrowsforvalue
investorswhofocusonunderstandingcompanies,industriesandcompetition.Suchinvestorscandowell
forthemselves,fortheirowninvestors,andforsociety.Thisiscreatingsharedvalue.Idliketoseemore
investorswiththatsenseofpurpose,andmorerules,regulationsandincentivesputinplacethatlead
investinginthesedirectionsratherthanthosethatcreatelimitedsocietalreturns.
ToreadtheentirenewissueofValueInvestorInsight,whichalsoincludesindepthinterviewswith
marketbeatinginvestorsTimHartchofBrownBrothersHarriman&Co.andMarioCibelliofCibelliAsset
Management,signupnowforanoobligationfreetrialat
http://www.valueinvestorinsight.com/freetrial.
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