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By:ExpressNewsService|Posted:December7,201412:00am|Updated:December7,
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Former Union minister Arun Shourie talks about the

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impenetrable fog that surrounds those who assume office

and how the media makes it more dense.
P Vaidyanathan Iyer: What do you think about the
government and the buzz around PM Narendra Modis style
of functioning?
I dont want to use harsh words but the consensus seems to
be that when all is said and done, more is said than done. I
am sure sincere efforts are being made and they may yield
results, but as Akbar Allahabadi said, Plateon ke aane ki
awaaz toh aa rahi hai, khaana nahin aa raha (The plates
sound can be heard but the food is not coming).
Harish Damodaran: Why is the food not coming?

In every government, including this one, the focus is on
announcing new schemes. Each scheme adds a task to the
hands of the government/state. People in office think their
marks will depend on the number of schemes they have
announced. Yet, in spite of all the talk, we do not attach
importance to the State its functioning, personnel,
institutions, rules, etc. With the kind of personnel any
government in India chooses for institutions, does it show
they attach importance to the State? We always think of
reforms as one scheme GST aayega ya nahin, insurance
Bill pass hoga ya nahin. But the real theme of reforms has
been to reduce the role of the State in our lives. We continue
to do the opposite. Thats why things dont happen. And
rationalisations develop for this. An article commented on
Mr Modis Cabinet. It said there is the Pareto rule that says
institutions and governments are run only by 20 per cent.
You only need 20 per cent who are good. So, we seem to
think of putting good persons in only two-three ministries.
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Even today, the main instrument relied on is bureaucracy.

But bureaucracy is not what it was 30-40 years ago, you dont
have L K Jhas or B K Nehrus. A civil servant I met recently
said: I am going to retire in 15-20 months. Ten years after
my retirement, I will be subjected to some CBI inspector. So,
why should I take a decision? Let the minister take it.
Thirdly, you could still rely on civil services but induct
experts. But that can only be effective if you put them not in
decorative advisory positions but in decisive ones.
Dilip Bobb: So you dont think Modi is an agent of change?

He may be an agent of change as an individual. But no matter
how big your oar is, you have to change, reshape an ocean.
Its not just about simplifying reforms. The depth and
pervasiveness of reforms has to be great. To reform, say, the
CBI, you cant just change the director, but the training of
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persons who are at the cutting edge the inspector, the

investigating officer. How long will it take to do that?
Same is with the the lower judiciary. In November last year,
a policeman came to our home with a non-bailable warrant
of arrest for my wife if she didnt report at 10 am in a
Faridabad court the next day, she would get a five-year
punishment. Shocked, I asked why. He said she refused
summons five times. But I said we got no summons. He
offered no explanation.
At the court, I asked the woman magistrate why an arrest
warrant was issued for my wife. She said she refused
summons. I said we got none. She said, Sometimes our
people dont deliver summons and write they have been
refused.
She said we were sent summons for building an illegal
farmhouse and asked if we had a plot in the Aravallis. I said
the plot was registered in our name for a few months. We
needed money to build a house near Pune, so we sold it. We
didnt place a single brick there. The public prosecutor said,
Yes, its not their plot and they have built nothing there. The
judge, however, said: But now the process has begun. I can
give your wife bail but only till the next hearing when she
has to appear physically.
So, my wife is out on bail for refusing summons which were
not served, for building a house which we have not built on a
plot which we dont own. The lady magistrate has gone, a
new person has come. He says, I know you have done
nothing. But if I let you off, people will say it was done under
political pressure or that youve paid me.
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So the reform has to be much deeper. When people assume

office, they forget how deeply the system has to be changed.
They get surrounded by an impenetrable fog of selfsatisfaction. And media makes the fog more dense. Their
photographs are everywhere. The industralists says you are
almightys gift to us. I am told secretaries have started
speaking this way. They think change has already come. Our
job is to keep them awake.
Amitabh Sinha: Going by high-pitched campaigns like

Swachh Bharat, cleaning Ganga, or reviving Sanskrit, what
do you make of the priorities of this government?
Swachhta is a wonderful idea. It involves both society and
the State in cleaning public spaces. If the State succeeds in
generating a movement, it would be very good. On Sanskrit,
there is the either/or thinking similar to over the threeyear vs four-year courses at Delhi University. What is the
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fault of those who are learning German? If you are so keen,

introduce Sanskrit as an optional subject, then increase the
capacity to learn Maybe a lot of YouTube videos, CDs
Over three-four years, introduce the whole thing. It becomes
a painless transition.
RakeshSinha:Whatdoyoumakeofthemovetodismantlethe
PlanningCommission?
Dr Y V Reddy had said that throughout, even when it was not
a great intellectual resource, the Planning Commission was
regarded as a referee between the Centre and states. But the
perceived proximity between Manmohan Singh and Montek
Singh Ahluwalia made the Planning Commission look like an
instrument of the Centre. So, it lost credibility.
The Planning Commission had asked me to write a paper on
reform. I had interviewed officers and asked them to
characterise the Commission. Somebody said a parking lot,
another said gaushala (cowshed). I told an officer that his
colleague had called the Commission a gaushala. He said, A
gaushala has cows that give milk. This is a place for derelict
cows. So, if you appoint such personnel, the institution loses
credibility. You could improve the Commission by getting the
best personnel.
Mr Modis presumption, I think in this case, was formed by
the resentment of the previous 10 years as a CM against the
commission.
P Vaidyanathan Iyer: Do you see the current government as

an extension of Modis campaign one person at the top and
the Cabinet not very varied or delivering governance at the
doorstep?
India is diverse and very large. I am using the words of a
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very big man, whose name I cannot tell you. It is not a

municipality, it is the federal government of India, he said. It
cannot be run by small numbers.
Raj Kamal Jha: One of the most visible things Modi has done
is on the diplomatic front his visits to the US, China,
Australia, Japan. How do you view Indias international
relations under the new government?
Modi certainly thinks on a different scale, and laterally. I
remember his phrase: Arrey, yeh theek nahi hai, kuch
dhamakedaar idea do (This is not okay, give a bombastic
idea). You can see that in foreign policy: one is emphasis on
neighbours, and secondly, looking at China. I endorse that,
but it should be done at a lower profile. If you look at it from
the Chinese viewpoint, all these are acts of provocation. If
you want to provoke them, you have to be prepared for the
backlash. In Japan, Shinzo Abe has a stridently anti-Chinese
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rhetoric. Vietnam is in non-lethal conflict with China. I am all

for alliances and intelligence exchanges with them, but dont
rub it in the face of China.
What has China done? Without any fanfare, they signed an
MoU with Nepal for the development of districts. They have
announced $65 billion for development of infrastructure in
Pakistan.
We are going all over the world (talking) about our
acquisitions and orders. I fear we are doing things with a
visibility, which will provoke China.
Surabhi: Critics say there is intellectual paucity in the

government no Planning Commission or PMs economic
advisory council.
Three PMs valued ideas as ideas: Panditji (Jawaharlal
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Nehru), Narasimha Rao and Atal Bihari Vajpayee. The others

seemed to be practical men. Maybe that is what India needs,
but ideas are also necessary.
Rajgopal Singh*: What is your opinion on age limit for

political appointments at the Centre?
I am past 72 or 73, but I felt this is the wrong criterion even
when I was younger. Sanjay and Rajiv Gandhi were young
men. What did they do? The two biggest reformers in India,
Narasimha Rao and Vajpayee, were older men. Look at a
persons capacity to contribute.
Harish Damodaran: The PMO interacts with the secretaries
and the ministers are nowhere. Is it sustainable ministers
with no power and bureaucrats all powerful?
The first part may be correct, but not the second. I had taken
up this view with Mr Modi before the formation of the
government, that given the quality of people the electoral
system throws up, he would have to ensure direct contact
with secretaries who would, generally speaking, be better
than ministers. But do secretaries know how much they can
decide? I dont know. Do ministers know how much they can
decide? I dont know. What is the limit? Can they appoint
directors on their own to Coal India, to Air India, to banks?
Under Vajpayee, you would be given a charge and could do
anything.
Praveen Swami: This government has announced grand

schemes but has not given out details about their execution.
Do you believe there is a lack of vision or do you believe a
few people close to the government saying there is a great
deal going on?
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A PM can only give a sense of direction, he can symbolically

do a few acts so others take it up. But if the others are
uncertain about what they can take up, then details do not
get worked out. Maybe it is a reflection of that. Such
campaigns have to be carried to the toilet on the road. But
maybe the Transport Ministry doesnt know, so they dont
work out the details.
About the 100 smart cities, by now, we should have been told
the essence of smartness In the case of Swachh Bharat, we
should not look upon it and ask whether Modi will succeed or
fail. Then it becomes merely Modis campaign.
Abhishek Angad*: How do you think the government is

handling issues about Muslims?
I agree with Modis general approach, which is to provide
facilities across the board, not on the basis of caste or
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religion. Whenever we provide benefit based on a criterion

other than economic, politics is played around it.
Development requires focus, and Modi has to ensure that
focus, which means you must also control the fringe
elements. You cannot talk development in Delhi and love
jihad in Muzaffarnagar. It distracts. If love jihad was so
dangerous, how did the phenomenon stop after voting?
Ajay Shankar: The Modi wave still seems to be prevailing.

When and how will there be a reality check?
The reduction of oil prices has put blinkers on peoples eyes
and has delayed a reality check. Otherwise, by now, with the
fiscal deficit and diminishing oil prices, if for the first seveneight months the targeted deficit would have been
consumed, a reality check would have come. As
Swaminathan Aiyar said, its not just achhe din, but also
achhe sitare.
P Vaidyanathan Iyer: Would you accept a role in

government if offered?
Nobody offers me, what to do? (Laughs.) Faiz Ahmad Faiz
had said, Kuch hum hi ko nahin ehsaan uthane ka dimaag,
woh jab aate hain mail-ba-karam aate hain (I did not want to
take on another obligation, whenever she came, she came
determined to endow her favours on me).
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Ajay Shankar: What happened during the famous pregovernment meeting of yours?
The post-government meeting should also be famous. First
newspapers give you the job, then next day say you are
disappointed (laughs). Im neither appointed, nor
disappointed.
*EXIMS student Transcribed by Aslesha and Saikat Bose

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subodh1945
9 days ago
arun shourie as usual is candid and 1 shd listen to him - has

seen all from journaists desk right from indira times emergency and all ,
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sreedevimenon
10 days ago
He was aspiring for a plum post.

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Sphinx
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10 days ago
Good interview, but is his party listening?

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Prof Ujjwal K Chowdhury
10 days ago
Very balanced interview that looks at Modi's India from a

very realistic un-apologetic and un-eulogistic manner. Right
criticisms. Right appreciations.
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krishna v. shukla
10 days ago
Trust shourie to call it like it is, unlike Modi stooges in media

like rajat sharma
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NK
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11 days ago
I think this is the right way of criticizing someone. You need

to take into account the positives vs the negatives, only then
you can come out with a balanced and non-biased result.
We definitely need people like Mr. Shourie to be around and
keep a watch on the government.
However, I feel that it is too early for us to start shooting at
government. I personally feel that we can judge this
government only after its first term.
Overall a nice Q & A session.
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Overall a nice Q & A session.

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Khushbu Rani
12 days ago
He is judging the new government on his scale he set being

an intellect (or that is what being pretended here! ). I think
from a comparative point of view , a lot has been done and
continue to be tried upon, rather than what it was during
UPA's tenure. The bag full of points he has to point upon is
because the government is now with an agenda and work to
discuss unlike then when the only issue was "Unstoppable
mounting prices" and "Manmohan tongue checkout". Yes,
his views on publicising government plans globally,
approach towards China and handling Sanskrit is right from
my point of view. But criticising sarcastically doesn't suit a
real intellect! :)
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kerala varma
12 days ago
It is a Topsy-turvy predicament
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DeshBhakt
12 days ago
Very good interview Wish Mr Shourie was young possibly he

would have been wooed Nevertheless his thoughts and
ideas will still be respected. Nobody asked him about his
views on present FM Arun Jaitley!?Probably like all present
day journalists they fear to ask tough questions (Arnab
shouldn't get angry!!) Well we should suggest a good think
tank of such genuine intellectuals (I am careful because here
again Mr Shourie's comment on `Intellectuals' rings a bell the
kind `You scratch my back I will do it for you variety' in the
JNU model) Somehow feel also despondent that even after 6
months of new Government we haven't yet started work on
UPA-2 Corruption of loot?Wonder why?A separate Ministry
should handle this and Chief Justice must assist in
approving a fast track court to finish trial quickly. Looks like
Ministers are slowly getting into their old moods and
becoming more slow more so after cabinet expansion?
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Subramanya Srinivasan
12 days ago
Mr/Ms S.R.
You are asking for somebody's credentials. For that you
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You are asking for somebody's credentials. For that you

should give your full name plus details.
I am not the person who posted as "Indian. Isaw both the
posts . So these words.
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BRIJ KHANNA(USA)
12 days ago
I agree with Arun Shoirie. In order to side line "Seniors" Modi

fixed that those who are above 75 are not eligible to become
cabinet Ministers. It is Ok to push new blood with new
thinking. But then why did he appointed some mediocre to
the cabinet. He must think and act soon in this regard. In
next reshuffle after Winter Session, he should get rid of
"NON PERFORMING MINISTERS" He should think of
appointing those senior leaders who are 75 and above as
advisers to some of vital Ministries.
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Uttrakhandi
12 days ago
Salute to Shourie. Probably, the most capable person with

proven ability and experience from the previous NDA
government. Crystal clear views and a person, who could
deliver on any responsibility. Our bad luck that Shourie has
been kept out of Government- he would have been an asset
to the government. How ,many proven faces are in Modi
government? Besides him, probably, only a few- but none
like Shourie. Shourie is same to Indian politics as Sridharan
to Railways. Hope, better sense will prevail and right people
will be selected by modi instead of characters he has in
ministries like HR.
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KRISHIVAM KATHIAWADI
12 days ago
One keeps hearing about lack of talent or to elongate the

phrase, lack of depth of talent on the BJP benches. But it is
a pity that men
of AShourie's caliber do not find a place in the Modi edifice.
True, people
like him can be more articulate and can outshine the boss,
but then, so can people
like MParrikar; though I strongly suspect that Parrikar has
been 'kicked
upstairs'. Goa was getting better by the day under the
articulate and clean
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MParrikar... at Gujarat and Modis cost. Though he can be

nobodys man, Arun
Shourie by now knows that he can serve the nation better by
being on the right
side of Modiji, unlike the pompous trio of Yashvant, Jaswant
or MMJ. Anyway if
Modiji is going to feel insecure by having capable and
intelligent people around
him then I think Acche Din will never come. Only the din will
continue to become
a barrage of promises. If age alone was the criteria, how
come retired
beureaucrats keep getting extensions in Gujarat and Delhi?
And for Gods sake, Smriti
Irani in HRD? As the wag said, Gods contempt for wealth
can be gauged from the
type people he has entrusted it to. Woe be to all students
who, on coming of
age, voted for BJP. Incidentally my son is one among them.
All our family and
clan members voted for the BJP and now we are feeling a bit
stressed out. Did
we do the right thing?
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A Subba Rao
12 days ago
Changing mindsets of bureaucrats can't be done in a few

months. Some of the ministers are outstanding. They are
working hard. Modi government is moving in the correct
direction. We have seen the importance of moving
cautiously. Modi doesn't have majority in Rajya Sabha. Even
in a small organisation with a thousand bureaucrats it takes a
couple of years for bringing perceptible change.
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Paddy Singh
12 days ago
The British divided the country into states keeping

administrative convenience in mind of a country over 3
million people. Nehru then reshaped the states on linguistic
basis and the rot started. Shourie is right - one needs
practical administrators, and at the same time a level of
idealism. This is where among Indians it is like looking for a
needle in a haystack.
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Platinum Sphere
12 days ago
This is what Arun Shourie devolved into after 2000, just a

thinker & talker, not much of a doer. Indeed his insights &
understandings are to be cherished - but one thing I learned
the hard way & I want my fellow Indians to realize - an
imperfect execution on the ground is better than perfect
planning on the paper - even Arun Shourie admitted that
practicality is what is needed rather than romantic ideamongering alone (idea + practicality = better).
However, Shourie is long past that phase & has lost the zest.
It is time he accepts his own reality.
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P M Ravindran
12 days ago
Arun Shourie is bang on target when he says : my wife is out

on bail for refusing summons which were not served, for
building a house which we have not built on a plot which we
dont own! That sums up the essence of our justice delivery
system which is the real cause of the deplorable state of
affairs of our country today, forgetting the root cause, that is
Nehru, his family and his family party!
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Lahorimalingurgaon
12 days ago
Impatient Indians have heralded a painless transition. Now

ALL age-groups want Action that should follow. Campaign
upon campaign, IF run in the next 6 months, again, will get to
be a small disaster ! Example: 100-Smart Cities -- will
Gurgaon -- Old & New, get to be one such City ? The
Haryana CM & his Cabinet could be motivated to take it on
WITH one or two other Cities. Why not ?
Then with the involvement of the Residents + the
RWAs/NGOs and "what-have-you" start planning to deal
with the umpteen GAPS in disciplined services, on the
Ground. Empower the MCG (municipal corporation), within
30 days & PUT Swaach Bharat Abhiyan in BANDHWARI
where the tons-upon-tons of FBD+GGN 's garbage, has
been building up for 13 months, as the plant broke down last
November (Indian "disease" of short-circuits took hold!)--the
State and Babugiri DID NOTHING till today. THAT should be
the no: ONE priority. Then the rest on Energy, Water,
Affordable Healthcare etc. etc. ought to follow. IF NOTHING
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Affordable Healthcare etc. etc. ought to follow. IF NOTHING

GETS STARTED IN THE NEXT 3-6 MONTHS, WHAT WILL
NAMO BE DOING FOR THE TRIBALS, etc. in the far flung
areas-- say of Nort East or Central Indian States.....
Make the State Governments accountable, at least where
PM's party runs the Govt.
AND NOT GET LOST over the "game" of Centre & State, that
one hears all the time AS AN EXCUSE.
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12 days ago
I believe the greatest advantage this government has is that

it has a huge brain trust outside the government which can
pick up a phone and speak its mind to the PM himself.
Advani, Joshi, Shourie etc. This government can succeed
only when each of us feel that we are already part of it,
influencing every decisions as a stake holder. I do feel
Shourie is a light house in a dark night for the ships to know
direction.
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Pooja Roy Stratteam
12 days ago
Incisive and thought provoking.

All of us Modi-supporters believed that the government
would perform like he does. In certain areas (setting up a SIT
for black money recovery etc) he has worked fast , and
corruption has dropped . India after 15-20 years is globally
seen as less corrupt than China : for a few months work, this
is creditable.
But there is also the baggage of poor quality politicos which
have been heaped on Modiji by various sides - including
ineffective old party apparat-chicks among them. He is
carrying the burden of some 50% ministers who are pretty
ineffective or downright a drag on the system
Needs to step up the pace of reform : that is a valid point.
Cannot live with the eye on the next state election and defer
decisions, if that is what is happening.
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Saurabh Jain
12 days ago
aurn shourie should have been in govt. he is truly a great guy

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Saad
12 days ago
The current government and the PMO resembles to me as a

wedding reception, where everyone is still only taking
pictures, and going around, greeting relatives (newly
appointed ministers). And as that is starting to fade out,they
are going back to their normal lives of corruption and same
inadequacy that they lamented and accused the previous
governments of possessing. The countless U-turns are now
to be seen, in terms of black money, Ganga Sanitation
Project, Pakistani Army's attacks, China's advances into
Indian territory. The PM barely has time from photo-ops and
defend his illiterate, brash and ignorant ministers who are
turning to be worse than all the previous governments. And
the number of communal incidences taking place across the
country, oh.. don't even get me started on that.
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12 days ago
I agree Modi is reforming an ocean. Almost everything in

India is broke like judiciary in Shourie's wife's case, police
who did not issue summons, our infrastructure, education. I
think Modi needs at least 10 years to make some very visible
change in our day to day living like in west.
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pawan kumar
12 days ago
Implicit meaning "take me in and I can help u fix what is

wrong now". Photo title from Indian express pushes his case
with a subjective title of a photo. Funny
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Fair Mind
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12 days ago
Great interview. One however gets an impression that Mr.

Shourie is a trifle impatient and expecting the results too
soon from the new govt. Nobody knows for sure in full, what
our PM has in his mind as a roadmap to turn things around.
May be he is practical. May be he has a measured method in
mind rather than a revolutionary change to deliver instant,
large impact. From his experience in Gujarat, he may also
have understood that things take time (notwithstanding
some of his party's pre-poll promises e.g.: getting black
money back within 100 days of coming to power or
whatever). If you want to flog the PM for not delivering
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whatever). If you want to flog the PM for not delivering

instant results, it is your immaturity to blame first, since you
believed that a new govt. could do that. We elected the govt.
for 5 years and we should be optimistic that they will deliver
on at least some of the promises made. Did we/do we have
a better choice? Have we not seen what the other
governments have delivered in past 60+ years?
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Vishnukant Saxena > Fair Mind
12 days ago
Very well summarised . .your response is as well

measured as is Shories's early warning gestures.
However it is of utmost importance to 1. give due
weigthage to states 2. Delegating powers to m
ministers and bureucracy 3. Reducing the level of
publicity and focus on 'done' than 'said'. Hope right
people in Modi's team heed these traffic signals.
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Sunil > Fair Mind
12 days ago
But Mr fair Mind, you did not comment the promise

made about the same results we are expecting by
this government! As a voter I voted on the
expectations set by them; now why blame me if I
make noise. Better should not you be thrashed for the
lies setting too high expectations?
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asif zubair > Fair Mind
12 days ago
Yes, i agree but with respect, i don't think Mr. Shourie

is naive enough to expect too much too soon. I think
he points to structural problems which, by way of his
experience, need to be changed otherwise delivering
on promises could be difficult if not impossible.
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Anuj Mittal
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12 days ago
My father would always say that while voting and choosing

the govt you have to choose best out of the worst. After
reading this whole interview I find tha actually Mr. Shourie
has endorsed the same in much detailed manner.
I wish our PM Mr Modi could utilize such great honest and
intellectual person like Mr Shourie. Every person has some
weaknesses and in case of Mr Modi I think it is his ego.
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weaknesses and in case of Mr Modi I think it is his ego.

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sandy
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12 days ago
Conversation with Arun Shourie reminds me of views of

Marketing in-charge Vs. Production in-charge in the factory..
Marketing in-charge has multiple responsibilities of keeping
Customer & Bosses happy, ensuring good perception of the
company, maintaining bottom line and ensuring cash-flows.
Production man has just to deliver the product. He often
criticize Marketing man on various grounds but is aware that
Marketing man has to run the entire show. Modi has the role
of Marketing in-charge. Shourie cribs like the Production
man.
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shiv
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12 days ago
Mr Shourie'scomments has merit because nothing much has

changed apart from regular noise from Modi.His entire
cabinet barring one or two has no merit or capability to
change things.Modi seems to think that bureaucrats can
bring in changes but then many of these bureaucrats are
actuallly crooks.Without their silence or connaivance,none of
the scams would have taken place.I won't be surprised if
many in BJP government minus Modi are waiting for the day
similar to crooked congress regimes where they can swindle
public funds mindlessly.Who knows what Modi's clout in
party will be when BJP starts loosing elections?I don't think
Modi has the confidance to surrownd himself as ministers
people who are capable of doing as good or better job than
him.So what good Modi's honesty or capability for this
country? Finally Modi will be remembered for making
blunders in giving portfolios of Finance and defence to one
who has no demonstrable capability/abilty especially the
ones where major scams have taken place where total
sweeping of all the scums needed to set right the
system.These 2 portfolios need men of high
integrity,knowledge,top of the world health and iron balls to
face crooks and make changes.So who do we get?
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Guest
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12 days ago
One sensible decision was to scrap the planning

commission. Don't replace one gaushala with another, filled
with a new set of derelict cows. Woh ek daur tha, guzar
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with a new set of derelict cows. Woh ek daur tha, guzar

gaya.
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CS Venkat
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12 days ago
Mr. Shourie is basically saying that deeds are more

important than words! PM Modi is a man of sincere
intentions who has to rely on a bureaucracy that has gone
gone bad.
One way he can make a start is to clean up activities in
Government offices, install video cameras, and severely
punish bribe takers. He only has to do this in a few major
cities, and the news will spread like wild fire across the
nation. In a sense, this is how Saddam Hussein operated. He
executed a few, to instill the fear of God in others!
We certainly don't want a Saddam in India, but we
desperately need to eliminate petty corruption in the ranks of
the bureaucracy, who currently feel a sense of entitlement
when it comes to extorting money from the people.
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bhola
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12 days ago
It is surprising that Mr Shourie not in the govt- it is high time

he is given a role either in govt or planning comm or some
other place. He being an brilliant intellectual and person with
previous experience in NDA govt- can really shake things upthis is badly needed. We don't want just yes men if we want
real change
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Harshraj Singh
12 days ago
An intellectual giant and a balanced man..

Arun Shourie is always a delight to read...
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Raj
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12 days ago
I agree with Arun Shourie and like him millions of us who

voted for Modi are disappointed with whats going on. For me
it looks like Modi is basking in the glory & accolades that the
world is bestowing on him which was denied to him for the
past 10 years and he is not into serious governance yet. The
persons occupying certain key ministries like Jaitley are
misfits. They are more into pampering the very same
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misfits. They are more into pampering the very same

journalists like Barkha & Rajdeep whose hatred for Modi is
well known. Somehow i get the feeling Modi is not in control
of things and if he doesn't get a grip soon their won't be any
2019 and the 282 now will become 82.
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balayogi
12 days ago
This man, Arun Shourie, never minces his words or

proceeds with preconceptions but analysis everything and
everyone purely on
merits based on facts and never bothers about making bold
statements. A rare
journalist different from all the paid media personnel and low
profile
politician who does not prioritize making politically correct
statements
over what is essential and important for the economic
development of the
society.
ead his interview and every statement of his
R
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unpleasant truths.
We need such critical analysts who analyze issues
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Modi may be an agent of

Former Union minister Arun Shourie talks about the

impenetrable fog that surrounds those who assume office

Harish Damodaran: Why is the food not coming?

Even today, the main instrument relied on is bureaucracy.

Dilip Bobb: So you dont think Modi is an agent of change?

persons who are at the cutting edge the inspector, the

So the reform has to be much deeper. When people assume

Amitabh Sinha: Going by high-pitched campaigns like

fault of those who are learning German? If you are so keen,

P Vaidyanathan Iyer: Do you see the current government as

very big man, whose name I cannot tell you. It is not a

rhetoric. Vietnam is in non-lethal conflict with China. I am all

Surabhi: Critics say there is intellectual paucity in the

Nehru), Narasimha Rao and Atal Bihari Vajpayee. The others

Rajgopal Singh*: What is your opinion on age limit for

Praveen Swami: This government has announced grand

A PM can only give a sense of direction, he can symbolically

Abhishek Angad*: How do you think the government is

religion. Whenever we provide benefit based on a criterion

Ajay Shankar: The Modi wave still seems to be prevailing.

P Vaidyanathan Iyer: Would you accept a role in

*EXIMS student Transcribed by Aslesha and Saikat Bose

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Join the discussion

arun shourie as usual is candid and 1 shd listen to him - has

He was aspiring for a plum post.

Good interview, but is his party listening?

Prof Ujjwal K Chowdhury

Very balanced interview that looks at Modi's India from a

Trust shourie to call it like it is, unlike Modi stooges in media

I think this is the right way of criticizing someone. You need

Overall a nice Q & A session.

He is judging the new government on his scale he set being

Very good interview Wish Mr Shourie was young possibly he

You are asking for somebody's credentials. For that you

I agree with Arun Shoirie. In order to side line "Seniors" Modi

Salute to Shourie. Probably, the most capable person with

One keeps hearing about lack of talent or to elongate the

MParrikar... at Gujarat and Modis cost. Though he can be

Changing mindsets of bureaucrats can't be done in a few

The British divided the country into states keeping

This is what Arun Shourie devolved into after 2000, just a

Arun Shourie is bang on target when he says : my wife is out

Impatient Indians have heralded a painless transition. Now

Affordable Healthcare etc. etc. ought to follow. IF NOTHING

I believe the greatest advantage this government has is that

Pooja Roy Stratteam

Incisive and thought provoking.

aurn shourie should have been in govt. he is truly a great guy

The current government and the PMO resembles to me as a

I agree Modi is reforming an ocean. Almost everything in

Implicit meaning "take me in and I can help u fix what is

Great interview. One however gets an impression that Mr.

whatever). If you want to flog the PM for not delivering

Vishnukant Saxena > Fair Mind

Very well summarised . .your response is as well

Sunil > Fair Mind

But Mr fair Mind, you did not comment the promise

asif zubair > Fair Mind

Yes, i agree but with respect, i don't think Mr. Shourie