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m_shortpants
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(Today, 07:09 PM)
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My brother thinks that chemtrails, high fructose syrup, and GMO food exist solely to give us cancer.
#201
I nod and walk away whenever these conversations arise.
PsychBat!
#202
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(Today, 07:10 PM)
Originally Posted by John OJ. O'Johnjey
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PLEASE, point me toward it : act with pragmatism, and not with sarcasm and with the stick of morality in your hand
ready to beat me
sounds like you'll just ignore it though, and what's with the use of colons?
John OJ. O'Johnjey

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(Today, 07:11 PM)
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#203
can be a constructive dialogue?

do not think I'm checking the exact unfolding of events as I have just described?
John OJ. O'Johnjey
#204
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(Today, 07:14 PM)
Originally Posted by PsychBat!
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sounds like you'll just ignore it though, and what's with the use of semicolons?
please do not believe you know at the intentions of others: point me towards the scientific research : and let it go the uncertainty
in the language, i'm not a native speaker, and the ESL is a continuos learning
Armaros
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(Today, 07:15 PM)
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This thread is the poster child for the idea that "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence".
#205
Also that basic logic and (not so common) sense unravels it all.
Edit: also a fresh junior account, with half their posts talking about how the cancer cure conspiracy is true...
While babbling incoherently.
Last edited by Armaros; Today at 07:23 PM.
John OJ. O'Johnjey
#206
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(Today, 07:21 PM)
Originally Posted by Armaros
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This thread is the poster child for the idea that "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence".
Also that basic logic and (not so common) sense unravels it all.
people who claim that there are no cures , have not provided TESTS (in the TRUE meaning of the term): and the "scientific
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research" are NOT incontrovertible evidence: the "science" is NOT necessarily FREE, and ONLY SEEKING THE TRUTH, then
determine what is true or false based on scientific research ONLY is flawed and short-sighted.
EDIT: but what counts is the fact that i am a "JUNIOR" : prejudice (and lack of humility) completely clouded judgment.
Kinitari
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(Today, 07:23 PM)
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ready to beat me
This does a good job pointing out the issues with the cute, with references
http://www.quackwatch.org/01Quackery...r/dibella.html
demon
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but you have dogs on your
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(Today, 07:23 PM)
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#208
The blind arrogance of the U.S.A. (or WASP) "culture" , and his "faithful servants", rooted in the fierce competition,
materialism, reductionism, scientism, positivism, in the "I do not see I do not think," is fully manifested on these virtual
pages:
there is an OCEAN of SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE ( e.g. the "Di Bella" cure , for example, AMONG MANY MANY OTHERS) of
TESTIMONIALS, of DIRECT EXPERIENCE ... and yet you prefer to take refuge in sarcasm, in the boundless conceit, into
attitude, in fatalism, ...
there are none so deaf as those who will not hear;
do yourself a bathroom humility, REALLY PUT YOURSELF IN QUESTION ,EXPERIENCE, LISTEN TO ALL THE BELLS AND
WHOSE THAT HAVE EXPERIENCED PERSONALLY;
if only in these places do not banish "mercilessly" when the 'policy' of the "upper floors" is not respected, i will put my
time and energy to chip away at the short-sighted and presumptuous fiercely positions that I see spilling out like
mushrooms on "hot topics" with the implicit and ill-concealed TAXATION towards the same "open-minded" position,
otherwise the ban, with childish sarcasm and fierce in outline.
Greetings: sarcasm ahead with free content and humility: the U.S. : The pinnacle of modern civilization ... (THIS is
instead sarcasm)
Doctors hate him.
Orayn
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(Today, 07:24 PM)
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#209
people who claim that there are no cures , have not provided TESTS (in the TRUE meaning of the term): and the
"scientific research" are NOT incontrovertible evidence: the "science" is NOT necessarily FREE, and ONLY SEEKING THE
TRUTH, then determine what is true or false based on scientific research ONLY is flawed and short-sighted.
You're accusing everyone else of ignoring evidence that doesn't support their views... While conveniently dismissing evidence that
doesn't support your views.
We could try to evaluate claims based on the quality of data available, but I'm afraid that might not go well for you.
Kinitari
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(Today, 07:25 PM)
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#210
people who claim that there are no cures , have not provided TESTS (in the TRUE meaning of the term): and
the "scientific research" are NOT incontrovertible evidence: the "science" is NOT necessarily FREE, and ONLY SEEKING
THE TRUTH, then determine what is true or false based on scientific research ONLY is flawed and short-sighted.
EDIT: but what counts is the fact that i am a "JUNIOR" : prejudice (and lack of humility) completely clouded judgment.
I don't understand what you mean by the bolded. Is it up to people who claim that there are no known cures to cancer to prove
that there are no known cures to cancer? How would they go about that?
thespot84
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people who claim that there are no cures , have not provided TESTS (in the TRUE meaning of the term): and the
"scientific research" are NOT incontrovertible evidence: the "science" is NOT necessarily FREE, and ONLY SEEKING THE
TRUTH, then determine what is true or false based on scientific research ONLY is flawed and short-sighted.
a) this screams Troll. (please provide evidence to the contrary. See how this works?)
b) please take a writing class. Your capitalization for emphasis does not make any sense. Your subject/verb agreement is
abysmal. Your style is the literary equivalent of a homeless man yelling at himself on the street.
c) Here is an analysis of Di Bella which sites an Italian study that killed a bunch of people because it didn't work:
http://www.cancer.org/treatment/trea...-bella-therapy
d) am I feeding it enough?
John OJ. O'Johnjey
#212
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(Today, 07:27 PM)
Originally Posted by Kinitari
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This does a good job pointing out the issues with the cute, with references
http://www.quackwatch.org/01Quackery...r/dibella.html
WHAT? and these would TESTS? ever you kidding?
but the evidence, but the research of many other researchers, but the direct experience .. do not count for anything?
but this is the logic? but this is common sense?
SliceSabre
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(Today, 07:27 PM)
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There's a lot of people that think these things and honestly, I don't blame them.
#213
There really is more profit in people suffering from the treatments that go along with having cancer than there would be with a
pill that could cure cancer.
I don't believe that to be the current case but it wouldn't shock me to hear companies and governments keeping cures under
wraps for profit reasons.
John OJ. O'Johnjey

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(Today, 07:28 PM)
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#214
Originally Posted by thespot84
a) this screams Troll. (please provide evidence to the contrary. See how this works?)
b) please take a writing class. Your capitalization for emphasis does not make any sense. Your subject/verb agreement is
abysmal. Your style is the literary equivalent of a homeless man yelling at himself on the street.
c) Here is an analysis of Di Bella which sites an Italian study that killed a bunch of people because it didn't work:
http://www.cancer.org/treatment/trea...-bella-therapy
d) am I feeding it enough?
OK, now i will post the counter research: and, again, exuse my use of the english language
Zaphod
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thinking?"
"No."
"Neither do I."
(Today, 07:30 PM)
#215
Originally Posted by vicnorris
If there was a cure it would be cheaper than those half measures and many enterprises would join the cause and some
cancer stripes would be so cheap that they wouldn't win a desirable money.
Treatments that are not final are the best for pharmaceuticals.
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Why would they charge less for the cure? Cancer is not exactly a long term manageable ailment.
SamVimes
#216
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(Today, 07:30 PM)
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ready to beat me
I don't have anything in english handy but inn 1998 the italian government caved in to the pressure from the idiotic media and the
result was a complete flop. http://www.iss.it/binary/publ/publi/9912.1109937886.pdf
The method didn't work at all. Further it's certain that Di Bella manipulated his data to make his results look way more impressive
than they actually were, when he released his documents it turned out that for 50% it is unknown if they ever had cancer in the
first place, for 30% it is unknown what happened after the therapy ended, of the 20% remaning only 8% survived and of those
244 were treated with chemio and the di bella therapy while only 4 were only treated with the di bella therapy. All 4 of those died
during the next 3 years.
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John OJ. O'Johnjey
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#217
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(Today, 07:31 PM)
Originally Posted by Orayn
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You're accusing everyone else of ignoring evidence that doesn't support their views... While conveniently dismissing
evidence that doesn't support your views.
We could try to evaluate claims based on the quality of data available, but I'm afraid that might not go well for you.
you put in comparison only "evidence" packaged by others (the "scientist" , but other scientist have said different , and ignored,
things instead) : the direct experience , testimonies from people who have used it, should be considered
Kinitari
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(Today, 07:34 PM)
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WHAT? and these would TESTS? ever you kidding?

but the evidence, but the research of many other researchers, but the direct experience .. do not count for anything?
but this is the logic? but this is common sense?
What do you mean by tests?
The link I provided you goes through the false claims, the additional research done on the method, and the fundamental flaws.
John OJ. O'Johnjey
#219
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(Today, 07:35 PM)
Originally Posted by SamVimes
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I don't have anything in english handy but inn 1998 the italian government caved in to the pressure from the idiotic media
and the result was a complete flop. http://www.iss.it/binary/publ/publi/9912.1109937886.pdf
The method didn't work at all. Further it's certain that Di Bella manipulated his data to make his results look way more
impressive than they actually were, when he released his documents it turned out that for 50% it is unknown if they ever
had cancer in the first place, for 30% it is unknown what happened after the therapy ended, of the 20% remaning only
8% survived and of those 244 were treated with chemio and the di bella therapy while only 4 were only treated with the
di bella therapy. All 4 of those died during the next 3 years.
WHAT ?!?!?!?!?!?! the italian government ??????
it has been shown that the experiments on the Di Bella were carried out in erroneous conditions not favorable for manifesting the
truth about it, or that works : is your ONLY bad faith to hear a bell, perhaps in this side of the ocean the truth did not come ...
thespot84
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OK, now i will post the counter research: and, again, exuse my use of the english language
Regarding your english usage here are some suggestions:
1: Subject/verb agreement: "the scientific research are not" is not correct. Because 'scientific research' is singular, the correct
verb usage would be "is". "the scientific research is not".
2: Again, your capitalization and colon usage only hurt your communication. They're distracting and nonconstructive, and are
generally read by your audience as yelling. Persuasive arguments rely on brevity (being short, concise, and to the point). Write in
paragraph style, using short simple sentences to get your argument across. Separate your writing into paragraphs (a few
sentences that relate to a single point each) to make it easier for the reader to follow along.
3: Regardless of your style and syntax, your argument relies on an assumption that flies in the face of the very nature of scientific
research and inquiry. You're putting the burden of proof on those who disagree with you to prove a negative. Basic science (and
logic) rely on proving only positives, thus, the burden of proof is on you to provide evidence for your claim that Di Bella does work.
The evidence that it does work thus far seems been discredited, so those of us who rely on scientific inquiry see the issue as
settled until further evidence is made available. Until you reconcile this basic disagreement, you'll get nowhere, especially here.
ciaossu
#221
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.
Well, certainly a "huh" moment reading that.
Seems like you are asserting that the scientific method and modern medicine should be dismissed because some people say
treatment X worked for them. Though I'm not really sure since the post is all over the place.
JasonMCG
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JasonMCG
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(Today, 07:36 PM)
I have a buddy who thinks the same thing. "The money's in the medicine"he always says that...guess there's some truth to
that point.
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Siegcram
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I have a buddy who thinks the same thing. "The money's in the medicine"he always says that...guess there's some
truth to that point.
You know what a cure would be? Medicine.
John OJ. O'Johnjey
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Originally Posted by Kinitari
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What do you mean by tests?

The link I provided you goes through the false claims, the additional research done on the method, and the fundamental
flaws.
with TESTS i mean PROOF :
YOU, PERSONALLY, can not assume certainty about , ONLY based on research, and this "also applies for me": for this reason that
the eyewitness accounts, the direct experiences, the other bells, must be considered
SocksAndShoes
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you put in comparison only "evidence" packaged by others (the "scientist" , but other scientist have said different , and
ignored, things instead) : the direct experience , testimonies from people who have used it, should be considered
Oh boy. This is not at all how scientific research works.
thespot84
#226
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Originally Posted by JasonMCG
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I have a buddy who thinks the same thing. "The money's in the medicine"he always says that...guess there's some
truth to that point.
the money is in the medicine. Pharma brings in a shit load of money by selling drugs. They would not make money by not selling
drugs.
The biggest problem with pharma right now is not that they're hiding anything, it's that the US subsidizes drug development costs
for the rest of the world because we pay such high prices under our health care system. It's even shittier that there's no easy
solution to this, since drug development is actually very expensive, and if the US didn't subsidize it everyone else, including the
developing world, would have to pay more.
Originally Posted by SocksAndShoes
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John OJ. O'Johnjey
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Originally Posted by ciaossu
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Well, certainly a "huh" moment reading that.

Seems like you are asserting that the scientific method and modern medicine should be dismissed because some people
say treatment X worked for them. Though I'm not really sure since the post is all over the place.
WHAT ? your prejudice is speaking for you : from where you extrapolate those "things" from my statements ?
Armaros
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(Today, 07:40 PM)
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It does in conspiracy land.
SocksAndShoes
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YOU, PERSONALLY, can not assume certainty about , ONLY based on research, and this "also applies for me": for this
reason that the eyewitness accounts, the direct experiences, the other bells, must be considered
So if enough people told you that pigs can fly, you would believe them?
That's dangerous and naive my friend. Objective facts and subjective experience are two completely different things.
John OJ. O'Johnjey
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Madre di Dios...The scientific research MUST include ALSO them, otherwise is not COMPLETE : is not so hard to understand ...
jmdajr
#231
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Originally Posted by m_shortpants
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My brother thinks that chemtrails, high fructose syrup, and GMO food exist solely to give us cancer.
I nod and walk away whenever these conversations arise.
If you don't hunt and grow your own crops?
you are dead.
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moggio
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Hate to break it to you but "eyewitness accounts, the direct experiences, the other bells" are, in themselves, utterly worthless.
John OJ. O'Johnjey
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So if enough people told you that pigs can fly, you would believe them?
That's dangerous and naive my friend. Objective facts and subjective experience are two completely different things.
you're generalizing! c'mon son...
SocksAndShoes
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you're generalizing! c'mon son...

No, I'm really not. That's exactly what you're proposing here.
I highly suggest you read up on Francis Bacon, Copernicus and Galileo and the formation of the scientific method. I'm not trying to
pile on, but you have a severe misunderstanding of how scientific research works and what it can accomplish.
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John OJ. O'Johnjey
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Hate to break it to you but "eyewitness accounts, the direct experiences, the other bells" are, in themselves, utterly
worthless.
WOW : how can one discuss if those are the premises ...
Arkos
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How do the bells work
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John OJ. O'Johnjey
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No, I'm really not. That's exactly what you're proposing here.
Yes, you are :only the fact of dismissing the direct experience like "fliyng pigs" that must be true only because one said so, is a
bold generalization
Kinitari
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In science and medicine in general, there is a big problem with taking a patient's experience as something very... significant.
For example, let's say I am sick with a cold, and my mother gives me my favorite blanket to make me feel better. A few days
later, I feel better. Should I tell the doctor that my blanket has made me better?
There are times when getting a patient's feelings and opinions is important, but it's not very useful when trying to figure out what
cured them, because a patient just might not know.
That being said, this method has been extensively tested and debunked - even the claims of being cured have been taken to task.
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#239
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Originally Posted by Siegcram
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You know what a cure would be? Medicine.

Preventative treatments, procedures, and recurring medications will bring in loads more coin than a cure ever will. I'd love
LOVEto see cancer get a cure, but suits are motivated by money and material wealth, not helping the sick.
thespot84
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Madre di Dios...The scientific research MUST include ALSO them, otherwise is not COMPLETE : is not so hard to
understand ...
No, eyewitness testimony should absolutely not be included in scientific inquiry
John OJ. O'Johnjey

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" Objective facts and subjective experience are two completely different things. "
#241
YES, and for the single person , the production of the scientific community (A PART of the scientific community) is WITHOUT A
DOUBT a source of PURE TRUTH, EVERY TIME , WITHOUT A DOUBT : and this is not naive ... again, Madre de Dios ...
ciaossu
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WHAT ? your prejudice is speaking for you : from where you extrapolate those "things" from my statements ?
OK then what exactly are you trying to say? That there is a "cure for cancer" (a statement in itself that does not make sense) and
people aren't trusting it?
speculawyer
clairvoyancy is no excuse forSorry .

trollin'
(Today, 07:48 PM)
. . but they are just garden variety conspiracy theorists.
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He blurted out that maybe there is a cure and that the government is keeping it a secret to all but the highest bidder.
Like this makes any sense whatsoever. If they were really so evil then why don't they offer it to the millions of cancer sufferers for
high price? People dying of cancer would pay everything they have for a cure.
I fucking hate conspiracy theories . . .

Armaros
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Yes, you are :only the fact of dismissing the direct experience like "fliyng pigs" that must be true only because one said
so, is a bold generalization
Human senses and perceptions are easily muddled and deceived. Many times by our own bodies.
They are incompatable with hard data when conducting an experiment.
thespot84
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" Objective facts and subjective experience are two completely different things. "
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YES, and for the single person , the production of the scientific community (A PART of the scientific community) is
WITHOUT A DOUBT a source of PURE TRUTH, EVERY TIME , WITHOUT A DOUBT : and this is not naive ... again, Madre
de Dios ...
I believe you're trying to be sarcastic here. Are you?
AkuMifune
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#246
It's true. Once in a fever dream I spirit-walked into a secret meeting of the illuminati and they were discussing how to stop
people from having sex so much and over-populating the planet. They were upset that AIDS didn't work and just chose to keep
the cure for cancer a secret until after they've intentionally melted the polar ice caps. Even though I was wearing a doctor's mask
they now know my psychic signature and have been looking for me ever since.
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John OJ. O'Johnjey
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No, eyewitness testimony should absolutely not be included in scientific inquiry
C'mon son !
I'm speaking for direct experience ! (AND not only mine)
the maximun that you can do is posting an article , with the same paradigm myopia
is not that hard to understand that ;
you speak like a religious fanatic :THAT scientific method have FLAW : is cristal clear .
John OJ. O'Johnjey
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Originally Posted by Armaros
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Human senses and perceptions are easily muddled and deceived. Many times by our own bodies.
They are incompatable with hard data when conducting an experiment.
And again, another generalization: contextualise your statement in this specific topic please : the HARD data, MUST go through
what i have said before :THAT scientific method must include also the direct experience,etc. without counting the CORRUPTED
and DECEIVING SIDE of the things .
PsychBat!
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Your anecdotal "evidence" is worthless. Just stop. And stop double posting.
Kinitari
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C'mon son !
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C'mon son !
I'm speaking for direct experience ! (AND not only mine)
the maximun that you can do is posting an article , with the same paradigm myopia
is not that hard to understand that ;
you speak like a religious fanatic :THAT scientific method have FLAW : is cristal clear .
If my mom gets sick, when someone asks her what made her better, she says Allah in his graciousness did. Is this useful?
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Dad and sister of mine think that the cure for cancer exists but is hidden - Page 5 - NeoGAF

I nod and walk away whenever these conversations arise.

Originally Posted by John OJ. O'Johnjey

John OJ. O'Johnjey

can be a constructive dialogue?

John OJ. O'Johnjey

Originally Posted by PsychBat!

Last edited by Armaros; Today at 07:23 PM.

John OJ. O'Johnjey

Originally Posted by Armaros

Black Canada Mafia

Originally Posted by John OJ. O'Johnjey

there are none so deaf as those who will not hear;

Originally Posted by John OJ. O'Johnjey

John OJ. O'Johnjey

Originally Posted by Kinitari

John OJ. O'Johnjey

Originally Posted by John OJ. O'Johnjey

John OJ. O'Johnjey

Originally Posted by Orayn

Black Canada Mafia

Originally Posted by John OJ. O'Johnjey

WHAT? and these would TESTS? ever you kidding?

John OJ. O'Johnjey

Originally Posted by SamVimes

Originally Posted by John OJ. O'Johnjey

Originally Posted by John OJ. O'Johnjey

Originally Posted by JasonMCG

John OJ. O'Johnjey

Originally Posted by Kinitari

What do you mean by tests?

Originally Posted by John OJ. O'Johnjey

Originally Posted by JasonMCG

Originally Posted by SocksAndShoes

Oh boy. This is not at all how scientific research works.

John OJ. O'Johnjey

Originally Posted by ciaossu

Well, certainly a "huh" moment reading that.

Originally Posted by SocksAndShoes

Oh boy. This is not at all how scientific research works.

Originally Posted by John OJ. O'Johnjey

with TESTS i mean PROOF :

Originally Posted by SocksAndShoes

Oh boy. This is not at all how scientific research works.

Originally Posted by m_shortpants

Originally Posted by John OJ. O'Johnjey

with TESTS i mean PROOF :

Originally Posted by SocksAndShoes

Originally Posted by John OJ. O'Johnjey

you're generalizing! c'mon son...

John OJ. O'Johnjey

Originally Posted by moggio

How do the bells work

John OJ. O'Johnjey

Originally Posted by SocksAndShoes

Black Canada Mafia

Originally Posted by John OJ. O'Johnjey

with TESTS i mean PROOF :

Originally Posted by Siegcram

You know what a cure would be? Medicine.

Originally Posted by John OJ. O'Johnjey

John OJ. O'Johnjey

Originally Posted by John OJ. O'Johnjey