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#34877 - 05/11/10 12:46 AM

Significance of hanger load cases

dsiingh
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What is the Significance of first 2 hanger load cases. how can we describe H
(hanger load) used with load cases?

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#34883 - 05/11/10 06:26 AM

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For Hanger Selection you need to know the Load and displacement at that
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"Don't" fool with the first two load cases!

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#34892 - 05/11/10 12:16 PM

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In my opinion you often have to "fool" them (in other words, change them) to
get the appropriate hanger selected. Especially when you have WNC cases or D
cases in the calculation.

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So, it will select appropriate spring size based on above datas

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In first case: You will get loads

In second case : you will get displacement

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#34903 - 05/12/10 01:22 AM

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CAESAR II - Users Guide Notes on CAESAR II Load Case,

Chapter Error Checking, Static Load Cases, and Analysis, page 6-27:
Recommended Load Cases for Hanger Selection
If spring hangers are to be designed by the program, two additional load cases
must first be analyzed in order to obtain the data required to select a variable
support. The two basic requirements for sizing hangers are the deadweight
carried by the hanger (hot load) and the range of vertical travel to be
accommodated.
The first load case (traditionally called Restrained Weight) consists of only
deadweight (W). For this analysis CAESAR II includes a rigid restraint in the
vertical direction at every location where a hanger is to be sized. The load on
the restraint from this analysis is the deadweight that must be carried by the
support in the hot condition.
For the second load case, the hanger is replaced with an upward force equal to
the calculated hot load, and an operating load case is run. This load case
(traditionally called Free Thermal) includes the deadweight and thermal
effects, the first pressure set (if defined), and any displacements,
(W+D1+T1+P1). The vertical displacements of the hanger locations, along with
the previously calculated deadweights are then passed on to the hanger
selection routine.
Once the hangers are sized, the added forces are removed and replaced with
the selected supports along with their pre-loads (cold loads), designated by load
component H.
Note that load component H may appear in the load cases for hanger design if
the user has predefined any springs- in this case it would represent the
pre-defined operating loads.
CAESAR II then continues with the load case recommendations as defined
above.
A typical set of recommended load cases for a single operating load case spring
hanger design appears as follows:
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W ....WEIGHT FOR HANGER LOADS

W+D1+T1+P1 ....OPERATING FOR HANGER TRAVEL
W+D1+T1+P1+H (OPE) ...OPERATING (HGRS. INCLUDED)
W+P1+H (SUS) ....SUSTAINED LOAD CASE
L3-L4 (EXP) ....EXPANSION LOAD CASE
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#34908 - 05/12/10 05:09 AM

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@Mariog & AY, but why is it a usually recommended practice to copy the
operating load/hot load from the output and manually input it in the input for
Hanger selection?
pardon my "question" if it seems too trivial, just need to be sure i know why !
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#34912 - 05/12/10 08:37 AM

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I wouldn't say that practice is "recommended". However, if you have a number

of hangers in series, and there is a riser at one end of the line, there may be a
variation in hanger stiffness and/or pre-load. If you want to "manually
adjust/balance" out the loads, then you would start tweaking the individual
hanger spreadsheets.
This is adjusting the input, not the "hanger design load cases". If you adjust the
"hanger design load cases" incorrectly, your hanger design is wrong, which
means everything else is wrong.
Details of the hanger design methodology can be found in the Technical
Reference Manual.
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#34928 - 05/13/10 04:42 AM

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Thanks MARIOG to clear the concept of Hanger load cases.

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#41439 - 03/04/11 02:09 PM

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@Mariog & AY, but why is it a usually recommended practice to copy

the operating load/hot load from the output and manually input it in
the input for Hanger selection?
pardon my "question" if it seems too trivial, just need to be sure i
know why !

Indeed you may want to do this once you issued the spring hanger
specification. In this way you will avoid changes of spring loads for minor
adjusting of the piping.
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