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Jul03,201104:45AM

CHeers,Bentleyandahappy4thofJulytoyou.
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GoodforyourightnowwehaveabandofthunderstormsgoingthroughalldaysoIamnotsure
howthatisgoingtoaffectthefestivitiesyettheymaybecanceleduntiltomorrowJuly4th.But
itisgivingussomeveryneededrainwhichisalwaysgood.
Enjoyyourcappuccino.

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Jul03,201106:48AM

Bentleywrote:"Goodforyourightnowwehaveabandofthunderstormsgoingthroughall
daysoIamnotsurehowthatisgoingtoaffectthefestivitiesyettheymaybecanceleduntil
tomorrowJuly4th.Buti..."
WewereoutinWestTexasformyFatherinlaw'sfuneral(92,ingoodhealthandmentallysharpbut
founddeadinbed15minutesafterleavingthecommonroomathisassistedlivingcenter)andthey
haven'thadrainsinceOctober.Allfireworksarebannedduetoextremefirehazard.
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HowhorriblePatricrk...mycondolencestoyourwifeandyou.Itsoundslikehelivedagoodlife
andsometimesIguessitisjusttimeeventhoughwedonotwantthemtogo.
AlsounbelievableaboutnorainsinceOctober!
IwishIcouldsendsomeraintoWestTexastorelievetheirdrought.
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Jul03,201107:18AM

Bentleywrote:"HowhorriblePatricrk...mycondolencestoyourwifeandyou.Itsoundslike
helivedagoodlifeandsometimesIguessitisjusttimeeventhoughwedonotwantthemto
go.
Alsounbelievableabo..."
ThankYou,itwasnotasadfuneral.HewaswellrespectedinhischurchandcommunityandIthinkhe
wasreadytogo.ItwasasadwaytoendourEuropeanadventurebutasmuchasweenjoyedourstay
inFrancewewerereadytocomehome.
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Jul03,201108:27AM

Oh,soyouarehomenowpermanentlyIhadthoughtthatmaybeyouweregoingback.
Thatreallyisasadwaytoendanadventurebutlifeislikethatsometimeyougetastrongdose
ofrealitywhichshakesthingsupandbringsyourightbacktoearth.
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message9:byAndr(new)

Jul03,201108:30AM

Myfavoriteauntpassedawayaweekago.Weallknewhertimehadcomeandshewentinher
sleep,verypeacefully.
AlthoughtheonesleftbehindforobviousreasonsareoftensaddenedbythelossIdon'tthinka
funeralnecessarilyneedstobeasadthing.
TheDutchQueenWilhelminadecidedin1919thatshewantedawhitefuneral.Whenthatdaycame,in
1962,onhercoffinshejusthadtheDutchflagandaspecialbibleopenedonJohn17:21Thattheyall
maybeone...
Myaunthadnothingdotodowithchurchorreligionbutshefirmlybelievedthisisalljustpartof
somethingmuchbiggerwhichwewillonlybegintounderstandwhenweprepareforthenextstepand
beyond.Shewouldhavelovedthosewordstoo.
BestwishestoyouPatrickandyourfamily.
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message10:byHarvey(new)

Jul04,201102:00AM

CondolencestoPatrickandAndr.
WanttowishyouallaHappy4thJuly.
Assoonasmypassportisrenewed,offtoMersaMatruhforholidays.Lookingforwardtogettingout
ofKuwaitsandstorms!
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Jul04,201102:10AM

Harveywrote:"CondolencestoPatrickandAndr.
WanttowishyouallaHappy4thJuly.
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Thanks,Harvey.MyAunthashadagreatlifeandshewasreadyforwhatshecalled"thegreat
adventure".
Haveagreatholidayandahappy4thofJuly!
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Jul04,201102:14AM

Andrwrote:"Haveagreatholiday..."
ThanksAndrIwillifmynewpassportgetsbackfromDsseldorfintime!
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Jul04,201102:18AM

Harveywrote:"Andrwrote:"Haveagreatholiday..."
ThanksAndrIwillifmynewpassportgetsbackfromDsseldorfintime!"
I'llcrossmyfingerstheyhaven'tbeendrownedinsomebeerpot!
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Jul04,201102:20AM

Thanks!:)
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message15:by'AussieRick'(new)

Jul04,201101:57PM

AlsomycondolencestoPatrickandAndrandhaveaniceholidayHarvey,soundslikealotof
fun.
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Jul04,201107:35PM

Harveyhavefun.Sawsomegreatfireworkslastnightoldtimecelebrationwhichwasfun.And
tooksometimeofftodaytounwindandsmelltheroses.Somedaysitisfunjusttodonothing.
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message17:byBryan,AssistingModeratorPresidentialSeries(new)

Jul05,201109:39AM

MycondolencestobothAndreandPatricrk,aswell.
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message18:byAndr(new)

Jul05,201109:49AM

ThanksBryan,RickbutlikeIsaid,I'mnotsad.SureIsometimesmissherbutthenIalsosort
ofcarryherwith/insidemebecausethememoriesaresomanyandsoveryrich.
AlsoIknowsheishappywhereversheisnow.Shewasverymuchlookingforwardtothenext
step.I'msureshe'senjoyingtheadventure.
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Jul07,201106:29AM

WheredoIgetstarted?IseetheIntroducingnewmembersparthoweverwhereandhowdoI
introducemyself?
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Jul07,201101:33PM

HiRobert:
Readthissection:
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Andjustdoashortintroductionhere:
http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/9...
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message21:byHarvey(new)

Jul07,201103:09PM

Well....thebadnewswasIdidnotflytonight.ThegoodnewsisthatIdofinallyhavemynew
passportinmynotsogrubbyhands!So...Mondayafternoon'InShallah'IwillbeofftoCairo
andthencemaybeTuesdaytheMed.HaveagoodsupplyofEmmentalandRaclettecheeses.

EgypthasthewinesoIhopetogocrazyonfondues.Iwillbetakingmy
FoodinHistoryby
ReayTannahill.Itisagreatread,thoughtheArabicsectionissmallformycurrentbitofresearchon

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ArabAndalusiancookery.GodonlyknowsifIcangetabookoutoftheabovesubjectbutitshouldbe
aculinaryadventureattheveryleast.

Psmith,Journalistby
P.G.WodehouseasanaudiobookshouldmaketheCairo
Matruhdriverelaxingasmymuchbetterhalfandhersisterwillnodoubtindulgeinsisterlybanter
forthefivehoursorsothedrivewilltake!
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Jul07,201106:40PM

Gladthatthingsareimprovingandyouareonyourwaysoon.Soundslikeontheculinaryside
youhavethingscovered.
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Harveywrote:"Well....thebadnewswasIdidnotflytonight.ThegoodnewsisthatIdo
finallyhavemynewpassportinmynotsogrubbyhands!..."
Harvey,ifonedayyou'llfindthetime,atriptoGruyere(and/ortheValleyoftheEmme
(Emmenthal))isveryspecialinitself.EspeciallythepartinWesternSwitzerlandsurroundingthetwo
lakes(LacdeNeuchatelandBielersee)isveryprecious.Besttoseeinlatespringorlatesummer
(beforeandaftertouristseason)
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message24:byHarvey(new)

Jul08,201112:37AM

Thanksforyourwishes.ApilgrimagetoGruyreandtheEmmesoundlikeheavenonearth.
Finecheese,finewineandfinescenery.Certainlybesttoavoidtouristsenmass.
Itisaparadoxthatgorgeous/interestingplacesattracttourism(naturally)butinturntoomany
touriststendtodestroytheatmosphereonecamefor.
IavoidKhanElKhallimarketinCairoforthatveryreason.LuckilySiwaOasisinEgyptisdifficultto
gettoandsummertoohotformanypeople.AfterKuwaitNOWHEREistoohotinsummer!:)
IhavesomeculinaryprojectsinmindinitiallytestingouttheArabAndalusianideaasbeingmaybe
wellsuitedtoKuwait.
WhilethedrywhiteswillnotbeSwissIwillcontentmyselfwithdreamingofSwitzerland,butatthe
sametimethankingtheEgyptiansforputtinginseveralthousandyearsofviticultureandbrewing
practice.
Forthelasttenyearsorso,sincetheGovernmentdenationalizedthevineyardsandbreweriesthe
qualityhasimprovednoend,thoughthe'Batalsa'asitisknownwasalwayswonderful.Slightlychilled
andaccompanyingSeaUrchincoralsatAbuKirBay,superlative!
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Jul08,201101:16AM

Soundsterrific,HArvey.
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Jul08,201102:31PM

Can'trememberifFoodinHistory
byReayTannahillhasspoilersbutpage238ofmy
editionontrufflesmentionsdeserttrufflesinBotswana,well,FYIsodoesKuwait,seasonalandcalled
'Fajar'.Veryexpensiveandwouldhavebeenafoodphotographysubjectofminehadthejournalist
NOTdecidedtobefoodstylisttoo.Hewasadearfriendbutnofoodstylist.Actuallynostylistatall.
Thetrufflesdoexistthough,butonlyaftertherains,soyoumayimaginehowoftentheyarefound...
Andre!Photographygotmeinterestedincooking.Ifeelitisatimetorevivethis,onlyallmystuff,
largeformatandallismechanicalandusesfilm.NofilminQ8!Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!
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Jul08,201102:41PM

Harveywrote:"NofilminQ8!Grrrrrrrrrrrr!..."
HArvey,can'tyouhavethemsentoverandthenreturnedtobedevelopedlikethe
Kodachromes?Thereshouldbesomeway...
Astherearestillphotographerusingfilm,especiallyincitieslikeNewYork,London,PAristhere
shouldbelabsofferingtheservice...
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Jul08,201103:20PM

Hey!
Greattoknow!Feelabitiffyaboutlargeformat,evenbyDHL.WorthknowingespeciallyasI'm
cookingupsomeideas(nopunintended)aboutmyArabicAndalusianproject.Ihaveallthe

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equipmentofcourse,includingfilmholders,butnottheactualfilm!Evenfor6x6or35mmIhave
hadtoturndownacoupleofassignments,butspoolsorcanistersissortofpractical.
Oooops!
Foodforthought!:))
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message29:byHarvey(new)

Jul08,201103:26PM

ActuallyitisgoodtoknowI'mnotreallyadinosaurafterall!
I'mnotknockingdigitalbutfilmhasitsownqualities.MaybeI'mjustusedtofilmorwas,but
Photoshop,aswonderfulatoolasitis,isattheendofthedayrathermoremechanicalthan
usingthegrainorlackofinfilm.
MaybeI'mjustoldfashioned,butalsowhataboutresolution!Especiallyscanningfromlargeformat
transparency...howmanymega,megapixels????
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Jul09,201104:24AM

IwasabigfanoftheKodak200slidefilmeitherusedasSlideandpushedto400or600or
asNegative...
Butithaslonggone.
AsC41IlovedtheKodak800=neverwasmuchintoFuji(althoughtheC41Fuji800hadbetter
colorsthantheKOdakthereforeIpreferredtheKodakterrificwhenneedingsubduedcolorsin
brightlights...)
Mycustomersforcedmetogodigital.I'mhappywiththemycameras(thoughwithanaloglenses)and
usingPhotoshopIcanrecreatefilmlikegrainetc.etc.
Still,Ihadmostfunusingfilm.
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Jul09,201105:00AM

Andrwrote:"IwasabigfanoftheKodak200slidefilmeitherusedasSlideandpushedto
400or600orasNegative...
Butithaslonggone.
AsC41IlovedtheKodak800=neverwasmuchintoFuji(altho..."
Atripdownmemorylane...IgotusedtoFujiandsworebyitpartlyfamiliarityandpartlythatin
KuwaittheFujiagentwasmuch,much,muchbetterthantheKodakagent.
NaturallyIgravitatedtobetterprices,deals,customerserviceandsoon.Ihavenobeefagainstthe
Kodakproductline.Thelocalagentdidnotcareatossfortheprofessionalmarket,whereastheFuji
agentwashappytogiveserviceanddiscountedpricesforvolumeandactivelywantedtocapturethe
promarket...QED!
Havingdriftedbackintodesign,mediaandtheneditingandmuseumwork,Imissedthedigital
camerarevolution,exceptingofcoursecomputergraphics.
AlsotheKuwaitmarketissmallandCDswithstockpicturestookawaymuchbreadandbutterwork
likegenericshotsofbeansorpeasforfoodpackaging.WatchesandsoonforpromotionswereonCD
fromParisorwhereversotheincentivetoreinvestwasnotreallythere.
Inanycase,workingasIdidonalearnedjournalandbeinginvolvedwithculturaleventswasmore
satisfying,eveniflesswellpaid!
IcanseethescopeinEuropeisverydifferentinmanyways.Photojournalistsareregardedas
professionalsintheirownright.Eachindustrysectorhasitsownspecialistsandsoon.Itwasan
interestingstruggletobattleagainsttheoddsforatimeattemptingallsortsofthingsthatinthereal
worldisrightlyregardedasaseparateskilli.e.sports,food,automotiveandsoon.
Itwasphotographythatgotmeintocookingandinlightofwhatyousaidaboutfilmstillexisting
maybefoodwillgetmebackintophotography!Itwouldbeveryneat!
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Folks,IhavebeenhitfairlyhardbyIreneandjusthavegottenmyelectricitybackthisevening.
Somedamageinbasementandhavehadnointernet,FIOS,electricity,telephoneservice,air
conditioning,younameit.Thisstormhitushardbutgladtohavemyelectricitybackthiseveningand
beabletogetbackontogoodreads.Hopeeveryoneelsehitbythisstormhascomethroughthis
successfully.
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Thankheavensthatyouareallsafe.BesttoyouandyoursasyourecoverfromIrene.Ourbeach
housewassparedbutfurthernorthattheOuterBanksittookatoll.Thoughtsandprayerforall
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Bentleywrote:"Folks,IhavebeenhitfairlyhardbyIreneandjusthavegottenmyelectricity
backthisevening...."
Bentley,myheartfeltthoughtsgoouttoyou.Bestwishesfortherecovery.
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Aug31,201102:23AM

Oooooooooooooooooh!Nasty!Beenthroughmercifullyfewstorms,theoddmonsoonbutno
jokewhennaturehitsout.Gladyouaresafe.Heartfeltwishestoallaffected.
Blessings....
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Aug31,201105:19AM

Ouch.Itishardtobesodisconnected.Itisagoodthingmostofusliketoread,becausewhat
elseistheretodo?
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Aug31,201106:09AM

Gladyougotelectricityback.IhaveafriendwhohasavacationhomeonaNCislandhecan't
getthereduetoallthebridgesareout.Arealmess.
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ThanksallthingsarebadforsomanysoeventhoughIwasinconveniencedtherearesomany
folkswhohavehaditmuchworse.IlovetheOuterBanksandhopethatthingsarenottoo
terribletherebutIfearthattheywereveryexposed.Itissuchabeautifulplace.IthinkIhave
moreofamessonmyhandsthanseveredamage.Bigcleanupsinorder.
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Aug31,201108:42AM

MainthingisthatyouareOK.Thankfullyitlookslikegoodwarningwasabletobegiven.Mess
isaseverepainbutblessingsforyouandallinthesituation.
Onanironicnote,twooftheworstfloodsIwitnessedwereinKuwaitandOman.InthePhilippinesit
isanannualeventsothoughIwasaghastatseeingsomuchwaterwhereitwasnotsupposedtobe
everyonejustcarriedonasnormal.
Greatyouaresafe.Prayersarewithyouandallaffected.
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Aug31,201108:49AM

ThanksHarveyandyoumakeaninterestingpointwethinkofsandanddryclimateswhenwe
thinkofKuwaitandOman.WhenanactofGodsendswateryourwayitisnotagood
experiencenomatterwhereyouhappentobe.
Sotrueaboutwaterandflooding.
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Aug31,201108:56AM

Reportsarecominginthatinsurancecompanieswillhavealessofaburden,becausetheywill
notpayasmuchoutduetoflooding(nofloodinsurance)vs.hurricanedamage(windsetc.)
Crazy.
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Aug31,201109:10AM

Yesforsure.Theyalwaysseemtofindaway.
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Aug31,201109:18AM

Bentleywrote:"ThanksHarveyandyoumakeaninterestingpointwethinkofsandanddry
climateswhenwethinkofKuwaitandOman.WhenanactofGodsendswateryourwayitis
notagoodexperiencenomatter..."
Icantellyou,drivingthroughthemountainsfromMuscattoBuraimiwasquitehonestlyfrightening!
Itwaseerilybeautifultoo.
Scaredthe****outofmeatthetime.
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IjustheardamanfromVermonttalkingabouthowsadhefeltthatsomanyoftheirhistorical
coveredbridgeshadbeendestroyedbythehurricane,andhefearedtheywouldnotberebuilt.
Howverysadaboutthataswellasalltheliveslostandthedamagetopersonalproperty.
Marge
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Aug31,201110:28AM

VerytrueMarjorieIhadthegoodfortunetoseethosebeautifulbridgesandIcountmyself
veryluckyindeed.Idohopetheyrebuildthembecausetheyweresuchbeautifuliconic
structures.
Sadly,thosethebridgesarelostletushopenobodyelselosestheirlivesinVermontandelsewhere
(Catskills),etc.Tremendouslypowerfulstormwherecreekswentfromatrickletoaragingriver
destroyingvillages,businessesandtownsandcuttingoffaccesstothepopulation.
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Sep08,201111:28AM

Notmorefuntodosimultaneoustranslation?:)
Nicetopicthough!(Tim'sdinnerparty)
Now,realcharactersarefascinatingenoughformeatanyrate,soheregoes:

LovetheShirazgrapesoOmarKhayyamTheRuba'yatofOmarKhayam
partyrunning..MyFarsiisveryshakybutshouldbefun.

NextupBenjaminFranklin,

.Brilliantmind!

ActuallytheyareinnoparticularorderApicius
note:Makesuretherearetonsofextraportions!

Wilkeswould

isgoingtogetthe

wouldsuretoenjoydinner.Mental

ArthurH.Cashbefullofscandalouswitandsatire.

W.A.MozartThomasBauman
shouldnotbelostinthecompany.Howdidhewriteallthis
musicjustpouringout,eveninebriated!
MaybeonewhowouldcomplimentthecrowdoffinesybariteswouldbeWinstonSpencerCcurchill

.Whowoulddrinktheotherunderthetablewouldbefascinating.Mymoneybeing
onChurchillandMozartbutnotsure.
Unlikelytobeboringashell!
Bitofastagnight....MynextselectioniswhichladiesI'dinvite!
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Sep08,201111:46AM

Timwrote:"Ifyoucouldhostadinnerpartyforyourselfandsixhistoricalfigures(realor
fictional),whowouldyouinvite?Ofcourseyouhavetoassumethateverybodywill,justfor
theevening,beablet..."
Lookslikeweareintherightplacebutwrongorder...noworries!
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message48:byBentley,GroupFounder,Leader,Chief(new)

Sep08,201112:30PM

Stillagreatexercisehere(smile).

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message49:byHarvey(new)

Sep08,201112:33PM

Bentleywrote:"Stillagreatexercisehere(smile)."
Ohyes!...justthinkingwhichladiesI'llinvite!:)
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Sep08,201112:33PM

Harveyyouaretoofunny.
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