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Hinduism(today(is(discussed(in(an(interview(with(Dr.

(Janssen(Theo,(
Visiting(Professor(and(Researcher(of(Applied(Linguistics(at(the(
Graduate(Institute(of(Applied(Linguistics,(Dallas(and(the(International(
Linguistics(Center(in(Dallas,(Texas.((May(13,(2006)(
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Interviewer:(Sannyasin(Kumaraswami(
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See(articles(on(Hinduism(at:(
http://www.hinduismtoday.com/about_us.shtml(
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Kumaraswami:(Namaste.(We(have(here(with(us(today(Dr.(Janssen(Theo,(
Visiting(Professor(and(Researcher(of(Applied(Linguistics(at(the(
Graduate(Institute(of(Applied(Linguistics(and(the(International(
Linguistics(Center(and(author(of(the(controversial(book,("Language(Use(
and(Discourse(In(Religion:(An(Anatomy(of(Discursive(Epistemic(Cognitive(
Amentia."(From(all(of(us(we(here(offer(thanks(for(taking(time(to(sit(
with(us(today(to(speak(about(your(book.(
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Dr.(Theo:(Thank(you(for(the(warm(welcome(and(it(is(my(pleasure(to(be(
here(with(you.(
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Kumaraswami:(Your(new(book("Language'and'Discourse'in'Religion:'An'
Anatomy'of'Discursive'Epistemic'Cognitive'Amentia"(has(created(quite(a(
stir(in(religious(circles.(It(is(widely(condemned(and(considered(
defamatory(for(its(treatment(of(religious(thought(and(discourse.(
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Dr.(Theo:(Yes,(that(does(indeed(appear(to(be(the(case,(even(though(
there(clearly(is(no(intention(to(defame(religious(thought.(The(reaction(
was(not(unexpected.(
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Kumaraswami:(Why(is(that?(
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Dr.(Theo:(Well(you(see,(in(my(book(I(explain(how(all(religious(
literature,(without(exception,(is(entirely(imaginative(work(since(it(is(
based(on(the(principles(of(word(formation.(It(could(not(be(anything(
else(but(imagination(per(se.(And(discourse(centered(on(these(imaginings(
can(lead(to(a(specific(form(of(cognitive(amentia(when(word(formation,(
meaning(and(use(are(not(clearly(apprehended(and(belief(in(words(takes(a(
tyrannical(hold(on(mental(life.(Saying(this(alone(seems(to(be(enough(
for(some(to(light(fires(and(erect(crosses.(
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Kumaraswami:(I(see.(I(too(disagree(with(your(ideas(as(I(understand(
them,(but(for(the(sake(of(others(what(is(and(how(does(one(develop(the(
condition(you(named(Discursive(Epistemic(Cognitive(Amentia.(

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Dr.(Theo:(I(am(glad(you(can(be(a(sport(about(this(and(to(be(so(direct(
since(many(of(the(anecdotal(evidences(concerns(practitioners(of(various(
forms(of(Hinduism(of(which(you(and(the(others(here(are(engaged.(It(is(
also(correct(to(say(as(you(did(that(the(study(is(not(about(imbeciles(
but(about(an(imbecilic(condition.(
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Kumaraswami:(That(is(why(you(are(here.(We(want(to(hear(it(directly(from(
you.(Since(I(do(use(Advaita(Vedanta(language,(perhaps,(I(suffer(
from(it.(What(do(you(think?(
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Dr.(Theo:(I(don't(if(you(do(or(do(not(and(frankly(speaking(it(does(not(
matter(if(I(do(know(or(not.(That(is(something(for(you(to(intuit(and(to(
deal(with(it.(You(know,(I(have(no(intention(of(calling(the(believers(
and(practitioners(of(religion(imbeciles.(The(book(is(reporting(
observations(of(the(underlying(factors(that(allow(distinctive(cognitive(
disabilities(to(form(through(discursive(thinking,(speaking(and(writing.(
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Kumaraswami:(Is(there(a(test(that(is(administered(to(determine(if(it(is(
present?(
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Dr.(Theo:(No,(there(is(not.(
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Kumaraswami:(Then(how(is(it(detected(or(recognized?(
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Dr.(Theo:(You(see,(the(creation(and(transmission(of(religious(
imaginings(by(generations(of(purveyors(and(believers(has(created(a(
transferable(body(of(self`replicating(delusional(language(and(
discourse.(Both(the(language(and(the(discourse(are(inherited,(passed(on(
and(this(allows(the(formation(of(distinctive(patterns(of(speaking(and(
writing.(These(patterns(when(used(without(careful(examination(and(
repeatedly(applied(by(practitioners,(they(come(to(form(a(distinctive(
syndrome(called(discursive(epistemic(cognitive(amentia(or(DECA.(DECA(is(
the(gradual(appearance(of(cognitive(imbecility(using(discursive(
language(knowledge(in(an(attempt(to(eliminate(discursive(language(
knowledge.(In(other(words,(people(talk(themselves(into(cognitive(
amentia(by(trying(to(talk(themselves(out(of(knowledge(by(unknowingly(
using(the(same(knowledge(that(they(are(trying(to(eliminate.(In(crude(
terms,(they(unknowingly(talk(themselves(into(DECA(and(it(is(readily(
observed(in(their(expressive(speech(and(writing.(
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Kumaraswami:(This(is(a(little(hard(to(follow.(Could(you(explain(it(on(
other(words?(
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Dr.(Theo:(DECA(is(equivalent(to(the(behavior(seen(in(the(attempt(to((
remove(oil(and(grease(stains(by(using(oil(and(grease(and(all(the(while((

assuming,(thinking(or(believing(that(the(stain(is(being(removed,(has((
been(removed(or(is(already(removed.(To(any(non`imbecilic(observer,(
this(is(imbecilic(behavior.(However,(to(the(person(engaged(in(the(
behavior(it(is(not(apparent(at(all(and(when(informed(of(their((
behavior(it(is(usually(denied(and(they(continue(to(do(as(before.((
There(is(no(recognition(of(this(habitual,(conditioned(behavior(and(
this(total(lack(of(recognition(and(subsequent(cognitively(disabling((
behavior(is(DECA.(
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Kumaraswami:(Is(this(condition(harmful?(
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Dr.(Theo:(Generally(speaking,(no(it(is(not(harmful(to(the(practitioners(
and(in(some(cases(serves(a(useful(purpose.(However,(there(is(a(tendency(
among(the(extreme(forms(of(DECA(to(display(mental(rigidity(and(
inflexibility,(emotional(volatility,(intellectual(impairment,(memory(
loss,(incoherent(and(irrational(thought(and(speech(patterns,(paranoia,(
mania,(delusions(of(grandeur,(word(and(concept(fixations,(obsessions(
and(compulsions,(addictive(speech(and(writing(behaviors,(vegetative(
mind(states,(a(wide(variety(of(delusions,(hallucinations,(and(other(
non`normative(mental,(brain(and(intra`psychic(states(and(experiences.(
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Kumaraswami:(How(widespread(do(you(think(DECA(is?(Is(it(rare(or(common?(
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Dr.(Theo:(DECA(is(a(common(condition(among(all(who(are(ignorant(of(the(
nature(of(language(and(discourse(and(its(relation(to(living.(DECA(is(
not(limited(to(religious(practitioners.(Scientists(of(all(kinds,(philosophers,(
theologians(any(one(with(beliefs(in(words(suffer(to(some(degree(from(the(
condition,(more(or(less.(My(focus(has(been(on(those(discoursing(using(
religious(language(and(conceptualizations.(
(
Kumaraswami:(How(does(DECA(occur?(What(is(the(anatomy(of(DECA?(
(
Dr.(Theo:(It(begins(with(taking(words(for(granted.(Words,(spoken(and(
written(and(otherwise(known(and(expressed(are(everywhere(`(around,(in,(
on,(with(`(as(is(the(air(that(we(breathe.(Words(are(the(basic(linguistic(units(
used(in(the(formation,(development,(transmission(and(exchange(of(
knowledge.(Words(are(bases(of(communication(and(communion(among((
humankind(and(the(bases(of(human(thought(process(including(the(construction(
of(meaning(and(experience.(Yet,(little(time(or(energy(is(spent(in(understanding(
precisely(the(formation,(development,(maintenance,(change,(nature,(use,(and(
limitations(of(words.(They(are(used(without(knowing(what(they(are(and(how(they(
function.(
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Kumaraswami:(I(see.(And(since(so(much(religious(knowledge(is(created,(
thought(of,(and(communicated(of(using(the(spoken,(written,(and(thought(
of(word,(it(is(important(to(know(something(of(the(science(of(words...(

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Dr.(Theo:(Yes,(and(a(full(knowledge(of(linguistics(is(unnecessary.(A(
clear(understanding(of(the(basics(is(all(that(is(needed.(
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Kumaraswami:(So(how(does(the(condition(emerge(from(the(ignorance(of(
word(science?(
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Dr.(Theo:(Fundamentally,(a(word(is(spoken,(written(or(symbolic(unit(in(
a(language.(A(word(also(is(a(unit(in(the(lexicon(or(dictionary(of(a(
language.(All(words(are(dependent(on(other(words(for(definition(and/or(
meaning.(Words(cannot(be(used(or(understood(without(using(other(words(
and(so(using(one(word(leads(to(another(in(an(unending(linkage(within(a(
limited(lexicon.(The(limited(lexicon(is(used(to(create(necessarily(limited,((
imagined(worlds(that(are(simultaneously,(more(or(less,(defined,((
mediated(and(experienced(through(words.(What(can(be(conceived,((
created,(and(experienced(is(limited(by(the(words(available(in(the(lexicon.((
The(words,(lexicon,(and(language(of(religions(and(related(teachings(are(
used(to(do(the(same,((`(to(create(limited(worlds(that(are(thought(to(be(
infinite(or(inexplicable.(In(fact,(what(is(created(is(an(imagining(
composed(of(words(and(experiences(mediated(and(described(in(words.(As(
the(words(and(linkages(change,(so(does(the(world(and(experiences(in(it.(
It(is(all(the(work(of(imagination(using(words.(
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Kumaraswami:(Yes(it(is(clear(that(words(themselves(point(to(or(refer(to(
underlying(realities.(This(is(nothing(new(and(this(does(not(explain(
DECA.(Words(point(to(existing(things(and(existence.(How(can(it(be(said(
that(all(is(imagined?(
(
Dr.(Theo:(When(words(are(used(they(are(used(to(point(to(other(words(
within(a(lexicon.(Words(cannot(be(used(to(point(to(any(thing(outside(
the(lexicon(because(there(is(no'thing(outside(the(lexicon(by(default.(
Any(thing(pointed(to(would(have(to(be(another(a(word.(For(example,(God(
is(a(word(that(has(an(enormous(chain(of(related(words,(meanings(and(
word(mediated(human(experiences(tied(to(it(in(all(the(ways(that(are(
done.(To(say("There(is(no(God"(is(denying(that(the(word(God(and(its(
complex(of(words,(meanings(and(experiences(is(not.(This(is(not(possible(
to(do(for(the(word(God(is(there(`(spoken,(written,(symbolized,(used,(`(
with(all(the(related(words,(meanings(and(experiences(attached(to(it.(To(
deny(the(word(God(and(its(enormous(body(of(words,(meanings(and(
experiences(is(a(symptom(of(DECA.(Also(to(believe(that(there(is(an(
indescribable(God(beyond(the(word(God(and(the(chain(of(meanings(and(
experiences(derived(from(the(words(is(equally(a(sign(of(DECA.(There(is(
no(thing(beyond(words.("Beyond(words"(are(words(and(any(attempt(to(
explain(what(is(beyond(words(ends(up(with(more(words.(To(seriously(
assume,(think,(imagine,(or(believe(that(words(can(be(used(to(point(to(
some(thing(beyond(the(words(and(its(related(meanings(and(experiences(

derived(and(generated(from(the(use(of(those(word(is(an(erroneous(
understanding(of(words(and(language(use.(This(erroneous(understanding(
is(the(base(condition(underlying(DECA.(It(is(a(cognitive(error(to(believe(that(a(
word(points(to(something(beyond(the(word(itself,(words(themselves(or(the(lexicon.(
(
Kumaraswami:(How(can(you(say(this?(Are(you(outside(of(the(lexicon(and(
privileged(to(see(this?(
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Dr.(Theo:(As(long(as(I(speak(or(write(or(symbolize(in(words,(I(am(within(the(
limits(of(the(conceived(and(imagined(worlds(of(my(making(and(that(are(
made(from(the(lexicon(that(is(available(to(me.(It(can(be(said,(because(
it(can(be(imagined.(To(think,(speak,(write(or(symbolize(in(words(is(the(
limiting(factor.(Attempting(to(go(beyond(this(limit(only(results(in(
word(chains(trailing(and(or(leading.(You(can(realize(this(by(gradually(
coming(to(fail(completely(in(the(effort(to(go(beyond(words(and(the(lexicon(
or(it(can(be(realized(instantaneously.(Every(question(about(and(every(
effort(to(experience(beyond(words(brings(words(to(use(to(go(beyond(words.(
It(simply(cannot(be(done.(It(is(a(futile(effort(as(is(removing(oil(and(grease(
stains(with(oil(and(grease.(This(is(the(core(of(DECA.(The(condition(of(
trying(to(breach(an(insurmountable(limit(by(using(the(insurmountable(
limit.(The(continued(attempt(or(the(imagination(that(it(has(been(done(
is(a(symptom(of(DECA,(cognitive(imbecility.(
(
Kumaraswami:(I(am(not(convinced(that(what(you(are(saying(is(valid.(
There(are(things(beyond(words.(One(can(sense(it(or(be(that(which(is(
beyond(words.(There(is(existence(and(consciousness,(being(and(
awareness.(You(cannot(doubt(it.(
(
Dr.(Theo:(It(can(be(accepted,(doubted,(entirely(disregarded,(argued(and(
debated(over(and(so(on.(They(are(just(words.(They(are(units(used(to(
tautologically(select(and(create(the(experience(they(refer(to(from(the(
appearances(that(forcefully(or(weakly(impress(themselves(upon(us.(For(
example,(words(are(used(to(create(the(concepts(of(awareness,(
consciousness,(God,(the(Self,(Purusaha,(Nirguna(Brahaman,(No(Self,(the(
Silence(Beyond,(This,(I(Am,(Love,(ego,(Maya,(illusion,(delusion,(dream(
and(so(forth(and(simultaneously(experiences(begin(to(gradually(or(more(
quickly(or(even(instantaneously(form(according(to(each(formulation(of(
these(word`concepts(and(the(attendant(meanings.(Believing(that(these(
words(and(the(imagination(generated(experiences(are(somehow(beyond(the(
words(themselves(and(their(mediating(effects(could(be(considered(a(sign(
of(the(presence(of(DECA;("it,"("that,"("existence,'consciousness,"(
"being,'awareness"(are(all(words(with(related(words,(meanings(and(
mediated(experiences(attached(to(them.(Now(if(I(ask(you(what(is("it"(
that(is(sensed(or("that"(that(one(becomes,(or(what(is("existence,("(
"consciousness,"("being,("(awareness"(or("what"(lies(behind(or(beyond(
these,(more(words(are(used.(There(is(no(escape.(Using(one(word(begets(

another,(in(thought,(speech,(writing,(and(symbolizing.(The'attempt'to'escape'words'
with'words'is'a'prominent'symptom'of'DECA.'
(
Kumaraswami:(So(are(you(saying(that(all(of(human(experience(is(imagined?(
(
Dr.(Theo:(Yes,(how(else(could(it(be?(
(
Kumaraswami:(We(say(there(is(an(Absolute(that(is(all.(You(and(all(of(
what(is(experienced(has(its(origin(and(being(in(the(Absolute.(Can(your(
existence(and(the(existence(of(phenomena(be(doubted?(
(
Dr.(Theo:(Kumaraswami,(you(are(asking(the(same(question(that(was(
already(answered(above.(Let(me(assume(that(the(Absolute(is(all.(I(agree(
with(you.(Now(what(is(left(to(say?(No(thing.(Why?(Is(it(because(there(
is(an(Absolute(beyond(the(word(itself?(No.(I(agreed(and(so(there(is(no(
thing(more(to(say.(The(word(Absolute(is(a(word(used(to(absorb(all(
lexicons(into(one(word,(the'Absolute,(and(thereby(rendering(all(other(
words(mute(by(defining(the'Absolute(as(attributeless(or(Nir(or(
inexplicable(or(ineffable(or(by(what(it(is(not,(more(words.(It(
nonetheless(is(a(word.(It(is(a(single(word(that(is(made(to(contain(all(
words(and(all(words(are(said(to(have(their(existence(and(emergence(in(
this(one(word.(It(is(a(simple(word(that(is(used(by(speakers(to(render(all(
other(words(subordinate(or(mute(before(it.(Pure(objectless(awareness(is(
of(the(same(ilk(as(well(as(Divine(Darkness(or(Sunyata.(By(definition(
these(words(render(speakers(and(the(lexicon(mute(while(at(the(same(
being(the(source(of(endless(discourse(since(the(lexical(items(contained(
in(the(embargoed(lexicon(contained(within(that(word(unavoidably(leak(
out(and(this(leaking(of(words(are(then(explained(and(so(there(is(
endless(discursive(thinking,(speaking,(writing(about(these(leaks(of(
words(in(relation(to(the(Absolute.(These(sorts(of(words(are(clever(
linguistic(devices(and(frames(of(meaning.(These(frames(of(meaning(are(
used(in(directing(and(channeling(the(experience(as(well(as(expressing(
the(channeled(experience(in(words.(As(you(imagine(so(you(experience.(
(
Kumaraswami:(So(what(of(the(experiences,(the(samadhis?(These(are(not(
imagined(they(in(fact(happen.(
(
Dr.(Theo:(Yes,(they(happen(and(that(does(not(change(that(all(experiences(
are(isolated(and(imagined(from(the(vast(flow(of(appearances.(Experiences(
are(word(mediated(imaginings(and,(when(thought(of(and(expressed,(are(
worded(descriptions;(words(are(used(to(order(and(describe(other(words.(
Words(and(all(the(related(words(and(meanings,(implicitly(and(explicitly(
used,(provide(the(channel(for(experiences(to(be(formed.(One(can(have((
whatever(experience(desired(by(creating(the(frame(or(channel(to(enter(
that(experience(and(then(to(describe(it(later.(Otherwise,(there(is(no((
experience(per(se.((

For(example,(the(English(language(has(no(word(equivalent(to(the(word(
"chong"(found(in(the(Korean(language.(Also(not(available(are(all(the(
words(and(meanings(chaining(with("chong"(as(well(as(the(behaviors(
associated(and(emerging(from(the(inheritance,(identification,(belief(
in,(enactment(of("chong"(in(daily(life.(Koreans(speak(of("chong,"(have(
"chong,"(display("chong"(or(not.(Native(Koreans(familiar(with(American(
behavior(patterns(say(that(Americans(lack(it,(that(they(do(not(or(
cannot(understand(it,(display(it(or(describe(it.(American(search(
futilely(for(the(equivalent(by(composing(sets(of(words(that(seem(to(
approximate("chong"(but(these(compositions(are(rejected(by(Koreans.(
Koreans(reject(their(own(compositions(as(well.(And(how(could(the(
American(do(so,(since(it(is(not(in(the(English(lexicon(and(is(therefore(
not(inherited,(or(conceived(and(therefore(is(unidentifiable,(
unbelievable,(non`existent(and(not(enacted(and,(therefore,(cannot(be((
described.(It(is(foreign.(Here(is(a(great(source(of(cultural(differences(in(
thought(and(behavior.(In(reverse,(American(and(European(psychological(
theory(is(being(revised(using(relevant(Korean(terminology(to(replace((
those(thatdo(not(resonate(in(any(way(with(the(Korean(psyche(and(
experience.(
(
Kumaraswami:(So(who(or(what(is(undergoing(the(experience?(
(
Dr.(Theo:(Whomever(or(whatever(you(imagine(and(described(in(words.(It(
depends.(All(words(are(associated(with(other(words,(meanings(and(
experiences(and(these(associations(and(their(infinite(permutations(make(
words(and(their(meanings(and(associated(experiences(indexical.(
Indexicality(is(another(attribute(of(words(worth(knowing.(Those(words(
are(indexical(and(can(mean(many(different(things(depending(on(the(
speaker(and(context.(A(speaker(can(say("I(exist"(and("I(am(being(and(
awareness,"(but(what(do(these(words(actually(mean?(What(is(that(
experience(like(for(the(speaker?(In(fact,(it(means(whatever(it(means(to(
the(speaker(and(it(is(utterly(private.(Such(personal(experience(is(only(available(
through(imagining(what(it(is(the(speaker(means(when(communicating(the(
words(of(it(and(what(it(means(to(the(speaker.(One(can(agree(or(identify(
with(what(the(speaker(describes,(as(if(it(is(the(same(in(experience(of(
the(listener.(Or(the(listener(can(disagree(with,(doubt(it(or(ignore(it(
or(some(other(response.(Dialogic(agreement(is(nothing(more(than(
agreeing(to(accept(the(words(as(imagined,(defined(or(described.(
Dialogic(disagreement(is(the(opposite(of(that(and(there(are(all(kinds(
of(ways(of(treating(and(using(words(and(concepts(both(spoken(and(
written.(It(simply(treating(and(using(words(as(this(or(that,(having(
this(or(that(meaning(and(sense.(Who(or(what(is(always(indexical,(that(
is,(the(meaning(and(description(of(meaning(and(sense(of(who(or(what(is(
dependent(on(the(speaker(and(context(of(speaking(in(a(dialogic(manner.(
It(is(imagined(regardless(as(to(how(it(is(used.(
(

Kumaraswami:(You(are(denying(existence(by(saying(that(all(is(imagined.(
Are(you(a(nihilist(and(is(this(not(nihilism(in(linguistic(garb?(
(
Dr.(Theo:(No,(Kumaraswami(that(is(your(inference(from(and(your(
understanding(of(the(word(imagination(and(its(relation(to(your(
religious(lexicon(that(includes(reality(and(illusion,(snake(and(rope,(
Absolute(and(Maya.(That(is(your(concern(with(the(Absolute(being(said(to(
be(imagined.(Imagination,(as(I(use(the(word,(has(nothing(to(with(
factuality.(Imagining(means(to(form(in(the(mind(a(notion(or(idea,(a(
mental(image,(to(conceive(of(something.(This(has(nothing(to(do(with(
positing(non`existence.(As(far(as(the(lexicon(goes(think(of(it(this(
way:(Affirmation(and(negation(of(words(do(not(make(words(exist(or(not(
exist.(These(are(merely(word(treatments.(For(example,(the(word(
non`existence(is(the(negation(of(the(word(existence.(And(by(definition(
the(word(existence(negates(the(word(non`existence.(Both(words(remain(
side(by(side(in(the(lexicon.(Both(words(and(concepts(are.(Affirming(or((
denying(either,(both(or(neither(over(another(is(treating(words(and((
nothing(more.(Believing(one(word(to(exist(and(the(other(not(is(a((
symptom(of(DECA.(Existence(and(non`existence(are(only(words((
pointing(to(other(words.(
(
Kumaraswami:(And(what(of(perceptions(and(sensations(of(the(body(and(
experience(of(matter?(Are(these(imagined?(Can(you(really(say(that(it(is(
all(imagined?(If(a(car(hits(the(body(there(is(great(pain(experienced(
and(visible(physical(damage(to(both(the(body(and(the(car.(Can(you(pass(
through(a(concrete(wall?(Are(these(all(imagined?(
(
Dr.(Theo:(Yes.(What(you(have(asked(is(an(imagining.(All(is(imagined.(As(
long(as(words(and(all(that(is(attached(and(chained(to(words(are(
incorporated(in(any(form,(implicity(or(explicity,(imagination(operates.(
It(cannot(be(avoided.(So(the(very(question(you(ask(is(based(on(your(
assumptions(and(conceptualization(of(a(physical(reality(that(is(
experienced(through(perceptions(and(sensations.(All(of(these(are(word(
compositions(and(descriptions(trying(to(explain(other(word(compositions(
and(descriptions.(None(of(this(denies(nor(affirms(what(is(imagined.(The(
description(and(report(of(a(car(accident(or(an(attempt(to(pass(through(
a(concrete(wall(is(simply(a(description(and(it(may(be(described(in(as(
many(different(ways(as(can(imagined.(Some(would(say(there(is(no(wall(or(
body(and(that(that(is(an(illusion(hard(seen(through.(Others(will(say,(
"Damn(right(it(is(wall.(Just(try,(to(run(through(it(and(you(will(meet(
reality."(A(physicist(studying(quantum(phenomena(will(provide(a(
different(imagining,(saying(at(the(quantum(level(there(is(no(solidity.(
It(makes(no(difference(what(the(imagining(is.(They(are(all(possible(and(
each(is(used(as(it(goes.(It(is(all(words(arranged(to(convey(sense(and(
meaning(and(to(order(these(meanings(to(frame,(form(and(describe(
experiences(and(memories,(thoughts(and(so(on.(Both(the(sense(and(belief(

that(there(is(some(thing(beyond(words(is(the(core(of(DECA.(
(
Kumaraswami:(It(seems(to(me(you(are(also(caught(in(a(web(of(words.(Is(
that(not(so?(DECA(is(simply(your(imagination(at(work.(
(
Dr.(Theo:(Yes.(Indeed(it(is.(As(I(said(above,(as(long(as(I(speak(or(
write(or(symbolize(I(am(within(the(limits(of(the(conceived(and(imagined(
worlds(of(my(making(and(those(possibly(made(from(all(other(lexicons(
available.(And(caught(is(not(the(word(I(would(use.(I(would(say(that(I(
am(free(in(the(web(of(words(to(imagine(freely(any(thing(that(is(of(
interest.(DECA(is(an(imagined(syndrome.(I(imagined(it,(created(it(as(
you(re`create(the(Absolute.(
(
Kumaraswami:(Why(did(you(imagine(it?(
(
Dr.(Theo:(No(particular(reason(or(purpose.(Just(a(spontaneous(lark(of(
imagining(about(something(that(I(wondered(about(and(that(has(ended(with(
the(writing(of(the(book.(My(interest(now(is(to(explore(wordless(behavior((
like(home(alone(dancing.(
(
Kumaraswami:(I(see.(Well,(it(has(been(a(pleasure(to(dialogue(with(you(
and(good(luck(on(your(new(interest.(Namaste.(
(
Dr.(Theo:(Thank(you.(