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leaks, or less often, to a failure of the internal tank bladder itself - a component that may
be replaceable.
If the water-containing rubber bladder in a "captive air" water tank is defective (it
can become stuck to itself and remain collapsed), the result can be a rapid on-off short
cycling of the water pump. We test water pressure tanks to see if they're empty or
nearly empty of water by seeing if we can gently rock or move the tank.
If the water tank is heavy with water it does not move easily. Be careful not to jiggle
and break a pipe!
Water pressure tanks, their different types, how to identify them, and their repairs are
described just above and in more detail at WATER TANK TYPES.
At What Goes Wrong with an Internal-Bladder type Water Tank? we discuss the
combination of well pump short cycling and a burst water tank bladder.
Bladderless Steel Water Pressure Tanks (photo at left and sketch just below) use a
single steel tank interior to hold both the air charge and the water supply.
Modern steel bladderless type water tanks may be coated internally to increase the
water tank life by resisting corrosion. That's what "glass lined" refers to on some water
tanks. (A "glass lined" or "epoxy coated" water tank will not be a bladder type water tank
which we discussed above.)
Bladderless water pressure tanks, because the air charge and water are in the same
container, can lose their air charge over time (air is absorbed into the water) and may
need air added.
See WATER TANK AIR, HOW TO ADD for details.
Bladderless Fiberglass Water Pressure Tanks, such as the WellMate traditional
hydro-pneumatic water tank operate similar to the steel water pressure tank, but
incorporate a tank-top mounted air volume control and offer the advantage (over steel
water tanks) of no risk of rust perforation and leak at the water tank.
At WATER TANK CAPTIVE AIR vs TRADITIONAL WellMate we provide separate water
tank diagnosis and repair advice for this water tank type.
Bladderless Fiberglass Water Pressure Tanks, such as the WellMate traditional
hydro-pneumatic water tank operate similar to the steel water pressure tank, that is, no
internal bladder is used to maintain and separate the tank's air charge and water charge
pressure. These tanks incorporate a tank-top mounted air volume control and offer the
advantage (over steel water tanks) of no risk of rust perforation and leak at the water
tank.
At WellMate Diagnosis we provide separate water tank diagnosis and repair advice for
this water tank type.
At OLDER STEEL TANKS - Bladder-less Traditional Steel Water Pressure & Water
Storage Tanks we discuss this water tank type in detail.
3. Pinhole water tank bladder leak: if the tank's internal bladder has not burst but has
a small leak the tank air pressure will (or might) increase above standard air charge
pressure as water accumulates in the air space, also leading to pump short cycling and
an apparent water-logged pressure tank even though only air comes out of the tank top
air valve. Details are below at PINHOLE LEAKS in WATER TANK BLADDER
Why don't we just look at the water tank pressure gauge to see if there is water in
the tank? Well we do. But because debris or other failures can cause a water tank
pressure gauge to read pressure even when there is none in the tank (the gauge can
get "stuck"), we don't rely on just tank gauge readings. For more about water tank
pressure gauges,
see WATER PRESSURE GAUGE ACCURACY and
see WATER TANK BLADDER PRESSURE ADJUSTMENT.
If the water tank is empty or nearly so, then water is not entering the tank. If the
water pump runs but no water is entering the tank, the problem could be a collapsed
bladder that is stuck onto itself, not admitting water. There could also be another
problem such as a defective water pump, a well line leak, or other cause for water not
entering the tank - so you may need to also
see WATER PRESSURE LOSS DIAGNOSIS & REPAIR.
If the water tank is "full" or nearly so, then if there is still no water pressure, the tank
bladder could be also burst but the tank may have lost its air charge (over time air is
absorbed into the water - the burst-bladder water tank is acting like a bladderless water
tank discussed just above). In this case you might observe that the well pump (or pump
control) is switching rapidly on and off when water is run in the building see WATER PUMP SHORT CYCLING.
Bladder type or captive-air water pressure tanks and their repairs are described just
above and in more detail
at WATER TANK TYPES.
If water comes squirting out of the tank top air valve, the captive-air bladder
type water tank has burst or become torn or leaky, and repair is needed.
Thanks to reader Steven Prior for the photo (above left) showing water coming
out of the air charge valve on a water tank. Most (not all) water pressure tank
models using a bladder isolate water inside the bladder - meaning that water
coming out of the air valve shows a burst bladder.
Note: Usually in a bladder-type water pressure tank the water is in the bladder
and the air is in the tank outside the bladder. There are a few bladder-type water
tank models in which this design is reversed - water is in the tank and air is in the
bladder - more likely with fiberglass tanks.
A second symptom of burst water tank bladder: if air is found squirting out
of plumbing fixtures it's possible that the cause is a burst bladder in the water
tank; the tank's air charge is being forced out into the building plumbing system.
This symptom won't normally continue once any excess air in the pressure tank
has been lost - but the problem may remain, showing up as pump short cycling.
A third symptom of burst water tank bladder: if the water tank is full or nearly
so and you are unable to drain water out of the tank, a burst bladder may be
blocking the tank at its bottom. A burst water tank bladder can collapse at the
water tank bottom, preventing water from leaving the tank. The result is no water
pressure in the building and perhaps an inability to drain water from the water
tank itself.
At WellMate Diagnosis we provide separate water tank diagnosis and repair advice for
captive-air water tanks in which the air is in the bladder and the water is outside the
bladder in the water tank.
Thanks to Jeff Garmel for suggesting text clarification in this discussion of water pressure tank diagnosis.
Shorter water pressure tank draw-down cycle than normal, with smaller
quantity of water delivered before the pump turns on - water pump short cycling
Water tank pressure measured at the air gauge or schrader valve on the tank
top will creep up to above normal levels. Bleeding air out from the tank top will
prove a short remedy and pressure will creep up again. The rate of pressure
increase measured at the tank's air valve will depend on the size of the leak out
of the bladder and the quantity of water used in the building, thus the number of
pump on-off cycles per day.
Unlike the "burst bladder" case described above, in the case of a pin holed
bladder leak, air can be released from the water tank's top mounted air valve, but
no water will exit at this point if the tank remains upright - at least not until the
tank is 100% saturated.
With the pump turned off and water pressure drained from the system, the
water pressure tank will be abnormally "heavy" due to the presence of water in
the air space in the tank.
A case history provided by a reader details the diagnosis of a pinhole tank bladder leak
in the FAQs section of this article.
I feel it has something to do with that outside faucet. It is not attached to the house, as it
is a frost proof faucet 50 feet from the well near a plant bed which is 50 feet from the
house. Is it possible that the outside faucet is creating a pressure issue? Thanks again.
Reply:
Undaunted by the warning not to speak beyond one's competence I note this as a
working note not an answer: the water pressure control switch companies tell us to
install the switch as close to the pressure tank as possible. Readers have wondered
what difference it makes - thinking that water, not very compressible, should transmit
system pressure uniformly through the system regardless. I haven't yet found the
reason for the "close to" advice but your report might be a clue.
What if, for example, a check valve on the house side is preventing the water pressure
drop in the outside faucet line from being transmitted to the control.
I need a schematic: what are the relative locations of
though out the house. If the faucet is off the 'main line' from the well to the house, how
would that even work?
Reply & Reader Comments:
Well it's nice and neat but I've become still more brain damaged trying to figure this out.
Let's see if we can just write down the sequence of connections or figure out the piping
by some tests.
Tell me what's incorrect in the following:
1. Your actual pump is in the well - a deep well pump, either a submersible or a 2 line jet
pump (as I don't see "pump" in the aboveground components list)
Correct. A deep well pump. (maybe 200+ feet, with excellent flow)
2. The pressure tank and switch that control the pump are remote from the well,
presumably indoors
Correct. Yes the tank and switch are in the basement approximately 100 feet from the
well
3. The pressure tank supplies water to the building through a water filter and iron filter
Correct. The water enters the house through the wall of the basement right at the
tank/stitch.
4. We are not sure how water is delivered to the remote outside faucet
Correct. It is between the pump and tank in the lawn.
4.1. look indoors for a shutoff between pressure tank and outdoor piping that you can
confirm (by closing it) shuts off the outdoor faucet
There is a shut off valve right at the tank for controlling flow to the house. If I shut that
off and water still comes from the faucet it must bypass the tank. I will try that over the
weekend.
4.2 If there is none then possibly in an odd piping arrangement the outdoor faucet is
floated on the line between pressure tank and well
This is possible. I can determine by shutting off the in-flow valve to the house. I will try
that over the weekend.
If 4.2 is correct then if there is a check valve near the pressure tank, that would make
the pressurized water flow just "one way" from well into tank and on to building. If this
were the case then if the pump is not running (pressure switch says it's at cutoff
pressure or pressure has not fallen to cut-in pressure) you will see only a brief burst of
water at the faucet (from what's in the piping) before flow will drop to zero.
But flow should continue again if enough water is run in the house to cause the pump to
turn on.
If this is the case it's a troubling set-up.
Reader follow-up:
I believe there is a check valve right as the well pipe comes into the house just before
the tank. It looks kind of like the attached image, except longer and more rectangular in
shape. This sounds like the possible culprit. If the faucet floats between well and tank
and there is a check valve preventing back flow, where does the pressure come to force
the water from the outside faucet? Could the check valve need replacing?
Reply:
all of item 4 makes me suspect the faucet is on the well line between well and house.
That would have worked in the past if there were no check valve in the house, just in the
well (which is a common design).
But if someone replaced parts, added a check valve in the house (say because the foot
valve in the well was losing prime) that would or could result in the snafu you describe
currently.
If you get no water at the faucet and then do get water when use of water in the house
causes the pump to turn on, that'd be confirming.
Reader follow-up:
Ill do that check over the weekend. If it looks like the faucet is floated between the well
and pump, should the check valve be removed? Just wondering what the fix might be.
Reply:
Removing the check valve at the pump will probably let the faucet work again, but if the
check valve was added to counteract a failed footvalve in the well you'll find that the
system loses prime.
Still, going back to your initial remarks, you have water running "full bore" for several
minutes, then pressure drops down, then pressure stops entirely, then after a "rest" the
pump and pressure appear to recover. To me this sounds like a debris-clogged pressure
control switch, with the effects showing up more severely at an outdoor faucet floated
on the line between well and pressure tank. That's because the volume of water in the
well piping would not be likely to be enough to give 4-5 minutes of water at the outdoor
faucet.
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