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DebateonChristianity
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EditorsNote:
ThisisthecompletetextofthedebateonChristianitybetween
JonasDeGeerandGregJohnsoninStockholmonApril18,2015.
DeGeersopeningstatementisreprintedfromhere[2].Johnsons
isreprintedfromhere[3].Therestofthetextisatranscriptby
V.S.fromtheYouTubeaudioofthedebatehere[4].
OpeningStatementbyJonasDeGeer
IsastrongChristianidentityanecessaryconditionforthe
futureculturalandpoliticallifeoftheEuropeanpeoples?
IshallforthepurposeofthisdiscussionfocusonthesociologicalbenefitsofChristianityto
oursocietiesingeneralandthenationalistresistanceinparticular.Thisisnotbeunderstood
asthoughIhaveafunctionalistapproachtotheFaithorwouldreduceittosomesortof
psychopoliticaltool.
AlsowhenIrefertoEuropeanorEuropeansIincludetheEuropeandescendedin
America,Australia,SouthAfrica,etc.
ThereisnodoubtwhatsoeverthattheChurchesoftoday,atleastinthewesternworld,with
nosignificantexception,areinamostpitifulstate.Theyhavebecomeintellectuallyand
spirituallydeformedbeyondrecognitionbythatmentalviruswecallpoliticalcorrectnessby
theirimbecile,pathologicalurgetofindaplacewithinamodernparadigminherentlyand
fundamentallyhostiletoChristianity.
NotleastthemodernCatholicChurch.TheCatholicChurchhastheologicaland
ecclesiologicalissuesasidewithoutcomparisonbeenthemaincultural,intellectualand
politicalforceinChristianity(bytheway,notlongago,incivilizedtimes,Christianitywas
synonymouswiththeWesternWorldortheWhiteWorld).

InthewordsofT.S.Eliot,whowasnotaCatholic:
WhenweconsidertheWesternWorld,wemustrecognizethatthemainculturaltradition
hasbeenthatcorrespondingtotheChurchofRome.Onlywithinthelastfourhundred
yearshasanyothermanifesteditselfandanyonewithasenseofcentreandperiphery
mustadmitthatthewesterntraditionhasbeenLatin,andLatinmeansRome.
Itisanindisputable,butinnationalistcirclesoftenlittleunderstood,factofhistorythatthe
implosionoftheCatholicChurchissimultaneouswith,orindeedjustprecedesthemoral,
socialandethnicselfdestructionoftheEuropeanWorld.Thisisnocoincidence.
TheCatholicChurchwasinmanywaysdestroyedintheearly1960s,withtheSecondVatican
Council,achurchmeetingunderthePopesauspices,attendedbyallthebishopsofthe
World,heldintheVatican19621965.Thisdidnotcomeasacompletesurpriseto
knowledgeableCatholics.InfactthehistoryoftheChurchduringthe1800sandearly1900s
wasverymuchaboutfightingofattemptsatinfiltrationoftheChurchHierarchybyJewish
andMasonicforces,andtheideologiestheypromoted:modernismandliberalism.
Thereisavastliteraturefromthe19thcentury,mainlyinFrench,butalsoinEnglish,about
thisconspiracyagainsttheChurch,anditiswelldocumentedstuff,notfancifulspeculation.
NeverthelesstheConspiracyeventuallytriumphedintheearly1960s,which,giventhe
influenceoftheCatholicChurch,haddisastrousculturalandsocialconsequencesforallof
WesternCivilisation,indirectlyalsoforthosepartsthatwerepredominantlyProtestant.
ItisimmediatelyaftertheSecondVaticanCouncilthattheculturalrevolution,thesocalled
sexualrevolution,divorceonalargescale,institutionalizedabortion,massimmigration,
proclamationsofmulticulturalsocieties,etc.,etc.,areintroduced,withfullforce,sincethe
lastbulwarkofEuropeanintegritytheChurchhadjustbeeneliminatedbythepowers
thatbe.NowthefloodgateswereopenedwideandtheEuropeanpopulationcouldbereduced
toamassofdegenerate,braindeadconsumers.
Itallhappenedsoamazinglyfast.Notenyearsinthehistoryofourcivilizationhaveseen
suchdrasticsocialandmoralchangeasthosebetween1965and75.
Oneverytellingexampleofwhathashappenedsincethereshaping/destructionoftheChurch
ishowHollywoodcouldabandontheMPPC(MotionPictureProductionCode)orHayscode.
AfterhavingbeenthreatenedbyboycottfromAmericanCatholics,themajorfilmstudioshad
grudginglyadoptedamoralcodeforfilmproductionintheearly1930s,whichstatedthat
therewastobenoridiculingoftheclergy,nofoullanguageornudity,butalsono
miscegenationonthescreen.Thissystemwasinuseuntil1968whenitwasdeemed
obsolete.Ofcourseitwasthenneededmorethanever,andeversincetheJewishfilmstudios

havehadagreenlighttobombardgenerationsofhaplesswesternerswithallsortsof
propagandaandallkindsoffilth.Perverselyenough,generationsofwesternershaveenjoyed
thispsychologicalwarfareagainstthemasentertainment,theeffectsofwhichcanhardlybe
overestimated.
ItistruethattheChurchasinstitution,asithasbeenknownforcenturies,wellovera
millennium,hasbeenhijackedbyitsenemies,butitisnotdead,itcannotdie,itstradition,
thedepositofFaithareintact,theapostolicsuccessionunbroken.
ItisalsotruethattheEuropeanWorldasawholeisbecomingmoreandmoresecularized.
Sure,butthatispartofourprogrammedselfdestruction.
Inthelongrun,nopeoplecansurvivewithoutreligion,andaviablereligioncanneverbe
constructed.Itcanbemanmade,ofcourse,butnevercontrivedinordertosuitapolitical
agenda.
Theattemptsthathavebeenmadeatcreatingnewreligionsorrecreateoldonesincertain
nationalistcircleshavebeenhopelesslyfutile,toputitmildly.
AnotherimportantthinghereisthatwetodayfindourselvesinasituationwhereEurope
insanelyhasimportedtensofmillionsofMuslims,whoinmostcasestaketheirreligionquite
seriously.Regardlessofwhatonethinksaboutthe911andCharlieHebdoepisodes,and
althoughitistruethatthearchitectsofmulticulturalismhavebeenmainlyJews,hardlyany
Muslims,theMuslimcolonizationisnonethelessatickingbomb.Whatmostsecularized
westernersdonotunderstandisthatbothMuslimsandJewsstillregardusasChristians,
albeitdecadentChristiansthathavelosttheirFaithandthroughthattheirmorale.They
don`tthinkforamomentthatChristianitymadeusweak,infacttheyknowitisquitethe
opposite,thatwearepatheticallyweakwithoutFaith,withouttraditionalmoralsandvalues.
ThisisoneofthereasonsorganizedJewryhasdoneitsutmosttounderminetheChurchfor
centuries.That,andofcourseaveryold,verydeeprunninghatredofChristandHisChurch.
PeoplewillnotfightanddieforsomenotionofhavingapreciousDNA,orsomenationalist
interpretationofsociobiology.Youcanonlyresistthosefueledbyreligiousfervorwith
religiousfervor,withFaiththisisastruetodayasitwasatPoitiers,MaltaorLepanto.
SoitmakesverymuchsensetotapintothereligiousTraditionoftheWest,aTraditionthat,
inspiteofwhathashappenedtotheestablishedchurchesduringthepastfiftyyears,isstill
unbrokenandalive.
AlsoforthosewhodonothaveapersonalbeliefinGod,itwouldcertainlybewiseand
wholesometo,ifnotembracetheFaith,atleastacknowledgethefundamental,vitalrolethat
Christianityhasplayedinourhistory,inmoldingourmentalityandourvaluesthroughoutthe
centuries,torediscoverthatTraditional,ChristianEuropeanculturefromwhich,bynow,

severalgenerationshavebeenalienated.
EuropeistheFaith,theFaithisEurope,asBellocfamouslyputit.Thisistruerthanever.The
implosionoftheCatholicChurchanditsindirecteffectsonallofwesterncultureinthe
early/midsixtieslefttheEuropeanworlddefenseless,andsincethenithasbeenrapidly
dissolvingmorally,intellectually,sociallyandethnically.
Thereare,ofcourse,otherfactorsbehindthisuniversaltragedy,butthisisthemost
importantone.
Ifwearetorebuildourcivilizationinoneformoranotherweneedtoreconnectwithitsroots.
IfthefuturewillnotbebasedinwesternTradition,towhichChristianityisessential,there
probablywillbenofutureforwesternman.
OpeningStatementbyGregJohnson
[5]WhatistherelationshipofChristianityandEuropean

identity?IdonotsayWesternCivilization,becauseI
wishtospeakofthewholeofEurope,EastandWest,
andthewholeofEuropeanhistoryandprehistory,not
justthecivilizedbits.
Therearetwoperspectiveswecantakeonthis
question.Onelooksbackathistory.Theotherlooks
forwardtothefuture.
Lookingbackathistory,weseethatChristianityplayed
animportantroleinEuropeformorethan1700years.
Itmighthavebeenotherwise.Manywishitwereotherwise.Itmightbedifferentinthe
future.ButeveniftherecomesadayinwhichEuropeisnolongerChristian,therewillnever
comeadaywhenEuropehasneverbeenChristian.Inthatsense,Christianitywillalwaysbe
partofEuropeanidentity.JustaspreChristianreligionsandculturesstretchingalltheway
backtothelastIceAgewillalsoalwaysbepartofEuropeanidentity.
ButalthoughtherewasatimewhenEuropewasChristian,ChristianitywasneverEuropean.I
amnotreferringtotheJewishoriginsofChristianity,althoughthatshouldneverbe
forgotten.Fromthestart,though,ChristianitywasasHellenicasitwasJewish.Moreover,it
defineditselfincontradistinctiontoJudaism,justasJudaismhasdefineditselfinopposition
toChristianity.
WhatmakesChristianityessentiallynonEuropeanarethedoctrinesitshareswiththeancient
GreeksandRomans,andnotwiththeJews,namelytheideathatauniversaltruthisthe

foundationofauniversalcommunityifChristianityistrueforallmen,thenitisauniversal
religion,notanethnicreligion.Becauseofitsnatureasauniversalreligion,Christianityisnot
tiedtoanyparticularraceorpeople.Christendomisnotandneverhasbeencoextensive
withEurope.EuropeanfolkbelievedinChristianity,butChristianitywasneveraEuropean
folkreligion.ManyEuropeansbelieveinthecauseofChristianity,butChristianityhasnever
believedinthecauseofEurope.FortheChristiancauseisthesalvationofallmankind.
DefendersofbothEuropeandChristianitypointtothefactthat,inthepast,theChurch
supportedthedefenseofEuropefromIslam.ButtheChurchwasdefendingEuropeonly
incidentally.WhatshewasreallydefendingwasChristendom,whichatthetimewascentered
inEurope,buteventhenextendedintoEthiopia,theMiddleEast,andasfarawayasChina.
AndtheChurchhasalwaysbeenwillingtoshedEuropeanbloodtodefendandextend
Christendom,fromtheCrusadestoliberatetheHolyLandontocenturiesofglobalmissionary
workthatcontinuestothisday.FarfrombeinganexampleoftheharmonyofChristianity
andtheethnicgeneticinterestsofEuropeans,theCrusadesareanexampleofhowthe
ChurchledEuropeanstoshedtheirbloodtorecouplostChristianterritoriesintheMiddle
East.
Letusnowlooktothefuture.Ifpresenttrendsarenotreversed,Europeanmanwillceaseto
exist.IdonotfearfortheartifactsofEuropeancivilization,sinceBachandRembrandtwould
continuetobeprizedbyJewsandOrientals.Ifearfortheracethatcreatedtheseglories,and
cancreatenewglories.Ourraceisfacingsimplebiologicalextinction[6]duetobelow
replacementfertility,miscegenation,andthelossofourhomelandstononwhiteinvaders.If
Europeanmanistosurvive,wemustexcludeallnonwhitesfromourhomelandsandadopt
policiesthatcauseourbirthratestorise,particularlythebirthratesofthegeneticallybest
endowed.Inshort,weneedWhiteNationalismwithpronatalpolicies,preferablyeugenic
ones.
IsChristianitylikelytohelportohinderWhiteNationalistsinpreventingthebiological
extinctionofourrace?Toanswerthisquestion,wemustfirstlookattheactualbehaviorof
theexistingchurches.AllofthemainstreamChristiandenominationsareopposedtoWhite
Nationalistpolicies.Instead,theyprovideintellectualandinstitutionalsupportforongoing
whitedispossessionthatisatleastonaparwiththesupportoftheorganizedJewish
community,theirseniorpartnerincrime.Regardlessoftheviewswemayholdabouttrue
Christianteaching,ifthewhiteraceistobesaved,wewillhavetofighttheexistingchurches
everystepoftheway.
Naturally,thisbattlewillbeaidedifwehavesympathizersinsidethechurches.Alltoooften,
WhiteNationalistswhoarealsoChristiansspendtheirtimebattlingagainstnonChristiansin
ourranksratherthanagainstantiwhitesintheirchurches.ToprovethattheirWhite
Nationalismisingoodfaith,theymustinsteadtakethebattletothechurches.Iwishthem

thebest,butIalsocautionthem.Politicalentryismwithinthechurcheswillbenoeasy
matter,sincethechurcheswerelongagosubvertedinjustthismanner,andtheexisting
clergyareOldMastersinthatparticularblackart.Theywillseeyoucoming.
ThebattlewithinthechurcheswillbeaidedifWhiteNationalistscanfindresourcesfromthe
BibleandthetraditionsoftheChurchthatsupportratherthanopposeethnonationalist
politics.Ihavenodoubtthatsuchresourcesexist.Mobilizingthemisanimportant
metapoliticalproject,anditwillbecredibleonlyifcarriedoutbybelievers.
However,thebattlewithintheChurchisnotlikelytobesuccessfulunlessourmovement
makesprogressinthelargersocialrealm,forthesimplereasonthattheChurchfollows
secularopinionratherthanleadsit.Thechurchhasalonghistoryofsuppleaccommodation
tosecularpower,simplybecauseitskingdomisnotofthisworld.Itsultimategoalisthe
salvationofthesoul.Thus,ifWhiteNationalismachievespoliticalpower,thechurcheswill
huntforBiblicalprecedentsforourpoliciesandreinterpret,downplay,orignorecontrary
tendencies.TheChurchknowshowtorenderuntoCaesarwhatisCaesars.Ourjobisto
becomeCaesar.
ManydefendersofChristianityarguethatsocietiesandindividualsneedreligion,andthey
recommendChristianitysimplybecauseofitsillustriouspastandthefactthatitisstillhere.
Ofcourse,thisargumentissomewhatpremature,becausethewhiteracefirsthastosurvive
beforewecanworryabouthowwemightbestorganizeafuturewhitesociety.
Furthermore,inthelastcentury,ChristianityhasbeendramaticallydeclininginEurope.
Indeed,IhavearguedinNewRightvs.OldRight(here[7]andhere[8])thatforthree
centuriesnow,liberalism,notChristianity,hasbeenthedefactocivilreligionofEurope.Isee
noreasontobelievethatChristianitywillbemoresignificantinthefuturethanitisat
present.Itmayreviveitmaycontinuetodeclineitmaypersistindiminishedformorit
mayceasetoexistaltogether.
ThusthemerefactthatChristianityisheredoesnotrecommendit,ifwearechoosinga
religionbasedmerelyonsocialutility.Indeed,ifthatisourprimaryconcern,Ihaveargued
thatwewouldbebetterservedbytryingtoreformliberalisminaracerealist,non
individualistdirection,sinceliberalismdominateseverythingtoday,evenChristianityitself.
EuropeanChristianitywillhaveafutureonlyifEuropeanmanhasafuture.ButtheChurchis
atbestindifferenttowhitesurvival,andtodayitisactivelyworkingagainstit.Thusmy
recommendationtoWhiteNationalists,ChristianandnonChristian,istofocusprimarilyon
whitesurvival,whichrequiresthatwebemoreconcernedwithbattlingthechurchesthan
preservingthem.TheChristiansamongusmustbeWhiteNationalistsamongthem.They
mustbeourfifthcolumn,doingwhateverispossibletoweakentheChurchsoppositiontous.

TheyneednotfearfortheChurch,whichwillsurviveevenifwhitesdonot.Godwilltakecare
ofHisChurch,butwhitesmusttakecareofourselves.
ReplybyJonasDeGeer
Firstoff,Ireemphasizethattheresnodoubtthatwehavetofighttheexistingchurchesjust
inthesamewaywehavetofightourownpresentgovernments.Thatisthesituation.Butthe
questionsremains:towhatpointcanwedowithoutreligion?Anditisafact,andavery
compellingfact,thatsecularizationhasmadeusweak,hasmadeusdefenseless.Notthe
otherwayaroundassomenationalistshaveclaimedinthepast.
IwouldnotsaythattheCrusadesinanywaywereamissionoftheChurchassuch.Infact,it
ledtheEuropeanpeopletouniteinasense.Thathasneverhappenedbeforeorsince.Now,
thisissomethingthatwereallyshouldcelebrateandtrytoemulate.
Christianityhashistoricallydefinedusasnations.Wearenowinacountrythatstillhasa
Christiancrossforitsflag.Somepeopleinthiscountryquestionthat.Theywouldratherhave
thatdoneawaywith.Christianityisanobjectofbothresentmentandhateofthesame
peoplethataredestroyingus.Thisshouldtellussomething.Anditsthesamethingallover
Europe.Thecrossisasymbolfortowns,municipalities,etc.Now,whatdoesthistellus?You
saywecaneitherlooktothefutureorlooktothepast,butIthinkweneedtolooktothe
pastorconnecttothepastinordertohaveafutureatall.Thatsthepoint.
So,Isayitagain,theenemiesofEurope,thesamepeoplethattrytocompletelydestroyus
racially,destroyoursocieties,haveaprofoundhatredofChristianity.Thisisjustafact.They
dotheirutmosttobannativityscenes,tobancrucifixesfrompublicplaces,etc.Thisisapart
ofthewaragainstus.
IalsostressagainthatIamnottalkingaboutpeopledevelopingapersonalfaith,because
suchthingscanbeverydifficult.Youcanbeagood,moralpersonwithoutbeingadevout
ChristianorabelievingChristianeven.Itsnotaboutthat.Itsobviousthoughthatthemoral
capitalthatgenerationsofChristianshavecreatedissomethingthathasbenefitedour
societies.Thewordhereisintegrity.Apeoplethathasnobasicconceptofmoralintegritywill
certainlyhavenointegrityethnicallyeither.ThatskindofthepointImtryingtomake.
Ialsowanttothankyou,Greg,forhavingsuchapolitetoneinthisdebate.Ivetriedtodo
thesame.
So,willethnicintegritysurvivewithoutreligion?Idontknow.IfinditunlikelyandI
definitelythinkthatthehistoricalevidencethatwehavespeaksagainstit.Thisissomething
wehavetoconsiderveryclosely,becauseitsaveryseriousquestion.
ReplybyGregJohnson

InreplyingtoJonas,Iwanttobeginwithseveralbriefpoints,andthenIwanttodevelop
somethinginmoredetail.
First,althoughEliotisofcoursecorrectthatthedistinctionbetweenEastandWestwasbased
ontheOrthodoxversusCatholicdivide,EastandWestwerebothEuropeandbothChristian.
So,EuropeisbiggerthantheWest.
Second,contraBelloc,EuropeisnotthefaithandthefaithisnotEuropebecauseEuropean
manandcivilizationareolderthanChristianity,andChristianityhasalwaysextendedbeyond
Europe,andtheaimoftheChurchhasalwaysbeenauniversalchurch,thesalvationofall
mankind.
Third,itstrikesmethattheSecondVaticanCouncil,whichendedin1965,isbothtoolatein
timeandtooparochialinscopetoexplainourpredicament.Theforcesofdecayarefarolder,
andtheirfieldofactionisfarwider.IthinkthatVaticanIIisbestseenastheChurchs
capitulationtotheregnantforcesofliberalismratherthanasacauseoftheirtriumph.
Fourth,itisonethingtoarguethatreligionisneededforsocietytofunction.Iwouldargue
thatreligionisneededforsocietytofunction.Anditsquiteanotherthingtoarguethatthis
orthatparticularreligionfitsthebill.Christiansthatarguethesecondpointonthegrounds
thatChristianityhasalongpastandisstillaround,Ithink,aremakingaveryweak
argument,becauseChristianitytodayisataverylowebb,especiallyinEurope.Every
argumentforreligionbasedonsocialutilitycanbeusedtomakeafarstrongercaseforIslam
thanforChristianity,becauseIslamtodayisagrowing,warlike,patriarchalandfecund
religion,whichiswhycertainEuropeanultrareactionariesandTraditionalistshaveactually
becomeconvertstoIslam.
Now,mylastpointwillrequirealittlemoredevelopment,butIvegotplentyoftime,sobear
withme.
InmybookNewRightvs.OldRight,Ihaveacoupleofchapters,oneiscalledThatOldTime
Liberalism,andtheotheriscalledRacialCivilReligion,andthemainideasthatIwantto
stateherearefoundinthosetwochapters,particularlythelatterone,RacialCivilReligion.I
dothinkthateverysocietyneedsreligion,andIunderstandreligionasawayofconcretely
expressingandhonoringandpropagatingthatsocietysideaofthehighestgood.Thatisa
definitionofreligionthatencompassesbothsecularandcivicreligions.Therearecivic
religions,includingreligionsthatarenontheisticsuchasBuddhismorConfucianism,andalso
supernaturalreligionslikeChristianity.
Now,whydoweneedreligion?Whatdoallofthesereligionshaveincommon?Theyhavein
commonnarrativesstories,mythswhichcanappealtoanyone.Argumentsareveryhard

toteach.Iusedtoteachlogic.Itwasverydifficulttoteachlogic,especiallyintheUnited
States.Butanyfoolcanunderstandastory.Westartoutwithnurserystories.We
understandstoriesevenwhenweareveryyoung.Religionshaverituals,whichareconcrete
actionsthatmakerealandpalpablesomeideal,justlikenarrativesdo,andreligionsalsohave
authority.Theycommandbelief.Theydontjustpersuadeorcajole.
Whydoweneedthatinasociety?Weneeditprimarilyformoraleducationandformation.I
taughtKant.Itaughtthecategoricalimperative.Andletmetellyou,ifsocietydepended
uponpeoplereachingcollegeageandthenunderstandingKantinorderfortheretobe
morality,wewouldbebackinthejungleinnotime.Weneedmoraleducationstartingvery,
veryyoung,andrationality,argumentscannotprovideit,butreligiouseducationand
formationdojustthat.So,thereisaverystrongcase,Ithink,forthenecessityofsomekind
ofreligion.
So,whatkindofreligion?ThekindofreligionIthinkweneedtoaimatisaracialcivil
religion,thetopicofmyessay.IthinkthattheconflictbetweenChristians,pagans,and
agnosticsandatheistswithintheWhiteNationalistmovementneedstobereframedina
largercontext,becauseIthinkthatthetruedominantreligionofourtimeisnotChristianity.
Ithasntbeendominantsincethe17thcentury.Christianitybowstoliberalism.Liberalismis
thereigningreligion.Itishegemonic.Ithinkthatifwearegoingtofightthereigning
religionofourtime,anantiChristiancrusadeisnotthewaytodoit.Weneedtostrikeatthe
realdominantpower,apowerthateventheJewishcommunitypayslipservicetoinorderto
enjoythepowerthattheyhave.Itstheirhandleonus.IftheyjustappealedtonakedJewish
selfinterestwewouldntbeanywherenearasamenabletotheiraims.
So,whatdoweneedtodo?Ithinkthathonestlytheresnothingwrongwithliberal
modernityImputtingthisprovocatively:Theresnothingwrongwithliberalmodernity
thatcouldntbefixedwithbiologicalrealismaboutthedifferencesbetweentheracesandthe
sexes,andanethosthatssomewhatmorecollectivist,meaningthattheindividualismthat
weallholdsodearshouldnotbethehighestvalue,andthatwhenindividualismconflicts
withthehealthofthebodypoliticweneedtobewillingtosacrificeindividualism.
Whatwouldtheresultsbeif,throughourefforts,thosesortsofideasbecamehegemonic,if
racialawareness,racialpride,thevaluesofracialpreservationandflourishingbecamethe
hegemonicideas?Whatwouldhappentotheotherreligions?
Whatwouldhappen,forinstance,toIslam?Well,IslamwouldbebanishedtotheUmmah.It
wouldbegonefromEurope.
WhatwouldhappentoChristianity?Well,Christianitywouldhavetocontendwiththenew
Caesarintown,buttheyvebeenverygoodatthat.Weveseenalonghistoryofthat.Iwould

predictthatMarcion,Origen,Swedenborg,WilliamBlake,andSimoneWeilwouldbecomethe
topicsoftheologicaldiscussion,becauseitwouldbeimperativefortheChurchtotrytoerect
thecordonsanitairearounditsJewishroots,andthoseparticularthinkershavebeenvery
usefulforthatinthepast.
Whatwouldhappentopaganism,NordicandHellenic,underaracialcivilreligion?Ithinkit
wouldcontinuetogrowandrevive.
Andwhatwouldhappentoliberalism,ourdominantreligion?Well,Ithinkliberalswould
basicallybeabletoaccommodatethemselvestoitquitewell.Thetextureofdailylife,their
littlemicrobreweriesandcoffeehousesandthelike,wouldcontinuetofunction.Therewould
stillbeforeignfilmstowatch.Theywouldstillbeabletofawnoverdogsandcats.Theyjust
wouldntbeabletoimportlittleBlackchildrenforthesamepurposes.Inshort,whatthey
wouldlosewouldbemorethancompensatedfor,Ithink,bythegloriousfeelingthatWhites
asaraceoncemorehaveafuture.
So,thatsthevisionthatIhave.Ithinkthatweneedaracialcivilreligionthatprizesracial
survivalandflourishingaboveallotherthings.And,likeeveryreligion,likeeverydominant
discourse,itisintolerantoftheopposingviews.Wewilltakethedegradationanddestruction
ofourraceoffthemenu.Itwillnolongerbeatopicofpoliteconversation.Itwillnolongerbe
welcomeinpolitesociety.But,likeeveryothersystem,wewillbetolerantandpluralisticon
allmattersthatareunimportant.AndIthinkthatreligionisfundamentallyunimportant
comparedtoracialsurvival.
So,thatsmyvision,Iwouldsay,ofanalternativetoarevivalofChristianity,whichIthinkis
aquiteoldreligion.IthinkthatinsteadofworkingtoreviveorreformChristianity,wewould
havebetterluckfocusingourenergyonbattlingandoverturningorreformingthereally
dominantreligion,whichisthereligionofliberalism.
ConcludingRemarksbyJonasDeGeer
Well,Icanjustreiterate:liberalismhaskilledus.Withallduerespect,Dr.Johnson,butyour
visionisentirelyspeculative.Itrytoberealistic,andwehaveseenhowChristianityhasbeen
necessary,howithasindeedsavedEuropeinthepast.
Yeah,thingsarelookingprettybleakrightnow.Iadmitthat.Imnotoptimisticinanyway.
Butyoucannotcreatereligions,andthatismymainpoint.
AndwhenyousaythattheSecondVaticanCouncilisabittoolate...Yeah,itstruethat
societystartedchanging,butyoucannotcompare1960to1970.Itssuchadrasticchange
anditcompletelycoincideswiththischangeintheChurchwhichactuallysortofgave
Catholicsagreenlighttocompletelyignoreorskipreligion.So,Ithinkdefinitely,absolutely

theresnocoincidencethere.
Weneedmorality.Weneedtogetourdefensestogether,andpeoplearenevergoingtobe
willingtofightordieforsomenotionofhavingsuperiorDNA.Itsnotgoingtohappen.You
needareligionandweneedtotapintothefaithofourfathers,becauseIcanseeno
alternative,andIthinkhistoryshowsusthat.
ConcludingRemarksbyGregJohnson
Wheneverapeoplefacesacrisis,theyhavetoreevaluatetheirpriorities.Theyhavetolookat
whattheyredoingwrong.Theyhavetotrytogetasenseofwhotheyare.Theyhavetogo
deeper.Whensuperficialinstitutionsandidentitiesandsolutionsnolongerwork,wehaveto
lookdeeper.
Ithinkthatinthiscrisiswedohavetolooktoourpast.Wealsohavetolookintoournature.
IthinkthatwewillnotcomeouttheothersideofthiscrisisbyconnectingtotheSermonon
theMountanditsvalues.Ithinkwewillgetoutofthiscrisisbyconnectingwiththepagan
ethicthattheSermonontheMountisbasicallydesignedtooverthrow.Idontthinkthatits
timetoturntheothercheek.Ithinkitstimetogetmadandshovebackratherthanjustbe
shovedoffthestageofhistory.So,Idothinkweneedtoreconnectwithourpast,withour
deeperroots,ourbiologicalroots,ifyouwill.Ithinkweneedtogetintouchwiththemiddle
partofthesoulthatresidesinthechest,thethumos,whichisstigmatizedinsomewaysby
Christianityasthesinofpride.Weneedtogetangryagain.Weneedtostarttakingourown
side.Weneedtostartlovingourownandrealizingthatthereisnothingatallwrongwith
doingthat,butthatitsnatural,normal,andrightforpeopletohaveapreferencefortheir
kinoverstrangers,fortheirnationoveritsneighbors,fortheirraceoverotherraces.Ithink
thatswhatweneedtogetintouchwith.
IreallyhavetoquestionagaintherelevanceoftheSecondVaticanCouncil.Howimportant
wasCatholicisminSwedenin1965?OrinNorwayorinFinlandorinDenmark?Ithinkthatit
waspracticallynonexistent,andthereforetransformationsinthebowelsoftheVaticanIjust
dontthinkcanreallyexplainthetrajectoryofdeclinethatwehavefoundthroughoutthe
Protestantnorthinparticular.So,Iremainskepticalonthat.
Idowishtoreiterate,however,thattherewillneverbeatimeinthefuturewhenEurope
neverhadbeenChristian.Itspartofourpast.Itwillalwaysbepartofourpast.Itcannotbe
undone.Ithinkthatthecrossonflagsandthingslikethatmaysomedaybeaboutasrelevant
toourreligiousbeliefsastheNorsegodsinthedaysoftheweek.Namely,itwillbethereits
partofourhistory.IamagreatloverofGreekmythologyandNordicmythology,butIdont
literallybelieveitstruth,andIthinktherearemanythingsintheBibleespeciallytheNew
Testament,letmemakethatperfectlycleartherearemanythingsinthestoryofJesus

thataremovingtome.TherearemanyelementsofChristianartthroughoutthecenturies
thatareofpermanentaestheticappeal,andIdothink,likeGuillaumeFayewhoisnota
Christianeither,Iwouldbetheretofightagainstthebishopswhowanttohandoverthekeys
toNotreDamesoitcanbeturnedintoamosquesomeday.Idshedsomebloodtostopthat.
So,Ithinkweneedtorecognizethatthisispartofourpast.Butwerenotgoingtosaveitby
reconnectingwiththeethicsofChristianity.Weregoingtosaveitbyreconnectingwithour
paganrootsandbeyondthatwithourbiologicalroots,oursenseofdestiny,oursenseof
identity,andalsoourcapacitytogetreally,reallyfightingmad.

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