How A Capacitor Really Works

Sep 27, 2004
Earth: A Self-repairing Capacitor

One electrical device which serves as a model for cosmic plasma activity
is the capacitor. A capacitor is a device for accumulating and storing
electric charge. It is made of two conductors separated by an insulating
medium. When charge is placed on one conductor it attracts charge of
the opposite polarity on the other conductor. As a result, an electric field
is set up between the conductors, a reservoir of electrical energy.
In both everyday electronics and advanced plasma research the capacitor
is important for its ability to rapidly store and release electrical energy.
Some of the highest energy experiments in the world are performed
using large rooms full of charged capacitors to produce intense

discharges.
As the charge on the capacitor increases, the electric field between the
conductors will increase, placing a growing stress on the insulator. At
some critical point, the insulator breaks down and the capacitor "short
circuits," releasing the stored electrical energy suddenly. Such
breakdowns may destroy a solid insulator and with it, the capacitor.
However, if the charging rate is slow and the insulator is air or liquid,
the damage may repair itself as fresh insulating material rushes in. That
is a "self-repairing" capacitor. If the current is strong or the insulator
weak, current will pass between the conducting plates, either steadily or
in bursts. This is called a "leaky capacitor."
Power transmission lines form large-scale capacitors with the air as
insulator between the conducting wires. The geometry makes the electric
field strongest at the wire surface, which is where the air is likeliest to
"break down" and discharge. The hissing and crackling you hear when
standing under a power line is just this intermittent leakage.
Many natural systems form capacitors as well. For example, the Earth's
surface and its ionosphere are two conducting layers separated by air.
The surface-ionosphere capacitor is of particular interest in the study of
sprites. Small "leaks" in the form of lightning can trigger much larger
"leaks" (sprites, etc.) at high altitudes above them.
In the electric universe, this effect can be traced via auroral circuits,
through the circuitry of the solar system, and far into interstellar space.
From this viewpoint sprites and lightning are merely leakage currents
trickling off the galactic power line. But clearly, the degree to which
electric potential from the galaxy powers thunderstorms on Earth has yet
to be investigated.
How A Capacitor Really Works

by Solar Wed Mar 31, 2010 7:33 am
Well, yes. Reasoning about the activities of magnets does lead to the conclusion that there is something being affected in the
spatial region surrounding them. Its difficult not to come to that conclusion. I think the "lines of force" analogy doesn't hold
weight as a proper description of what is actually functioning in those spatial regions but helps as a representation of the 'strength
of the field' analogy.
But what do you think of this idea:
When sprinkling iron filings around a magnet could it be that instead of "lines of force", the filings may also represent those
properties akin to "stress in the dielectric" ? This by way of the dipole arrangement of those iron filings i.e. molecular, atomic,
and/or electron polarization.
Dielectrics
It seems that "polarization" can be made analogous to a "flow" or directional 'aetheric wind' (E-field). However, though
analogous it seems more-so that the interaction gently 'offsets' the normal 'electrical balance' of one or more of those features
(molecular, atomic, electron etc). It changes the normally balanced "dipole moment" of the 'dielectric structure'.
So, in reasoning about magnets it seems also possible to consider the arrangement of iron filings as being analogous to 'dielectric
stress". Not just a relation to the 'strength of the field'. Thoughts?
"Once physicist grabbed hold of electricity all knowledge of it ceased. Electrons have nothing to do with the flow of electricity.
Electrons are the rate at which electricity is destroyed. Electrons are the resistance." - Eric Dollard
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Re: How A Capacitor Really Works

by junglelord Wed Mar 31, 2010 8:57 am
Thats what Howard Johnson says!
You hit the head on the nail.
If you only knew the magnificence of the 3, 6 and 9, then you would have a key to the universe.
Nikola Tesla
Casting Out the Nines from PHI into Indigs reveals the Cosmic Harmonic Code.
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Knowledge is Structured in Consciouness. Structure and Function Cannot Be Seperated.
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by junglelord Thu Jun 03, 2010 7:15 am
Want to see how a capacitor really works?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ckpQW9sdUg
MIT Physics Demo -- Dissectible Capacitor
Clearly the Dielectric stress is in the dielectric material, not the copper plates, as is erroneous taught.
Another clear victory of Tesla/Dollard theory of Electrostatic Phenomenon and Dielectric Field Theory.
Eric Dollard on the MIT youtube video, the master speaks

There are some very serious misconceptions in the world of Electrical Engineering today. (The writings of Oliver Heaviside and
Proteus Steinmetz gravely warned about this...) Let us start with the YouTube MIT Physics Demo video. This is a good
demonstration for several reasons.
1.) Glass is a dielectric which can store electrical energy within its physical form. This should be common knowledge and not a
surprise to anyone today
2.) That this simple fact and reality blows some peoples minds clearly illustrates that its just all gone way, way, too far The
Einsteinian Lie has succeeded in instilling a mind virus in most everyone and also in confusing Main Stream Scientists, who
today waste billions of dollars of funding each year, only to chase their own tails in a canonic sequence.
Chris Carson Built the Rotary Electrostatic Converter. His design was based entirely on my electrical theory and math. It was
designed to demonstrate and validate the concept of Synchronous Parameter Variation and the Four Quadrant Theory of
Electricity. The device worked well. It had to spin up to around 10,000 RPM. This unit took Chris months to complete; to get all
of the parts together, and to get it perfectly balanced and operational. Chris determined that it was starting to exhibit the effects of
synthesis of electrical energy from the electrostatic field. This is a result of the variation of capacitance (C in Farrads) with
respect to time (T in seconds) which results in a negative conductance G (in Siemens). Hence the generation of electric energy.
Then, disinformants, whom I refer to as the Montauk Crowd swooped in on him after he completed this device, and he was
never the same again, - he died of Brain Cancer a year or two later
There was also the Rotary Electromagnetic Converter, constructed by Michael Knots and Peter Lindemann with the help of Chris
Carson. This unit exhibited the property of materializing and dematerializing electric energy without regard for the Law of
Conservation of Energy. This is another example of synchronous parameter variation. In this case inductance (L in Henrys) time
(T in seconds) gave rise to positive resistance (R in Ohms), hence the unaccounted for destruction of electric energy. It must be
just as illegal to destroy energy as it is to create it dont you think? E is NOT equal to MC squared. There is no Matter to
Energy equivalency this is: The Great White Lie
(Where is the video that was made of this device being tested with my Navy electrical switchboard instrumentation anyway????)
I have a device, built for the Army Air Corps during World War 2, A/N number PP-18/AR Power Converter, which self-sustains
the electrical system in my car. It uses the same theory of operation as Chriss device but involves a different mechanical
implementation utilizing a vibrator, several capacitors and 12V and 24V batteries that are connected in parallel through the
device, rendering them as one.
I had a young student from Korea visit me a few years back. He had no problem understanding the basic concept of producing an
energy synthesizing apparatus, because his mind was uncontaminated by all of the Bedini/Bearden falsehoods. The term Scalar
Wave is an oxymoron, as scalar is part of the propagation constant that is NOT A WAVE! (Idiots!)
Most are clueless about the importance of the Variation of Inductance and Capacitance with respect to time and synchronous
parameter variations. Read chapter 21 (XXI) titled REACTION MACHINES in Charles Proteus Steinmetzs book titled
Alternating Current Phenomena. There is also a Russian paper (brought to me by the Korean student as a gift) titled: UBER
DIE ERREGUNG VON ELETRISCHEN SCHWINGUNGEN DURCH PARAMETERAENDERUNG von L. Mandelstam und
N. Papalexi, published in 1934 in: J. ZEITSCHRIFT FUR (umlaut on the U - as should also be on the first U in the title of the
paper) TECHNISCHE PHYSIK Band IV, Heft 1, that continues with what Steinmetz teaches in his books, and takes it all the way
(Title translation: Concerning the Excitation of Electrical Waves Through Parameter Changes). In one picture in the paper, there
appears to be a brightly glowing incandescent lamp connected to a network, with no apparent connection to a power source. It
appears to be an Alexanderson type Mag. Amp. operating in a self oscillation mode. (Alexanderson Patent # 1,328,797 Jan. 20,
1920): Even though my copy of the paper is in Russian, the equations speak for themselves and echo the work of Steinmetz and
Alexanderson. Ernst Alexanderson emigrated to America because of Steinmetzs book, - he was determined to work with
Steinmetz after studying it. Steinmetz was forced to reverse many of his equations in later books and was severely criticized by
physicist Michael Pupin of Columbia University for not using Maxwells ideas and instead developing a methodology that was
actually useful and practical for engineers. (Read, Steinmetz, Engineer and Socialist written by Ronald R. Kline.) Here it was
said that General Electric gave Steinmetz permission to create Electricity form the square root of minus one
I personally created so much Electricity form the square root of minus one out of the compressor plants synchronous machines at
the Richmond Ship-yard that I was working in at the time (which also housed one of my laboratories) that it tripped the reverse
power relays of the Richmond substation and shut off all power to the City of Richmond. For that to have happened, means that
the City of Richmond was producing more power than it was consuming, hence the reverse power relays tripped and shut the city
down. PG & E trucks were there almost immediately. Shortly thereafter, I presented my Four Quadrant Theory to Pacific Gas &
Electric Co. executives and engineers on behalf of the lease holder of the shipyard and they became my friends (however they
would not allow the shipyard meter to turn backwards). So much for Corporate Suppression In actuality PG & E would love to
have energy sustaining devices connected to their power grid. Profits would soar and pollution would drop. Such devices tend to
operate above 500 kva and are not scalable into smaller devices, and therefore are only appropriate for substations. In West
Marin, the Tocaloma PG & E substation on the Ignacio/Olema 66 kv line, has only one line for both the input and output. It
represents the vestige of such devices, - an installation that has been in operation for at least 70 years. Today, probably no one in
PG& E, even knows how it all works. (Dont expect the lights to stay on for too much longer today, engineers have been
replaced by lawyers and safety has been replaced by insurance. Its a LET-IT-BURN policy)
At the time, the Bolinas RCA-Marconi Station, through corporate encouragement by RCA and Bell Telephone, gave me free run
of that site to set up one of my laboratories. My plan was to produce a system utilizing no rotating machinery but only static
devices, such as coils and condensers in an Alexanderson configuration to possibly power the town of Bolinas and at least
provide PG & E with all of their reactive power needs. The network experiments would consume no energy to operate and
therefore cost nothing. The plan was to use the electrical substation on-site to connect to PG & Es grid, giving power to them for
free, in exchange for being able to use the 12kv power line for my experiments. Everything of importance including engineering
records and notes as well the equipment at the Bolinas RCA-Marconi Station was destroyed by State of California
Environmentalists through Jerry Brown (former California Governor) and the environmental politician Burr Henneman, this in
conjunction with The National Park Service. The NPS is an EMBEDDED FOREIGN ORGANIZATION within the United States
Government. Massive quantities of polychlorinated biphenyls and mercury were released into the environment by
environmentalists in their endeavor to destroy the Station as quickly as possible. (See the link already posted by phi1.62 on 0121-2009 on page 2 of this thread) The same group destroyed my Civil Defense Facility in the town of Bolinas which was on the
property of Nashama Franklin. The same property was embezzled afterwards from Ms. Franklin by the same crowd that
embezzled the Reynolds funding.
Also in Bolinas, U.S. Coast Guard Communication Station NMC worked with me on certain problems they were having and their
reutilization of the RCA site. This enviro-group went to NMC and warned them of the consequences of doing business with Eric
Dollard. Today NMC cannot even be heard in Half Moon Bay 50 miles away, if they are on the air at all. (Who needs Bin
Laden?) Who doesnt like Tesla then? Is it the government? (no). Is it the environmentalists? (you got it) They call themselves
Commonweal. Altman link
As far as inventing the log periodic: it was invented by Raymond H. Du Hammel, I believe, as an Air Force Project and the
University of California Berkeley was where most of the work was done. Check patent number: 2,985,879, it is a fascinating
design.
On the other hand, I did invent the Log Periodic Multiple Wave Oscillator based on the initial Lakhovsky patent. I got rid of all
the bull and added a Golden Ratio Log Periodic antenna which was etched out of a double sided printed circuit board and then
Gold plated which was widely sold and probably still is, for which I did and do not receive a dime. It seems to have some sort of
radionic effect even with out power being applied.
Individuals in the guise of Borderland Sciences embezzled $50,000, money that R. Joshua Reynolds had provided me with to
continue my research. At the Last Supper where Joshua invited everyone for dinner, (everyone that he had funded with millions
of dollars that is) he cut off funding for Andrea Puharic et al (the Soviet Scalar Conspirators) and pronounced that I had done
more on USDA food stamps than any one else that he had funded. Needless to say, I made no friends at the dinner table that
night The Voodoo was hideous
Am I concerned about the CIA, the NSA or any other alphabet soup organizations supposed suppression or retribution?... No!
Common swine thats who I am concerned about. An example of this is a situation that I encountered in Montana. A group in
Missoula (which was later found out to be a group of international criminals) showed up to HELP ME and in trade I would
help them extract gold from spent tailings utilizing Tesla methodologies. They helped me alright, by entrapping me, assaulting
me and stealing my classic Celica and threatened to kill me if I were to do anything about it. They strong armed their way into
my Desert laboratory to steal all related equipment. The property owner of the desert lab died shortly thereafter, within weeks of
Chris Carsons death. Friends of yours Peter?
As is well known, I was the last engineer involved with getting the Integratron operational. My efforts were thwarted and ruined,
not by the Men in Black, but rather by the Woman in White. Today the Integratron is a Goddess worship temple
So in light of all the above, why should Eric Dollard involve himself in the useless or criminal behavior of others. There are those
who wish to republish my earlier writings and to make this information freely available to everyone. Unfortunately, much of it
has already gone to the dump. I have no interest in teaching anyone about Tesla except under the department of the Navy or the
likes thereof. The door is shut!
http://www.energeticforum.com/90090-post71.html
It is Longitudinal Energy that runs a EU. That is my impression. Dollard is not a fan of Bearden and clearly if I have a choice, I
choose to listen to Dollard. I am convinced that Dollard has a firm grasp on what Tesla was talking about and what he
understood. I think that the other 99% of the planet do not have a clue.
See this thread to learn the difference b/t scalar and longitudinal.
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=3364
Nikola Tesla
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by Jarvamundo Thu Jun 03, 2010 7:45 pm
I find Bearden always confuses the hell outa me with: "energy... well... itsss frooam yaaw taaiiime domaaain silly"
Not offence to the man, but i find him confusing. Dollard is precise, clear, and often has a glowing bulb in his hands with no
wires, or on a function generator knob.
A dream would be to get Dollard to do an MIT lecture series like Lewin's.
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by fzzzy Thu Jun 03, 2010 8:39 pm
My intuition is that Dollard knows what he's talking about and Brown knows some stuff but is fudging the details. Brown really
may think he really knows the details, but my intuition is that Dollard is closer to the truth.
Thermodynamics cannot give us free energy -- by definition thermodynamics causes the destruction of energy. It seems to me
Tesla's magnifying transmitter operates using sound and pressure, and is merely primed with electricity.
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by fzzzy Thu Jun 03, 2010 9:57 pm
Whoops, I meant Bearden, not Brown.
Thermodynamics cannot give us free energy -- by definition thermodynamics causes the destruction of energy. It seems to me
Tesla's magnifying transmitter operates using sound and pressure, and is merely primed with electricity.
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by Jarvamundo Thu Jun 03, 2010 11:36 pm
I agree there... my intuition says there are/have been a number of people riding on Dollard's back. In every video he's appeared in,
everyone, including co-presenters, stand in awe and silence with every word.
In the end, no one 'owns' this information... we are discovering nature... the invention of the system of capitalism has placed the
idea of ownership on this natural philosophy.... when you step back and look at it... it's bizarre. All confrontation, tension,
misinformation has stemmed from this feature of the commercialization of the product...
(before the rants on 'whoever funds the work gets the benefits' start... yeah i get that... if one introduces that argument... the
inverse applies... suppression... which brings us back to those features of the capitalist system... it's not a conspiracy... it's just a
natural expected feature of the system)
All good... we are in it... just when you step back... it's a bizarre setup, if you want to encourage natural philosophy.
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by junglelord Fri Jun 04, 2010 9:31 am
Jarvamundo wrote: Dollard is precise, and clear.
A dream would be to get Dollard to do an MIT lecture series like Lewin's.
Yes that would be the cat's meow...
Nikola Tesla
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by Anaconda Fri Jun 04, 2010 5:36 pm
junglelord,
That experiment is excellent and demonstrates not only the physical relationships, but also the power of experiment to trump
theoretical musings...no matter how well structured in mathematical language.
Admittedly, I didn't know a lot of electrical principles before studying & researching Electric Universe ideas.
I can't say I knew how a capacitor worked and the TPOD article, Earth: A Self-repairing Capacitor, was seemingly enlightening. I
say "seemingly" because the MIT experiment does contradict the common understanding of the physical relationships of a
capacitor as expressed in the TPOD article.
http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2004/ ... acitor.htm
I find the debunking rational provided in an earlier comment to be a weak and unconvincing argument.
Rather, it seems old Benjamin Franklin understood the physical relationships better than today's physicists
...the electricity did not reside in the coating, as had been supposed, but in the pores of the glass itself. After a vial was charged he
removed the coating, and found that upon applying a new coating the shock might still be received.
So, going back to the TPOD, Earth: A Self-repairing Capacitor, it would seem that the atmosphere stores electrical charge
received from the ionosphere and possibly the surface in certain situations (volcanic eruptions) and then releases the electrical
charge either to the surface or back into the ionosphere. Dielectrics (insulators) being capable of electrical charge storage has
tremendous application to geological processes and dynamics.
But as the rest of the thread discusses, this experimental demonstration opens up all kinds of questions about electricity &
magnetism's actual physical properties and how they interact and effect matter.
Nothing beats empirical experiment & demonstration
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by seasmith Mon Mar 22, 2010 12:15 pm
Solar wrote:
If the aether is 'fluid' does the 'polarization' happen on the fly as it passes?
Hi Solar,
Just curious, why would you ascribe a physical property to an aetheric field ?
If you concur with an example given by M. Mathis, which i believe you cited recently:
. .. irony, since it means that Einstein actually had more of an ether than Tesla. Tesla called his E/M field an ether, but it was a
field, not an ether. Einstein called his field a field, but it was an ether, not a field. Curvature gave his field a mechanical property,
and a fundamental field that has a mechanical property is not a field, it is an ether.
As the 'ground state' (the prime condition, not the negative "ground" of a battery) it would be the state from and to which all
EM/ES flux arise and return. So often, in an experimental framework, much thought is given to the accumulation and
transmittance of electrical phenomena, as if electrons or photons or whatever "quanta" are in some manner gathered up and
conveyed from point A to point B via some pre-formed space. It seems readily apparent that none of those electrical effects are in
the least separate from the duration of that 'ground state' ( or as Mathis calls "time differential").
~ The "Jitter" that is inevitably found at a quantum level is, imo, evidence for the regenerative aetheric circuit we may call the
Aetheric Cycle.
s
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by Solar Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:30 pm
seasmith wrote: Just curious, why would you ascribe a physical property to an aetheric field ?
If you concur with an example given by M. Mathis, which i believe you cited recently:
Ah. That question was in relation to the suggestion that an aetheric "tension" as stated in the Dollard quote was set up in the
dielectric. But Faraday proposed 'molecular polarization'. So I was curious as to how an aetheric tension' could set up a molecular
polarization (if Farady is correct).
With todays nanotechnology and vortices being 'directed' via E-fields it seems that it would be possible to determine if an E-field
also (naturally) 'reduced' molecular or atomic 'spacing' along the E-field's vector in a dielectric. I think there may be something
like that on the forum somewhere. The subject is interesting as it relates the London force, or Van der Waals dispersion force as
suggested via Thornhill for inducing a potential gravity related resonant atomic 'electric dipole distortions' as briefly covered at
Holoscience: "Columbia: Questions of Some Gravity (Update 7 June)"
And a bit further here:
Others and I have argued that a plenum of neutrinos forms the aether.[25] Based upon nuclear experiments, I have also proposed
that neutrinos are the most collapsed, lowest energy state of matter. In other words they exhibit vanishingly small mass. However,
being normal matter composed of subtrons, they are capable of forming electric dipoles. In an oscillating electromagnetic field a
neutrino must rotate through 360 per cycle. That would link the speed of light in a vacuum to the moment of inertia of a
neutrino. Having some mass, neutrinos must be dragged along by gravitating bodies. They form a kind of extended
atmosphere which will bend light. It has nothing to do with a metaphysical warping of space. - Holoscience: "Electric Gravity
in an Electric Universe"
When looking at these as relates the "neutrino" and Aetherometry's claim that the "neutrino" is a mistaken form of their aether+
the fact that the EU requires an aether+Faradys suggestion of molecular polarization - there seemed to be a slight E-field vector
inducing correlation of sorts going on in there. Taking the notion that matter 'encapsulates' the angular momentum of aetheric
"particles" (if it is 'particulate') - said angular momentum being 'transmitted' via the E-field for the dipole distortion - well that
seems it might work.
I was ponder those correlations.
. .. irony, since it means that Einstein actually had more of an ether than Tesla. Tesla called his E/M field an ether, but it was a
field, not an ether. Einstein called his field a field, but it was an ether, not a field. Curvature gave his field a mechanical property,
and a fundamental field that has a mechanical property is not a field, it is an ether.
As the 'ground state' (the prime condition, not the negative "ground" of a battery) it would be the state from and to which all
EM/ES flux arise and return. So often, in an experimental framework, much thought is given to the accumulation and
transmittance of electrical phenomena, as if electrons or photons or whatever "quanta" are in some manner gathered up and
conveyed from point A to point B via some pre-formed space. It seems readily apparent that none of those electrical effects are in
the least separate from the duration of that 'ground state' ( or as Mathis calls "time differential").
~ The "Jitter" that is inevitably found at a quantum level is, imo, evidence for the regenerative aetheric circuit we may call the
Aetheric Cycle.
s
The Mathis article was cited in the Mathis thread not because of full agreement but to show that the subject matter wasn't of
topic. Your last statements here are excellent. I do think that this is the case (Ouroboros or the dual nature of Shiva).
As for "fields" I don't like the term. Its a region. A field is an analogous description used as an explanation to avoid an actual
answer to what is actually functioning in that region. Something may to be undergoing polarization/dipole distortion and/or
moving through the spatial region surrounding magnets. (LMAO!! Ode to Alton) Okay sorry, I couldn't resist.
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by Solar Mon Mar 22, 2010 6:19 pm
Apologies, meant to say "to show that the subject matter wasn't off topic."
Now, I was away for bit from the forum studying and what not. I'm chatty as of late because I'm simply sharing some of the
concepts gathered over that period. It'll wear off in a few hehehe... This is the only place I can get these things out of my system
so I'm just 'unloading' as it were.
I have another question. I'm a little bewildered by the persistent notion that either the aether is 'solid-like' or that it is 'fluid-like'.
Harold Aspden is one of two that I currently know of who suggest that it can display both properties according to the situation.
He placed this page up to describe:
What you see is a lattice like array of electric charges, all identical, immersed in a uniform background continuum of opposite
charge polarity. Overall the aether is electrically neutral. Its properties are akin to those of a fluid crystal. When matter is present
the electrical action of its charge components can cause the lattice to form a frame of reference locked to the matter frame and
this can move bodily with that matter. This forms boundaries between lattice regions in relative motion. The fluid crystal property
then asserts itself as the lattice charges at the forward boundaries dissolve into the fluid background only to reappear at the
trailing boundary. This is a version of the aether that was no considered by the aether theorists of the 19th century. It structure
determines the most important dimensionless constant in physics, namely the one which connects the speed of light with the
electron unit of charge and the quantum of action we associate with radiation. - Harold Aspden
In relation to his "fluid crystal" analogy consider the action or statement "The fluid crystal property then asserts itself as the
lattice charges at the forward boundaries dissolve into the fluid background only to reappear at the trailing boundary."
Compare this with The Plasma Crystal Experiment:
Plasma Crystals form under certain conditions in a complex ('dusty') plasma. There, the electrically charged dust particles arrange
in a regular macroscopic crystal lattice.
When you hover your mouse over the photo showing the plasma crystal at the top right of the page. It changes to the lattice form
under ideal conditions as can be seen in this actual photo here:
These melamine-formaldehyde spheres arranged themeless this way and appear to be electrostatically suspended and balanced.
On the page "PKE Nefedov More Results (3)" there is an .avi linked. which you've probably seen.
A puff of air was injected into the chamber and the .avi shows the interaction. If you watch it you'll see that as the "void" caused
by the puff of air moves around within the initially ideal lattice array "the lattice charges at the forward boundaries dissolve into
the fluid background only to reappear at the trailing boundary.
Although I'm not quite sure what Aspden means by "dissolve" this .avi is the closest I've seen to what he describes. If you'll also
notice towards the last 4 seconds or so, as the "void" (equipotential surface) settles down look at the spheres beneath the "void".
They are 'compressed' and 'displaced' from the original state of equilibrium i.e. they form a "field" of greater density and
compactification than their original balanced state.
This, because the "void" - analogous to an object - resides in the "space" of the original equilibrium.
Barring any phase-transitions that may occur once some critical value is reached what does one say? That it is a "field" within a
larger "field"? To me, the presence of an object within the aether acts in similar fashion just as Aspden suggest. Such that its
qualities are neither "solid" nor "liquid" but a 'phase-state' that can display both qualities as opposed to being limited to the early
19th century constraints.
Just as surely as plasma is now recognized as the 4th state, and a Bose-Einstein Condensate is hovering around being called a 5th
state, what is it that limits us to the consideration of other potential states that do not meet rigidly established 'standards'?
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by GaryN Mon Mar 22, 2010 11:55 pm
The link from a previous post has kept my mind busy a while Solar. Good post.
http://www.borderlands.com/dollardandtesla.htm
Now, I was away for bit from the forum studying and what not. I'm chatty as of late because I'm simply sharing some of the
concepts gathered over that period. It'll wear off in a few hehehe... This is the only place I can get these things out of my system
so I'm just 'unloading' as it were.
Unload away! Tensegrity looks like it explains much of the Universe, maybe Synergy explains the rest. I came to TB hoping for a
Synergetic experience, and I think one day a big answer might just appear from a lot of lesser ideas.
"I consider it entirely possible that physics cannot be based upon the field concept, that is on continuous structures. Then nothing
will remain of my whole castle in the air, including the theory of gravitation, but also nothing of the rest of contemporary
physics." Einstein.
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by StefanR Tue Mar 23, 2010 9:49 am
Solar wrote:
What you see is a lattice like array of electric charges, all identical, immersed in a uniform background continuum of opposite
charge polarity. Overall the aether is electrically neutral. Its properties are akin to those of a fluid crystal. When matter is present
the electrical action of its charge components can cause the lattice to form a frame of reference locked to the matter frame and
this can move bodily with that matter. This forms boundaries between lattice regions in relative motion. The fluid crystal property
then asserts itself as the lattice charges at the forward boundaries dissolve into the fluid background only to reappear at the
trailing boundary. This is a version of the aether that was no considered by the aether theorists of the 19th century. It structure
determines the most important dimensionless constant in physics, namely the one which connects the speed of light with the
electron unit of charge and the quantum of action we associate with radiation. - Harold Aspden
Although I'm not quite sure what Aspden means by "dissolve" this .avi is the closest I've seen to what he describes. If you'll also
notice towards the last 4 seconds or so, as the "void" (equipotential surface) settles down look at the spheres beneath the "void".
They are 'compressed' and 'displaced' from the original state of equilibrium i.e. they form a "field" of greater density and
compactification than their original balanced state.
Perhaps this movie shows it a bit better:
http://www.ieap.uni-kiel.de/plasma/ag-piel/dlr/index_dlr_dateien/wellen.mpg
http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=8358#p8358
And there is a movie of this one some where (can't find at the moment):
And of this there was a movie too somewhere (same story):
Under certain conditions novel phenomena appear at the lower boundary of this void under gravity conditions: Bubbles form, which ''explode''
upwards into the void, like shown on the picture to the right (Enlarge. Courtesy of M. Kretschmer). Droplets or blobs such as the one shown on
the cover appear, ejecting particles into the void. Another phenomenon is the formation of cusps in the particle cloud, which are pointing
upwards. These cones remind of so-called ''Taylor cones'', which form in liquids under the influence of electric fields and surface tension.
So a crude analogy seems possible:
dusty plasma : condensations/"objects"/interactions in dusty plasma :: matterpoints/aether : primary particles/"objects"/sensible
matter
Then perhaps if taking the little spheres of the dusty plasma into Boscovich' matterpoints and seeing in such way as well Aspden's
matrix, and the interactions there more dynamic than dusty plasma an interesting view comes there indeed.
This is a more recent release which is some what interesting
Phase separation (droplet formation) in a binary complex plasma
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failing to know that realm from the standpoint of a higher vision. -L.H.
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by Solar Tue Mar 23, 2010 11:08 am
Stunning link StefanR.
Also in particular note the "waves" occurring in the initially ideal "medium" of 'balanced charges' as put forth via Aspden and
demonstrated there throughout the regions of greater density ("field") of what? - the same "medium" that is 'displaced' by the
"equipotential surface" defining the "void" as it asserts its existence within that "medium". This is of course barring any input
modulation.
A "fluid crystal" demonstrating both 'solid' and 'fluid' characteristics of initially balanced 'charges' undergoing 'displacement via
'perturbation' appears to work much better. In one fell swoop several of the characteristics associated with the activities of the
'wave-particle' duality' can exist. That is perhaps how it may be that a dynamical aspect to an aether may exist through this kind
of "tension" or Tensegrity relationship.
One can then speculate that were a second and much smaller 'puff' of a different quality and quantity of air were injected into the
much more dense region very close to the edge of the larger "void" - would one then see activities along the "wavelength" similar
to the 'acceleration of a charge in an electric field' and/or 'gravitational attraction' depending on the nature of the air so injected?
These are the kinds of things that strongly suggest, to me, that the 19th century debate over this issue is a circular constraint.
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by seasmith Tue Mar 23, 2010 2:55 pm
Solar, Stefan et al,

I've long admired Aspden's work, before i had any concept of an EU.
His model of an aether has bothered me somewhat though. Other than the ubiquitous 'quantum jitter', it is rather non-dynamic.
It does not create or annihilate stars and galaxies. It doesn't contract or expand.
It does have "temperature" and can exist in multiple discrete crystal 'entities' which can interact with each other, but which
together apparently do not comprise a unity;
that is, a prime ground state.
A material system such as body Earth which comprises, at its ultra microscopic atomic level, electric charges and their attendant
fields can move through the aetherial fluid crystal and carry a kind of aether crystal with it, whilst surrounding aether has its own
separate crystal form. The structure can dissolve at the foward boundaries, dispersing into the background fluid, only to reappear
as new crystal structures forms behind the aether structure that is 'dragged' along by body Earth.
His model does very nicely describe a "dusty plasma', where voids can be "blown in to it" and can "convey" EM formations from
A to B.
It is a more elegant model than the 19th century subtle atmosphere, but somehow seems to be as a meta-medium or transitional
phase of matter/non-matter; which is precisely what a good EU engineer might call the pervading universal Plasma.
~The crystalline aspect (of both?) is the most intriguing. My middle-mind remains open.
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by junglelord Tue Mar 23, 2010 6:18 pm
I would consider the quantum spin number vs a quantum jitter when defining aether. Try a quantum spin of 2.
I think its clear that the liquid crystal model (of which we are made) is a better definition of the properties of the aether phase
state. As above so below. I am glad to see that link to borderland science and Eric Dollard on capacitance.
http://www.borderlands.com/dollardandtesla.htm
TESLA TECHNOLOGY
A collection of research and research materials for advance research in understanding the true nature of Tesla's discoveries.
Introduction to
DIELECTRICITY AND CAPACITANCE
by Eric Dollard
CAPACITANCE
The phenomena of capacitance is a type of electrical energy storage in the form of a field in an enclosed space. This space is
typically bounded by two parallel metallic plates or two metallic foils on an intervening insulator or dielectric. A nearly infinite
variety of more complex structures can exhibit capacity, as long as a difference in electric potential exists between various areas
of the structure. The oscillating coil represents one possibility as to a capacitor of more complex form, and will be presented here.
CAPACITANCE INADEQUATELY EXPLAINED
The perception of capacitance as used today is wholly inadequate for the proper understanding of this effect. Steinmetz mentions
this in his introductory book Electric Discharges, Waves and Impulses. To quote, "Unfortunately, to large extent in dealing with
dielectric fields the prehistoric conception of the electrostatic charge (electron) on the conductor still exists, and by its use
destroys the analogy between the two components of the electric field, the magnetic and the dielectric, and makes the
consideration of dielectric fields unnecessarily complicated."
LINES OF FORCE AS REPRESENTATION OF DIELECTRICITY
Steinmetz continues, "There is obviously no more sense in thinking of the capacity current as current which charges the
conductor with a quantity of electricity, than there is of speaking of the inductance voltage as charging the conductor with a
quantity of magnetism. But the latter conception, together with the notion of a quantity of magnetism, etc., has vanished since
Faraday's representation of the magnetic field by lines of force."
THE LAWS OF LINES OF FORCE
All the lines of magnetic force are closed upon themselves, all dielectric lines of force terminate on conductors, but may form
closed loops in electromagnetic radiation. These represent the basic laws of lines of force. It can be seen from these laws that any
line of force cannot just end in space.
FARADAY & LINES OF FORCE THEORY
Farady felt strongly that action at a distance is not possible thru empty space, or in other words, "matter cannot act where it is
not." He considered space pervaded with lines of force. Almost everyone is familiar with the patterns formed by iron filings
around a magnet. These filings act as numerous tiny compasses and orientate themselves along the lines of force existing around
the poles of the magnet. Experiment has indicated that a magnetic field does possess a fibrous construct. By passing a coil of wire
thru a strong magnetic field and listening to the coil output in headphones, the experimenter will notice a scraping noise. J. J.
Thompson performed further experiments involving the ionization of gases that indicate the field is not continuous but fibrous
(electricity and matter, 1906).
ENERGY INTO MATTER
As the voltage or impedance is increased the emphasis is on the inward flux. If the impedance is high and rate of change is
fast enough (perfect overtone series), it would seem possible the compression of the energy would transform it into matter
and the reconversion of this matter into energy may or may not synchronize with the cycle of oscillation. This is what may
be considered supercapacitance, that is, stable long term conversion into matter.
IMPORTANT REFERENCE MATERIAL
1. Electricity and Matter, J. J. Thompson, New York, l906, Scribner's Sons, and l904, Yale University.
2. Elementary Lecture on Electric Discharges, Waves, and Impulses and other Transients, C. P. Steinmetz, second edition, 1914,
McGraw-Hill.
3. Theory and Calculation of Transient Electric Phenomena and Oscillations, C. P. Steinmetz, third edition, l920, McGraw-Hill.
Section III Transients in Space, Chapter VIII, Velocity of Propagation of Electric Field.
Great link.
The creation of matter is a Tensegrity event.
Nikola Tesla
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OOPS!
I meant to say the creation of matter is always a Z pinch tensegrity event.
The convergence of tension and compression in a Z Pinch creates the synergetic combination of perfect balance b/t these two
elements, continual tension, with discontinuous compression events, which generates the matrix equilibirum of eletrons and
protons and the jitterbug device of an atom via photons.
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by GaryN Wed Mar 24, 2010 2:24 pm
The Universe is synergetic, you could not predict the whole by examining any of its components.
Humans are both anti-entropic and synergetic structures, and even our consciousness is an emergent
feature, which depends on the metaphysical, language, for its very existence. Whew.
"I consider it entirely possible that physics cannot be based upon the field concept, that is on continuous structures. Then nothing
will remain of my whole castle in the air, including the theory of gravitation, but also nothing of the rest of contemporary
physics." Einstein.
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by Solar Wed Mar 24, 2010 5:29 pm
junglelord wrote: From Dollard
ENERGY INTO MATTER
As the voltage or impedance is increased the emphasis is on the inward flux. If the impedance is high and rate of change is
fast enough (perfect overtone series), it would seem possible the compression of the energy would transform it into matter
and the reconversion of this matter into energy may or may not synchronize with the cycle of oscillation. This is what may
be considered supercapacitance, that is, stable long term conversion into matter.
It is this "inward flux", "folding", "overlapping", or 'interpenetration' of the "ground state" with Itself that results in the formation
of subsequent "ground states" relative to the various 'secondary states':
The Maxwell field as a derived special case
As the derivations show, nobody can claim there wouldnt exist potential vortices and no
propagation as a scalar wave, since only the Maxwell equations are to blame that these
already have been factored out in the approach. One has to know that the field equations,
and may they be as famous as they are, are nothing but a special case, which can be
derived.
The field-theoretical approach however, which among others bases on the Faraday-law, is
universal and cant be derived on its part. It describes a physical basic principle, the
alternating of two dual experience or observation factors, their overlapping and mixing by
continually mixing up cause and effect. It is a philosophic approach, free of materialistic
or quantum physical concepts of any particles.
Maxwell on the other hand describes without exception the fields of charged particles, the
electric field of resting and the magnetic field as a result of moving charges. The charge
carriers are postulated for this purpose, so that their origin and their inner structure remain
unsettled and cant be derived. The subdivision e.g. in quarks stays in the domain of a
hypothesis, which cant be proven. The sorting and systematizing of the properties of
particles in the standard-model is nothing more than unsatisfying comfort for the missing
calculability.
With the field-theoretical approach however the elementary particles with all quantum
properties can be calculated as field vortices [1, chap. 7]. With that the field is the cause
for the particles and their measurable quantisation. The electric vortex field, at first source
free, is itself forming its field sources in form of potential vortex structures. - Meyl: "Faraday or Maxwell"
junglelord wrote:I would consider the quantum spin number vs a quantum jitter when defining aether. Try a quantum spin of 2.
The "tension" of the 'background ground state' as it "folds" via quaternion "space": 720
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by junglelord Thu Mar 25, 2010 2:21 pm
Charge is and always will be a distribued sphere. It is only natural for it to have a stacked spin
The standard model states that matter has a dual nature, showing characteristics of a particle in some experiments and
characteristics of a wave in others. But it does not tell us how matter expresses these characteristics. It assumes that it is
impossible to do so. But it is not impossible. In fact, it is embarrassingly simple. Matter is NOT both particle and wave. Matter is
a particle with a wave. That is, the photon, like the electron and the proton and every other incorporation of matter, is a discrete
particle, with a radius, a surface area, a mass, and a spin. Fundamentally, it is not a wave. It is a physical sphere, just as much as
the Earth or the Moon or a marble or a bowling ball.
So all those smug little PhDs on the forums are wrong. To solve the problem of duality, we must not think of the photon or
electron as a probability. We must think of it as a physical sphere. We must do so because doing so is the only way to solve the
mysteries of quantum mechanics. I have already proved this in the most direct fashion possible: by solving problems that had
stymied them for generations. I have solved problems Bohr could not solve, that Einstein could not solve, that Feynman could not
solve, and I have done it by ignoring all the warnings from the physics policeignoring the warnings of the cult groupies.
They have said there is no way to visualize superposition, but I have done it. They have said there is no way to illustrate wave
motions or characteristics, but I have done it. They have said there is no way to explain duality in a physical, mechanical way, but
I have done it.
I have done it by showing that a simple sphere, of any size, can have four stacked spins. The first spin is an axial spin, with a size
of R (where R is the radius). The second spin cannot be axial, due to gyroscopic rules. It must be outside the influence of the
axial spin. Therefore it must be an end-over-end spin, with a size of 2R.
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by Jaythree Tue Mar 30, 2010 6:03 pm
First principle: never trust anyone in a white lab coat
As for an explanation, I always prefer Dr. James Sung's model, in which charge is not a property of matter but literally a fourth
dimension in which matter is "adddressed" (3X space, time and charge). In this case, charge is preserved ("memorized")
dimensionally, so that reassembling the Leydon jar restores the total atomic configuration. Metaphysical, perhaps, but the model
simplifies a lot of complexity in physics. Dr. Sung endorses the crystal lattice as representing reality (granular space-time-charge)
except that matter doesn't actually move through a lattice; instead, defects in the lattice ARE what we perceive as matter and
movement is a fiction of our observation as time advances from location to location. A qualitative and quantitative analysis pdf is
available (300 pages) for anyone interested.
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by Solar Tue Mar 30, 2010 7:09 pm
Jaythree wrote:First principle: never trust anyone in a white lab coat
As for an explanation, I always prefer Dr. James Sung's model, in which charge is not a property of matter but literally a fourth
dimension in which matter is "adddressed" (3X space, time and charge). In this case, charge is preserved ("memorized")
dimensionally, so that reassembling the Leydon jar restores the total atomic configuration. Metaphysical, perhaps, but the model
simplifies a lot of complexity in physics. Dr. Sung endorses the crystal lattice as representing reality (granular space-time-charge)
except that matter doesn't actually move through a lattice; instead, defects in the lattice ARE what we perceive as matter and
movement is a fiction of our observation as time advances from location to location. A qualitative and quantitative analysis pdf is
available (300 pages) for anyone interested.
I'll take a link for that Jay. I'm curious regarding 'motion' as put forth in your reference (especially as regarding the lattice) and am
amenable to other things you've mentioned. There may be some insights to Aspden's use of the word "dissolve". I only think that
I may understand what Aspden meant. If it is what I think it is then "motion" is an even more interesting dynamic than the
perception/observation of an object 'moving' through "space". PM it or otherwise and thank you.
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by junglelord Tue Mar 30, 2010 8:53 pm
I agree with the fundamental idea that the aether is the source of all the properties of matter.
I would put it in the fifth, not the fourth dimension.
Aether is a RMF of extremely high frequency and quantum spin.
This magnetic field exhibts the properties that we are putting fourth!
Two magnets reveal this field. It is that simple
A field that is everywhere and matter expresses its fundamental properties as well as shows us the field itself.
Just push two magnets together or try to pull them apart, that field is not from the matter. The field exists unto itself and is the
matrix or 3-6-9 fundamental. That field is the source of matters properties. It is a mirror image of what they teach. Matter does
not create a field, it is created BY THE FIELD and exists in the field.
Wireless technology is due to the fact the field is the matrix, not the matter of technology.
This is why longitudinal scalar waves exist....it is NOT matter that "makes/creates" them, although it can "induce" them as Tesla
realized, so it is the aether itself being manipulated, not matter making the field.
This field endows all matter with the properties that eletrons and protons exhibit, namely mass, charge, frequency - wavelength,
light speed, spherical geometry (length-width-height).
Magnets are the perfect example of this theory and that can only have two sources.
They can say that matter makes the field, by aligning themself, but they cannot prove that.
They will however stick to it like a Law.
I cannot prove it, but I say the field is everywhere, and matter like a magnet allows access to that field.
It is that simple, just change your view of the source of the magnetic field.
If you do that, and it is not a sin to try, then your world view turns inside out.
Just like making the universe electric and not gravitational.
The simple answer is what my gut always told me, the field is everywhere, the magnets do not make this field.
Thats my theory and I am sticking too it.
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by junglelord Sat Jan 16, 2010 11:52 am
Want to see how a capacitor really works?
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by seasmith Sun Jan 17, 2010 9:11 am
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by Corpuscles Sun Jan 17, 2010 1:58 pm
A simple but profound experiment!
(In my occasional play/amateur experiments with Leydon jars I have never thought to do that
It would be interesting if they had a gaussmeter (or like) to determine any magnetic effect in the
dielectric
Having thoroughly re read your ancient APM thread again (prompted by mod posting an unrelated link)
it also tends to verify Dave Thompsons claim that electrostatic and electromagnetic are two distinct
entities.
Will have to meditate on it more , but there are sure to be some very important implications to all this
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by junglelord Sun Jan 17, 2010 2:17 pm
Well the universe loves me, my son came home for the weekend, I taught him the Eric Dollard stuff,
and he made a grand insight!
If Dollard is correct, that the "insulator" is the conductor and the "conductor" is a reflector, then we
have it all wrong. I think the MIT experiment proves that. So lets go forward with that concept. If you
have a huge discharge you need not only a huge reflector but also a huge conductor. Since under
these intense conditions, bare metal wires explode AKA Z Pinch themself out of existance, you can see
why the modern Z Pinch is constructed the way it is and why Tesla made note in his lectures of the
"need" to immerse huge cables in baths of oil....
The oil not only allows the wire not to explode, it gives the charge somewhere to go...so it is not a
insulator, but a conductor of the Dielectric Field of the Aether and it makes sense if you consider and
understand at NO TIME does current flow in the middle of a wire/cable, but it exists in the space around
the "reflector cable" in the Aether.
Take a look at the news release of the day, how appropo.

The central vacuum chamber of the Z Machine, above, is 10ft in diameter and 20ft deep, surrounded
by banks of capacitors - the enormous 'batteries' used to store the charge that fire the machine.
When the wires that are inside the tiny 'target' are vaporised, the tungsten threads are forced to travel
inwards at a speed of over 3,000 miles per second, and the result is that enormous sudden release of
energy.
The powerful fluctuation in the magnetic field when the machine is discharged generates an electric
current in all the metallic objects in the chamber - hence the impressive lightning or 'arcs and sparks'
seen here.
The 36 cables feeding the energy pulse into the Z Machine are insulated by chambers containing two
million litres of insulating oil and two million litres of deionised water.
While the Z Machine can generate an extraordinary pulse of energy, it only does so for a tiny fraction
of a second - the power used is only enough to provide electricity for 100 houses for two minutes, and
is supplied by the local electricity company via a wall socket
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive ... z0cuGqkAzn

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive ... plant.html
I agree with Dollard that the Dielectric Field is not understood and has been left behind.
A quick google of Magneto-Dielectric gives a quick understanding that this is a domain of harmonic
quantum spin relationships and that it is a real domain that does exists and is the area of
metamaterials and Nanotechnology and the next secrect key of Quantum Effects at a Macroscale.
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by Orlando Sun Jan 17, 2010 5:40 pm

OMG, who was it that stated that it crawls on the surface of the skin (conductor) by-passing Vital
Organs!!
Wait,???????
oh ya Master Tesla
You think that that atmosphere was the insulator and his body the conducter, that's why he wore them
cork shoes
when doing his presentations lighting tubes and bulbs.
The truth hidden in plain site.
Or am I just a retard for mentioning that
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by tayga Mon Jan 25, 2010 4:49 am
I just stumbled into this thread and was prompted to look up Eric Dollard. His material raises a host of
questions for me and I really will have to do some basic study of electricity again because I think EU
might be easier to rationalise if we get away from particle-dependent models. I think trying to
incorporate a particle model into the EU throws up relativistic problems i.e. it probably compounds
errors and obscures the simplicity.
Just my thoughts, I'm not a physicist but a chemist. However, I'm now more convinced than ever that
there is a universe of undiscovered technology in electrostatics.
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by Orlando Sun Feb 21, 2010 6:31 am
Hey JL what do you make of this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EB-jWfzkz_E
He shows some properties of Capacitors that i wanted your insight on.
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by Corpuscles Wed Mar 03, 2010 5:48 am
junglelord wrote:Want to see how a capacitor really works?
Hey JL
Have you ever noticed or read Benjamin Franklins original letters?
Several can be found here
http://history-world.org/benjamin_franklin_experiments_wi.htm
Check this out:
Watson's paper is dated January 21, 1748; Franklin's July 11, 1747,
several months prior. Shortly after Franklin, from his principles of the plus
and minus state, explained in a satisfactory manner the phenomena of the
Leyden vial, first observed by Mr. Cuneus, or by Professor Muschenbroeck, of
Leyden, which had much perplexed philosophers. He showed clearly that when
charged the bottle contained no more electricity than before, but that as much
was taken from one side as was thrown on the other; and that to discharge it
nothing was necessary but to produce a communication between the two sides, by
which the equilibrium might be restored, and that then no sign of electricity
would remain. He afterward demonstrated by experiments that the electricity
did not reside in the coating, as had been supposed, but in

the pores of the
glass itself. After a vial was charged he removed the
coating, and found that
upon applying a new coating the shock might still be
received. In the year
1749 he first suggested his idea of explaining the phenomena of thunder-gusts
and of the aurora borealis upon electrical principles. He points out many
particulars in which lightning and electricity agree, and he adduces many

facts, and reasonings from facts, in support of his positions.
Wow. He knew it BACK then!

Fascinating. The insulator !
Sure he was dealing with electrostatic charges!
But, has the implications perhaps also, that as is widely known or suggested "electricity" is not in the
wire.... but merely the catalyst for dielectric to cause aetheral stresses producing e/m waves!?
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Great find and I am not surprised that Ben Franklin knew what I learned...we are all being lied to or
taught ignorant theories as fact.
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by Drethon Tue Mar 09, 2010 9:38 am
Corpuscles wrote:
junglelord wrote:Want to see how a capacitor really works?
Hey JL
Have you ever noticed or read Benjamin Franklins original letters?
Several can be found here
http://history-world.org/benjamin_franklin_experiments_wi.htm
Check this out:
Watson's paper is dated January 21, 1748; Franklin's July 11, 1747,
several months prior. Shortly after Franklin, from his principles of the plus
and minus state, explained in a satisfactory manner the phenomena of the
Leyden vial, first observed by Mr. Cuneus, or by Professor Muschenbroeck, of
Leyden, which had much perplexed philosophers. He showed clearly that when
charged the bottle contained no more electricity than before, but that as much
was taken from one side as was thrown on the other; and that to discharge it
nothing was necessary but to produce a communication between the two sides, by
which the equilibrium might be restored, and that then no sign of electricity
would remain. He afterward demonstrated by experiments that the electricity
did not reside in the coating, as had been supposed, but in

the pores of the
glass itself. After a vial was charged he removed the
coating, and found that
upon applying a new coating the shock might still be

received. In the year
1749 he first suggested his idea of explaining the phenomena of thunder-gusts
and of the aurora borealis upon electrical principles. He points out many
particulars in which lightning and electricity agree, and he adduces many
facts, and reasonings from facts, in support of his positions.
Wow. He knew it BACK then!

Fascinating. The insulator !
Sure he was dealing with electrostatic charges!
But, has the implications perhaps also, that as is widely known or suggested "electricity" is not in the
wire.... but merely the catalyst for dielectric to cause aetheral stresses producing e/m waves!?
Sounds not too different from the idea of creating LichtenBerg figures. The insulator stores the charge
until a conductor can discharge it...
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by jacmac Thu Mar 18, 2010 9:03 am
I saw the MIT video and was impressed, then I saw this explanation below at this site.
http://amasci.com/emotor/cap1.html
"Do you believe that the energy in a capacitor is trapped permanently in the dielectric? Many people
do. Their belief is caused by a famously misleading experiment called "Dissectable Leyden Jar." It's an
experiment which involves high voltage and corona discharge. The effect it purports to prove does not
occur in capacitors at lower voltages.
First charge up a Leyden jar using a Wimshurst Machine (or other source of high voltage.) Now,
carefully remove the inner metal from the jar. Now remove the outer metal. Discharge everything, then
hand the parts around the classroom. Next, put the parts together again, connect the two metal
cylinders, and BANG!, there is a loud discharge.
Doesn't this prove that the energy in a capacitor is stored in the dielectric? No.
Whenever you take apart a Leyden jar or other high voltage capacitor, there is a corona effect which
makes very strange things occur. When you electrify a Leyden jar, and then you pull the inner metal
cylinder out of the jar, the capacitance value drops, and this makes the potential difference skyrocket
to enormous levels. The potential tries to become huge but it cannot, because instead it creates
corona along the metal edges, and and it leaks the excess charge into the air. This corona allows the
opposite electrical charges to "paint" themselves onto both sides of the dielectric "jar" surface. So, if
you pull a leyden jar apart, the sharp edges of the metal plates sweep along and transfer a large
percentage of the separated charges from the metal plates to the glass surfaces. The energy is still
there! It's still stored as a field in the dielectric, but those separated charges are not on the mental
plates anymore. Instead they are now TRAPPED ON THE GLASS SURFACE! Strange idea, huh? A
capacitor with no plates, just a dielectric.
Now reassemble the Leyden jar: momentarily touch each metal plate to ground, and put it back
together again. You'll find that it's still strongly electrified! The trapped charges on the glass surface
can still induce equal charges on the adjacent metal plates. Touch the two terminals with your fingers
and BOOM!, the momentary current in your muscles will throw you across the room.
This strange effect leads many people to claim that the energy in a capacitor is permanently trapped
in the dielectric, and that it is not stored in the electric field. This is wrong.
In order to properly perform the take-apart capacitor experiment, you must execute the entire
demonstration inside a big tank full of oil. This prevents the corona discharges from spewing charges
from the edges of the plate onto the dielectric. "
So now I don't know??? What about this metal edge transfer???

Jack
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by Corpuscles Thu Mar 18, 2010 6:38 pm
Jack
Good find. I really enjoy Bill Beatys stuff.... BUT a few comments
Bill's "oil bath" hypothesis (counter "proof") IMHO..... is completely wrong or at least redundant.
In doing such, he (if he ever did do it?) is destroying the very nature of a capacitor. The oil is more (or
prhaps equal) dielelctric than the glass or chosen container... it would in that case ....NOW, no longer
be a capacitor!
The "corona" IS the electricity. It is always present ...external to the conductor...however in the
primative Leydon jar (FUN to play with) that field is channeled /transferred to the glass/dielectric as it
is .....the closest preferred medium for the aetheric flow .
Consider this: THE capactitor will store MORE electricity (without exceeding the expolosive limit) when
the thinner the dielectric separating the plates! Why?
I suggest that given only one side of a Leydon jar is subject to charge via the metalic media that offers
the initial resistance to create the tension and field flow we call "electricity" or in this case
"electrostatic charge".
IT CANNOT ..NEVER...FLOW INSIDE the conductor.... it (field ) hits the other non charged external
metalic coating and is restrained and rebounded (contained ) in into the dielectic
Why? When MUCH too high a charge or voltage is applied to a Leydon jar does the dielectric shatter or
fail FIRST????
Why? doesn't the so called "conductor" (thin foil in my experiments) FAIL or adversely react FIRST?
That is what we would expect if the electricity is in the conductor.
IT's dielectric medium is closest in nature to, and has more aether.Conductive metals are molecular
lattices which provide the resistance to create aetheric tension, which induces electricity. Electricity
prefers a pure vacuum, next dielectric then least of all conductive metals.. but that conductive
resistance is the only way we can exert pressure/tension on the equilibrium to either create or cause
directional flow of "electricity"
The process Bill describes is what happens naturally inside a capacitor! You don't have to take it apart
to achieve that by his mysterious "build up to infinity" of potential.
There is NO residual charge left on the connected removed conductive plates...Why not?
OK I have ranted on (don't worry someone with a rote degree will shoot me down)....sorry
Please ,if interested ,google up what you can about.... Eric Dollard.... both he a Tesla were certain the
"electricity" does not flow within the conductor but external (from skin "Metal edges") outwards .
Somewhere I have found but cannot at this time seen Dollard explain this clearly by experiment.
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by Drethon Fri Mar 19, 2010 7:40 am
One thing my father pointed out to me (he is an electrical engineer, I'm just a computer engineer) is
there are different type of capacitors as well. With static electricity, electrons can be stored in an
insulator. On the other hand with non-static electricity the plates conductors themselve do hold the
opposing charges.
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by jacmac Fri Mar 19, 2010 9:21 am
I was wondering about a way to demonstrate what is really going on, because I don't know.
Is the dielectric field that holds the charge occupying the same space as the dielectric or has the
dielectric material itself been changed to hold the charge???
Theoretical experiment:
A capacitor has two conductor plates and a glass dielectric. Charge the capacitor. Slowly move the
plates apart far enough to get out of the "corona" range. Then remove the glass. Return the plates to
the original position. Is the "charge" still in the two plates or did it leave with the glass???
Any thoughts.
Is "static " electricity different after it is collected or just collected in a different manner??
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by Solar Fri Mar 19, 2010 8:54 pm

CAPACITANCE
The phenomena of capacitance is a type of electrical energy storage in the form of a field in an
enclosed space. This space is typically bounded by two parallel metallic plates or two metallic foils on
an intervening insulator or dielectric. A nearly infinite variety of more complex structures can exhibit
capacity, as long as a difference in electric potential exists between various areas of the structure...
CAPACITANCE INADEQUATELY EXPLAINED
The perception of capacitance as used today is wholly inadequate for the proper understanding of this
effect. Steinmetz mentions this in his introductory book Electric Discharges, Waves and Impulses. To
quote, "Unfortunately, to large extent in dealing with dielectric fields the prehistoric conception of the
electrostatic charge (electron) on the conductor still exists, and by its use destroys the analogy
between the two components of the electric field, the magnetic and the dielectric, and makes the
consideration of dielectric fields unnecessarily complicated."
LINES OF FORCE AS REPRESENTATION OF DIELECTRICITY
Steinmetz continues, "There is obviously no more sense in thinking of the capacity current as current
which charges the conductor with a quantity of electricity, than there is of speaking of the inductance
voltage as charging the conductor with a quantity of magnetism. But the latter conception, together
with the notion of a quantity of magnetism, etc., has vanished since Faraday's representation of the
magnetic field by lines of force."
DIELECTRIC ENERGY STORAGE SPATIALLY DIFFERENT THAN MAGNETIC ENERGY STORAGE
Unlike magnetism the energy is forced or compressed inwards rather than outwards. Dielectric
lines of force push inward into internal space and along axis, rather than pushed outward
broadside to axis as in the magnetic field. Because the lines are mutually repellent certain
amounts of broadside or transverse motion can be expected but the phenomena is basically
longitudinal. This gives rise to an interesting paradox that will be noticed with capacity. This is that the
smaller the space bounded by the conducting structure the more energy that can be stored. This is the
exact opposite of magnetism...
ANOTHER FORM OF ENERGY APPEARS
Through the rapid discharge of inductance a new force field appears that reduces the rate of inductive
EMF formation. This field is also represented by lines of force but these are of a different nature than
those of magnetism. These lines of force are not a manifestation of current flow but of an electric
compression or tension. This tension is termed voltage or potential difference.- BORDERLAND
SCIENCES RESEARCH FOUNDATION
So a longitudinally 'inbound electric compression or tension' as relates the dielectric substance. Similar
to what Franklin noted with "in the pores of the glass itself" - but "pores" are holes that admit passage
of something.
Farady on Dielectric:
Dielectric as bearer of the electric field
If the plate A in Fig. 446 is loaded to a given potential V, while only air separates it from B, it accepts a
certain amount of electricity. If you then fill the space between it and B with paraffin or glass or any
other insulating substance, it will accept a larger amount of electricity than before, in order to attain
the same potential. These observations guided Faraday away from action at a distance of electric
forces to new views of the nature of induction.
He started from his insight that a magnetized bar, which is broken into two pieces, always yields two
new magnets, each with a North pole and a South pole (Fig. 448). You can conceive that the entire
magnet NS consist of small magnets ns, whence the magnetisation of a piece of iron is eventually
reduced to its single molecules. Faraday then assumed that due to the electrification of the conductor
there arises in the bounding insulator- he calls it dielectric - an electric state, because there form
similarly in the molecules of the insulator positive and negative poles, which on their part act on the
adjoining conductor (Fig. 449).
Let A be a positively, B a negatively charged conductor and ab a row of molecules of the insulator
between A and B. Once the poles in the molecules have formed - Faraday calls this state dielectric
polarization - pairs of neighbouring molecules in the same row turn towards each other opposite poles
and attract each other and the ends a and b attract A and B. Thus, as a result of its polarization, the
rows of molecules ab form of a band, which tends to contract and bring the electrified bodies A and B
closer together; every other row of molecules between A and B does the same. Hence there exists a
tendency to contract in the direction AB.
The state of tension, into which an insulator enters, is a main property of the electric field. The lines,
along which the polarized molecules of the insulator contract each other are nothing else but the lines
of force, along which a freely movable, charged molecule moves in an electrical field. As a rule, these
lines of force are not straight, but more or less curved. Moreover, it is of no consequence whether the
space between the two conductors is occupied by air or another (solid, fluid or gaseous) insulator. All
these ideas took Faraday away from the concept of direct action of electric forces at a distance; he
replaced this concept by a theory, according to which action of a force is transferred by dielectric
polarization of the intermediate medium. He employed the words:
"Here the most important among the deductions from the concept that induction is a molecular
process is the suspected action along curved lines, for if this could be uniquely established, I cannot
see how the old theory of sole action along straight lines at a distance could be maintained or how the
conclusion that ordinary induction is an action between adjacent particles can be rejected." Moreover,
he wrote: "One can conceive by means of lines of force the external force, which starts from an electric
body and reaches into the distance. The lines or the forces, which they represent, remain conserved as
long as they are inside of or penetrate an insulating medium. They propagate until they encounter a
conducting substance, on which they excite an equally large state, which is opposite to that of their
source and of equivalent degree, and in this way their insulation finds a border or they continue, if no
such body is present."
Faraday proved over and over again by new facts: During polarization, the dielectric is decisive, the
conductor has only the role of the border of the dilelectric. Inside the dielectric, the positive charge of
one molecule neutralizes the negative charge of its neighbour on the line of force. Only when the
dielectric reaches a conductor, the charge is detected - the charge of the conductor. In a line of force,
for example, in the row of molecules ab (Fig. 449), the starting point on the conductor A and its end
point on the conductor B signify charges, and indeed corresponding points.
Modern ideas of the nature of dielectric polarization
Today we view (on the basis of substantially extended knowledge of electric processes) electricity as
something corpular; we ascribe to it atomic structure and assume existence of positive and negative
elementary particles of a definite size. According to this concept, the positive (negative) charge of the
conductor A (B) (Fig. 449) is identical to a layer of positive (negative) elementary particles on its
surface . The end points of the lines of force, linking opposite charges, carry accordingly on the one
hand positive and on the other hand negative particles. Elementary particles can be considered to be
two elements - we denote them by (-) and (+) - with which other elements can bond (some with (+) ,
others with (-) , for example, the compounds H(+) and K(+) - a hydrogen ion and a potassium ion -, the
compounds Cl(-) - a chlorine ion -and write them, in order to distinguish them from uncharged atoms
H+,Cl-. etc.), but which can also bond with each other into (+)(-) - a neutral particle.
According to the view of the structure of matter in 1935, its atoms consist of positive and negative
elementary particles; an atom is not charged, if the sum of the positive elementary charges equals the
sum of the negative ones. However, if the particles are separated from each other, as Fig. 449
indicates (dipole), then there occurs inside the dielectric that state of tension, which we have
described above, and on the bounding layer forms a free charge.
(...)
Dielectric constant
A dielectric intermediates by its polarization interaction between two charged conductors. Interpreted
according to Faraday, the electric field infiltrates the dielectric, which is internally polarized and
charged on its boundaries. The thinner the layer of the dielectric, the closer are the charges interlinked
and the smaller is their interaction wit the outside. For example, if you rub glass and silk together and
leave them in contact with each other, they do not at all affect an electroscope; only after they are
separated, each of them acts on the electroscope and the more strongly, the further away it is from
the oppositely charged body.- K2 Electricity
So, Faraday proposes polarization of the molecular lattice of the dielectric substance because it is
initially overall "neutral". But then he says that they "... remain conserved as long as they are inside of
or penetrate an insulating medium. They propagate until they encounter a conducting substance" ...
"in this way their insulation finds a border or they continue, if no such body is present."
The 'continuation' is the interesting part. Separating the silk from the glass is when the electric field
affects the electroscope. The further apart the more-so it does so. This could be attributed to the
polarization of the air molecules between the silk and the glass. But those air molecules aren't static.
No matter how hard the wind blows the "field" stays. Since "space" is not 'empty' it would seem that
something would always be available to be 'polarized' and subsequently recognized as a "field" i.e. the
polarized region around an object.
If the aether is 'fluid' does the 'polarization' happen on the fly as it passes?
"Once physicist grabbed hold of electricity all knowledge of it ceased. Electrons have nothing to do
with the flow of electricity. Electrons are the rate at which electricity is destroyed. Electrons are the
resistance." - Eric Dollard

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