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#19283 - 07/16/08 12:52 AM

Pressure balanced expansion joint angular stiffness

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baboo
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Hi all,

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I am trying to model correctly a pressure balanced expansion joint in CAESAR

(with elbow, not in line). I thought that as they have more than two tie rods
joining its ends, the bending stiffness should be very high (rigid).

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Trying to know a bit more I have found a very interesting paper in the website of
Pathway (http://www.pathwayb.com/Downloads/Manage...%20Programs.pdf),
that includes table 1, according to which all angular movements (X,Y,Z) are
possible for pressure balanced expansion joints.
But if both ends of the expanion joint are linked with more than two tie rods, I
can't see how angular movements are allowed. Any suggestion or clarification?

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Re: Pressure balanced expansion joint angular stiffness [Re: baboo]#19316 - 07/16/08 01:10 PM
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Thank you for your help.

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Please look any image for the expansion joint you describe. The rods go over two
bellows elements and the centre piece is therefore "free". You may see some
brackets between the rods and the elbow but they are not there to prevent
angular movement.
This kind of bellows is quite nice design but can give grey hair to bellows
designer. That balansing bellows together with long rods can be difficult to
support. If you plan to use one, especially large size/high pressure please talk to
reliable supplier.

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#48062 - 03/29/12 05:43 AM

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please I am trying to model a pressure balanced expansion joint in CAESAR

with elbow, can you help me i didnt found any example
Thank you

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Re: Pressure balanced expansion joint angular stiffness [Re: baboo]#48077 - 03/29/12 09:33 PM
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Open a Support Request on eCustomer and ask for this model.

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Hello Mr Richard Ay or Dave Diehl

I wanted to get this caesar file for pressure balanced EJ checked by caesar
techincal guy because there is limited info on how to model pressure balanced EJ
in your techncal guide. Please help or suggest someone who can help me !
Attachments
pressure elbow EJ.C2 (38 downloads)

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Re: Pressure balanced expansion joint angular stiffness [Re: baboo]#50994 - 09/24/12 02:00 PM
Dan Edgar
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Dear Sassimec,
It is the general policy of this blog that we do not review / approve specific pipe
models. The blog is more for discussions regarding problems / bugs with the
program and therefore the type of support you are requesting is beyond the
scope of this blog. Thats the bad news, the good news is that since the model is
almost entirely related expansion joints you can get assistance at Pathways blog
at sfpathway.com under the ask the expert tab. Since Ill be handling your
request at Pathway, Ill go ahead and send you my initial comments via a
personal e-mail.
Dan Edgar, Pathway
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Re: Pressure balanced expansion joint angular stiffness [Re: baboo]#50995 - 09/24/12 02:07 PM
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Whoops! Sassimec, you have private messages blocked on your profile, so I wont
be able to respond to you. You can either submit your request at Pathways web
blog or contact me directly via the e-mail address in my profile. Sorry for the
delay.
Dan Edgar, Pathway
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#51004 - 09/25/12 02:17 AM

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Thank you Dan Edgar for your quickly response , you can send me your comment
by mail sessi.mohamed@hotmail.fr

Edited by sassimec (09/25/12 02:19 AM)

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the pressure at the balancing bellows elements (behind bend) must be zero,when
i put this pressure, the restraint on the column and evaporator nozzles will be
very hight value, when i change it to 3.5 bar, all restraint are ok, i don't
understand this phenomenon. Please any advice or solution.
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#51071 - 09/28/12 11:45 AM

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Mohamed,
Ive tried numerous times to respond to your latest e-mail and it keeps being
rejected. Im not sure if its on my side or yours, so Ill respond here.
I reviewed your model and it appears to be operating properly. Remember that
CAESAR II will exaggerate the deflected scale to better visualize the deflected
position of your model. Given this, I dont see any problem. I check the bellows
input data and it appears that all of the input is acceptable. The balancing bellows
axial spring rate is approaching the minimum SR Id recommend for this service
and if your model can take it Id recommend you make it the same as the line
bellows.
Dan Edgar

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