Heavy Recruitment of Chinese Students Sows

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Ryan Hoover subscriber6 days ago
this is a really relevant topic, I'm glad it's getting some attention in the public conscious. I just
started at Portland State in Oregon, and my randomly assigned dorm roommate is a Chinese
student. He's a nice guy and we get along fine, but there are obvious cultural differences beside
the huge hurdle of the language barrier. Some stuff he does just baffles me, but it's usually little
things. Mostly I notice that he is isolated from the rest of campus culture, and that the Chinese
students in general stick together, furthering that divide. They stay in groups, speak Chinese,
celebrate Chinese holidays and don't bother with American holidays, go on Chinese social
media, watch Chinese movies and tv and okay Chinese games, even watch Chinese broadcasts of
American sporting events, and absolutely zero interest in American news and politics. He makes
little to no effort outside of his English program assignments, which are elementary at best, to
learn any English. My roomier claims to have been in the US two years now but it is a chore just
to listen to him tell me how his afternoon was. He never even goes out to explore the city! Video
games and naps. What I see is the Chinese students not trying to integrate, instead choosing to
carve out a bubble in their new environment hat can be populated by everything else Chinese that
they left behind. Almost like they never left. Globalizing lol

The foreign students see a US degree as a ticket to a better life and possibly a way to emigrate in
the US, a much happier place to live than China. The universities see the foreign students as a
new cash source, possibly excluding US students in the process. The core issue is not a language
gap, or failure to assimilate or anything else. It is that students from Confucianist cultures like
China are taught from a young age by memorizing rather than analyzing and solving, and are
trained never to challenge authority no matter how mistaken it is. These students come to the US,
where their performance is judged on their ability to analyze, and they struggle in US classes.
The moral imperative is to educate US kids first. Then, perhaps, build more universities to keep
tuition low through competition.
https://normsaysno.wordpress.com/2016/03/19/u-s-universities-souring-on-students-from-china/

This article is biased. Not all Chinese or international students are rich and dumb. There are
many very smart international kids too. We find them everywhere - doctors, money managers,
consultants, lawyers, engineers etc. Language and culture is an initial barrier but people do come
around that and have proved to be very successful.

It's just a cheap way to make money from spoiled rich Chinese kids who are desperate to get out
of China before everything falls apart. A US degree is seen as a passport to a job and visa, but it's
not always turning out that way.I've been in classes with these Chinese students. They can't
speak English, they cluster together and share all of their work (that's called cheating, but in
China, cheating is just a tactic). None of them are learning anything unless the primary work was
numerical.If you're not proficient in English, it's ridiculous that you'd be accepted to an
American university. It's doing no good for these Chinese students and is just cheapening the
college experience for others.
As a 2015 grad of one of the universities mentioned in this article, I can comment fully on how
much these international students have affected my and my fellow students' academic
experiences. The issue is not with high level classes or grad programs, it is with the introductory
weed-out classes like Accounting 101 where the international students are a distraction in the
classroom (on their phones, talking in Chinese), they do not participate in group work, and they
blatantly cheat on tests. Teachers and they administration do not take measures to stop this
behavior because they are paying more, putting other students behind and limiting opportunities
for those who are actually putting effort in.
As a university professor I have taught substantial numbers of chinese students both here and
abroad, and recruited chinese students to my university. Some insights. You become a better
instructor when you reflect on how you can convey your course material to different cultural
groups, possessing different language competencies. I have simplified my messages without
dumbing-down the material. As in any competitive environment, professors - as producers make continuous improvements by stretching their skill-sets. I use group work with a different
mix of students for each assignment to force people out of their cliques. This benefits both the
local and int'l students.Diverse work groups often produce better solutions through a natural
dialectic. Students reconcile the different perspectives and often arrive at more creative solutions
to problems.

I think there is a lot of prejudice here. I was a foreign student at US Uni's, and I speak pretty
good English. In my early days, most Americans sort of were unprepared to converse with me,
because they thought they can't understand me. The prejudice is that I don't know English, at
least well enough. On me striking a conversation, the immediate comment was, "How do you
speak such good English?". I can only answer it saying, well, I am well educated, and my
education was in English. When, my final project for my Strategic Management course was
judged the best in my class, even my professor asked, except for the fact, that you write long
sentences, where did you learn your English writing skills!!. My point is, most Americans pigeon
hole a foreign citizen with their prejudice. But yes programs like a semester to prepare for
language and culture, host family programs, do help is integrating and giving the foreigner a
great experience, for which they come to US, most anyway.

As a foreign student from Asia who came to the U.S. for a university education, I can relate to
the issues highlighted in this article. I quickly discovered that if I wanted to fully learn and
benefit from the experience, I needed to adapt, integrate and contribute, and not expect special
treatment. Having a sufficient command of English is required -- perhaps universities need to get
tougher on ensuring this before accepting students who will otherwise struggle or fail.

I never saw an instance where Chinese students benefited a class room experience. They keep to
each other and say little. But, they become quite animated with each other while eating out. The
rest of the time they seem to think Americans are some sort of zoo creature to be observed. My
reaction to some was not all that good because they can't seem to create and think on their feet.
Even if you take the time to discuss something their prior education was entirely a process of
memorizing and forgetting, memorizing and forgetting. In some cases we discovered that their
"advanced degrees" from China were a joke. Math is not English. It is its own language and they
often pretended to know statistics or the like when actually they knew little.

One problem they didn't mention in the article is that the Chinese students bring their Chinese
ethical framework with them. That is, they all cheat like crazy. My Chinese-American math
professor in my graduate economics program would make a a little announcement the first day of
every class. He explained that anyone caught cheating would not only fail the class but he would
ensure that they were expelled from the program. Just to be certain the message got across he
made the announcement in both English and Mandarin.
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The underlying theme here (not just the article by my experience in China and what I've learned
from people working with study abroad kids) is that the Chinese students don't contribute to the
educational environment aside from the tuition paid. The article is absolutely right about Chinese
students just taking courses where the primary reading are in Chinese. Without them, many/most
would fail. Chinese students (particularly mainlanders) deliberately take classes that other
Chinese students are taking so that they can copy notes, papers, assignments, etc. They don't talk
in class and do not mix with the population. They are not improving the educational environment
and have no interest in doing so.Many of the Chinese exchange students cheat, and cheating is
rampant in China. (http://tinyurl.com/qh4s3b). In fact, many of the students gain admission based
on inaccurate (or outright fraudulent) applications. It's no wonder many of them
struggle.(http://tinyurl.com/j8svpo6).

The chinese will inherit the earth... and the US. Whites are destined to perish: Football,
Oxycodone, Meth, Pick up trucks, Beer every night, and above all: liberalism. Blacks: Guns,
drugs, calling women baby mamas & Ho's and whining about white privilege. Latinos:
Overestimating their contribution, voting here for the same politicians that made them emigrate
from their home countries, and keeping their "customs" and "traditions", violence and total, total
ignorance of history
Fascism has some specific characteristics that are consistent with the policies of the present
Chinese regime. It has nothing to do with "like" or "dislike". You seem to be hung up on the
generic use of the word as a pejorative, rather than a description of a specific political movement.
1. State-controlled economy, rejecting "unproductive" capitalism, while accepting productive
capitalism, operating under close state supervision 2. Authoritarian control of the media,
repression of dissent. 3. Emphasis on nationalism, patriotism and solidarity. 4. Rejection of
bourgeois individualism and liberalism 4.Single party political system 5. Strong belief in military
dominance and the use of force to achieve political goals. It is no coincidence that these
principles were first defined by an ex-Marxist and then practiced successfully today by two exMarxist regimes.

What is most disturbing is that they are not prepared for American university rigor, let alone they
are not competent in the English language! Meanwhile, our kids need to be perfect to gain
acceptance to CA state schools, the best of which have acceptance rates of 17% or less as 20% of
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the slots go to international applicants who pay 2-3 times our tuition. What about the high CA
state taxes we have been paying our whole lives? That should fit into the equation of who is
funding these schools.
Every foreign student accepted into an American university displaces an American student. This
is particularly problematic in our top engineering schools, that are highly desired by foreigners.
At one time this was justified by an engineering shortage, and the likelihood that these students
would find jobs here. Today, these students return home to attractive jobs, with American
training. Highly qualified Americans are turned away, perhaps to attend lower ranked schools.
What we need is a uniform pressure placed on these schools to place more priority on education
of American students and and a lower priority on cash flow.
Overall, the Chinese, Koreans, and Japanese are going to have a much tougher time assimilating
from a linguistic perspective because of the very contrasting language structures. There aren't
"alphabets" in those languages like in Latin or Cyrillic languages. Hell, if I had to learn
Mandarin or Arabic, I'd probably go insane. I applaud those who can master multiple languages.
I wish our country would intensively teach children to be multi-lingual in schools like in various
other nations, but perhaps there is no need when the rest of the developed world is able to
communicate effectively in English. Overall, the Chinese, Koreans, and Japanese are going to
have a much tougher time assimilating from a linguistic perspective because of the very
contrasting language structures. There aren't "alphabets" in those languages like in Latin or
Cyrillic languages. Hell, if I had to learn Mandarin or Arabic, I'd probably go insane. I applaud
those who can master multiple languages. I wish our country would intensively teach children to
be multi-lingual in schools like in various other nations, but perhaps there is no need when the
rest of the developed world is able to communicate effectively in English.

Speaking of assimilation, it is almost impossible to blend in with the majority of Americans

when you did not spend at least high school within the U.S. It does not matter how good your
English is, or how fluent you are in U.S. culture. It does not even matter if you are super
confident and energetic. You speak and behave differently, and others can tell. Many first
generation Chinese who have lived and worked in the U.S. for decades still spend the majority of
their social life with other Chinese. My former landlord, a lady from Taiwan, said that she still
does not understand the laugh points when her mixed blood daughter and her American husband
watched TV shows. She came to the U.S. during the 1970s. So many Chinese students still fly to
U.S. universities despite the loneliness and social barrier they will face is telling about the

quality of Chinese higher education, especially when Taiwan, Japan and South Korea all
experienced a decrease in their oversea students.

Facts: 1. Many rich Chinese students enter the American higher education nowadays just because
they are not competitive enough to enter the good colleges in China and the U.S. colleges set the
recruiting bars so low that if you can afford the tuition you can get your garbage degree. 2. It's all
about the Money. Even some top-tier business schools have more than 60% of their recruitment
from China. And the reason is American students just couldn't afford the tuition. Most of the
public schools will go bankrupt if it's not for those international students. 3. The rich Chinese
students are also highly disappointed. With thousands of dollar spending and garbage diplomas,
they can't even speak fluent English let alone acquire other useful skills or critical thinking
abilities; they can't find a good job even back to China. People are greatly despise the poorly
qualified students studied abroad and then come back in China.

You are right. I am still a believer of American education and always appreciate the great higher
education I had here. I was just an exam machine when I was in China. Your academic
achievements and critical thinking skills ultimately depend on yourself. But I am worry about
this country's education that totally turn into a corrupt business and how degraded the campus
cultures are. It's not hard to graduate from a normal public school and the campus life is all about
party, drinking, dope and sports... The normal American families can't afford the expensive
tuition. And the staffs can still make a fortune out of this chaos. I don't want to see one of the
cornerstone of the country collapsing in front of our eyes.