A CRITIQUE OF TWO

ALLEGATION OF
ENGINEER ALI: MIRZA:
OF JHELUM CITY ON
SAIYIDUNA: IMA:M IBN
TAIMIAH RH [d:1328 AC]
MM SINDHI
[Pick the date]
A CRITIC OF ALI: MIRZA:]

ENGINEER ALI MIRZA AND HIS CLAIM THAT IMAM IBN TAIMIAH COMMITED KUFR
[ASTTAGHFARULLAH]
Engineer Ali: Mirza does not believe that Ima:m ibn Taimiah RH: is a Muslim rather
he believes that Ima:m ibn Taimiah is a Ka:fir.
This may be an effect of Takfiri: Minded Zubair , the former teacher or master if
Engineer Ali: Mirza.
Engineer Ali Mirza: claims that that he does not declare Ima:m Ibn Taimiah RD: as
kafir since it is he might have repented prior to his death.
This implies that if ima:m Ibn Taimiah RD: did not repent , then he dies as a Ka:fir.
That is what this person namely Engineer Ali: Mirza: to do. This is a conspiracy of
pragmatic mind of Ali: Mirza: of Jhelum. He want to convince his audiences and his
viewers that Ima:m Ibn Taimiah RD: committed a Kufr with Certainty and certitude.
[ astaghfarullah].
One of the objections conceived in the mind of the Objection Maker [Ali Mirza:] is
that Ima:m Ibn Taimiah RD: IS THAT:=

Ima:m Ibn Taimiah believes that the Temporals

[H:AVA:DITH:] are beginning- less, and there is no first
temporal existent.
Engineer Ali Mirza: claims that this is a Kufr with Certainty.
It appears that the objection of Ali: Mirza: must be analyzed in several
preliminaries.

First Preliminary:=
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Ima:m Ibn Taimiah RD: and the Dogmas

of PreExistence and Eternity of Divine
Essence [ALL-H ] and Divine Atrributes.
An Infinite Back Word Series Of Temporals [H:ava:dith:] implies that To Each and Every Temporal Thing there is a Temporal Thing Prior to It.
But no member of the Infinite Series is Temporal [Non Eternal]. The following are the Implied Results of this belief.
1] ALL-H is INFINITE Prior to Each and Every Temporal Thing in the Infinite Back Ward Series.
2] The Divine Attributes Of ALL-H are Infinitely Prior to Each and Every Temporal Existng tThing in the Infinite Back Ward SeriesSereis .
3] The Series Does not Reache to Eternity Since No Member of the Series is Eternal. In other Words , there is an Infinite series of H:ava:dith:; and
to each and every H:a:dith: of the Infinite series of H:va:dith there is a H:a:dith: Prior to it . Yet none of the member of the infinite Back Word Series
of H:ava:dith: is Eternal. So there is no member in the Infinite Back Ward Series that is Eternal , Yet it is in direction toward Eternity. But it never
reaches to Eternity, but always tends to the Eternity. Even the beginning-lesness of the series cannot imply the series to reach at Eternity.
MATHEMATICAL EXPLANATION:=
This concept can best be understood by MODERN MATHEMATICS.

For Example there are Infinite Many Real Numbers Prior to Any Arbitrarily Chosen Real Number say

0.

Yet none of the number in the set of Infinite Many Real Numbers Prior to the Number

0 is infinitely Prior to it i.e

0.
Like wise there are infinite many Temporals Prior to any given Temporal say
of them is Infinitely Prior to

0 .

yet none

Only Eternity and Eternals [Divine Essence and Divine

Attribibutes].
IMPLIESD RESULTS:=
A] This doeth Imply that the ETERNITY AND PREEXISTENCE OF DIVINE ESEENCE [ALL-H] AND DIVINE ATTRIBUTES ARE
PERPETUALLY AND ETERNALLY CONSERVED.
B] The infinite Back Ward Series is not Eternal since no member of the series is Eternal and the Necessary and
Sufficient Condition for an Infinite Series to Be Eternal is thatAtleast one of the Member of the Series is Eternal and
PreExistent.
DIFFERENCE FROM PHILOSOPHERS:=
Philosophers Of Islam Like Ibn Sina and Ibn Rushd believe that Some Temporals like the world or the Basic Matter
[Prime Matter] of the Cosmos is Eternal.
The False Impression.

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It does appear that an Infinite Series approaching towards Eternity reacheth Eternity and atleast one of the
Member of the series is Eternal. This is not the case .
SIMILARITYES AND DISSIMILARITY FROM MAJORITY OF AHLUSSUNNAH [ASHA:IRAH AND MATURIDIAH]
Similarity:
1] ALL-H and His Uncreated Attributes are infinitely Prior TO the Series of Temporals .
2] ALL-H and His Uncreated Attributes are PRE-EXISTENT AND ETERNAL NOT ONLY TO EACH MEMBER OF SERIES BUT TO THE
SERIESITSELF.
Dissimilarity
1] ALL-H and His Uncreated Attributes are infinitely Prior TO the Finite Series of Temprals as according to Majority of
Ahlussunnah and ALL-H and His Uncreated Attributes are infinitely Prior TO the Infinite Finite Series of Temprals
according to Minority of Ahlussunnah.
2] ATLEAT ONE TEMPORAL IS ACTULLY FIRST TEMPORAL according to Majority Of Ahlussunnah and any one of the
Temporal can be claimed to be Relatively First according to the Minority Of Ahlussunnah.
DECLARATION
Minority of Ahlussunnah Cannot be declared as Non Ahlussunnahj or as Kafir. Or Both. That is Extremism and
Kharjism. The saqme is true for Majority of Ahlussunnah.
We have tried to shew that Imam Ibn Taimiah RH: neither Denieth Eternity Of ALL-H naf His Uncreated Attributes Nor
Denieth Their Pre Existence as incorrectly assumed by Zubair Ali Zai and his Apostatre Student Engineer Ali Mirza:
of the Place called Jhelum.

Second
Preliminary:=
Ima:m Ibn Taimiah RD: believed that there is a difference between CREATION and Temporal.
According to him each and Every Creation is a Temporal but not Every Temporal is a Creation.
When he saith AL H:AVA:DITH: LA AUVALA LAHA: ;It means Temporals which are not Creations.
Such Temporals are Divine Acts. According to Ima:m Ibn Taimiah RD: Divine Attributes are Uncreated and Eternal
but Divine Acts are Not Eternal [Temporal] But also not Created.
One may summaries as follow:=

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1] Divine Essence [ ALL-H Subh:a:n-hu: Va Taa:la:] is Eternal, Pre Existent Continous and Uncreated .
2] Divine Uncreated AttributesOf ALL-H [ ALL-H Subh:a:n-hu: Va Taa:la:] Are Eternal, Pre Existent Continous and
Uncreated .
3]Divine Nouns Of ALL-H [ ALL-H Subh:a:n-hu: Va Taa:la:] Are Eternal, Pre Existent Continuous and Uncreated .
4] Divine Acts and Doings are Neither Eternal nor Created., Neither Pre-existents nor Continuous.
So Imam Ibn Taimiah is neither talking about Creations nor Talking about Divine Attributes as incorrectly
assumed by Shaikh Al Ba:ni: RH: .
There are two types OF Divine Acts. [] Transitive Acts [Doings] .[ ] Intransitive Acts.
Creation is one of the Transitive Acts.
Imam Ibn Taimiah sharply differentiateth between Act of Creation and the Created Thing.
That is a Transative Act and a Term of the Transative Act.
Very Few Divine Acts which emanateth from Divine Attributes Have Terms as in the case of Act of Speaking.
The Ability TO Speak [Ability of Speech] is the Divine Attribute, Act of Speaking is the Divine Act which Emanateth
from the Stated Attribute of Speech is the Divine Act , and the Words, Sentences, Expressions and Letters Spoken
are the Terms of the Divine Act of Speaking.
What that is implied from the works of Ima:m Ibn Taimiah is as follow:=
I} The Attribute of Speech is Eternal [Qadi:m/Ghair H:a:dith:] , Ghair Makhlu:q and Ghair Maju:l.
In other words they are Ghair H:a:dith: [Eternal] , Ghair Makhlu:q [Uncreated] and
Ghair Maju:l[Unmade].
2] The Act of Speaking is Neither Eternal Nor Makhlu:q [Created] and Also not Maju:l [Made].
They are Just H:a:dith: [Temporal/Non Eternal/Ghair Qadi:m], but neither Makhlu:q nor Maju:l.
In other words they are H:a:dith: [Non-Eternal/Temporal/Ghair Qadi:m] Yet Ghair
Makhlu:q [Uncreated] and Ghair Maju:l[Unmade].
3] The Terms of Divine Acts Of Speaking are Temporal [Non Eternal/H:a:dith:/Ghair Qadi:m] and Majul. Yet they are
neither Eternal nor Makhlu:q .
In other words they are H:a:dith: [Non-Eternal/Ghair Qadi:m] , Ghair Makhlu:q
[Uncreated] Yet Maju:l [made].

This theological delicacies may be understood properly . I my self differ and believe in Asharite and Maturidite
believes in regard to the Divine Speech yet Imam Ibn Taimiah cannot be declared as Kafir or even Ghair Sunni, as
alleged by JHELUMI ENGINNER ALI MIRZA.

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Shaikh Alba:nis was unable to understand the Delicacies of the Concept of Ima:m Ibn Taimiah RH: .
Simple Minded Shaikh Ali Zai was also confused since both Zubair Ali Zai AND Shaikh Alba:ni: RH: were neither
theologians nor Philosophers. But Shaikh Alba:ni: never declared Ima:m ibn Taimiah as Kafir, since he confessed
the Superiority Of Ima:m Ibn Taimiah RD: OVER Himself. Zubair Ali Zai did not have the courage to declare Imam
Ibn Taimiah RH: to declare as a Ghair Ahl H:adi:th: . He knoweth consequences of this .
But Engineer Ali Mirza: can say any thing to any one. Wate for the Day Engineer Ali Mirza saith some thing to Ima:m
Bukha:ri [Astaghfarullah].
ASHARITES AND MATURIDITES DO BELIEVE THAT ONLY ESSENTIAL ATTRIBUTES OF ALL-H ARE UNCREATED AND ETERNAL.
THE BELIEVE THAT ACTS OF ALL-H Are CREATED AND TEMPORAL.
RELATIVE ATTRIBUTES OF ETERNAL ATTRIBUTES ARE ABSTRACTIONS.
ONLY EXTREMISTS CAN DECLARE ANY ONE OF THE FOUR SCHOOLS OF THOUGHT AS GHAIRU AHLISSUNNAH [ASTAGHFARULLH] .
Similarly Zubair Ali Zai had no idea of Immanent Act [Acts in association of the Essence of the Agent or Acts
Subsisting in the Agent of the Act] and Not Immanent Acts, [Acts with neither Subsisteth in the Essence of the Agent
of the Act nor Exist in Association with the Essence of the Agent of the Act] i.e Eternal /Extraneous Acts.

Third Preliminary:=
One may simply explain that ALL-H [SVT] Is Reciting Qura:n such that to each and every Recitation of Qua:n there is
a distinct Recitation Prior to It. This implies an Infinite Series of Recitations of Qura:n in Back Ward Direction. This
is Sufficient to shew that H:avadith: Have no beginning.
May one ask the Engineer of Jhelum if ALL-H Himself speaketh Quran then Which on e of the following options is
correct about the Act of Speaking of Qura:n BY ALL-H Himself????
1] The Act of Speaking and the Spoken Qua:n both are Ghair H:adith: , Ghair Makhluq and Ghair Maju:l.
2] They both are H:a:dith: ; both are Ghair Makhlu:aq and Ghair Maju:l.
3] They both are H:a:dith: ; they both are Ghair Makhlu:q; Yet the act of Speaking is Ghair Maju:l and the Spoken
Qura:n is Maju:l .
4] They both are H:a:dith: ; they both are Ghair Makhlu:q; Yet the act of Speaking is Maju:l and the Spoken Qura:n is
Ghair Maju:l .
5] None of these.

This Multiple Choice Question Exposes the True Reality and Real Truth of
the Engineer of City of Jhelum . There is a very very strong Probability
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[Not Just Possibility] that Our Enginner Shall Not Attempt to Answer?
There is a very very strong Probability That the Enginner Of Jhelum shall
use his engineered Technique of just Reciting this MCQ and then saying

ASTAGHFARULLAH

. As if it is some thing a sort of Kufr.

To prevent EngineerAli Mirza from using this sort of technique which is

Engineered by him we present a verse from Holy Qura:n Itself.

Indeed, We have [JAALNA:HU] made it an

Arabic Qur'an that you might understand.
AZ-ZUKHRUF (THE ORNAMENTS OF GOLD) -

A:YAH NUMBER 03.

This is a Verse used by Mutazilah to prove that Qura:n is a Malhlu:q. Diffent Sunni
subsects used different interpretations and explainations of this Verse. Each one of
them is capable of refutation Of Mutazilite Argument from this verse. Ima:m Ibn
Taimiahs Approach is different from a number of Other Sunni Scholars,
Philosophers, Dialectics, Theologians, and Debaters . According to him there are
things which are neither Eternal nor Creations.
How ever these like Divine Attributes are NOT Per Se Subsistent [Qa:im Bi Nafsihi:],
yet they are not like Essential Attributes but are Acts.
A number of latter commentators of Ima:m Ibn Taimiah explained that Attribute of
Speech is both Essential and Active. It is neither Pure Active Attribute nor Pure
Essential Attribute of ALL-H.
But a critical study reveals the fact that has been explained above. Any how the
words spoken by ALL-H Himself are Neither Eternal Nor Creation yet Temporal like
the very act of speaing as according to Ima:m ibn Taimiah RH: .
May one ask Engineer Ali Mirza: . Does he differentiates between the QURA:N
SPOKEN BY ALL-H HIMSELF and the QURA:N RECITED BY Human Beings, Angel
Beings and Jin Beings [additionally QURA:N on recording devices]?
Also does he believe that Qura:n Spoken or Recited By ALL-H Himself is Creation or
not if not then Eternal or Temporal?

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It would have been a good thing that this Engineer AliMirza would have asked his
former teacher [Zubair Ali Zai] about this question. But as Zubair has passed away
nothing can be done now.
One may go back to Mutazilah Ahlusunnah controversy. The problem began when
Muazilah denied Divine Attributes.

The denial or the acceptance of the Divine Attributes has led to another problem in Muslim
theology with regard to the nature of the Quran whether it is Eternal or Created. The
traditionalist Muslims argued that the Quran is the Word of Allah (S.V.T.) and Existed before its
Revelation and even before the Creation of the world.That is Quran is PreExistent. This is a
belief in the pre-existent Quran, which is prior in time to the Creation of the world and human.

It is reported by Imam ash-Shahrastani (RH:.) that the Hanbaliyyah do not say that the
Quran in this physical form as a printed book read by Muslims is Eternal and Uncreated: We
should not assert the Eternity of the letters and sounds, which subsist in our tongues. The
position of Imam Ah:mad Ibn H:anbal (RH:), requires further clarification, because he asserts
the Eternity of the Quran, and at the same time, as it seems, he does not Attribute Eternity to the
copy of the Quran, which we read in the present book form. In this regard one can conclude
that Imam Ah:mad Ibn H:anbal (RH:) distinguishes between two Qurans of the same kind. The
first Quran, Revealed to the Prophet Muhammad (SAS.), is Eternal, having its own Existence
and Reality before the Creation of the world, and the Quran that comes into existence whenever
we recite it.It is certainly different from the one that is descended upon Holy Prophet [S:AVS].
Ima:m Ibn Taimiah RH: differentiateth between the QURA: N SPOKEN/RECITED BY ALL-H Himeself
and one THAT is reviled or inspired to Prophet [S:AVS] .
But the act of recitation of QURA:N by ALL-H Himself cannot be a Creation, and the Recited
QURAN, Recited by ALL-H Himself is also not a Creation. An Infinite Backward series of
Recitations of Qua:n and Recited Qura:n may be termporal but with out a begening as explained
in above Preliminaries. See above.
This single answer is capable to refute Ali Mirza: alleged Objection on Ima:m Ibn Taimiah RH:
Once for all times .

Forth Preliminary:=
It appears that Ima:m Ibn Taimiah Contradicted a S:ah:i:h: H:adi:th:.
It may be the case that Engineer of Jhelum considers that to reject a S:H:I:H:
H:ADI:TH: is Kufr.
But is is not the correct thing.
Since these traditions are about the Creations.
If an Uncreated thing excludes them it is just according to the basic Axiom of ALL
Sunni SUBSECTS.
How ever majority of Ahlussunah believes that any thing Uncreated is Eternal but
Some Minorities of Ahlussunnah do believe that Not All Uncreated are Eternal.
But they agree on one Point that Any thing Uncreated is not among the Creations
and Creatures of ALL-H.
IF Enginner Ali Mirza: can declare that Imam Ibn Taimiah Contradicted some
S:AH:I:H: H:ADI:TH: and there for he is Kafir then Ali Mirza must have declared Abu
Ala: Maududi: as Kafir since he EXPLICITLY deny the H:ADI:TH: OF HOLY BUKHARI:
That SAIYIDUNA IBRA:HI:M SPOKE FALSEHOOD THREE TIMES.
ABU ALA: MAUDUDI: DID NOT ACCEPTED ANY INTERPRETATION BUT CLEARLY
REJECTED THE TRADITION.[See his views about the H:Adith: of Three Falshoods of
Saiyiduna Ibra:hi:m Alaihis Sal:m IN Maududis Work].
But Ali: Mirza is silent as churches mice and is not likely to break the ice.
So he cannot claim that he declare Imam Ibn Taimiah has committed a Kufr just
because he has rejected a S:H:I:H: H:ADITH: , OTHERWISE HE HAS TO SAY THE SAME
FOR MAULANA: MAUDU:DI.
If it is Assumed for a While that Imam Ibn Taimiah is saying for the Creations and
not for Neither Eternals and Nor Creations that they have no beginning , then this
statement can only be kufr if it contradicteth an Explicit Ayah or Mutvatir H:adith
or there is an Ijma: on the Kufr to this belief.
But there is none.
In case of S:ah:i:h: H:adi:th: this Engineer of the City of Jhelum cannot declare
Ima:m ibn Taimiah RD:as Kafir or One That Commiteth a Kufr With Certainty, other
wise he Must have to Declare Mula:na: Maudu:di as Kafir or One Who Commiteth a
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Kufr with Certainty or Both , since he not only denied a S:ah:i:h: Tradition but also
presented many doubts in the Principles of H:adith: . [ They require an other
discussion which is beyond the scope of the present discussion].
But why there is a conspiracy that Ima:m Ibn Taimiah is declared as One Who
committed a Kufr With Certainty and Why Maulana: Maudu:di: was not declared as
one Who Committed a Certain Kufr is that Engineer Ali Mirza: RD: declares any one
who defends Ahlussunnah and S:ah:abah as Committer of Kufr With Certainty and
remain silent on any one who commits a similar mistake yet attacks S:h:bah.

Ima:m Ibn Taimiah, Sha:h Abdul Aziz and Qa:di:

Ibn Arabi are the targets of Engineer of Jhelum
Since the defended a Number Of S:ah:abah RD:
and Maula:na Maudu:di: is a beloved hero since he
attacked a Number Of S:ah:abah RD: .

Fifth Preliminary:=
A] The Great Conspiracy
The perpetual silence of Engineer Ali: Mirza: in regard to Enemies of
S:ah:abah RD: and their works , yet attempts of finding Kufriat in works of
Defenders of S:h:abah is just an Exposition of Ali: Mirza: of Jhelum. One
must not listen to this person UNLESS AND OTHER WISE He/She Has the
full Knowledge of Qura:n ,Ahadith: , Books of Sunnism, and Books of
Enemies of S:ah:a:bah.
This person is very tricky and he may misguide any one who has not
studied the stated above works in detail.
He Recites the Text of Ah:a:dith: but the Ah:a:dith: do not descend his
throat, He recites Qura:n but Qura:n does not descend similarly. He is
worse then Kharjites and a number of Rafid:ites since he Explains Qura:n
and Ah:adith: incorrectly and wrongly.
B] A Conundrum For Ali Mirza:
If Ima:m Ibn Taimiah did Commit a Kufr With Certainty then He became a
Kafir at that Moment , rather a Murtadd [May ALL-H Forbit for writing this
Sentence yet is is just for an argument],Yet Ali Mirza: Claims that he does
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not declare Ima:m Ibn Taimiah RH: as Kafir giving Our Ima:m the benefit
of doubt of Possible Repentance before his death in 1328 AC/728 AH.
But if Engineer is assumed to be correct in his allegation then he must
have to provide an Evidence of Repentance, other wise the Engineer
himself becomes Kafir for declaring a person not as Kafir who has
committed a Kufr with Certainty as according to his own False Allegation .
NOTE: IMAM IBN TAIMIAH HATH CERTAINLY NOT COMMITTED ANY KUFR
YET IT IS IN THE KUFRIAT OF ALI MIRZA THAT HE FALSELY ASCRIBES A
KUFR TO SOME PERSONS AND YET CLAIMS THAT THEY ARE MUSLIMS OR
NOT KAFIRS. SUCH A PRACTICE IS AN INDEPENDENT SELF EVIDENT KUFR.
THOSE HOW ARE FALSLY ASCRIBED WITH KUFR CONTINUE TO BE MUSLIMS
YET ONE WHO PRACTICE SUCH AN EVIL ACT CEASES TO BE A MUSLIM.
C] An Exposition of a Great Possible Conspiracy:
An other point is that it is possible that this Engineer may use the same
technique for Mirza: Ghula:m Qadiani: by excusing that he [ i.e the
Engineer ] Does not declare him as Kafir for the similar benefit of possible
Repentance before his death in 1908 AC.
So this is a Possible conspiracy engineered by the pragmatic mind of Ali:
Mirza: Of Jhelum.
We believe that allegation of Ali Mirza: on Imam Ibn Taimiah RH: is
False with Certainty and the Possible Conspiracy of Ali: Mirza to save
Mirza: Ghuman of Qadiya:n is Exposed before it could actuate BY AN
OTHER Mirza: namely Ali: Mirza: of Jhelum.
D] Great scholars some time commit mistakes and errors either by
rejecting a S:ah:I;ih; H:adi:th: or interpreting it wrongly and incorrectly.
They cannot be declared as Ghair Muslim or Ghair Ahlissunnah or both. In
principle This Man Ali Mirza of Jhelum accepts it as in the case of
Maudu:di: he does not say that Maudu:di: Had coomitted Kufr, But Ali
Mirza: Jhelumi is trying to declare Great Ima:m ibn Taimiah RH:as
Committer of Kufr/Cufr. Astaghfarullah.
His dangerous Explanation that he [Ali Mirza:] does not declare Iman Ibn
Taimiah RH: as Kafir/Cafir giving him the benefit of doubt of a Possible
Repentance prior to his death is an other conspiracy that Ali Mirza is
trying to convince his followers [ALIMIRZIS] that Imam Ibn Taimiah did
became a Kafir for some time in his life and if he died with out Repentance
He died as a Kafir. Astaghfarullah.

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What a great Scheme indeed. All Gratitudes to ALL-H that this conspiracy
Engineered by Ali: Mirza Jhelumi comes to Exposition.

Sixth Preliminary:=
It is likely that Engineer
Ali: Mirza sooner or
latter may declare
something against
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Ima:m Bukha:ri RH:and

Ima:m Ah:mad Bin
H:anbal RH: . So we shall
estimate what this
apostate engineer can
say against them. This
requires a separate
work. That shall be
discussed latter. For
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the time being The

Apostate Engineer of
Jhelum is refuted by the
Grace of
ALL-H [SVT].

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REFUTATION OF AN OTHER
ALLEGATION OF ALI MIRZA
[We have copied this refutation ,which is presented else were, for the convenience
of our readers. ]

Simple minded Zubair Ali: Zai made an objection on Ima:m Ibn Taimiah RH: that
He called Saiyiduna: Ibn Umar ED: as Bidati: [Heretic].
Zubair Ali Zai was immediately informed that he misunderstood the Text of Imam
Ibn Taimiah RD:.
The proper explanation of Text of Imam Ibn Taimiah RD: was presented to Zubair
Ali Zai.
Initially Zubair ALI: Zai refused to accepted any explanation or interpretarion of the
Text of Ima:m ibn TaimiahRH:. But in several oral discussions Zubair was defeated
and he was unable to reply. So Zubair began to make excuses.
He said that if such explanations and interpretations of Text of Ima:m Ibn Taimiah
RD: be accepted then Explanations of TEXTS of Shah Isma:i:l and a number of
[Ahlussunnah] Deoband Scholars must also be accepted. He was informed that
inspite of legal debates and disputes etc. Ahlul H:Adi:th: do accepted the
explanations of Ahlussunnah Deoband Scholars like Maulana: Ashraf Ali: TTha:nvi,
Maula:na: Qa:sim Na:natavi etc. In the case of Shah Isma:il Shahi:d ALL THE Ahlul
H:adi:th: defend him throughout the Indian Subcontinent.
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This annoyed Takfiri: minded Zubair Ali: and he declared Sha:h Isma:i:l Shahi:d as
Kafir on several issues.
His main objections were := 1] Sha:h Isma:il believed in a form of Va:tatul Vuju:d
as Evident from his book ABQA:T. 2] He believed that ALL-H Hath Omnipotence our
Falsehood [Kidh:b]. On the contrary Zubair believed that ALL-H Hath no
Omnipotence over Falsehood .
From Imam Ibn Taimiah to Maula:na: Ashraf Ali Thanvi , Zubair Ali Zai declared
each one as a Non Muslim.
This caused a great problem and due to immense pressure he remained silent on
the issue of Takfi:r of Ima:m Ibn Taimiah, Sha:h Valiyullah, Sha:h Isma:i:l Shahi:d
RH: . How ever he did not remain silent over ulma: of Ahlussunnah Deoband. But
he knew that if he declared them as Kafir, a large majority of Ahlul H:adi:th: shall
not accept his declaration.
Zubair Ali: Zai was quick silver in declaring any one as Ka:fir who disputed from him
or from whom he disputed, even on the issue of interpretations of Ah:adi:th: .
How ever in case of ima:m Ibn Taimiah RH: he was finally silenced and purported
that he has accepted the Explanations but not in the case of Sha:h Isma:i:l Shahi:d
RH: .
Seven months latter Zubair Ali Zai promised that he would remain silence on the
Alleged Objectionable Texts of Ima:m Ibn Taimiah RH: . It appears that Zubair Ali:
Zai some how injected his objections in the mind of Ali: Mirza: Of Jhelum who has
no regard for Ima:m ibn Taimiah RD: etc. but but have tremendous sympathies for
Rava:fid: [Astaghfarullah].
This same objection is repeated by the Engineer of Jhelum namely Ali Mirza: .
So it is necessary to respond the objections of Zubair Ali Zai and the same is true
against the Objections of Ali: Mirza: of Jhelum.
The Arabic word B-D-- means to make some thing with out any example.
ALL-H is called Badi: since He made heavens and earths with out any examples
just by His Omniscience.
As a Religious Term it means Heresy and Apostate.
Ibn Taimiah RH: did not declared Saiyiduna: Ibn Umar RD: AS Bidati, or an an
agent of Bidah in the meaning of Heresy but in the LITERAL MEANING. The literal
meaning. Ibn Umar RD: made an Ijtiha:d which was not found in the times of
Saiyiduna Abu Bakr etc.

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So in the literal meaning it is an Innovation since it was nor found previously in the
Isla:mic World.
How ever it is a Sunni Axiom that no ijtiha:d of any S:ah:bi: RD: can be termed as
Heresy [Bidati/ Mubtadi IN THE TERMONOLOGICAL MEANING], yet the word can be
used in the literal meaning.]

An other example is that Saiyiduna: Umar RD: usred the

word B-DA-H for the Jama:ah of Tra:vi:h: .
So this is an example that the word Bidah is sometime used in the Literal
Meaning [A thing not found before /Innovation ]and not in the
Terminological Meaning [Heresy/Unorhtodoxy,Heterodoxy].
When this answer was presented to Simple and Takfi:ri: minded Zubair Ali :Zai HE
RESPONDED AS FOLLOW:=
I accept this in principle , but my [New] objection is that why Ima:m ibn Taimiah
RD: used this word , why he did notchose any other word frokm Arabic Language
for the intended meaning. He was responded that it is beyond the scope of the
domain of any discussion about any author who so ever he may be ,why he did
chose a particular word, the issue is that what is the literal meaning OR THE
INTENDED meaning of the chosen word.
Ima:m Ibn Taimiah RD: could possible alternatives and Ima:m could chose any one
of them [from Arabic Language] ,yet the question is not that what Ima :m COULD
do , the question is What Imam Did do, and what is the correct explanation of his
word used in the sentence.
This answer silenced Zubair Ali: Zai once for all. Zubair Ali Zai was hyper Sensitive
with the fear that he might be expelled from the domain of Ahlul H:adi:th:. He was
always afraid of Muh:aqqiq irsha:d Al H:aqq Athari, that he may refute his views
and it is quite obvious that Muh:aqqiq Irsha:d Al Haqq is the one of the scholars of
Highest Eminent in the
Isla:mic World ,But Ali: Miza has no respect of any one.
He continues to accuse Great Scholars of Sunnism in particular Ima:m ibn Taimiah
RD:.
But Ali Mirza is silent as churchs mice against the enemies of S:ah:abah RD:, WHO
BELIEVE that S:ah:bah RD: like Abu Bakr, Umar. Uth:ma:n Radiyallahu Anhu,
A:ishah Rd:iyallahu Anha:, as Muslim Bila: Ima:n [Astaghfarullah]., and it is likely
that he is not going to break the ice.
An other answer which may be included in this article is that to claim an act as Innovation is one thing
and to declare the Agent of the act as Heretic is an other thing.
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Similarly the difference between Innovator and Heretic are two different things.
Ima:m Ibn Taimiah RD: only meant that This Ijtiha:d OF Ibn Umar RD: was not found prior to his act of
Ijtiha:d. But it is not an heresy even if it may not be preferred. Since This Ijtiha:d was not found in the
times of Noble Caliphate.

Multi-Standard Of Engineer Ali Mirza

Maulana Maudu;di: DECLARED some act of Saiyiduna: Mu:aviah RD:as Bidah
[Astaghfarullah] :not in the Literal Meaning but in the Religious Meaning . But Ali:
Mirza remained silenced as if he has not read it. [Khi:lafat Va M-lu:kiat BY M A.A
Maudu:di:]
This implies that Ali: Mirza: has enmity of Ima:m ibn Taimiah because he defended
Saiyiduna: Mu:aviah RD:
This is a Multi-Standard of Ali Mirza:.

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