Snap-On v. Harbo - Complaint

IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE
EASTERN DISTRICT OF WISCONSIN

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) Case No.:
Plaintiff,
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v.
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) JURY TRIAL DEMANDED
HARBOR FREIGHT TOOLS USA, INC. )
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Defendant.
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SNAP-ON INCORPORATED,
COMPLAINT
Plaintiff, Snap-on Incorporated (Snap-on), for its complaint against Defendant, Harbor
Freight Tools USA, Inc. (Harbor Freight), states as follows:
NATURE OF ACTION
This is an action for: (a) infringement of US Design Patent No. D730,612, pursuant to the
US Patent Act, 35 USC 101, et. seq.; (b) trade dress infringement under Section 43 of the
Lanham Act, 15 U.S.C. 1125(a); (c) unfair competition under Section 43(a) of the Lanham Act,
15 U.S.C. 1125; and (d) common law unfair competition, stemming from Harbor Freights
using, selling, having sold, offering to sell, making, having made, and/or importing or having
imported into the United States, certain garage floor jack products.
PARTIES
1.
Plaintiff, Snap-on, is a corporation organized and existing under the laws of the
State of Delaware, and has a principal place of business at 2801 80th Street, Kenosha,
Wisconsin.
2.
Defendant, Harbor Freight, is a corporation organized and existing under the laws
of the State of Delaware, and has a principal place of business at 26541 Agoura Road, Calabasas,
California.
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JURISDICTION AND VENUE

3.
This Court has jurisdiction over this matter pursuant 28 U.S.C. 1331
and 1338(a), in that this matter arises under an Act of Congress relating to patents and the
Lanham Act. This Court also has supplemental jurisdiction of the claim arising under common
law pursuant to 28 U.S.C. 1367.
4.
This Court has personal jurisdiction over Harbor Freight pursuant to Wis. Stat.
801.05, because Harbor Freight has a place of business(es) located within this district, has
committed the acts complained of herein in this district, and/or transacts business within this
district.
5.
Venue is proper in this district pursuant to 28 U.S.C. 1391 and 1400, in that
Harbor Freight (a) has regular and established places of business within this district, and (b)
engaged in one or more acts complained of herein within this district, including, inter alia,
infringement within this district by selling and/or offering to sell products that directly, or
contributorily infringe or induce others to infringe, the claim of U.S. Patent no. D730,612 (the
612 Patent).
FACTS
6.
Snap-on is a well-known designer, marketer, and seller of high-quality, high-end
tools, garage accessories, and other equipment.

7.
Purchasers, customers and end-users purchase and use Snap-ons products
because of Snap-ons service, reputation and good will, and the high quality and reliability of the
products Snap-on designs and sells.
8.
Snap-on sells and offers for sale garage floor jacks, including Snap-ons FJ200 (2-
ton rated) and FJ300 (3-ton rated) floor jacks (collectively Snap-ons Jacks). (Attached as
Exhibit A are representative photos of Snap-ons Floor Jacks, compared to the 612 Patent).
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9.
Purchasers, customers, and end-users associate the shape, appearance, and non-
functional features of Snap-ons Jacks with Snap-on, including its reputation and good will.
10.
Harbor Freight manufacturers, has manufactured, sells, offers for sale, and/or
imports or has imported into the United States, garage floor jacks, including, but not limited to,
the Daytona 3 Ton Super Duty Floor Jack (DJ3000) (bearing sku 63183) (collectively Harbor
Freights Jacks). (Attached as Exhibit B are representative photos of Harbor Freights Jacks,
compared to the 612 Patent; attached as Exhibit C is a Harbor Freight sale brochure marketing
Harbor Freights Jacks).
11.
On information and belief, Harbor Freight first sold or offered for sale Harbor
Freights Jacks, within this district and elsewhere, in late August 2016.
12.
Harbor Freight sells and offers to sell Harbor Freights Jacks and other products
on its website, which is available to and targets purchasers, customers, and end-users, within this
district and elsewhere. (See Harbor Freight website, http://www.harborfreight.com/3-tondaytona-professional-steel-floor-jack-super-duty-63183.html (printout attached as Exhibit D)).
13.
On Harbor Freights website, Harbor Freight states it has 700+ Stores
Nationwide. (See Id.).

14.
According to Harbor Freights website, Harbor Freight has at least three retail
stores located in this district, including in or around Milwaukee, Wisconsin, and/or Racine,
Wisconsin. (See Harbor Freight website, http://www.harborfreight.com/storelocator/location/
map?zipcode_input=Milwaukee,%20WI,%20United%20States (print-out attached as Exhibit E)).
15.
Harbor Freights Jacks are substantially identical in shape and appearance to
Snap-ons Jacks. (See e.g. Exhibit H, showing side-by-side comparisons of Harbor Freights
Jacks to Snap-ons Jacks).
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16.
Purchasers, customers, and/or end-users have been confused as to the source
and/or origin of Harbor Freights Jack, and/or Snap-ons approval of or affiliation with Harbor
Freight and/or Harbor Freights Jack.
17.
For example, and without limitation, some purchasers, customers, and/or end-
users confusingly and/or mistakenly believe that Snap-ons Jacks and Harbor Freights Jack are
the same, including having the same design, are manufactured by the same manufacturer, utilize
the same components, and/or are built of the same quality. (See e.g., Exhibit F showing
customer and end-user confusion).
COUNT I
(Patent Infringement)
18.
Snap-on restates and realleges the allegations in Paragraphs 1-17, as if fully set
forth herein.
19.
Snap-on is the owner, by assignment, of all rights, title and interest in and to the
612 Patent, entitled FLOOR JACK, which was duly issued by the United States Patent and
Trademark Office on May 26, 2015. (612 Patent attached as Exhibit G).
20.
Snap-ons Jacks incorporate the invention(s) claimed in the 612 Patent. (See
e.g., Exhibit A).

21.
Harbor Freights Jacks embody the design patented in the 612 Patent, or, at a
minimum, a colorable imitation thereof. (See e.g., Exhibit C).

22.
An ordinary observer, familiar with the prior art, would be, and has been,
deceived into believing Harbor Freights Jacks are the same as the design patented in the 612
Patent. (See e.g., Exhibit F).
23.
Without permission or license from Snap-on, Harbor Freight uses, manufactures,
has manufactured, sells, offers for sale, and/or imports or has imported into the United States,
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within this judicial district and elsewhere, products, including, inter alia, Harbor Freights Jacks,
that directly infringe, contributorily infringe, and/or induce others to infringe, the claim of the
612 Patent, in violation of 35 U.S.C. 271.
24.
Harbor Freight has notice of its infringement as prescribed by 35 U.S.C. 287(a).
25.
Harbor Freights infringement has been, and continues to be, willful.
26.
Harbor Freights infringement of the 612 Patent has caused, and continues to
cause, irreparable injury to Snap-on, and unless and until Harbor Freights infringement of the
612 Patent is enjoined by this Court, Snap-on will continue to suffer irreparable injury because
of Harbor Freights infringement. Snap-on has no adequate remedy at law.
COUNT II
(Trade Dress Infringement Under Section 43 of the Lanham Act)
27.
forth herein.
28.
The appearance of Snap-ons Jacks includes nonfunctional features that have
acquired distinctiveness in the marketplace, and that identify the product and its source to
customers, potential customers, purchases and end-users as being from Snap-on.
29.
Snap-on has built and acquired good will associated with the appearance and non-
functional features of Snap-ons Jacks.

30.
The appearance of Snap-ons Jacks constitutes protectable trade dress pursuant to
Section 43(a) of the Lanham Act.

31.
Harbor Freights Jacks misappropriate, use, and appear substantially identical to,
the appearance and non-functional features of Snap-ons Jacks. (See e.g., Exhibit H).
32.
Harbor Freights marketing, sale, and/or offering for sale, of the Harbor Freight
Jacks, within this district and elsewhere, which incorporate and/or use the distinctive features
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and appearance of Snap-ons Jacks, constitutes a use in commerce of false designation of origin,
and/or false or misleading descriptions or representations, that are likely to cause, and have
caused, purchasers, customers, and/or end-users, confusion and mistake, and/or to deceive
purchasers, customers and/or end-users, as to the source or origin of Harbor Freights Jacks
and/or the affiliation, connection, and/or association of Harbor Freight with Snap-on, and/or the
origin, sponsorship, and/or approval, of Harbor Freights Jacks by Snap-on.
33.
Harbor Freights actions cause Harbor Freight to infringe Snap-ons trade dress
rights, and the good will associated therewith, in violation of Section 43 of the Lanham Act, 15
USC 1125(a).
34.
Harbor Freights acts are, and continue to be, willful, and are undertaken with the
intent to misappropriate, and have misappropriated, the good will and reputation associated with
Snap-on and Snap-ons Jacks.
35.
Harbor Freights actions have caused, and continued to cause, irreparable injury
to Snap-on, and unless and until Harbor Freights actions are enjoined by this Court, Snap-on
will continue to suffer irreparable injury because of Harbor Freights actions. Snap-on has no
adequate remedy at law.
COUNT III
(Federal Unfair Competition and False Designation)
36.
forth herein.
37.
customers, potential customers, purchasers, and end-users as being from Snap-on.
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38.

39.
the appearance and non-functional features of Snap-ons Jacks. (See e.g., Exhibit H)
40.
Harbor Freights marketing, sale, and/or offering for sale, of the Harbor Freight
Jacks, which incorporate and/or use the distinctive features and appearance of Snap-ons Jacks,
constitutes a use in commerce of false designation of origin and/or false or misleading
descriptions or representations, that are likely to cause, and have caused, purchasers, customers,
and/or end-users, confusion and mistake, and/or to deceive purchasers, customers, and/or endusers as to the source and/or origin of Harbor Freights Jacks, and/or the affiliation, connection,
and/or association of Harbor Freight with Snap-on, and/or the origin, sponsorship, or approval of
Harbor Freights Jacks by Snap-on.
41.
Harbor Freights actions constitute unfair competition and false designation, in
violation of Section 43(a) of the Lanham act, 15 USC 1125(a).

42.
43.
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COUNT IV
(Common Law Unfair Competition)
44.
forth herein.
45.
customers, potential customers, purchasers, and/or end-users as being from Snap-on.
46.

47.
the appearance and non-functional features of Snap-ons Jacks. (See e.g. Exhibit H)
48.
Harbor Freights use, marketing, sale, and/or offering for sale, of the Harbor
Freight Jacks, which incorporate and/or use the distinctive features and appearance of Snap-ons
Jacks, constitutes a use in commerce of false designation of origin and/or false or misleading
descriptions or representations that are likely to cause, and have caused, purchasers, customers,
and/or end-users, confusion and mistake, and/or to deceive purchasers, customers, and/or endusers as to the source and/or origin of Harbor Freights Jacks, and/or the affiliation, connection,
and/or association of Harbor Freight with Snap-on, and/or the origin, sponsorship, and/or
approval of Harbor Freights Jacks by Snap-on.
49.
Harbor Freights actions constitute common law unfair competition.
50.
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51.
PRAYER FOR RELIEF
WHEREFORE, Snap-on prays for an order and judgment in its favor and against Harbor
Freight as follows:
a.
preliminarily and permanently enjoining Harbor Freight, and its parents,
subsidiaries, affiliates, officers, directors, agents, employees, successors, assigns, and
attorneys, and any and all persons in active concert or participation with any of them,
from using, making, causing to be made, selling, offering to sell, causing to be sold,
and/or importing or causing to be imported into the United States, any products that
directly infringe, contributorily infringe, or induce others to infringe, the claim of the
612 Patent;
b.
preliminarily and permanently enjoining Harbor Freight, and its parents,
subsidiaries, affiliates, officers, directors, agents, employees, successors, assigns, and
attorneys, and any and all persons in active concert or participation with any of them,
from using, making, causing to be made, selling, offering to sell, causing to be sold,
and/or importing or causing to be imported into the United States, any products that
infringe Snap-ons trade dress rights;
c.
ordering Harbor Freight to pay to Snap-on the damages that Snap-on has incurred
as a result of the acts complained of herein, including, but not limited to, an award to
Snap-on of Snap-ons lost profits and/or Harbor Freights total profits, pursuant to 35
U.S.C. 289;
d.
a finding that Harbor Freights actions and infringement has been willful, and that
any damages award be trebled, pursuant to 35 U.S.C. 284;
e.
ordering Harbor Freight to pay to Snap-on its costs and expenses of this action,
and its attorneys' fees, pursuant to 35 U.S.C. 285, as a result of the acts complained of
herein; and
f.
awarding Snap-on any other relief that this Court deems just and fit.
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JURY TRIAL DEMAND

Pursuant to Fed. R. Civ. P. 38(b), Snap-on demands a trial by jury of all issues triable of
right by a jury.
Dated: September 21, 2016
Respectfully submitted,
SNAP-ON INCORPORATED
By: /s/ Justin K. Beyer
Justin K. Beyer
Joseph R. Lanser (admission in ED Wis
pending)
SEYFARTH SHAW LLP
131 South Dearborn Street, Suite 2400
Chicago, Illinois 60603
Tel: 312-460-5000
Fax: 312-460-7000
Attorneys for Plaintiff, Snap-on Incorporated
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HarborFreight3TonDaytonaJackVersusSnapOnFJ300Jack
NeverthoughttherewouldbeareasontocompareSnapOnandHarborFreight,butgiventhebrandnew"Daytona"floorjackHFjustrelease
Thereasonforthisistheyarenearlyidenticalineveryway.Lookatthebelowphotographs:
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=338200&showall=1
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Lookingatthespecsaddtothestory:
Physicaldimensionsarenearasmakesnodifferencethesame.
MaxLiftingHeight23inches(HF)and23.4inches(SO)
Weight104Lbs.(HF)and112lbs.(SO)
Bothhaveamagnetinthepumpreservoir
Bothhavegreasezerksinthesamespot
Bothhavedualpumppistons
Snaponhas"UCupSeals"andHFhas"PremiumSeals"
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AndtheSnapOnCountryofOriginis"CHN".It'snosecretwhereHFcomesfrom...
Sowhatdowethink.IsSnapOnsellingarebrandedHarborFreightjack,orviceversa?
08312016,06:36PM
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Re:HarborFreight3TonDaytonaJackVersusSnapOnFJ300Jack
Theyarelikelytheexactsamejack(Minussmallcosmeticsasfarasbendradiusonthesheetsteel)
madeinthesamefactory,butitisn'tamatterofSnapOnsellingarebrandedHFjackorviceversa.
TherearetonsoftoolfactoriesinChinawhomaketools.TheyaretheOEMprovidersforHFand
O'ReillyandCraftsmanandatonofothers.
Yougotothemandsay,here'smylogo,here'smycolorscheme.CanyoumakemeFirworksbranded
jacks?Theycomebackandsayunitpricewouldbe34$apiece@1000qty.Theysendmeonethey
mockuporsomepictures.IgivethegoaheadandthenInegotiatefreighttogetacontainerofthem
statesideandputtheminmystores.Sellthemfor98$witha20%offcouponandallispeachy.
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HFisnotthedesignerofatleastmostofthetoolstheysell.Theirmodelis,buyingawholetonof
toolsfromChinaandtestingthemoutattheirHQ.Figuringoutwhichoneswork/areagoodvalue
andthensellingthoseintheirstores.
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Neither...I'llrepeatmyselfagain,SnapOnhasNeverManufacturedthereLiftequipment,it'salways
beenarebrandforthem,InparticularWalker/Lincoln/HeinWerner(Shinfu)/Graytonameafew.On
theotherhand....ThereareNoHarborfreightfactoriespumpingoutHarborfreightjacks,Ifyouare
followingalong....Thismeanstheyarealsorebranded.I'llgoabitfurtherandsaythatthereareonly
ahandfulofHydraulicUnitsinplaywiththe"ColoroftheMonth"Lowprofilejacks,theMain
differencesaretheFramedesigns/StickersandaforementionedColor.Itsextremelyplausiblethat
whomever(Torin/Sunex/Shinnfu)ismakingtheSnaponJackisalsosharingcomponentswiththeHF
andprobably20otherdifferentbrands.
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business'swhenpossible,ifnotavailabletherearenumerousonlinesuppliers.Below,youwillfinda
phonenumbertoHPS,SteveandHisWifeareveryknowledgableandveryeconomicallypriced..
HaveaHydraulicJackQuestion?CheckHereFirst..
NeedaSealKit?ContactHydraulicPartsSupplyat6205942247
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3Xtheprice,equals3xthequality,right?
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#5
iwonderhowtheycomparetotheArcanXL353.5tonjack.thatswhatihavenowandcoulduse
antherjack.thisonemightbeit.
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#6
Quote:
IwonderwhereHFshaved8poundsfrom?
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Thepump?????????
Justbecausetheyarecopiesdoesnotmeantheyaresame
Maybealittledestructivetestingbeforewedecidetheyaresame.........seewhichframefoldslike
cardboard.
Thesamegoesforliftsandtestinghasshownthereahugedifferencesisstrength.
https://youtu.be/XLUjq6ijvVc
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Iwassurprisedtoseethejackcomeswitha3yearwarranty.
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#9
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OriginallyPostedbyHiball
Neither...I'llrepeatmyselfagain,SnapOnhasNeverManufacturedthereLiftequipment,it's
alwaysbeenarebrandforthem,InparticularWalker/Lincoln/HeinWerner(Shinfu)/Grayto
nameafew.Ontheotherhand....ThereareNoHarborfreightfactoriespumpingoutHarbor
freightjacks,Ifyouarefollowingalong....Thismeanstheyarealsorebranded.I'llgoabit
furtherandsaythatthereareonlyahandfulofHydraulicUnitsinplaywiththe"Colorofthe
Month"Lowprofilejacks,theMaindifferencesaretheFramedesigns/Stickersand
aforementionedColor.Itsextremelyplausiblethatwhomever(Torin/Sunex/Shinnfu)is
makingtheSnaponJackisalsosharingcomponentswiththeHFandprobably20other
differentbrands.
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Sowhat'syouropiniononthisjackhiball?
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#10
ImsurprisedtheHFjackweighsless.ThoughtthatChinesepotmetalwasfullofimpuritieslikelead
togiveitmoreweight
09012016,10:42AM
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Quote:
OriginallyPostedbyPureLeaf
ImsurprisedtheHFjackweighsless.ThoughtthatChinesepotmetalwasfullofimpurities
likeleadtogiveitmoreweight
WhatisinterestingisthattheHFjackappearstohaveasteelhandleandtheSOappearstohavean
aluminumhandle,thatmayhidesomemoreweightsavingsthattheHFjackhasoverthesnapon.
Thatbeingsaid,Icouldeasilyseethosenumbersnotbeingtotallyaccurate.
09012016,10:45AM
#12
Hiball
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Sowhat'syouropiniononthisjackhiball?
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IttakesmorethanaNewcolorschemetoimpressme,Iwon'tmakeunfoundedclaimsasIhaven't
beeninsideone,norhadexperienceusingone.The3yearwarrantyisaSolidsellingpoint,I'mnot
reallyoneofthoseguyswhoputsalotofweightwithwarranties,butinregardstoliftequipment,it's
marketable.Outsideofthat,IwoulddefinitelybemoreapttoinvestintheHFmodelversustheSO,
IFIactuallyneededaLowprofileJack.I'mjustgladithasa3yearwarranty,Ididn'tthinkIwould
everrecoverfromtheArcanintroduction,Everyoneandtherbrotherboughtoneandthenthe
PM's/Email'sstartedrollinginconcerningleakageissues,handlefeedbacketc....Withallthatsaid,HF
won'tbethelastonetointroducethisstyle,thenagaintheymightbetheeasiesttodealwithin
regardstowarrantybasedoffthelocalretailersavailabletotheindividualconsumer.
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#13
Iboughtonethatlookslikethat,butis31/2ton,fromNapafor$249.00ForsomereasonI'djust
trustitmorethantheHFone.
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#14
Quote:
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maybethepackaging?istheweighttheshippingweightorjustthejack?couldbeSnappyliststhe
jackweightandHFliststheentirepackage...ofcourseitcouldalsojustbeatranslationerrorintheir
documentation.someofHF'smanualsaredownrightfunnytoread...
edit:nevermind,Ihaditbackwards...I'mgoingwiththepumpmaybealuminuminsteadofsteel...
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09012016,12:38PM
#15
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IjustweighedmySnapOnanditwasjustunder101pounds.
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Quote:
NeverthoughttherewouldbeareasontocompareSnapOnandHarborFreight,butgiventhebrandnew"Daytona"floor
Thereasonforthisistheyarenearlyidenticalineveryway.Lookatthebelowphotographs:
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Lookingatthespecsaddtothestory:
Physicaldimensionsarenearasmakesnodifferencethesame.
MaxLiftingHeight23inches(HF)and23.4inches(SO)
Bothhaveamagnetinthepumpreservoir
Bothhavegreasezerksinthesamespot
Bothhavedualpumppistons
Snaponhas"UCupSeals"andHFhas"PremiumSeals"
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AndtheSnapOnCountryofOriginis"CHN".It'snosecretwhereHFcomesfrom...
ithinkabouthowtheycontrastwiththeArcanXL353.5tonjack.thatisthethingthatihavenowandcouldutilizeantherjack.thisone
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#17
Strouty
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SnapOndoesdosomefinalassemblyinNorthCarolinaorsomeotherstate,Iamsureitmakesfora
muchbetterfitandfinish.Alsonotellingwhatsealsareusedfromonetotheother.
MySnapOndriversaysthatShinnFumakestheFJ200,butitisaseparatecompany,notreallysure
howthatis.
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#18
IassumefromHiballscommentregardingArcanthattheyarentgreat?Ihavebeenlookingatthemin
Costcoforafewmonthsbutivenotpulledthetriggerasididntknowhowgoodtheyactuallywere....
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#19
Quote:
OriginallyPostedbyStrouty
SnapOndoesdosomefinalassemblyinNorthCarolinaorsomeotherstate,Iamsureit
makesforamuchbetterfitandfinish.Alsonotellingwhatsealsareusedfromonetothe
other.
MySnapOndriversaysthatShinnFumakestheFJ200,butitisaseparatecompany,not
reallysurehowthatis.
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Prettysurewhattheymeanisthatit'spackedintoaboxintheUS.Takethehandles,hardwareand
packagethemupnicely,wouldprobablysufficeforan'AssembledintheUS'sticker.
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#20
Strouty
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HereisalinktothemanualfortheSnapOnFJ200,itshowsspecsandpartsbreakdown.Nowwe
needtheonefortheDaytona.
http://public.snapon.com/UserManuals...nersManual.pdf
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http://manuals.harborfreight.com/man...3999/63183.pdf
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#22
Quote:
OriginallyPostedbyJonnyMac
IassumefromHiballscommentregardingArcanthattheyarentgreat?Ihavebeenlookingat
theminCostcoforafewmonthsbutivenotpulledthetriggerasididntknowhowgoodthey
actuallywere....
ihavehadtheArcanXL35forthelast5yearsandhsntskippedabeat,iboughtitatnortherntools
whentheyhadasale.thinkitwas$120wheniboughtitbackthen.
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Astro_Pneumatic_Tools
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#23
I'mfamiliarwiththefactory.Theyhavethecapabilitytomakequalityjackframesanddouble
plungerpumps,andoftenjacksoverall.
Thethingmostpeopledon'trealizeaboutfloorjackstodayisitisnolonger"cheapgoingtofall
apartpotmetal"vs"precisionmachinedAISIcertsmetal"it'sthelittle$0.02things.
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Suchasthematerialspecificationsoftheoringsused
Radiusoforingseats
Type,design,thicknessofteftonbackingrings.
Smoothness/DAofinnercylinders
Propensityoftheirbeingchipsinthefluidorburrsontheplungers
Jackslikethesedon'tfallapart.Theystarttoleak,andit'salmostneverloadbearingaspects
asthosearesocloselyscrutinizedforANSItests,it'sthedarnquickpumpersthatgetittolift
quicklyw/outload.
Havingaleakingjackthatwontsealismoreofaninconvenienceforprofessionalsettingsthat
needitallday,whichiswhythoselittledetailsmeanmoretoanoutfitsellingDIYvs
professional.
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#24
Interesting,Ididn'tseethatmodelwhenIwaslasttherebutitdoeslooknice.Iforonewouldn't
hesitateatalltobuyone.I'vebeenusingHFaluminumjacksfor10yrsnow.Ihadonefailbutit
wasn'tasafetyconcern.Plus,youshouldn'tEVERbeunderacarwithjustajackanyway,waittillit's
onstands.IalsohavenofearusingHFstandshavehad2setsofthealuminumonesfor10yrstoo.
Onejackdidstopworkingbutithadafailsafe.Basicallythereleasefeaturestoppedworking,soif
youwantedtolowerthestandyouhadtopullthetoppieceoutallthewayandreinsert.
ThejackI'mmoreinterestedatthemomentfromHFisthisonebecauseithastherapidpump
feature.Plusit'saverylowprofilewithgoodmaxheight.
http://www.harborfreight.com/automot...ump60678.html
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#25
ForwhatitsworthIjustlookedandHarborFreightdoesshowtheshippingweightontheDaytona
jackas112pounds.(sameasSOjack).
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#26
FyiTheDaytonapumpdescriptionontheHFsitesaysithasRapidPump.Butyathejackyoulinked
hasalmost1inchlowerminimumheightandabout3/4"moremaximum.Atradeoffforlessweight
capacity.Ofcoursethepriceismuchless..
TheSnapOnlistpriceforthefj300is$651.25
Quote:
OriginallyPostedbyColinLen
wasn'tasafetyconcern.Plus,youshouldn'tEVERbeunderacarwithjustajackanyway,wait
tillit'sonstands.IalsohavenofearusingHFstandshavehad2setsofthealuminumonesfor
10yrstoo.Onejackdidstopworkingbutithadafailsafe.Basicallythereleasefeaturestopped
working,soifyouwantedtolowerthestandyouhadtopullthetoppieceoutallthewayand
reinsert.
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#27
Quote:
OriginallyPostedbyskookum1
FyiTheDaytonapumpdescriptionontheHFsitesaysithasRapidPump.Butyathejack
youlinkedhasalmost1inchlowerminimumheightandabout3/4"moremaximum.Atrade
offforlessweightcapacity.Ofcoursethepriceismuchless..
TheSnapOnlistpriceforthefj300is$651.25
Youknowwhat,IthinkImispoke.Ithinkthat"rapidpump"thingisjustaratioofpumpstoliftheight
whichisnotwhatIwastryingtoreference.Iwastalkingaboutthefootpumpwhichallowsyouto
quicklyandeasilyraisethejacktoyourliftpointwithoutmovingthemainhandle.Thenonceyou
makecontactyouusethemainhandleasyouneedtheleverage.I'dneverseenthatfeatureuntilI
sawmyfriend'sfancy,expensivejackandhavebeenwantingoneeverysince.NowthatHFhasone
likethatit'llforsurebemynextjackpurchaseunlesssomethingbettercomesalongbeforeI'mready
tobuy.
09012016,06:15PM
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#28
Quote:
actuallywere....
IboughtmylowprofilearcanfromCostco4yearsagohavenothadaissuewithityet,myjackgets
usedatleastonceamonth,itfitsundermyShelbyandliftsthewifesTahoe...
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#29
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Quote:
actuallywere....
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I'mhesitanttosaytheArcanmodels"aren'tgreat",thecommonthemewiththesequickliftjacksis
therehitormissabilityinthereliabilitydepartment.WhichiswhyI'vealwaysrecommendedthat
peoplebuyfromretailersthatcanhandleaseamlesswarrantyreplacementifnecessary.
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#30
Quote:
wasn'tasafetyconcern.Plus,youshouldn'tEVERbeunderacarwithjustajackanyway,wait
tillit'sonstands.IalsohavenofearusingHFstandshavehad2setsofthealuminumonesfor
10yrstoo.Onejackdidstopworkingbutithadafailsafe.Basicallythereleasefeaturestopped
working,soifyouwantedtolowerthestandyouhadtopullthetoppieceoutallthewayand
reinsert.
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Iwasinterestedinthatonealso,butnowtheDaytonaonehascaughtmyeye.Ihavebeenwantinga
longframejackforawhile,likeaoldBlackhawkbuteverythingIeverfindneedsrebuilt.Youcanbuythe
harborfreightjacksatadisposableprice,sincethesnaponjacksareforeignmadealsohastomake
youthink
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There'salinktothemanualforthe3tonDaytona.itsaysit's104lbs.Thatcouldexplainthealuminumversussteelhandleissue.Alsoifyouloo
pistonsthere,notsureifthesnaponhasonebutthosepistonslookinsane.plustheresaclaimonitthatsaysitlasts10xlongerthanotherjacks
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#32
Quote:
OriginallyPostedbyeksine
There'salinktothemanualforthe3tonDaytona.itsaysit's104lbs.Thatcouldexplainthe
aluminumversussteelhandleissue.Alsoifyoulookatthefrontpictureitshows2pistons
there,notsureifthesnaponhasonebutthosepistonslookinsane.plustheresaclaimonit
thatsaysitlasts10xlongerthanotherjacks,10x!
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woah,thatsalotoftimes!doesitsayifithaselecrolites?
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09052016,09:22AM
Mastermind
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#33
Ha^electrolytes.Iwillbewatchingthisthread,I'minthemarketforanewjack,my1970sorange
oneisleakingandlostsomeliftheight.FiguredI'dbuyonewhileIrebuild/repaintmine.Beeneying
thehfgreyone,localtireshophasafewandputsthemthrutheringerdaily,sayshe'syettohavea
problemwiththem.
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#34
Quote:
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woah,thatsalotoftimes!doesitsayifithaselecrolites?
Brawndo?
09052016,10:50AM
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#35
Quote:
OriginallyPostedbyPureLeaf
ImsurprisedtheHFjackweighsless.ThoughtthatChinesepotmetalwasfullofimpurities
likeleadtogiveitmoreweight
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ImastonishedtheHFjackweighsless.FeltthatChinesepotmetalwasbrimmingwith
pollutinginfluenceslikeleadtogiveitmoreweight
Oksowhatiswithrepeatingsomethingalreadymentionedinthethreadverbatim?
09052016,11:41AM
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#36
Quote:
OriginallyPostedbydavethorik
Oksowhatiswithrepeatingsomethingalreadymentionedinthethreadverbatim?
Almostidenticaltoo
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#37
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HadachancetovisitmylocalHFtolookatthisnewDaytonajack.Iknowlooksdoesn'tmean
anything,butitdoesoveralllooksandfeelsmuchbetterqualitythantheothersteeljacksnexttoit.
Weldsareveryclean,surfaceissmoothandpaintjustlooknicer.Triedafewpumps,actionfeltvery
smoothparticularlywhenlettingitgodown.PersonallyIliketheyellowcolor,morevisibilityandless
chancetoaccidentallykickitandhurtmyfeet.
09082016,09:25PM
#38
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Designedfor5000cycles.Whichmeanstheothersareonlydesignedfor500cycles,whichdoesn't
seemlikemuch.
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#39
CoachJames
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Noticedtodayalocalgaragehad2Daytonasintheirfrontworkarea.Bothwereblue.
Coach
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Didn'tnoticethisthreadtilnow.Iboughtone2weeksago
Eventheboxitcameinwasqualityatitsfinest.Verythick.Notthenormalflimsyhfboxthatbustsopen
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Wheelsaregreatlookingalongwithgreasefittings
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#41
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#42
Quote:
OriginallyPostedby90zcar
Didn'tnoticethisthreadtilnow.Iboughtone2weeksago
Canyoumeasurethesaddleheightatit'slowestpoint?HFlists3.5"inoneplace,and33/4in
another.That1/4"doesmakeadifferenceforme
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#43
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Youknowwhat,IthinkImispoke.Ithinkthat"rapidpump"thingisjustaratioofpumpsto
liftheightwhichisnotwhatIwastryingtoreference.Iwastalkingaboutthefootpump
whichallowsyoutoquicklyandeasilyraisethejacktoyourliftpointwithoutmovingthemain
handle.Thenonceyoumakecontactyouusethemainhandleasyouneedtheleverage.I'd
neverseenthatfeatureuntilIsawmyfriend'sfancy,expensivejackandhavebeenwanting
oneeverysince.NowthatHFhasonelikethatit'llforsurebemynextjackpurchaseunless
somethingbettercomesalongbeforeI'mreadytobuy.
Ihavethejackyou'rereferencing,andthefootpumpisnice,butIreallydon'tuseitoften.It
wouldn'tbeasellingpointaloneforme.Butoverall,itisagreatjackandIamverypleasedwithit.
It'slowenoughtoliftmyCamaroandgoeshighenoughtogetmytruckwellofftheground.
09092016,09:19AM
#44
90zcar
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Quote:
OriginallyPostedbyLoscaldazar
Canyoumeasurethesaddleheightatit'slowestpoint?HFlists3.5"inoneplace,and33/4in
another.That1/4"doesmakeadifferenceforme
Iwilldosoinanotherhourortwo
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Isitaresultofthecameraangle,oristhatsaddlenotlevelwiththerestofthejack?Thelinenearthe2"markonthetape,thepartthatlift
lookstobeparallelwiththeaxleofthejack.Thesaddledoesnotlookparalleltothatline.Isit?
09092016,01:32PM
#47
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almostsurelyparallaxerror,butalsowouldbeusefultoconfirm!
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#48
T45
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THEHFjackinthosepicslooksprettynice,wouldbegreattohearsomereviews.Thedetailedtech
specspostedearlierhoweverclearlyshowtwodifferentjacks(a2Tanda3T),thotheyarealso
clearlyblueprintedoffofthesameunderlyingdesign.
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#49
T45
SeniorMember
Interestingtonotetheheightismostlyinthewheels,whicharesmalleronthesnappytogetthe
minimumheightdown1/4inchto3.5from3.75.
Thatmeanstheliftisalso~1/2inchgreater,asthesnappyistoppingouthighermaxheightvsHF.
Lastly,thereisa1(!)subcomponentclearlydifferentintheHFunit,butthisisabouttheonlyovious
differenceintheengineeringdiagrams.Itmayalsohavetodowithbeinga2Tvs3Tdesign.
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Itwouldbequiteinterestingtoseeifitsworthdoinganytunerstylelightmodificationstothecheaper
jack.AnyofyoujackexpertswanttochimeinifacustoomrebuiltHFislikelybetterthananoutof
theboxunit?
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#51
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Snapondecidedtounderratethecapacityofthejack.Iamguessingtocovertheproverbialass.I
knowthattherepanddealerwereaskingpeopletotryandpickheavythings,thentakeapictureand
sendittothem.IsawtractortrailersupintheairandIliftedpartofmybigforkliftaswellasthe
entireassendofmyF350dumptruck.
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#52
Astro_Pneumatic_Tools
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Quote:
Snapondecidedtounderratethecapacityofthejack.Iamguessingtocoverthe
proverbialass.Iknowthattherepanddealerwereaskingpeopletotryandpickheavy
things,thentakeapictureandsendittothem.IsawtractortrailersupintheairandI
liftedpartofmybigforkliftaswellastheentireassendofmyF350dumptruck.
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Thisiscommoninprofessionallines.
Forinstanceonemightfindiftheyweretoinvestigatethatour250DPisa3tonjackthatwe
advertiseas2.5tonandtesttoatleast6tonduringQCandrepairsallegedly.
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#53
90zcar
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Quote:
OriginallyPostedbyL.Cheapo
Isitaresultofthecameraangle,oristhatsaddlenotlevelwiththerestofthejack?Theline
nearthe2"markonthetape,thepartthatliftsthesaddle,lookstobeparallelwiththeaxle
ofthejack.Thesaddledoesnotlookparalleltothatline.Isit?
It'sthewayI'mholdingmyphoneandtapemeasure.Believeitornotit'skindofdifficulttoholda
tapemeasureandlookatmyphonetohitthe"snap"buttononthescreenwhileholdingeverythingan
inchoffbegroundlol
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IfanyonewantsanymoremeasurementsoranythingletmeknowandI'llgetthem.Icanflopiton
myscaleaswelltogetaweightmeasurement.
IhaveusedthisJackacoupletimesnowanditisanawesomeJack.Itraisesuptothevehicleframe
soquickandpumpsupveryniceafterthat.Hasanicerealeaseandisquietwhenreleasingalso.The
Jackhandleisindeedsteelwhichmakesitanawesomeextensionpiecetouseonmybreakerbarin
thoserareinstances.
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#54
90zcar
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I'llpostmorepicstomorro.Itookoffthetopstickertogiveitalittleweightsavings...haha
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#55
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Quote:
Snapondecidedtounderratethecapacityofthejack.Iamguessingtocovertheproverbial
ass.Iknowthattherepanddealerwereaskingpeopletotryandpickheavythings,thentake
apictureandsendittothem.IsawtractortrailersupintheairandIliftedpartofmybig
forkliftaswellastheentireassendofmyF350dumptruck.
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Doubtful...Generallymanufacturerserratamaximumof25%aboveratedloadwiththesafetyvalve.
Themajorityofpeopletodayhavenoideahowmuchtonnagetheyarelifting,cracktheassendof
my1tontruck..Yep,Ibettergograbthe10tonJack.
Quote:
OriginallyPostedbyAstro_Pneumatic_Tools
Thisiscommoninprofessionallines.
Forinstanceonemightfindiftheyweretoinvestigatethatour250DPisa3tonjackthatwe
advertiseas2.5tonandtesttoatleast6tonduringQCandrepairsallegedly.
Ohboy...
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#56
Thanksfortheinfo,90Z.
HowlonguntiltheseappearoncraigslistwitharedresprayandaSnapOnlogo?
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#57
Thisjacklookslikeawinnersofar,onlytimewilltellforsure,butH.F.jacksseemtohaveadecent
reputationwiththenoncommercialcrowd.Iboughtoneofthe2tonlongframejacks2or3yearsago
andhavebeenhappywithitfortheoccasionaluseitsees,butI'dhavenoproblemdroppingafew
extradollarsforthisifithadbeenavailableatthetime.
09092016,06:45PM
Burgerkong
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#58
Quote:
OriginallyPostedbyT45
THEHFjackinthosepicslooksprettynice,wouldbegreattohearsomereviews.The
detailedtechspecspostedearlierhoweverclearlyshowtwodifferentjacks(a2Tanda3T),
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thotheyarealsoclearlyblueprintedoffofthesameunderlyingdesign.
IfyoulookcloselyattheSOdrawing,thecrossbarwheretheramslidesintoismerelyhiddenbythe
frame,it'sthesamealright.
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#59
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Quote:
OriginallyPostedbyBurgerkong
IfyoulookcloselyattheSOdrawing,thecrossbarwheretheramslidesintoismerelyhidden
bytheframe,it'sthesamealright.
"Buyonce,cryonce?"
09092016,09:06PM
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Justpickedoneuptoday.Prettybeefylookingunit.Seemsbiggerinpersonthaninthepictures.
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Quote:
Doubtful...Generallymanufacturerserratamaximumof25%aboveratedloadwiththe
safetyvalve.
Ittookalotmorethan5000poundsbeforetheSnapOnjackbypassed.
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Ittookalotmorethan5000poundsbeforetheSnapOnjackbypassed.
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AssumingyourtalkingabouttheFJ200nottheFJ300whichisbeingcomparedinthisthread?Iseeno
reasonthatthe3tonmodelwouldn'thandle5000lbseasily,Regardless,I'vetestedenoughjacksona
calibratedteststationtoknowManufacturersaren'tinthebusinessofsettinglimitsoutrageously
abovethejacksrating,it'snotonlytheHydraulicsystem/sealsthattheyareprotecting,butalsothe
frame/hardware,nottomentiontheliabilityinvolved.Ihatetoadmitit...Maybethereissomething
totheREDpaint<sarcasm.
Iwouldalsoliketoadd,IhadaconversationwithaengineerhereatGJwhenIfirstjoinedup,He
explainedthatthereisamechanicaladvantagewhenlifting"only"fromacornerorfront/rearthat
necessarilydoesn'tequatethetotalweightofthathalfofthevehicle.
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WhatIamsayingisthatthedaytonaandtheFJ200arethesameminustheseals/fluid/paintand
stickers.TheFJ200waspushedasgrosslyunderrated.IthoughttheFJ300wasalotbigger,but
apparentlyitisonlyafewpoundsheavierthantheFJ200andthedaytona.
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WhatIamsayingisthatthedaytonaandtheFJ200arethesameminustheseals/fluid/paint
andstickers.TheFJ200waspushedasgrosslyunderrated.IthoughttheFJ300wasalot
bigger,butapparentlyitisonlyafewpoundsheavierthantheFJ200andthedaytona.
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Iwon'tcommentonthe"pushforgrosslyunderrated",IunderstandtheDesireforSnaponto"push"
thereproductline.Iwon'tspeculateonwhetherthejacksutilizethesamesealcomponents,butI
haveagutfeelingandI'llleaveitatthat.I'msureitwon'tbelongbeforeIrunintooneorboth,I've
doneworkforSnapondealersinthepast,it'saprovenfactthatTechscanbreakanything,Ijust
needtogetmyhandsonaFJmodelhydraulicunitpriortobeshippedoff.
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WhatIamsayingisthatthedaytonaandtheFJ200arethesameminustheseals/fluid/paint
andstickers.TheFJ200waspushedasgrosslyunderrated.IthoughttheFJ300wasalot
bigger,butapparentlyitisonlyafewpoundsheavierthantheFJ200andthedaytona.
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Yousaythesealsaredifferent?Howdoyouknowthis.NotsayingthatIknowtheyaren'tbuthow
andwhydoyouthinktheyare?It'saseal....Ihonestlydon'tseeaChinesecompanymakingthe
sameJackandtheymakeonewithonesetandanotherwithadifferentsetbutyettheystillhighly
advertisethe3yearwarrantyontheHF
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Hiball
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Yousaythesealsaredifferent?Howdoyouknowthis.NotsayingthatIknowtheyaren'tbut
howandwhydoyouthinktheyare?It'saseal....Ihonestlydon'tseeaChinesecompany
makingthesameJackandtheymakeonewithonesetandanotherwithadifferentsetbut
yettheystillhighlyadvertisethe3yearwarrantyontheHF
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It'snotjustaseal,it'sthetypeofsealused,andwhencomparingaOring/retainertoaPolyUcupyou
areNightindayinregardstosealingabilityandmostimportantlylongevity.AndYes....These
Chinesecompaniesdomakejackstodifferentspecs,multipledifferentvarietiesacrosstheboard.It's
notjust1factorypumpingthesejacksout,Unlesssomeonehassomeinsightonthecomponentsof
theHFJackversustheSO,it'sallspeculation.
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Thisentirethreadistotalspeculation,thatiswhatmakesitfun.
Hiball,asfarasIhavebeentold,theFJ'sthreeyearwarrantyisareplacementpumpswap.The
dealerjustdoesaquickswapandsendstheoldoneback.
90zcar,accordingtosnapon,theydosomefinalassemblyintheStates,somaybetheychangethings
out,cleanthingsup,testthemout.Ofcourseitcouldmeantheyslapastickeronthem.
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Hiball,asfarasIhavebeentold,theFJ'sthreeyearwarrantyisareplacementpumpswap.
Thedealerjustdoesaquickswapandsendstheoldoneback.
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Yes,forthemostpartit'salwaysbeenapumpswap/repairforSnapon,IknowthisbecauseI've
handledsomeofthe"warranty"repairinthepastandkeptmultipledealersstockedwithfreshunits
andwaspaiddirectlybySnapon.
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AlocalgarageIpassbyeachdayhastwoDaytonasamongtheirstashofjacks.Iwasabitsurprised
asIassumedcommercialgarageswouldbeusinghighdollarjacks.Iguessthebossfigurestheyare
agoodvalue.
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Yes,forthemostpartit'salwaysbeenapumpswap/repairforSnapon,Iknowthisbecause
I'vehandledsomeofthe"warranty"repairinthepastandkeptmultipledealersstockedwith
freshunitsandwaspaiddirectlybySnapon.
Wait,soyourepairjacks?
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Iamactuallythinkingaboutbuyingoneofthedaytonajacksandsettingitsidebysidewiththe
FJ200,justforgiggles.
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HowdoestheDaytonacomparetoHF'sotherjackofferings?
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Wait,soyourepairjacks?
Iamactuallythinkingaboutbuyingoneofthedaytonajacksandsettingitsidebysidewith
theFJ200,justforgiggles.
I'mhopingyoudo.IwasgoingtoaskitsomeonefromMarylandwantedtospringforthesnappyand
I'llgettheDaytonaorvisaversa.Thenheadtoheadonedayatmyshop.
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OriginallyPostedbyRV8guy
HowdoestheDaytonacomparetoHF'sotherjackofferings?
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AlotofpeopleseemtoliketheotherHFjacksandhavegoodluckwiththem.Especiallyfortheprice.
Theyalsomakeareallynice2tonlowprifileJackthathadasaddleheightthat's2orsomeodd
inchestall.
IpersonallyhadanoldChinesecraftsmanJackthatwasabout15yearsoldthatstartedtogetalittle
tired.Honestlymademoresensetobutthisthantorepairthat.Plusthecraftsmanwasalittleonthe
tallside
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I'vehadgreatluckwithmy4tononefromHF.It'sabout4yearsold.BetterthanmyCraftsman3ton
Ihadbeforeit.I'dbeinterestedintheDaytonaoneifitcanliftintothe2324"range.
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US00D730612S
(12) James
United
States Design Patent do Patent No.:
et al.
(45) Date of Patent:
(54)
D332,337 S
1/1993 Wang
D480,196 S + 9/2003 Hsu ................................ D34/31
FLOOR JACK
D604,025 S
(71) Applicant; VIS, LLC, Travelers Rest, SC (US)
D688,845 S +
8,500,095 B1
(72) Inventors: Chad James, Greenville, SC (US);

Derek J Nash, Greer, SC (US); Robert
Fox, Greenville, SC (US); Joe Hawkins,
Greer, SC (US)
(73) Assignee. VIS, LLC, Travelers Rest, SC (US)
(**)
Term:
14 Years
(21) Appl. No.: 29/494,157

Jun. 18, 2014
(22) Filed:
(51) LOC (10) Cl.
(52) U.S. CI.
(58)
USPC ... D34/31

Field of Classification Search
US D730,612 S
::: May 26, 2015
8,608.131 B2
8,622,369 B2
11/2009 Lin
8/2013 Hernandez et al. ............ D34/31

8/2013 Salcedo
12/2013 Kania
1/2014 Kania
D720,514 S + 12/2014 Fox et al. ....................... D34/31

D720,914 S + 1/2015 Fox .....
..., D34/31
D720,915 S + 1/2015 Fox ................................ D34/31
2006/0278858 A1
12/2006 Brocchini
2008/0083.913 A1* 4/2008 Fang et al. .................... 254/8 B
* cited by examiner
Primary Examiner Cynthia Ramirez
(74) Attorney, Agent, or Firm Bennett Mullinax LLC
(57)
CLAIM
The ornamental design for a floor jack, as shown and

described.
CPC .............. B66F 13/00, B66F 1/00; B66F 5/04;
B66F 1/02; B66F 1/06; B66F 1/08; B66F

3/16; B66F 3/25, B66F 3/30, B66F 3/12:
B66F 3/18: B66F 3/24: B66F 3/247; B66F
3/28; B66F 3/35; B66F 19/00
USPC ......... D34/31, 28; 254/83, 84, 11, 93 H, 2 B,
254/88, DIG. 3, 48,94, 93 R, 8 B, 8 R, 2 R
See application file for complete search history.
(56)
References Cited
|U.S. PATENT DOCUMENTS
D284,417 S
D296,598 S
6/1986 Yamahishi
7/1988 Hung
DESCRIPTION
FIG. 1 is a perspective view of the floor jack as shown;

FIG. 2 is a top view of the floor jack as shown in FIG. 1;
FIG. 3 is a bottom view of the floor jack as shown in FIG. 1;
FIG. 4 is a front view of the floor jack as shown in FIG. 1;
FIG. 5 is a rear view of the floorjack as shown in FIG. 1; and,
FIG. 6 is a left side view, right side being mirror image thereof
of the floor jack as shown in FIG. 1.
The handle is partially shown and cut away in the figures for
convenience of illustration.
1 Claim, 6 Drawing Sheets
U.S. Patent
May 26, 2015
Sheet 1 of 6
US D730,612 S
U.S. Patent
May 26, 2015
Sheet 2 of 6
US D730,612 S
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U.S. Patent
May 26, 2015
Sheet 3 of 6
U.S. Patent
May 26, 2015
Sheet 5 of 6
US D730,612 S
U.S. Patent
May 26, 2015
Sheet 6 of 6
US D730,612 S
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IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE

EASTERN DISTRICT OF WISCONSIN

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JURISDICTION AND VENUE

Snap-on is a well-known designer, marketer, and seller of high-quality, high-end

tools, garage accessories, and other equipment.

Purchasers, customers and end-users purchase and use Snap-ons products

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On Harbor Freights website, Harbor Freight states it has 700+ Stores

Nationwide. (See Id.).

Harbor Freights Jacks are substantially identical in shape and appearance to

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Purchasers, customers, and/or end-users have been confused as to the source

e.g., Exhibit A).

minimum, a colorable imitation thereof. (See e.g., Exhibit C).

Without permission or license from Snap-on, Harbor Freight uses, manufactures,

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Harbor Freight has notice of its infringement as prescribed by 35 U.S.C. 287(a).

Harbor Freights infringement has been, and continues to be, willful.

The appearance of Snap-ons Jacks includes nonfunctional features that have

functional features of Snap-ons Jacks.

The appearance of Snap-ons Jacks constitutes protectable trade dress pursuant to

Section 43(a) of the Lanham Act.

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The appearance of Snap-ons Jacks includes nonfunctional features that have

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functional features of Snap-ons Jacks.

Harbor Freights actions constitute unfair competition and false designation, in

violation of Section 43(a) of the Lanham act, 15 USC 1125(a).

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The appearance of Snap-ons Jacks includes nonfunctional features that have

functional features of Snap-ons Jacks.

Harbor Freights actions constitute common law unfair competition.

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JURY TRIAL DEMAND

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3 Ton Daytona Professional Steel Floor Jack - Super Duty

This Daytona Super Duty 3 Ton Professional Steel Jack

3 Ton Daytona Professional Steel

Handle Length (in.)

Maximum Lift Height (in.)

Minimum height (in.)

Saddle dimensions (WxL)(in.)

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Harbor Freight Tools