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Plaintiff,
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Defendants.
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Before:
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District Judge
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APPEARANCES
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PREET BHARARA
United States Attorney for the
Southern District of New York
BY: TARA LaMORTE
Assistant United States Attorney
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BRACEWELL, LLP
Attorneys for NYC & Vicinity District Council
BY: BARBARA S. JONES
THERESA J. LEE
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APPEARANCES
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THE COURT:
I put together a
and issues that I am aware of from that report and also issues
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And then we
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Council.
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MR. McGORTY:
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introduce them.
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MR. STEWART:
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THE COURT:
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MR. LESNIEWSKI:
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Hold on a second.
Right here.
When you say "new," how new are you?
I began on June 20.
Oh, really new.
Likewise.
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THE COURT:
MR. BAHN:
THE COURT:
September 1.
Okay.
Please be seated.
That's a pretty
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director put in place within a few months after that date, your
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Honor, Regina Reardon, who had been here before and I reference
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in our report.
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the benefit funds made great efforts to find the right person
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officer, a CFO.
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THE COURT:
In doing so,
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now.
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MR. McGORTY:
Sure.
So I
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how it is structured --
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THE COURT:
He is the new
officer before?
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those responsibilities.
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THE COURT:
Fine.
There was an
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agenda, but after the welcome, so you will recall -- I know you
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right on it, and then there ensued a series of letters back and
forth from counsel for the benefit funds and also conversations
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of the letters were saying that the funds take the position
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delighted.
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has come up two or three times, and there has never been a
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meeting.
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back.
Never heard
it.
Mr. McGuire.
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I am over
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inside track.
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I could more
We could have
We could have
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Honor, and I believe Mr. McGorty has put together some dates
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MR. McGORTY:
THE COURT:
let's have the meeting and I will explain what people should
know then, but I am very much up on the issue, and I think more
than ever that some hard look needs to be taken, and that's
I do think we need
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the record of this case and at one point somebody had some
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and, as I have been studying over the last weeks, there are so
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So, anyway --
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If I may, so I filed
to see you.
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Nice
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said.
the fund, obviously maximizing the returns for the members, and
will take advantage of that and obviously work with the monitor
THE COURT:
We
Thanks.
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Mr. McGorty?
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around there.
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Benefit Funds."
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issue.
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fund.
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there is a report.
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counsel and from Mr. McGorty under seal, and one being the
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seal.
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how much.
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I don't
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until now because the parties asked, but this is not the kind
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aware of it.
that the issues were uncovered years ago, several years ago,
tenure.
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about people getting benefits who are not paying for them and
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what was going on, and they just kept going back and forth and
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But
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you could help me out -- I don't even know what the number
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involved is.
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or three years.
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a railroad, though.
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you have aired this issue, to be very clear, this was brought
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I understand.
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THE COURT:
Understood.
Because that I don't think happened until
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2015, maybe even later than that, and the thing was kicking
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you, the trustee's counsel, once they knew about it, they got
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ahold of you, etc., but way too long and too much intransigence
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can't just jump over to when it surfaced and we did the right
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thing, because it took way too long to get surfaced and nobody
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THE COURT:
I do not have a
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So there
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were.
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So if
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looked into the issue and outlined our findings in the report
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MR. McGORTY:
They have
In 2015?
We have had
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they have taken the issues that it raised quite seriously and
But
I believe
address this if they want -- but one of the issues they raise,
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well-intended.
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We have
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Ballpark?
Your Honor, I'm going to have to leave
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bench.
As Mr. McGorty --
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number right.
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accurate.
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place, we have been working with them in just the short period
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of time we have been retained to make sure that we have got the
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numbers right and the dollars right and obviously could take
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complexities.
Respectfully,
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And I understand
instinct initially.
I am.
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And, you know, when you figure out what the number is
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and what the cause or what the solution is, that's fine, but I
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think it is, what, at least two, three years that this thing
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has been germinating, or whatever the word is, and we are way
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the number was 700 to $800,000; then the next number that I saw
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picking numbers out of the sky, and the members should be aware
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of that.
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It is not a
We can't be
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MR. JOHNSON:
make sure that we clarify the record that the facts are clear,
THE COURT:
I understand that it is
So we will continue
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think we should have the meeting with the trustees and see what
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No, we agree.
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Unless
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Good.
All right.
By the way --
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look like union people, but I don't know that union people have
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a particular look or not, but there are some -- yes, they are
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waving.
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A VOICE:
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THE COURT:
Yes, please.
So we would need a sign-in sheet.
So we
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will save some time, as I do, for people who wish to be heard.
Judge Jones, could we move to District Council now?
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No?
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Okay.
parts of this.
THE COURT:
Okay.
That's fine.
MS. JONES:
Thank you.
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agreements.
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terms of implementation.
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been made.
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just that.
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District Council.
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are in place right now with the simple caveat that the
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THE COURT:
MS. LEE:
THE COURT:
Is it working now?
Yes, it is working now, but once the -Maybe for people who may not know, explain
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The shop
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both him or herself and all of the other members working on the
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job site.
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like to use their own smart phones, so they are only carrying
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which are a little more unwieldy than just your iPhone in your
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pocket.
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MS. LEE:
who have not reported the time as they are supposed to, the
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receives a feed of the hours for which benefits are paid so the
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to the District Council and also that the benefits are being
sort of back in the early days, Judge Haight's days, was large
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actually worked?
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the job site were sort of cutting cash deals, where they
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out from both sides, your Honor, to make sure that the hours
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are being reported worked and the benefits expected are being
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paid.
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THE COURT:
So it ties it
same report goes to the benefit funds when it goes to -MS. LEE:
No.
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what the benefit fund receives because the contractors have two
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THE COURT:
Okay.
implementation?
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Getting the feed to tie out was one of the issues that I
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your Honor.
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I see.
And so, in addition to having the feed tie
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where the steward can report hours, each member of the District
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Council also can log in via their UBC number to the Watchdog
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portal, which shows them their whole job site, your Honor, so
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the hours that were reported for everyone on their job site had
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particular day, and can have confidence that his benefits are
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Yes.
all of their names are there and all of their -- each of their
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actually a member on the job site such that there are potential
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The
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Watchdog, and as the IM has said, and also I believe the review
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members.
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-- two-man jobs.
Yes.
I don't necessarily
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of the RO or IM hotline.
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MR. McGORTY:
We have
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Okay.
It
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percent or whatever.
in progress?
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just described?
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functions.
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I guess.
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which would interface most directly with what we have just been
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system.
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launches properly.
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MS. LEE:
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Okay.
Thank you.
Here is a broader question either for you
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need to have a long discussion, but, Judge Jones, was that good
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deal?
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suggest that these are the only two provisions that were
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but do you think people still feel that this was the right
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deal, so to speak?
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need because there are members there, even though there are no
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Presumably
they are not going to be calling the hot line, as Ms. Lee has,
the --
Leaving that
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Sure.
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Why?
Well, because our role here and our
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So, from that perspective, do you -From that perspective, we support the
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anyone.
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guess.
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nonmembers.
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Probably not so
surprising.
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to the scene.
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I am going
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Okay.
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-- in just a minute.
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people --
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reporting or not?
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that database.
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At the
hours.
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has five days from payday to submit those hours, because that
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that the tie-out with the feed from the benefit funds can still
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work, because the council would have that before the benefit
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necessary.
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MS. LEE:
Yes.
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also has its investigators that it can send out to that job if
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Okay.
Anybody else?
If
I am
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data, right?
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there were so many hours put in and that the contractor owed X
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been that, when money was delinquent or not paid at all, the
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underpayment.
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your Honor.
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discrepancies.
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business or whatever.
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think the numbers are being revealed that they are not as
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certain grievances that are just too old, too complicated, not
sooner.
categories and help them make some hard decisions about what
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categories?
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There is.
And it has staff?
It is.
right.
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department?
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for arbitration.
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you recently had.
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receive it.
soon as possible.
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They don't
amount of time.
We
We generally do
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Wall and Ceiling in one day, hear their grievances, BCA, GCA,
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a hearing.
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settle it.
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overnight, and a member goes out and they go to work and they
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It is pretty
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arbitration.
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look at them.
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Notice is issued.
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It goes to arbitration
resolved.
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next?
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You refer
it?
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To some degree.
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arbitration.
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Great.
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So now litigation.
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know the status, but first is the NLRB case that is pending in
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MS. LEE:
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Yes.
So that's been appealed to the Second
Circuit.
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It is being
Roth from that firm, who I believe came and met your Honor on
an earlier occasion.
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Honor.
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implications?
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I do think that if
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figure out, I am, what the next steps are or hear from the
union, what they think the next steps are with respect to this
issue.
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MS. JONES:
either.
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their opinion.
But whatever.
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issue that was remanded to your Honor from the Second Circuit,
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anticorruption efforts.
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have we taken.
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I can tell
With respect to
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And that's
Contractors Association.
BCA, and that was appreciated, but we are not getting any
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and say, How many times did you invoke or like that?
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number of occasions.
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problem is, and then how these are working beyond that, once we
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town?
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Yes.
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MS. JONES:
Well, yes.
by definition.
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It is a two-man job,
So grievance is --
Does the
job happen?
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So they do it?
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I got it.
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I gotcha.
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Right.
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raised to us for the first time, that is, the amount of times
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What's that?
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We discussed that.
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summer.
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Early summer.
them.
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Whatever.
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agreement.
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Council.
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And this is
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agreement.
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It is assigned a District
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time was that, with this alternate route to two-man job under
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five years.
baseline, prior to the May 2013 CBA, I think that would give
you some idea of the number of times our members invoke the
international agreement.
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Wait a minute.
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So you represent --
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better.
Wait a minute.
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members.
The job is
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maintains its data; but, as I said, if somebody invokes the -THE COURT:
Wait a minute.
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international agreement check the box on the form for IA, the
data.
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information.
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contractors are members of the BCA who are based outside the
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Right.
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have active jobs currently and over the last four or five years
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Six?
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Invoked it?
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MR. BRAID:
I don't know.
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Yes.
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Correct.
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Council --
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Yes.
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right?
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Right.
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question.
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That's what I am
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That's
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it?
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for the job initiation forms that our members file, we will be
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anticorruption provision.
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have any impact, how in the world can your members be -MR. BRAID:
with the BCA is that, unlike the Wall and Ceiling contractors,
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something here, but I know Mr. Murphy had been asking for this.
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look at all the grievances were in the computer and you could
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In the normal
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that it has been confirmed that our members have the right to
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Hasn't happened.
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Correct.
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the uncertainty over the last three years, that could affect
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Mr. DeLollis, but I'm not sure if it was you -- pardon me,
Mr. Rosen.
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Mr. Rosen?
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agree.
We agree.
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For the association to come out and say that they have
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So they are well aware of what's going
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good-faith effort to try and figure out what this universe is,
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We will, Judge.
when you don't have a member there to validate the hours, yes,
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Okay.
hear from the union, so state your name clearly, and let's hear
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Bill Walsh.
My name is
sitting delegate.
This is regarding a letter that you received to put on
the docket for today.
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what I found out today about you were supposed to have the
We didn't hear
some kind of -- some dialogue like it was done in the past with
other cases.
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don't want this to slip through the cracks and not let the
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the EST to all the locals that pretty much scorned my behavior
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dissension and the whole thing, and I hope you will let Brother
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Got it.
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well.
day.
It would be nice
I know they
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appreciate it.
Thank you.
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Mr. Kelty.
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Thank you.
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K-E-L-T-Y.
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Thank you.
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the motion, pretty much read this letter out at the meeting,
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remind me.
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All right.
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bombs at Dan and, when he was walking out the door, stopped and
he had couple more F bombs to throw at him and then left the
room.
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out of order.
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it up.
an investigation is completed.
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what I had to say about the whole incident doesn't give him any
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I have another.
Okay.
I got it.
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THE COURT:
I hear you.
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fairness is going on, and you know all about the Daley case.
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running for office while this guy gets a slap on the risk.
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is anybody else.
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us to speak.
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union.
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from being an elected officer, and you were just told of Rob
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I mean, it is
hammered.
months.
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behind me.
Thank you.
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you the last one, and then I might ask you, Mr. McGorty, if you
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Okay.
Good evening, your Honor.
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following spring.
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than nothing.
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in and see the time of any job so that they can verify for
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able to see any other member of New York City on any job.
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representation.
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speculation.
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daily.
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information about the job and I was saying that it was -- the
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But I admitted no
I found out that nothing that gets put in that box gets
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quorum.
everybody.
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documentation.
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the previous meeting until the following month, they are almost
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getting $300 for doing the presidential duty and $200 a month
listed as assistants.
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violation.
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The news
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been told it's not intentional, and I don't agree with that and
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The benefit
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have individually met with most members of the union who spoke
together and there are delegates there and there are other
folks from the locals and the same individuals make comments
and other folks who are not here make comments, and it does
But
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have been here, and I have struggled to try and figure out what
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things that are motivating the members to be upset are not the
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disagreement.
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situation where I didn't think that the issues that they have
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inaccurate.
things.
letter.
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asked for my report, and I sent it the day I filed it with your
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Your Honor, I will make sure that it is by the next time -- not
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