anso17 A litle Gap between STAAD Analysis and AISC ASD - RAM | STAD Forum - RAM | STAAD -Bertley Communities Alittle Gap between STAAD Analysis and AISC ASD Hithere guys I've been calculating with STAAD Pro. & by myself and I realized that there are a little difference between two answers. When you analyze steel structure, usually you apply the AISC Code (ASD). I did two experiment, first | used STAAD Pro. analysing stress on brace which is a member of trussed structure, and then I calculated by myself with the Code book. In this case, according to the AISC, | could get the allowable stress data by formula like 0.45*Fy. but after | used STAAD | was suprised that the answer was not same as my own. | assume that it was because | didnt set up the RATIO in parameter option. After | set up RATIO data 0.45, | finally got the right answer. Here's my question : Does STAAD Pro. get the AISC ASD Code right in case like this? Or do | have to set some kinda RATIO in parameter section to get the right answer? It seems like Ineed to set up RATIO.. but would like to hear from you guys. Thanks to all, Heying @ SteolDesign @ STAAD hpvieommuries bentley comipraducsletrucuralistructual_analyis_designtsaa2070714 16anso17 A litle Gap between STAAD Analysis and AISC ASD - RAM | STAD Forum - RAM | STAAD -Bertley Communities 5 Replies (Most Recent Reply’ B* kis Sathia Without more details, itis diffcult to explain why there is difference. Such as, what is the cross section (Wide flange, channel, angle, etc.) What is the member length? What are the design parameters - LY, LZ, FYLD, etc. What are values of the member end and intermediate section forces - axial, bending moments, etc. The RATIO parameter is needed only if you want to change the right hand side of the interaction equations of the code in question (such as H1-1, H1-2, H1-3, etc. in Chapter H of the AISC Sth edition specifications) from 1 to something else, such as say 1.33 or 0.8 for example. Ifyou can post your hand calculations and STAAD model and state the member number and load case for which you find a mismatch, we can take a look. A better option is to contact our technical support group (selectservices.bentley.com) In reply to Kris Sathia: Dear Kris, Thanks for your replying and I'm attaching my calculation&STAAD Pro. file. Material is Steel and I just set up FYLD and UNB, UNT. Itis just a experimental model. I checked the brace(#42) about load case 2, and the stress data is 280.700, 269.559, 258.419, 247.279, 236.139 at each distance from the start node. but After | calculated with AISC code the answer was 111.69585N/mm2, from [250N/mm2*0.45] (250N/mmz is yield strength of steel) The formula lused is 0.45*Fy, which is for pin-connected members. and | found the corner 1,2,3 on the stress table, what do they mean? I checked the default ratio is 1.0, and | thought I need to change it for each member, like ratio for column member and for beam would not have same ratio. htpesleommuries bontley.com/producsisrucuralistructural_analysis__design 5802070714 26aiiso17 A ile Gap batween STARD Andy rd AISC ASD - RAM | STAAD Forum - RAM | STAAD -Berey Communities Also I'm wondering if STAAD Pro. recognizes by itself which one is compression member or tension member. For example, when | modeled a Column, Does STAD anlyze the member as a compression member? By that means STAD Pro has its own algorythm about discriminate the members. Here | attach the STAD file. Thanks a lot, Heying 3D 2Bay Frame-r2.std B* kis Sathia Heying, This is technically too detailed to discuss in this forum. | am providing you with some suggestions at this time. But if you have further questions, it would be best to contact our technical support group. Though all the input can be created using the STAAD GUI, it is also worth knowing the commands to ensure that the data written into the STAAD input file doesn't contain any errors. To implement the suggestions described below, use the STAD editor. 1. Under load case 1, you have SELFWEIGHT Y -1 LIST 1 TO 6117013 Your structure has 41 members and only 9 of them appear in this list. If you want the weight of all members considered, change it to SELFWEIGHTY -1 When no list is provided, it defaults to ALL 2. Lines 63 to 65 are PARAMETER 1 CODE AISC htpesleommuries bontley.com/producsisrucuralistructural_analysis__design 5802070714 a6anso17 A litle Gap between STAAD Analysis and AISC ASD - RAM | STAD Forum - RAM | STAAD -Bertley Communities CHECK CODE ALL Following this, you have PARAMETER 2 CODE AISC UNB 6 MEMB 11 TO 1324 T0 275253, UNT 6 MEMB 11 TO 13 24T0 275253 UNB 10 MEMB 28 TO 39 RATIO 0.45 MEMB 40 TO 515455 FINISH It means that the code check (line 65) is done before the parameters UNB, UNT and RATIO are read, You have to reverse the sequence as described below. ‘Also, why are you assigning RATIO as 0.45? As | said last time, RATIO is used to modify the right hand side of the interaction equations. Itis generally not done except for increasing the allowables by 33% for wind and seismic as per the AISC code. The other reason for using it is to do a member selection with some reserve margin of capacity to offset any potential increase in stresses. Ifitis left out, the equations will be checked against an allowable value of 1.0. So, you need to change lines 63 to 71 to PARAMETER 1 CODE AISC UNB 6 MEMB 11 TO 13 24 T0 275253 UNT 6 MEMB 11 TO 13 24 T0 27 5253 UNB 10 MEMB 28 TO 39 TRACK 2 ALL CHECK CODE ALL FINISH htpesleommuries bontley.com/producsisrucuralistructural_analysis__design 5802070714 48anszorr A ile Gap batween STARD Andy rd AISC ASD - RAM | STAAD Forum - RAM | STAAD -Berey Communities Save the file and run the analysis. Go to the output file. You will find that member 42 fails in slenderness with a ratio of 1.159. The type of axial force associated with the failure is compressive. Slenderness failure means that the maximum Kl/r (in this case, KL/rz is equal to 231.88) exceeds the allowable of 200 for compression. Ifyou want to instruct the program to skip the slenderness check, add the line MAIN 1.0 MEMBER 42 just before the CHECK CODE ALL statement. Run the analysis again and view the output file. You will then run into another problem due to the axial compressive stress exceeding the Euler stress as per the code. The only solution for that is to use a larger section. One other thing. You have specified a command LOAD LIST 1 to 6 just prior to the PARAMETER command. This tells the program to design the members for all 6 cases. Normally, only the combination cases are checked. If you want to do this, you need to changeit to LOAD LIST 56 S* kis Sathia In reply to Heving Lee: ‘Also, the answers to your questions are: Your question: Also I'm wondering if STAAD Pro. recognizes by itself which one is compression member or tension member, ‘Answer: Yes. It is based on the nature of the axial force in the member for the load case being checked. Your question: For example, when I modeled a Column, Does STAD anlyze the member as a compression member? By that means STAD Pro has its own algorythm about discriminate the members.. Answer: htpevicommuries bentley com/praducsletrucuralistructural_snalysis__designWtsaG2070716 86anszorr A ile Gap batween STARD Andy rd AISC ASD - RAM | STAAD Forum - RAM | STAAD -Berey Communities ‘Amember may be in axial compression for some load cases and axial tension in others. Depending on that, the rules used in the design may vary from load case to load case. Those rules are laid out in the design code under chapters like D, E, F, etc. for AISC 9th edition. Finally, the rules of Chapter H - called interaction equations - are used to determine the interaction ratio and thus, see if the member passes or fails. © Heving Lee In reply to Kei Sathia: Thanks Kris, ithelped mea lot. really appreciate it. have a great day! htpesleommuris bontley.com/producsistrucuralistructural_analysis__design 5802070714 8