Atmakaraka and Arudha Lagna

Arudha lagna is the illusionary belief system based on our indoctrination and what we consider as good and bad, what we consider
as right and wrong. It is always black and white, the good guys and bad guys are based on this indoctrination by society (Moon)
and mental experiences (Moon-manas) which is based on memory which agai is a function of selective retention (Jupiter) and
selective erosion (Saturn) based on how pleasant they were. This emotion of pleasant memory and otherwise is subjective to the
individual and will vary based on the rasi where the arudha lagna is. The arudha lagna is this illusion that is created by the
intelligence (lagna and paka lagna).

Now come to the possibility where the arudha lagna and atmakaraka are in the same sign. To be in the same sign it becomes
imperative that the lagnesa and at atmakaraka are different planets. The indoctrination of the society of influence is indicated by the
arudha lagna. Moon is the significator for this showing the primary indoctrination coming from the society connected with home -
mother, mother tongue, family, childhood days etc. Jupiter is a great benefic for the fame and shows the indictrination coming from
the learning that the society offers.

Now Atmakaraka is like a Jyotirlinga. It holds tremendous knowlege - the knowledge of the paramesthi guru - the knowlegde of
Shiva. This knowledge when coming into contact with any arudha or any graha pada throws up the *untruth* associated with the
indoctrination. After all Shiva is - satyam shivam sundaram.

That is why when the arudha lagna and the atmakaraka come together, the person starts to question the indoctrination of society.
He challenges the teachings of the society and may reject many such teachings. Let us examine some of these cases (since you
take the trouble of giving the example, its my pleasure to continue the thread).

1. Mahatma Gandhi has atmakaraka Jupiter, so his arudha lagna and AL are not the same. I use the time of 7.30 am LMT for his
chart as is reported widely. The change came for him due to the *atmakaraka replacement* caused by the Moon and Jupiter being
in the same degree. So at about 24 -32 years of age he will change very drastically. When this change will occur, the arudha lagna
and *new atmakaraka* will become one in Cancer and he questioned the political system of the day as he has Rahu influencing
the atmakaraka Moon. He questioned the untruth in it and started to show the path to *RAMA RAJYA* through satyagraha.
Remember New AK Moon is with Rahu.

2. Jiddu Krishnamuti has the Sun atmakaraka in arudha lagna in Aries. This is the most royal sign and the Sun relates to father.
There is a dictum which states that the Sun in the 1st or 7th house in Aries/Libra - native is abandoned by parents. This is true
both for Bhagavan Sri Rama and Jiddu Krishnamurti who had Sun in AL in Aries and Saturn in 7th house. Krishnamurti lost his
mother in 1905 and was finally adopted by Helena Blavatsky in 1910. Then there was a legal dispute over parental custody
between Blavatsky and Jiddu Narasimah (Krishnamurti's biological father). It finally ended when Krishnamurti finall appeared at the
Privy council and chose Blavatsky instead of his father. [at this stage the arudha lagna dominated over the atmakaraka as
Krishnamurti was only 18 years old]. However, the atmakaraka started rising after his 28 years of age as it is in Aries - this was
triggered by two events (1) death of father [Sun] in 1924 and (2) death of brother [Mars] in 1925. Look at the Sun in Aries as AK.
Then in 1929 on the opening day of the annual Star Camp at Ommen, Holland, Krishnamurti dissolved the Order before 3000
members. This was the complete and total rejection of the arudha. He questioned the fundamental basis of the guru-shisya
parampara and said that the spiritual path was a path to freedom while the guru-shisya parampara of spiritual lineages in India
were a kind of bondage. Remember AK Sun in AL is aspected by Saturn.

3. Dr. B.V.Raman has the atmakaraka Moon with Saturn in the arudha lagna and just like the other two cases, he questioned the
basic theory that jyotisa should not be taught to foreigners as (1) Jyotisa was a vedanga and (2) it should not be taught in foreign
languages. He was the first one to break free from this in a large scale teaching of jyotisa through the Astrological Magazine. To do
this he needed to have another yoga as mentioned in Deva Keralam: The association of the lords of the 6th and 8th houses in a
yoga with either the 5th lord or the 5th house. Such a person will teach the vedas and vedanga to foreigners in a foreign land and
in a foreign language. In Dr Raman's chart we find that the fifth lord Mercury is also the 8th lord and is in kendra to Moon (sarada
yoga) and with the dharma-karmadhipati yoga (highest yoga necessary to teach veda/vedanga).

The point I am trying to make is that when you say (1) questionig process, there must be a suitable combination showing the
questioning process and unless we have a saturn or Rahu involved what will trigger the questioning? Saturn indicates sorrow and
suffering that triggers questioning while causes shocks to start the questioning. (2) Many factors that you state should be defined
and in general is it necessary to achieve by teaching this knowledge to others? There are millions who have had similar lessons
but did not bother to go out and teach it to others like the three we discussed above did. In each of their cases there were yogas
outside the cmbination of AK and AL to support the activity that is required after the questioning process. (3) You have correctly
pointed out that a harsh situation accelerates the questioning and change - this is perfectly right but then it must translate into
*jyotisa language* which I have done by adding the terrible taste of the malefic planets.

Finally Bharat, thanks for this. It made me see my own chart and wonder why I have done what I did so far and whether I should
continue doing it. [Aug 7, 1963; 9.15 Pm Sambalpur, India] How many more harsh lessons will Saturn give.

One more point - the final decision shall also depend on factors outside the AK, AL story. Lets try these - Why did Krishnamurti
reject the Guru-shisya parampara of ancient India? Did the makara lagna have a say? Why did Gandhi take to Satyagraha on the
one hand and dilly dally with satyagraha in sexual control? Did the Libra lagna with Mars and Venus have a say?