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Presented by
Sue Melrose
Nafisa Keels
Moderated by
Doug Anzlovar
Moderator
Youre listening to Seminars at Hadley. This seminar
is the Slate and Stylus, Braille Medias Pen and
Paper, presented by Sue Melrose and Nafisa Keels,
moderated by Doug Anzlovar.
Doug Anzlovar
Okay, lets begin todays seminar again, my name is
Doug Anzlovar, I am the Dean of Educational
Programs and Instruction here at The Hadley School.
Todays topic is the Slate and Stylus, Braille Medias
Pen and Paper.
Nafisa Keels
Thank you Doug. I am going to start with the history
of writing for the blind with the slate and stylus in
The Braille code and the Slate and Stylus have roots
in a Military application. Back in 1819, Captain
Charles Barbier [DeLaSare] met a challenge set by
Napoleon to develop a night writing system for
soldiers to use at night time to communicate on a
battlefield. In its early development the slate and
stylus had many more dots, and the system was more
phonetic than it was alphabetic. But the general idea
of embossing on the spot with a pointed instrument
into a form to make impression on paper is by an
individual made it a portable and useful tool from the
beginning.
Sue Melrose
Okay, the advantages and disadvantages of the slate
and stylus, the most obvious one of course is that the
slate and stylus is very portable, just like a pencil, the
slate and stylus can be thrown in a purse or put in
your pocket, or just grabbed and carried along in a
notebook. It also doesnt require any batteries, and
most of us who use computer technology today know
the feeling of losing the battery at the most critical
point. The slate and stylus is also very flexible in its
use.
Nafisa Keels
Thank you Sue. The next thing that we will discuss
are the variety of slates and styluses. I have pulled
up a slide here.
Vileen Shah
Hello this is Vileen Shah, Instructor at the Hadley
School. The best feature I like is about the slate and
stylus is portability, you can carry it in your purse or
pocket and use it any time you want to jot down
something. I just wanted to share a little bit; I had the
fortune to use the same slate and stylus that Louie
Braille had developed when I was in Paris attending
the biennial ceremony of Louis Brailles birthday in
2009.
Nafisa Keels
Well thank you for sharing that Vileen, thats very
nice. What an honor. I have pulled up a slide here of
a few varieties of slates, they come from all over the
Sue Melrose
Okay, yes, Nafisa mentioned most of the most
common slates, but there are some fun ones as well.
Well there is a common one thats an index I think
she mentioned the index card slate, where you just
slide it in, the metal is already put together. It doesnt
open up, you slide the index card in from the bottom,
and its exactly six lines and the width of the card.
And then there are all kinds of notebooks that you can
buy with slates in them already, where the slate is
designed to be exactly the size of the page of the
notebook, and the American Printing House for the
Blind has several of those kind of notebooks including
a datebook that has a calendar and then lots of
tabbed pages, so you can put notes to yourself, and
put them between whatever page of the calendar
thats appropriate.
Now, while you hold the paper in place with your right
hand, you close the slate with your left hand making
sure that all four pins are punched. Push down on the
top of the slate so that it really punches through those
holes, because if you dont punch through the holes,
then the paper is liable to move while youre writing.
And now your middle, ring and little fingers just curl in
a gentle fist to stay out of the way. Okay lets put this
holding your stylus, lets put the tip of the stylus, the
sharp point into the very first cell of the slate, and we
always write from right to left on the slate, and thats
the reason why, because youre pushing down, and
youll need to take the paper out and turn it over to
read it.
Nafisa Keels
Thank you very much Sue. Well that you know how
to write or how to hold the stylus and load your paper,
youll want to practice. And just to get you started and
understanding the learning process, and just so you
dont expect too much from yourself, Ill let you know
that when I was first learning, developing the skill for
the slate and stylus for me required small bits of
practice throughout the day with frequent breaks to
avoid fatigue.
Sue Melrose
Okay, I was noticing that there is a lot of questions on
the chat about metal slates and plastic slates and
what kind of styluses and all that, and it really ends up
being personal preference. Plastic slates, Ive
replaced a few more plastic slates than metal ones,
however, I must let you know that even if you spend
the money and buy a metal one, they do spring and
so eventually sometimes you cant get the slate to
stay closed very well.
Nafisa Keels
Yes, I did notice a couple of questions caught my eye,
and I wanted to just give my perspective on my
travels. Two times people have asked is it best to
start with the slate and stylus and then go to the
braillewriter, and I would have to say that in my travels
to other countries, that is the practice. I have visited
schools in China and Russia and they both start with
the slate and stylus first and make sure that students
master that before they have earned the privilege to
use a braillewriter.
Doug Anzlovar
Thank you Nafisa and Sue. I will open up the floor for
questions here for either Nafisa or Sue.
Susan Fisher
Hi this is Susan Fisher, thanks Nafisa and Sue. I just
wanted to mention the fact that with the Braille
Literacy Series, you begin writing braille in Braille
Literacy Three, and the very first lesson is a lesson
with the slate and stylus, that is followed by the
Sue Melrose
Yes, I agree with Susan Fisher and I think what we
need to keep in mind is that like sighted people find
pens and pencils handy, the slate and stylus is equally
handy for the blind. And so its just a tool that we
should just automatically teach, unless there is some
reason not to, because it does allow for such
flexibility, portability and anywhere, anytime use.
Kelly Superja
Hi, this is Kelly Superja; I have a couple of questions
regarding slates and styluses. First of all I was
looking on APHs website just now, and I saw that
they had some slates and styluses with one having
what they called pins up and then the other pins
down. And Im just wondering what that means. And
as well with my slate, which is a six line slate, there is
a couple of big holes in the sort of the top right on
the first two it looks like its almost of the width of the
first two lines, and I was wondering if you know what
those would be for?
Sue Melrose
Yes, those are both good questions. Pins up and pins
down, the four pins that hold the paper in place, the
pins up are the ones that are more traditional, thats
where you put the paper in and then the pins come up
through the paper. Pins down where the pins are on
the top part of the slate, and when you close the slate
the pins push down through the page, thats designed
so that you can open your slate then and the paper
will stay on the top of the slate, and you can read it
without taking it away from the pins. Some people
find that real handy and some people find it a little
awkward, but thats the purpose. It was so that you
could keep your paper in the slate, in position, open it
up and read it.
Susan Fisher
Its Susan Fisher. I was ordering some slates from
the American Printing House for the Blind, and I
contacted their customer service representative and
he and I had a nice discussion about pins up and pins
Walter Grims
My name is Walter Grims; I am a P&R technician. I
use a slate and stylus every day, and I used to have
years ago a reversible stylus where you could
unscrew the point off of the stylus and store it in the
handle so that when like myself, I would carry it in my
pocket, I wouldnt get stuck with the point of the
stylus. Thats my first question, I was wondering if
you knew if they were still available and where.
Sue Melrose
Again, you can buy paper at places like American
Printing House for the Blind and the Independent
Living and RNIB and CNIB. I find though that if I just
go to my office supply place and ask for either 60
weight or 100 weight paper, 60 weight is pretty good
for just about anything youd want to do. 100 weight
is very heavy, its the traditional braille paper and its
harder to write on but it does last longer.
Walter Grims
I also wondered what, if you recommend like carrying
a six-line slate or an eight-line slate, say 19 cell and
what you find to be the most convenient. Right now,
Ive got a six-line 19 cell and I think its pretty fair
when Ive got pins up on them, on the slate. Oh and
you didnt cover the stylus if you knew where you
Sue Melrose
The last time I bought one, I got it from APH, but
honestly its been years ago, I dont know. I can
check into that, though, and if I find one Ill add it to
the resource list.
Linda Perry
Hi this is Linda Perry, Im one of the Hadley Braille
teachers, and when I first started at Hadley many
moons ago, one of the instructors gave me a gift
because she had been my instructor for a Hadley
course when I was much younger, she got me the
reversible stylus, and I think that it came from Perkins,
Perkins.org in their product section. I used it for years
and years and years, all the time because I did a lot of
note taking with the stylus back then. The final thing,
the straw that broke the camels back with it was that
the stylus just broke right off, and I dont know if that
happens regularly, but I had put it to great use for
probably almost ten years.
Nafisa Keels
Two people have asked the question about what age
you would recommend the slate and stylus be
introduced to children. And as a teacher in a
Linda Perry
This is Linda Perry again, and I have to say that I was
raised in the public school started when I was five and
I think the idea back then was that our hands were too
small to hold the styluses, or that our hands would be
damaged holding the styluses all the time, but
thinking back, I wish that I had started out with the
slate and stylus. I begged to learn it when I was in
junior high, because I got tired of carrying the brailler
from class to class and I was embarrassed by the
noise it made.
Sue Melrose
Yes, again, at the schools for the blind, they teach
them early. Your hands are not too small, there is a
small stylus, we just didnt have any problems, and I
can tell you that those who learn it early are good with
it. Those who tend to wait until junior high, Linda is an
exception; honestly, they dont want to give it the time,
because they dont want to stop and slow down again.
Doug Anzlovar
Sue and Nafisa, a question has come into the text
chat, sometimes I lose my place and have to take the
paper and count the number of spaces. Is there a
better method doing this?
Caller
I hope you guys dont mind, Im sorry if I come in here
and say what I teach my students, and that is that the
slate the stylus itself can be used like a cane, and if
you touch in the cells lightly, if youre already written in
that cell the stylus will fall down into the holes, if you
havent the cell should feel kind of flat and not you
should be able to move around it easily. And if your
paper has been place in correctly and you made all
the holes to hold it in place, then you should be use
that to figure out where you were. Another thing that I
do also is I open the slate, stick my hand in with the
paper still there and then bring my other hand with the
stylus in it right to the spot where I feel I last wrote.
Those are the two things I have always taught my
students.
Ellen Carpenter
Ellen Carpenter here, Ive got an slate, its a metal
one, unfortunately when I did the pole a while back
earlier, I said yes if I had a slate and stylus with me,
Ive got the slate, but somewhere along the line, I lost
my stylus, so I need to get a hold of another one, but
this is an oldie, but a goodie, as far as they say, I got it
from a teacher at the State School for the Deaf and
Blind here in Montana, and she started teaching me
braille, a few other kids as well with the slate and
stylus.
The middle part, you flip over, you hold the page still
and then this bottom part, where that has the full cells,
you can feel them on the outside, but thats where the
printing of the braille goes and you can check your
four lines, its a four-line slate and check your work to
see how youre doing.
Sue Melrose
For most of us the easiest way is if you just leave the
paper in the slate, open the top part, so its still on the
pins, you can feel with your fingers and you can feel
how many lines have been written on, and then what
you do is you find the bottom line and you take your
fingers and track it across until you feel the last
character, and I just hold my finger there and then
gently close the slate so Im not pinching my finger,
and with my other hand on the other side of the top of
the slate I can pretty much get right to the cell, and
match up my two fingers.
Also when you get used to it, you can some slates
arent as good as others, but many slates and
styluses you can just leave your stylus in the cell,
open the slate just a little bit, put your stylus in that
cell and slant it so that its resting against the slate,
and then when you come back to it, if you gently
reach for the stylus, it will stay right in that cell. So if
you try to do that, put your stylus in the cell, slant it
and then it will open the slate just slightly and it kind
of tucks in there and stays. So again, we find our
places by feeling the position of the braille while its
Ellen Carpenter
Ellen Carpenter, the summer before I got this slate
that Ive had for so long, I tried working with my
mothers slate and stylus and hers was the kind that
the slate was held diagonally on a board so that it
would get flopped around or anything, but you came
to use it, you put it up at the top of the board, put your
paper in, and then you had this little flange up at the
top that you put over and that had the pins up on it,
and her slate, the slate part itself was for, and then
when you got to the four lines, when you got to the
fourth line and finished it, you moved your slate down
the board, and the board had little, whats the word,
little areas on each side, so many inches apart where
the slate would drop down in again, and then youd go
proceed again.
When I tried writing with her slate that she had and oh
boy, that was something else. She taught herself
braille from someplace, I forget where she said she
got it, American Printing House, I think, because she
wanted to write me braille letters so that I could read
my letters in private when I was a kid at the State
school here.
Linda Carpenter
Im so glad you brought that up Ellen, this is Linda
again. Back in my day they called those desk slates,
it was basically a clipboard, with a clip on the top that
had pins, so it would the paper in place, and the slate
that went with those usually had feet on the bottom so
that the slate could slip right into these holes down
the board.
Caller
Hello, Im [Anatoli]. I have a four year old daughter
and she has no vision. What I want I try to teach
her braille she tries to see the letters instead of
touching it. So what I do for her?
Linda Carpenter
This is Linda again, Im just wondering if she would
stand some dark glasses, or maybe some kind of
shade, so she wouldnt be able to see the dots or if
you could have her look over at something that she
likes to look at while shes doing the braille those
would be my two suggestions.
Kelly Superja
Kelly Superja again, while you were talking about
different slates, it reminded me of another one I have
there; I think its around here somewhere. Its I
believe a four-line metallic slate, its fairly long, I dont
really know how many cells it has on there, but I
noticed the one thing I was looking at it a while ago,
when I opened it up it didnt have any pins on the
inside, and when I first saw that, I was thinking well
this obviously might be useless. I was just wondering
if you heard of any slates like that you that dont have
any pins on the inside, and if so, how would you use
that if you indeed can?
Sue Melrose
I wonder if that is the slate theyve been talking about
if it has two pegs on the bottom of it it was designed
to go with the board, and the board had holes where
those pegs went in to hold it in place so you dont
need pins. The other reason that might be is there
are slates that transcribers use that are 40 cells long
Doug Anzlovar
This is Doug again, a question that is in the text chat.
How do you teach a left-handed person to write and
track, do you have any tips either one of you for this
question.
Sue Melrose
I would follow the exact same instructions. I tried to
give instructions today that didnt say right or left, you
hold the stylus exactly the same way whether its in
your right hand or your left hand, you would still want
the point in the cell, and you would have either right or
left hand index finger tracking the point of the stylus.
So really there isnt much difference in how you do it
or how you hold it or how you use it, whether its right
or left-handed.
Alice Mazza
Hello, this is Alice Mazza and when I was teaching
braille I certainly was agreeing with your philosophy
about not using the word backwards and all that you
said about the first side, but I also used a little slogan,
what you touch first when youre reading is what you
punch first when youre slating, and that seemed to
help some people. And then for the person whos
concerned about the slate punching a hole in a
pocket, one time someone gave me a lipstick case,
and its what a tube of lipstick would go into and it has
a little snap on it, and many of you may know what Im
speaking, and I was amazed to find that a typical
stylus fits perfectly into that lipstick case, and so Ive
always used those and I actually came to slating
rather late in life, even though I became legally blind
at 16, I did not start slating until around 30 or early
30s.
Sharee
Hi this is Sharee from North Carolina. Also there are
some slates that we call interpoint slates that do have
reversibility, you can turn your paper over and actually
do the same interpoints to write on either side of the
paper. I havent done too much with that, Ive been a
DI teacher since 1983.
Sue Melrose
Yes, I do have one of those and it works pretty well,
but its not accurate enough that I wouldnt use it for
numbers or something real important, because
occasionally it writes over a dot from the other side
and pushes it down, but they do have them. The
Caller
Ive got this one slate that its one of those ones
where you have to write with a hollow stylus. Ive got
one that uses regular dots, and actually another one
that uses the jumbo dot, that has a jumbo dot and the
styluses are reversible for one side is to write the
jumbo dot, and the other side is for the regular dot. I
find it very hard if I want to change the paper, I dont
think its got little pins on it, where I could keep it in
place and when I want to change it, it wont let me
change the paper too well. It will just make it like oh
how would you say it, kind of messed up. Kind of off
line and not even. It would probably either make the
lines get too close together or get them too far apart.
Is there any way I could overcome that?
Sue Melrose
No that really is the purpose of the pins is to keep the
paper going smoothly and evenly down the page as
you write. Im glad you did bring up one thing though,
because we havent mentioned, there are slates for
Doug Anzlovar
Thank you, Sue, this is Doug again, another question
in our chat window. We have a writer in the group
and they want to know if its possible to write stories
with the slate and stylus I think theyre asking if
prolonged writing is possible or lengthy writing
sessions. What are your suggestions for this
question?
Sue Melrose
Oh absolutely. Once you get beyond, you know once
your muscles are trained and youre used to doing it,
and you get beyond the beginner stage, so that youre
feeling comfortable with it, youre relaxed, youre not
straining your hand while youre trying to think how to
do it. I mean I can tell you, I use the slate, and when I
was in college, I mean I used it for all my classes. I
Kelly Superja
Hi its Kelly Superja again, if this question has been
announced already, I apologize, but what do you do
as far as improving your speed, do you just practice
more or what, because usually when I write down
something like a phone number, I find it does take me
a while to get the holes punched through like for the
cells that I want.
Linda
I wanted to say something this is Linda again
about what Sue said. I definitely agree and I think
that as far as our other question here, the more that
you practice moving around in the cell without any
extra movements you know some people think they
have to take the stylus all the way out of the cell to
move to another dot in that same cell, but the more
that you learn how to move around comfortably, the
faster that youll get especially if youre using lighter
weight paper.
Susan Fisher
This is Susan Fisher and I teach the braille letters
two, three and four courses and I have more than a
handful of students who actually prefer the slate and
stylus over the braillewriter, and sometimes they
discontinue use with the braillewriter and just use the
slate and stylus exclusively, they say that they feel
they have much more control over what theyre
writing.
Miriam Dixon
This is Miriam Dixon. Ive also know that some banks
offer a combination of a braille slate and signature
guide for checks. Can you comment on where banks
offer this slates.
Sharee
This is Sharee, I have used a check slate from well
what used to be Wachovia, they dont offer that
anymore unfortunately, because Ive used it for years,
since they came out in early 70s. I dont know if any
other banks use those or not though.
Nafisa Keels
On the web page that I mentioned where Judy Dixon
has her slate and stylus collection, there is a photo
and also a link to where a bank used to sell the check
writing slate and the signature guide, but Im not sure
that they are still available.
Sue Melrose
Yes, I think speed building, the only way to do it is
what everybody is saying, you do it just by what we
did too is we practiced letters, you know you write four
lines of bs and pretty soon that b becomes just
really stuck in your head and your hand and its
automatic and four lines of cs and four lines of gs
and so that you find to have a certain pattern thats
difficult for you, like the t or p, practice it over and
over and over, until it really is muscle memory.
Doug Anzlovar
Thank you Sue, this is Doug again your moderator.
There was one more question in the text chat, we are
drawing to the close of the seminar, and I wondered if
you or Nafisa could offer any advice as to where one
might purchase jumbo slates. The individual in the
chat room has experienced several bad batches of
jumbo slates, and theyre looking for resources if
anyone has resources for this person.
Sue Melrose
Well again the six places that I mentioned, most of
them have jumbo slates, but I dont know which ones
youve had in the past, but you know you have to
maybe just try a different one different sources, APH
and Perkins are the two places I would start with,
because they kind of have the main supplier, and see
how it goes.
Linda Perry:
This is Linda Perry again, you might even want to use
the terminology large cell slates now as Sue was
saying earlier, theyre not really so jumbo anymore,
because the dots arent bigger, but the cells are
bigger. So maybe if you try looking for large cell
slates you might find some other manufacturers.
Nafisa Keels
I have a jumbo slate, its called the jumbo easy read
from Halpress or Perkins, and its held up very well. It
is metal, and Ive had no problems with this one, just
in case you want to contact that particular resource.
Doug Anzlovar
Thank you Nafisa, this is Doug again. I want to draw
to the conclusion our seminar. I have a few brief
Nafisa Keels
Thank you very much; Ive enjoyed sharing my
experience with the slate and stylus. I hope it has
motivated some of you to take our braille courses and
to keep using your slate and improving and practicing
a little every day. We have the Hadley contact
Sue Melrose
And I too want to thank everybody, its been great, its
been great fun, I did want to add one more thing that
a candle is a very handy thing to have around your
stylus if you can rub the stylus on the wax it might
help your getting the stylus out of the paper more
easily, although I would change the paper, but also it
helps using your eraser with a little bit of wax on it, it
helps the dot to stay down, we havent mentioned that
technique.
Doug Anzlovar
Thank you Sue and Nafisa. If you are taking this
seminar for credit, today the quiz will be open
approximately 15 minutes after the seminar has aired.
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