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Meg Strauss
May 5th, 2016
Inquiry Project
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Introduction
In order to compare different views in regards to school and education, I interviewed two
vastly dissimilar people. I first observed and interviewed Nicole Orswell, a 50-year-old
Caucasian woman who teaches as Wellington Middle School. Orswell is a United States-born
college graduate who has essentially spent her entire life within the schooling system. Right after
high school graduation, Orswell went to college to pursue her education degree. As soon as she
finished college, she went straight into teaching. Carlos Martinez Sr., the second person in which
I interviewed, spent only a fraction of his life within the United States educational system.
Martinez is a bilingual 46-year-old manager at Seaboard Farms, a pig farm located in rural
Holyoke, Colorado. When Martinez was six-years-old, he and his family immigrated from
Juarez, Mexico to Holyoke. Martinez started first grade at Holyoke Elementary School and
dropped out of Holyoke High School the middle of his tenth grade year. Martinez has stayed in
Holyoke ever since and has worked his way up into a management position at Seaboard Farms,
Over the course of my interviews, I came to the quick conclusion that ones opinion on
the success and purpose of the United States schooling system is completely dependent on a
persons personal experience within schools, their ethnic diversity, and the amount of time they
have spent in educational institutions. For instance, Orswell has a much more optimistic outlook
on schooling than Martinez; for Orswell has always felt that through proper schooling, the world
can be changed one student at a time. Martinez, on the other hand, feels as though the schooling
system is a positive institution for only those who are white, English-speaking individuals. For
the students that do not fit this image, Martinez feels these students are somewhat better off not
When I asked both of my interviewees what they feel is the purpose of schooling, they
both first gave me the answer as to what they think society feels the purpose of school should be.
Orswell thinks that society feels as though the main purpose of schooling is to give knowledge to
students in order to create contributing members of society. Martinez seems to agree with
Orswell, stating, Society wants schools to basically raise their kids. To me, schools seem more
focused on the social part of it and are less focused on what or how the kids are learning.
However, when both interviewees answered what they feel the purpose of schooling should be,
Orswell, clearly illustrating her self-proclaimed optimistic character, stated, I think the
purpose of schools should be to just make good people, to help them be the best that they could
be. I dont think it really matters if they end up contributing to society in some big way, just as
long as they are taught the importance of making the world a better place. Orswell, being a
middle school teacher, feels it is her role as an educator to create a safe space in her classroom in
which students feel loved and respected. She feels it is her own purpose as a teacher to make her
students know that she views them as real human beings who are capable of providing an
Martinez, who often mentions how he feels he did not learn a lot in school, feels that the
purpose of schooling and the role of the teacher is to teach students all about the world.
Martinez is fully supportive of mandating students to take a wide variety of classes. Martinez
states, If students go to college, I think it is really important that they really know what they
want to do with their entire life. Like if a kid has only taken history classes his whole life, they
would never get the chance to realize that they really like math. In other words, Martinez feels
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that the purpose of education should be, in fact, to strictly educate students about the world
around them.
As I was referring back to these two answers, I was struck by the correlation of the
answers to the two articles titled Education and the Human Heart by the Dalai Lama and
Education for Wisdom by John Miller. Orswell seems to side with the Dalai Lamas view on
the purpose of education, while Martinez seems to side with Miller. For instance, the Dalai Lama
states that, Western educational system, although it is very impressive to see the high standards
of facilities, the many material resources, and the perfection of so many different aspects of
educational development, the thing that seems to be lacking is the dimension of enhancing and
developing the heart (Lama, 1999). This quote parallels directly with Orswells belief on the
purpose of schooling, as she feels the schooling system should focus less on educating students
in the hopes of creating proper citizens, but should instead focus on bettering the hearts of
children.
On the other hand, both Martinez and Miller feel as though wisdom is the key to a
successful educational system. In his article, Miller states, It is time that schools and
universities focus on the development of wisdom if humanity is to survive (Miller, 2005). Miller
continues to define wisdom as consisting of insight, humility, and love towards all the aspects of
the world (2005). This is similar to Martinezs view that the schooling system should focus on
providing students with the knowledge of the world, as well as their own place within the world,
Overall, what I have learned from this question is that there is an extremely large range as
to what one can believe is the purpose of schooling. One, like Orswell and the Dalai Lama, can
have the view that schools should focus on the heart of the student. Others, like Martinez and
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Miller, can have the view that schools should focus on the brain of the student. From what I can
understand thus far, this belief comes directly from ones own experience within education.
Experience in Schooling
Orswell, although she did not go into great detail on her experience in schooling, seems
to have had a positive experience in regards to education. She often mentions the importance of a
student knowing that at least one teacher whole-heartedly cares about them. Orswell claims that
that one teacher for her truly paved the way to a great educational experience, and ultimately,
that one teacher inspired her to become a teacher herself. Humans tend to remember either the
really good or the really bad, Orswell said. I have seen so many of my students come into my
classroom being told by another teacher that they are stupid, or that they will never amount to
anything. And it takes a lot to change that view of themselves, but I try. I was lucky in the sense
that I when I was in school, I was never told anything like that. That one teacher can really make
It seems as though Orswells insight on the good or bad is made evident in Martinezs
view on schooling. Martinez went into first grade knowing little English. He feels that because of
this, teachers automatically labeled him as being stupid. Martinez was eventually held back one
year in first grade. Martinez states, I get that my English wasnt good back then. But my
problem with that whole situation is that there were like six or seven other Mexicans who got
held back with me, and these kids were all born in America. These kids spoke just like all of the
white kids, and there were no white kids that got held back. That was the first instance of racism
that I can remember seeing in school. Its always stuck with me.
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Martinez states that he remembers a countless number of times of which a teacher made
him feel stupid. When I couldnt really speak the language, I could see how it would be hard for
a teacher to recognize intelligence. But I picked up the language pretty well in that first year, and
teachers still thought I was dumb. They would put me in all the lowest level classes, and I
remember thinking the work was so easy, but I never got moved up. So I got bored, and then I
started misbehaving. I think if I was white I would have been moved up to harder classes, and
maybe I would have actually graduated. But I always felt like the teachers didnt believe in me,
Martinezs experience parallels directly Sonia Nieto and Parry Bodes observations in
their textbook Affirming Diversity. The text reads, It is clear that racism and other forms of
African American, Latino, American Indian, and poor children continue to achieve below grade
level, drop out in much greater numbers, and go to college in much lower proportions than their
middle-class and European American peers (Nieto and Bode, 2012). The text also goes on to
describe certain cases in which ethnically diverse students said that teachers called them
stupid, slow, ignorant, fat, dumb, and punk (Nieto and Bode, 2012).
From my two interviews and the Nieto and Bode text, I have come to the conclusion that
Orswell and Martinezs schooling experiences differentiates immensely to each other. For
Orswell, she never felt as though her teachers did not believe in her. She never felt that her
teachers thought she was stupid. Due to this, Orswell graduated high school, went to college, and
continued her life within the educational system. For Martinez, on the other hand, he feels as
though his teachers undermined his intelligence strictly because of his ethnicity. I am curious as
to how much Orswell and Martinezs experience in school would differ if they were both of
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difference races. Through my learning, I have unfortunately learned that ones ethnicity plays a
vital role in ones experience in school. It seems as though that if one is Caucasian, they are
automatically deemed as being smart and are more likely to have that one teacher that truly
cares, just like Orswell did. However, I have noticed that if one is of color, they are more likely
to be labeled as stupid, which affects their entire perception of the educational system, as well as
of themselves in general.
Before taking this class, I would have naively assumed that schools, for the most part,
were meeting the needs of diverse learners, especially racially diverse students. I remembered
how in my high school, many of the English-learning students were in special classes devoted to
help them improve their language. However, through this class, the readings, and my interviews,
I have quickly come to understand that schools are not meeting the needs of all diverse learning,
my high school included. Both of my interviewees, unfortunately, agree with this statement.
When I asked Orswell if she feels that schools are meeting the needs of diverse learners,
she simply replied, We do what we can. She then described how teachers are always in
training, and that most of their training now is devoted to teaching diverse learners. She went on
to state, Its really hard trying to accommodate to all learners. I want desperately for each of my
students to walk out of my classroom with a great deal of knowledge. But I know that some kids
wont fully get that opportunity, and that is just because they arent proficient in English. It
breaks my heart, but there is only so much one teacher can do. When asked if she feels there is
any cure to provide equal knowledge to English Language Learners, she quickly answered, Co-
teachers. When I have a class of about 25, it is nearly impossible for me to spend a lot of time
with just one student who is struggling with English. I think having multiple teachers in a
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classroom would greatly help in teaching. While Orswell, being very dedicated to her school
district, did not flat out say we are not fulfilling the needs of diverse learners, I got a sense that
she was a little ashamed in that lack of equal education opportunities provided to ELL learners.
Orswell is the quintessential example of a teacher that cares. By having class sizes that are too
big for all students to be properly educated, teachers, as well as diverse learners, seem to be
suffering.
Martinez, unlike Orswell, blatantly states that racism is present in schools. He describes
how he often felt as though he was overlooked by teachers in school due to his race. Martinez
states, I had some really nice teachers in school, but even those teachers really only focused on
the white kids. I remember so many times just sitting in class with my hand up waiting for a
teacher to help me, and it was rare when they actually came to help me. I dont really know what
schools are like now. I dont have kids or anything. But from what I can tell you from when I
was in school, schools did not meet the needs of their diverse students. I went on to ask
Martinez if he felt that his Latino culture was embraced in his school. He laughed and stated,
No. I felt like I couldnt be Mexican at school. For a while, I honestly just thought that all
Mexicans were stupid. Like it was a gene or something. We never learned about successful
In my personal opinion, these two interviews highlight the idea that institutional racism is
very evident within schools. Institutional racism, as stated in the article Coloring
Epistemologies: Are Our Research Epistemologies Racially Based? by James Joseph Scheurich
and Michelle D. Young, can be seen when an institutions procedures or cultures favor Whites
culturally congruent with the culture of White students but not with the culture of students of
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color (Scheurich and Young, 1997). From Orswells perspective of a teacher, she admits that she
is not capable of spending a proper amount of time with diverse learners, especially learners that
do not speak English. This alone illustrates a promotion of the White population considering that
the Caucasian English-speaking students in her class are able to receive knowledge while ESL
learners, specifically those who are of color, are not able to gain an equal education. Martinezs
opinion on the lack of diversity in teaching depicts the idea that most schools, including
Martinezs school, favors the culture of White students but disregards colored students culture. I
have learned through this class that most schools are not outwardly racist, for most schools claim
to be completely equal. However, by analyzing smaller, more personal aspects of education, such
as the treatment of ESS learners in the classroom and the lack of diversity in lesson plans, it
becomes clear that racism still exists within schools and that schools still deeply struggle with
Observations
As previously stated, Orswell is the definition of a loving, caring teacher who purely
wants the best for her students. Professor Grace Huerta defines a caring teacher as one that
possesses enthusiasm about their content area. Huerta states, When teachers model high levels
of energy and passion for what they are teaching, this zeal demonstrates to students that the
instructor is excited about the subject and finds it meaningful (Huerta, 2009). As I first walked
into Orswells classroom, the atmosphere in the room was full of energy and excitement. Kids
were laughing, talking, and engaged in the activities. Overall, I feel Orswell did a fantastic job of
For instance, in regards to relationship building, various students would come into
Orswells classroom just to talk to her and give her a hug between class periods. She asked every
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student who talked to her how their day was going. By doing this, relationships were made
stronger. Orswell treated her students as though they were real peoplea quality I feel is rare in
middle school teaching. For instance, the day before my observation, Orswell had just received
Wellingtons Middle Schools Best Teacher Award. Orswell displayed this award at the front of
her classroom and in the first two classes, students asked her what the award was for. Orswell
took the time out of her lesson plan to explain to her students what the award was, and that she
does not teach for the awards; instead, she teaches directly for them. The kids seemed to be
extremely touched by this statement, which furthered the student and teacher relationship.
observed was through Orswell and a student who was being distracting. After giving him two
warnings to do his work, Orswell finally had him move his desk away from his classmates.
Orswell then went up to the student, looked directly in his eyes, and stated, I know you are
smart. I know you can do this. The student then expressed to Orswell what he was not
understanding on the assignment, and Orswell explained the sheet thoroughly to him. The
student was actually the first one in the class to get the assignment done. By talking to this
student individually, she let him know he was important, and this ultimately enabled him to get
While Orswells class was extremely lively, she still displayed excellent class
management skills. For instance, if the class was being too noisy, she would clap a rhythm and
the class would then clap that exact same rhythm. This told the class they were being too loud
and that they needed to be quieter, which proved to me to be a successful way of calming down
the class. Orswell would also often talk to students individually and see how far they were
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coming on their assignments. By the end of each class, Orswell knew exactly who was done with
For instruction, Orswell did a fantastic job of incorporating student involvement into her
teaching. There were various instances where Orswell would call on students randomly and have
them answer questions. The only downside of Orswells teaching was that I noticed she called on
boys noticeably more than she called on girls. In the graphs below, one can see the amount of
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Despite this, Orswell seemed to make learning truly fun for all, regardless of gender. For
instance, Orswells sixth grade classes were learning about poetry, and she wanted to make her
students realize that the music they listen to is an example of poetry. In order to portray this,
Orswell grabbed a poetry book and started singing poems in different genres: rap, country, opera,
and heavy metal. Students were laughing hysterically and became excited to learn about poetry.
In all of the activities I observed, Orswell never strictly lectured. Rather, she would lecture,
explain the assignment, have the students start the assignment, and would walk around the
classroom and help when needed. The assignments Orswell had to students complete were also
engaging. For instance, in the seventh grade English class I observed, Orswell had students get
into groups and take turns reading. The students not reading drew pictures of the scenes
happening within the chapters, listed the settings and characters involved, and made inferences
as to how the characters were feeling in the scenes drawn. By incorporating activities like these,
In the graph below, one can see the time spent on management, instruction, and
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Even though the graph illustrates a majority of class time spent on instruction, I still feel
that Orswell did a great job in balancing out the three categories. Through all the instruction,
Conclusion
Overall, Orswell and Martinezs hope for the future of the education system was
essentially the same. Both interviewees want the schooling to be more student focused. Orswell
wants to see this change happen on a more macro level. Orswell stated, With all the testing,
students become products. It would be nice if the government acknowledged that these kids are
people too. Martinez, on the other hand, feel that student-focused teaching should start with the
teacher. He stated, Teachers come into teaching with their own political agendas, like racism. I
think that all students should matter to teachers. Not just the favorites.
However, while Orswell and Martinezs hope for the future of schools is essentially the
same, their views on the purpose and success of the United States schooling system varies
largely. What I have ultimately come to realize through this class, assignment, and readings is
that ones view on the schooling system is dependent on ones personal experience within
schools, their ethnic diversity, and the amount of time they have spent in educational institutions.
This is seen directly through Orswells positive view on the schooling system, and Martinezs
of the class.
10:15 4 Mrs. Orswell explained an activity the class was going to do I
individually. The activity consisted of students using poetry
books to find examples of the poetry terms they recently
learned. Mrs. Orswell explained that the students will have to
write the example they found on a worksheet that she will
provide. Mrs. Orswell then passed out the worksheet to the
students.
10:19 2 Mrs. Orswell passed out the worksheet to the students. M
10:21 12 As students did the worksheet, Mrs. Orswell went around and I
helped each student. At one point in the time, a number of
students were simply not understanding some of the poetry
terms. Mrs. Orswell took this group of around five to the back
of the room and explained thoroughly what each term meant
and helped them find examples within their books.
10:33 7 A kid was being very distracting towards his classmates, and R
Mrs. Orswell pulled him aside and told him that she knew he
was smart and that she knew he could do this activity. Upon
talking to him, the student started telling her what he was not
understanding. Mrs. Orswell explained each term to him
thoroughly and told him to come see her after school if he was
still not understanding the assignment.
10:40 2 Mrs. Orswell told the students they must place all of the M
poetry books they got out back on the shelf. She told them
they will not be excused until they do so.
10:42 The bell rang and Mrs. Orswell dismissed the students.
References
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Houghton Mifflin.
Lama, D. (1999). The Heart of Learning: Spirituality in Education. New York: J.P.
Tarcher/Putnam.
Miller, J. P. (2005). Educating For Wisdom. Toronto, ON: The Ontario Institute for Studies in
Nieto, S., & Bode, P. (2012). Affirming Diversity: The Sociopolitical Context of Multicultural
Scheurich, J. J., & Young, M. D. (1997). Coloring Epistemologies: Are Our Research