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Scared of Putin's Shadow

In Sanctioning Dugin, Washington Got the Wrong Man
By Marlene Laruelle MARCH 25, 2015
U.S. President Barack Obama walks to Marine One before departing for Sweden and the G20 Summit in Russia, September 3, 2013. (Joshua Roberts / Reuters)
O
n March 11, 2015, the U.S. Treasury Department placed a new round of sanctions on 14
gures that Washington considers responsible for the conict in Ukraine. Until now,
sanctions had targeted either high-level Russian politicians or those who were part of
President Vladimir Putins inner circlehis friends and their bankers. The latest list, however,
includes mostly secessionist leaders from Donbas, a region in Eastern Ukraine that roughly covers
the Donetsk and Luhansk provinces. But it also names individuals that do not belong to the
Russian ruling circles, and are connected to the Ukraine conict only by ideology.
Take for example, Alexander Dugin , an outspoken Russian thinker who is often noted in Western
media for his fascist views and his belief that Ukraine is not a sovereign state but a region that
belongs, and therefore is fated to return, to Russia. Dugin has no ocial status within the Russian
government. He is not even a member of the Public Chambera consultative institution created
by Putin to foster a regime-friendly civil societyalthough one of Dugins close associates, Valery
Korovin, was elected by an informal public vote as a member in Spring 2014. Nor is Dugin a part
of Putins inner circle. The two men might not have ever even met. (Dugin is known to take every
opportunity to publicize his personal connections with the Russian political elite, but has never
bragged about having met the Russian president.) His supposed links to the State Duma Chairman
Sergey Naryshkin are likewise unsubstantiated. Dugin has no known nancial interests that could
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have been secured by an alleged inclusion in Putins inner circle, unlike many of the other ocials
on the sanction list. So why is Washington targeting him?
FAILURE TO LAUNCH
The story behind Dugins rise to so-called prominence begins in the early 1990s, when he was
working closely with the communist and nationalist groups opposed to former Russian President
Boris Yeltsin. Dugin tried to become a shadow advisor to the Russian authorities and achieved
some success in the second half of the 1990s by working for political gures close to the
Communist Party and to the Liberal Democratic Party of colonel and politician Vladimir
Zhirinovsky. However, both of these parties lost their inuence when Putin came to power in
2000. Given that Dugins allies at home were now few and far between, he sought for nearly a
decade to craft new ties with anti-U.S. groups abroad in Iran, Kazakhstan, Turkey, and Western
Europe through his International Eurasia Movement, which he founded in 2003. The movement
seeks to create an international coalition of countries, namely a Eurasian alliance, to counter so-
called U.S. unipolarity.
In 2008, Dugin was appointed adjunct professor at the prestigious Moscow State University
presumably thanks to his links to Vladimir Dobrenkov, then dean of the sociology department,
who had been regularly accused of corruption and plagiarism. There, Dugin sought to attach
himself to Putins pet project, the Eurasian Union, by boldly proclaiming that he could become its
de-facto theoretician and inject the project with the ideology that it lacked. He also sought to take
advantage of the Kremlins conservative turn and its new friendly relations with Western far-right
politicians. But in these endeavors, Dugin was overshadowed by more prominent gures, such as
the Eurasian Union spokesman Sergey Glazyev, historian and politician Natalia Narochnitskaya,
and Dmitry Rogozin, the deputy prime minister and former Russian ambassador to NATO.
More recently, Dugin has beneted from the renewed inuence of Alexander Prokhanov who is
famous for representing the military, especially the General Sta of the Soviet Army. Prokhanov is
also the editor of the conservative newspaper Zavtra and the founder of the nationalist think tank,
Izborsky Club. Since the start of the Ukrainian conict, the Izborsky Club has resurrected the
eighteenth century idea of Novorossiya , or New Russia, and warmly supports the self-proclaimed
government of Donetsk in eastern Ukraine. The club has even oered to write Donetsks
constitution. However, in the summer of 2014 when the Kremlin took over, the apparently overly
revolutionary Donetsk elites were dismissed and replaced with more faithful gures, and the
Izborsky Club lost its media visibility . Dugin was red from the Moscow State University last
year for his calls to violently subdue the Ukrainians. And since the fall of 2014, Dugin has tried,
but failed, to regain his inuence.
WORDS OVER DEEDS?
So why would the United States suddenly decide to include Dugin on its sanctions list, almost one
year after his violent statements against the Ukrainians, and furthermore, as the only ideologically
motivated gure? Is Washington punishing people for their words, not deeds? Dugin of course
draws attention to himself with his fascist theories and allusions to Nazi ideology. He also
fervently believes in reconstructing the Russian empire through the use of force. But the point of
sanctions is to penalize those who are actually engaged in violent actsfor instance, those involved
in breaking the Minsk peace agreements and the ceasere. It is not Washingtons job to silence
specic ideologies or political views, however extreme or egregious, and sanctions traditionally do
not target ideologists.
Another possible reason is that Dugins youth movement, the Eurasian Union of Youth , has been
sending dozens (the real numbers are unknown) of young volunteers to ght in Donbas. However,
there are many other movements not on Washingtons sanctions list that have also sent their young
supporters to the Donbas front, and in larger numbers. Their omission may signal a certain media
bias by Washington. Because Western news outlets reported more heavily on Dugins projects than
on other movements sending recruits to eastern Ukraine, such as, it seems, the Imperial Legion ,
they remain unknown in the West.
Similarly, Dugin has beneted from an odd scenario of being more famous abroad than at home.
Since the mid-1990s, he has drawn the curiosity of Western scholars because of his prolic work as
a nationalist ideologist in Russia. The media caught on as well since the extreme nature of his
theories made for appealing stories and headlines. However, this xation on Dugin has gone too
far. He is now being presented by the U.S. media as Putins godfather or brain . But that isnt
how Putins regime functions: Nationalist slogans are produced a posteriori with the indirect or
direct support of the presidential administration, and the decision-making process is motivated by
strategic interests, not by ideology. Dugin certainly triedbut failedto use the Ukrainian crisis
to gain prominence and inuence the Kremlin. But he is not the one who made the decision to
start the conict in Crimea or the Donbas. In a way, the sanctions list might please Dugin. He now
has greater notoriety in the White House than in the Kremlin.
FAULTY LOGIC
The logic behind Washingtons latest sanction list is unclear. Although the rst round of sanctions
in March 2014 targeted government ocials responsible for Crimeas annexation and the civil war
in Donbas, the following rounds were directed against Putins close associates, those suspected of
enjoying a high level of state protection for covering up their nancial operations. The logic of the
sanctions thus moved from condemning the perpetrators of violence to denouncing the entire
Putin regime, perhaps in reaction to the failure of the rst round of sanctions to end the violence
in Ukraine.
Some sanctioned ocials, such as Andrei Fursenko , who was Russias science and education
minister from 2004 to 2012, had no direct involvement in the Ukrainian crisis. He seems to have
been guilty only by association since he was an old friend and former aid of Putins. If Washington
seeks to target those who have called for and instigated violence in Ukraine, then it should have
included gures like Chechnyan dictator Ramzan Kadyrov. He is currently under European, but
not U.S. sanctions. This lack of consistency is problematic because it undermines Washingtons
reasoning, and therefore credibility, for the sanctions, which is to correctly identify those who are
responsible for perpetuating violence.
If the United States plans to target ideologists like Dugin who support the Donbas insurgency, it
will have to grow the list by several dozens of names. It could include, for example, the Izborsky
Clubs director Alexander Prokhanov and many of its members, as well as Natalia Narochnitskaya,
director of the Paris-based Russian Institute of Democracy and Cooperation, who is a fervent
supporter of Russias interventionism in the Balkans and in Russias so-called near abroad. If
Washington wants to punish the dierent ultranationalist movements that have sent ghters to
Donbas, it will have to include the leaders of other movements, such as the Imperial Legion and
the National Bolshevik Party of Eduard Limonov (a longstanding opponent to Putin but who now
celebrates Crimeas return to mother Russia). This rationale would still be problematic because
research shows that volunteers often go to Ukraine by their own initiative and through personal
connections, not because of systematic recruitment eorts by organized networks.
By putting Dugin, a lunatic fringe writer, on the sanctions list, the United States is essentially
conveying that it considers the Russian decision-making process susceptible to irrational
extremism, and that it truly believes that nationalistic ideology is the dominant motivation for
Russias position on Ukraine. If that is correct, then the United States dangerously misunderstands
Putins strategy: He may use nationalistic rhetoric to justify his decision-making post hoc, but he is
not motivated by nationalism in and of itself. Moscows involvement in Ukraine is primarily
strategic. It believesrightfully or notthat Russias sovereignty is under threat and that it cannot
be guaranteed without a pro-Russian regime in Kiev.
ON THIS TOPIC
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Charles Frith 5 days ago

Don't you warmongers have anything better to do?
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> Charles Frith 4 days ago

The US has over 730 military bases around the world. But the aggressor Obama
calls Russia! How Come? Because nothing else can. Just call names:-)
730 .
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:-)
:-)
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David Rice > 8 hours ago

As this Ukraine issue began to get traction in the media, I
pulled out my year 1900 Rand McNally atlas of the world and discovered
that there was no Ukraine; it was all Russia, to include Kiev. Now I know
that people will say that you cant go back to past territorial claimsbut
there was also a railroad that went from Moscow to Crimea and
Sevastopol where Russia keeps some of its
fleet. The territory is inhabited by ethnic Russians. The Bolsheviks
murdered the Czar and his family, stole the land and ran it into the
ground in their idealism, somewhere along the way they created the
Ukraine, but who cared then, they were all Soviets and one big happy
family; the Bolsheviks are gone now. The US is claiming Russian
aggression upon the sovereign country of Ukraine, and placing
sanctions upon them. The Ukraine failed as an independent nation, and
someone has to step in and lend support to the ethnic Russians, why not
Russians, it was their land before murderer-revolutionists
stole it. When the US finally put sanctions upon Japan in the summer of
1941, they had been murdering and raping hundreds of thousands, if not
millions of Chinese people; the things happening in Eastern Ukraine and
see more
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Mikey380 > Charles Frith 5 days ago

The warmongers did their best to annex Crimea!! There is another map which
says better of how Russians see the rest of world. LOL
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> Mikey380 4 days ago

You yourself have drawn a map?
?
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Mikey380 > 4 days ago

Pardon? You seem to be not so clever as you pretend to be. It
could explain why you prefer to duplicate your comments both in
English and Russian. LOL
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As I'm writing is not your business. I'm not trying to sound smart
- just who are you to judge people that? Take away this card - it is
in English language ....
. -
?
- ....
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CCCP > Mikey380 3 days ago

Be sure to show this map at the UN, as conclusive evidence of Russia's
aggressive plans.

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Mikey380 > CCCP 3 days ago

You better ask to cancel sanctions against Russia, MORON!! ...
BWAHAHAHA

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Daniel Amona > Mikey380 14 hours ago

Backed by gold...who's laughing now, touche'

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Daniel Amona > Daniel Amona 13 hours ago

Neo cons in action in the wild west.

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Poor boy, taken to school by the grand chess master.

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Peacekeeping humanitarian mission as opium trade soars in the
empire destroyer district.

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Q.E. to Infinity = Quadrillion debt = Soviet Union style collapse

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The lost generation?

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Love is the greatest phenomenon known to humanity.

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This is the love revolution...

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Expose the criminals as you render their fraudulent banking
impotent.

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The ultimate price was paid in full on the cross and only through
recognition of the King of the Jews can there be true
reconciliation with our Creator - The Father of our Lord Jesus
Christ.

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CCCP > Mikey380 5 hours ago

Mikey, You haven't bothered to vote for your own posts? Of
course! If he praises then all day you'll feel a raped loser :o)
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Daniel Amona > Mikey380 13 hours ago

China in the house...When men where men where were you?

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Sergey > Mikey380 4 days ago

LOL :)
It should be translated into Russian and hang at home)
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Sah 4 days ago

Another warmongering article. Do you guys ever look into the mirror? Hundreds of
thousands of people dead, countries falling apart, whole regions of the world on fire
because of US arrogant and ignorant interventions. And they are talking about a
marginal cabbage like Dugin or Prokhanov. Yankees, go back to A L A B A M A!
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Dima Lauri 4 days ago

Living in Russia and reading Western Media a can state that US/EU "journalism" is
totally out of modern Russian reality. The level of judgments is childish and digged out
of ancient cliches like KGB, vodka and pshyco desire to launch nuclear missiles. What
is it? Unprofessionalism or reluctance?
EU/US citizenry still believe they have independent media. In fact western media
serve international close-to-USA corporations. Industrial-militarist-media
conglomerates are targeted to show Russia as an enemy and to suck out money
from tax payers. We see claims to give more money into NATO pocket so often.
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Anton Drago > Dima Lauri 3 days ago

They "judge" Russia from the point of view of their values and that's ok I think.
But the worst thing is that they totally forgot about their "values" when they
started to support the Ukraine elites and their criminal activities in the eastern
part of the country. Such experts and politicians prefer to close their eyes and
ears and pretend that the Ukrainian regime doesn't violate basic human rights
in Donbas and Lugansk. But at the same time a "fashist" is Dugin
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Mikey380 > Anton Drago 3 days ago

"But the worst thing is that they totally forgot about their "values" when
they started to support the Ukraine elites and their criminal activities in
the eastern part of the country."
You must be one of those brainless idiots who desperately belives in the
Zionist plot, alien conspiracy or whatever. When you say THEY, it stands
that WHOLE THE WORLD condemns Russia for what it is doing in
Ukraine now!! Just so you know, there are ONLY 10 countries - rogue
states mostly ruled by dictators - that had guts to back Putin officially.
Here they are one after another: Armenia, Belarus, Bolivia, Cuba,
Nicaragua, North Korea, Sudan, Syria, Venezuela, Zimbabwe.
http://globalnews.ca/news/1237...
Do you need my help to explain what "values" Russia really shares??

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Anton Drago > Mikey380 3 days ago

Your masters have tought you well such words as "rogue states"
and "dictators", Mickey! I guess you got a banana when you
learned it! Keep believing in your own shit and living in your own
universe pretending that you and your fucking US are not nazies!
The only think that you encouraged in Ukraine is murdering!
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Thanks for recognizing Russia as only a shining star of the
shithole. You hardly can find any more countries to support
Russia because it really SUCKS!! .... BWAHAHAHAHA
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Dima Lauri > Mikey380 3 days ago

It is a great threat for the USA to be fulled with such narrow-
minded, cocky and blatant people!
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Mikey380 > Dima Lauri 3 days ago

What about 140 mln Russian slaves??
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Dima Lauri > Anton Drago 3 days ago

It is a favorite US strategy to label politic opponents with the
terms as "dictator" and "propaganda". I see the risk for US
citizenry to be fooled by the same methods as US victims are.
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Mikey380 > Dima Lauri 3 days ago

Oh yeah, it definitely is!! Especially when Russians have no other
choice but vote for Putin for the third time. In fact, this is not
actually good to elect president through voting. In Cuba, North
Korea or Syria, where a power is given by the right of succession,
the procedure is much more simple. LOL
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Dima Lauri > Anton Drago 3 days ago

Dugin is an outcast and he has very limited influence on the similar
fringe handful of people in Russia. And here is the trick, when Western
media dig out an odious person and demonstrate it like the sample of an
atmosphere in the whole country, I see the whole media continuum is
distorted in this way. Western articles are fulled of emotional and factual
abberations. I assume that is the result of deliberate media strategy to
demonize and to disgrace Russian position. We should consider Ukraine
crisis through the prism of of global struggle over resources and politic
influence.
I also would like to claim that social and politic problems in Russia is not
a good excuse to play dirty with my country. I see positive changes
through last 15 years and I do not want external intermediation.
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4 days ago
Russian sovereignty is not in danger. Russia will respond to any threat. Why the author
concludes that the fear of Russia sovego loss of sovereignty?
Kiev came to power supporters of Nazism and they hate Russia. Their motto was on the
Maidan - maskalyaku on Gilyaki - translated Muscovites visilitsu. Hero of the current
government in Ukraine Bandera and Shukhevych.
From the statement Yaytsenyuka - "Russia has invaded the territory of Germany and
the Ukraine during World War II." I remind the Prime Minister of Ukraine Yaytsenyuk
it.
Poroshenko - declares day of the UPA day of creation of the Ukrainian army. I remind
the UPA an army consisting of the Nazis Ukrainian nationalists. UPA participated in
the massacre of citizens of the USSR and Poland during the Second World War. UPA
killers were particularly brutal - they killed babies, children, women and the elderly.
Russia is against the Nazis in Ukraine.
. .
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.
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see more
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"Russia is against the Nazis in Ukraine."
Indeed. However, it is FOR Nazis in St. Petersburg ... BWAHAHAHA
QUOTE: Some 150 representatives of far-right parties across Europe have been
meeting in Russia to co-ordinate policy.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-...
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My country has lost more than 20 million citizens in the fight against
Nazism. Your laughter is the cynicism and stupidity.
20
. .
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Your quote the BBC - a media propaganda.
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What about the Moscow Times??
QUOTE: The guest list of the International Russian Conservative

Forum was filled with individuals whose parties have been
accused of inciting hate crimes against migrants, anti-Semitism,
homophobia and of using Nazi symbolism. Still, the vast majority
of the participants rejected the "fascist" label.
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/...
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The Moscow Times - the only daily Russian newspaper in
English, issued in Moscow since 1992 (founder - Derk Sauer). Is
available and is included in the business unit editions of the
publishing house Independent Media Sanoma Magazines ...
This is an American newspaper. - No need to judge Russia by
Title tabloids. Judge on the facts.
For you - in St. Petersburg attended the party and members of
the European Parliament eropeyskogo. All these people and the
legitimacy of the party in GUSTs countries. There is a court
decision that they were Nazis? If there is in Russia, they would
have already been in prison.
For you - in Russia for the ideas of Nazism are thrown in jail.
You list the ultra-right-wing movement in the USA?
The Moscow Times

, 1992
( ).
Independent Media
Sanoma Magazines...
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I don't care of how many persons you see every time looking at
your mirror. Anyway, it is all the same Russian mug ruined
through drinking. Rest assured!! LOL
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Mickey!!! Little moron! Where have been? As I see you are still
wasting all your free time on commenting shity articles and
fighting Russians seating in front of your computer! Bad boy! You
should try to find a girlfriend may be you'll be lucky to find one
and stop publishing your nonsense
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Get back to your shithole Russian beggar and enjoy living in your
slum in taiga!! There is no more vodka for you today. LOL
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Mickey! You are starting to repeat yourself! I guess wether you
have bad memory or you are poor with fantasy! Poor american
boy! You must have been watching cartoons all those thirty years.
Discussions on politics are not for such "special" people like you,
kid!
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You would rather shut the fuck up asshole!! In all honesty, I see
nothing else what Russians can do except guzzling down vodka ...
BWAHAHAHA
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! ! ! I have a feeling that some researchers found you some
where in Africa, put in a cage, brought to the US and tought
alphabet and writing. I guess you must be writing from your cage
now. Mickey, I've never met such a moron like you! But I don't
wonder that such an idiot is an american
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You may stuff your feelings up your arse DUMBFUCK!! Get back
to your piggery to have a shit together with your never sobering
mom. LOL
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! ! ! ! bad Mickey! Bad monkey!!! Keep eating, shitting and
watching porn! That is all you are good with!
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Dreaming is not bad.
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Eugene Thornhill 2 days ago

I was expecting the level of comment in THIS publication to be slightly above the "nazi
pig, no u r a nazi pig" type. I think anyone not able to discuss the points raised in an
article in a substantive manner should be banned from commenting. After reading a
good, though provoking article I've scrolled down to comments expecting more good
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Anton Drago > Dima Lauri 3 days ago

Mikey380 > Anton Drago 3 days ago

Do you need my help to explain what "values" Russia really shares??

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Mikey380 > Anton Drago 3 days ago

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Mikey380 > 4 days ago

Indeed. However, it is FOR Nazis in St. Petersburg ... BWAHAHAHA

> Mikey380 4 days ago

> Mikey380 4 days ago

Mikey380 > 4 days ago

QUOTE: The guest list of the International Russian Conservative

> Mikey380 4 days ago

The Moscow Times

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