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Reciprocating compressor routing #63948 - 08/14/15 07:46 AM

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Re: Reciprocating compressor routing [Re: Shabeer] #63950 - 08/14/15 09:10 AM
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Re: Reciprocating compressor routing [Re: Shabeer] #63951 - 08/14/15 09:18 AM 15171 Topics
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route should be flexible enough for damping thermal displacements and 10:16 PM
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Posts: 56 reciprocating compressors are very lower than fixed equipment.
Loc: Malaysia Besides supporting of the piping is the main concern.
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Re: Reciprocating compressor routing [Re: Shabeer] #63956 - 08/15/15 02:23 AM

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06/11/15 While performing static pipe stress analysis it should be noted that the
Posts: 29 routing and supporting for the same goes to manufacturer or pulsation
Loc: UAE study specialist for the Pulsation and mechanical studies based on the
design approaches listed in sec. 7.9.4.2 "Design approach" of API 618,
5th edition.
As per sec 7.9.4.2.3 & 4 : pre-study of the system, Acoustic
Simulation,and Mechanical Review and Piping Restraint Analysis needs to
be carried out by pulsation study specialist.

Also, the same is elaborated in Annex N of API 618, 5th edition.

Hence prior pipe routing, supporting and analysis becomes extremely

critical as party performing above specialized studies can suggest major
layout, supporting changes which can be very difficult to absorb at the

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later stage of the project. (later stage mentioned because, specialist
analysis report & recommendation takes time and by that time most of
the other nearby pipe routing gets freezed.)

So, some of the vital things that can be taken care of before submitting
the documents for above mentioned analysis are:-

1) Flexibility should be added to the connected piping to minimize nozzle

loads on the compressor as minimum as possible.
2) While adding flexibility to the piping, natural frequency of the system
needs to be enhanced as maximum as possible. Guideline for same can
be referred from sec 7.9.4.2.5.3.2 "Separation Margins" of API 618, 5th
edition. ( I understand these guidelines are very stringent.. but again
this is the beauty behind analysis of Recip compressor systems and
hence frequency shall be as max as possible).
3) With the above two things done, one shall be prepared for some
changes/modifications suggested after the pulsation vendor study.
Hence adequate margin for the routing/supporting and nozzle loads shall
be kept.
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Re: Reciprocating compressor routing [Re: Shabeer] #64034 - 08/20/15 08:46 AM

NRAM
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In the most vibrating piping connecting to reciprocating compressors
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Posts: 56 have rubber strip bonding inside it. I have some questions regarding this
Loc: Malaysia kind of clamps:
1- Do these kind of clamps keep a tight hold on the pipe? I mean does
any preset load applies to the pipe? If yes, what is the value for preset
load?
2- How can I specify thickness of the rubber?
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Re: Reciprocating compressor routing [Re: NRAM] #64036 - 08/20/15 10:00 AM

DineshK
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06/11/15 When Pulsation vendor/specialists performs the Pulsation and
Posts: 29 mechanical studies they come up with a defined unbalanced forces
Loc: UAE present in every leg of the piping system.

Depending upon the layout, supporting and some mechanical and

process parameters some piping legs may have zero or small
unbalanced forces in the piping leg and can be mitigated/balanced by
considering frictional forces.
While in some of the piping legs, these unbalanced forces may be quiet
high and needs special attention. For these cases, even though the
piping leg is securely restrained, additional forces needs to be added into
the leg to check the unbalanced forces(wherein clamps comes in
picture).

These clamps (when securely tightened) introduces further normal force

within the system and hence increasing the frictional force and thus
together balancing out all the unbalanced forces in the leg.

So, as an answer to the first question: these clamps are specially

designed to keep a tight hold on the pipe. For this, necessary preset
loads or deflection(in case clamp is spring loaded) is provided by most of
the pulsation vendors and the magnitude of it varies depending on the
unbalanced force to be mitigated.

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In response to the second question, i don't have much to say as the
main purpose being achieving the required normal & friction force,
rubber can efficiently do it to an extent but the question remains "For
how much unbalanced force?"

Attached is a representation of spring loaded type clamp used for

arresting vibration, just for reference.

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Re: Reciprocating compressor routing [Re: Shabeer] #64060 - 08/21/15 10:39 AM

NRAM
Member Thank you very much Mr. Dinesh K.
Now some questions come up.
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01/31/12 1- In some piping standard support detail there is a sketch like the
Posts: 56 attached picture. It doesn't mentioned preset load for spring or washer. I
Loc: Malaysia don't know what I should input to the software. Should I ask the vendor
for preset load?
2- How can I model a support with preset load? Should I specify for
example Y direction support with stiffness and external load by double
click Forces/Moments?

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Re: Reciprocating compressor routing [Re: Shabeer] #64068 - 08/23/15 04:59 AM

DineshK
Member When the pulsation analysis is done by the specialist, and given that the
unbalanced forces are significant, they are suppose to and in a better
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Posts: 29 loading.
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For inputting in CAESAR II model, required force needs to be entered in
the Forces/Moments section. Also, practically, at site the similar force
needs to be imparted by providing the displacement to which the spring
is to be compressed.
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Re: Reciprocating compressor routing [Re: Shabeer] #64235 - 09/04/15 02:54 AM

NRAM
Member Are below load cases correct for this kind of clamps?
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W+D1+T1+P1+U1+F1

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F1= clamp preset load
D1= nozzle quipment displacement
U1= uniform load due to occasional cases
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