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umeshrao Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:07 pm Post subject: Re: Kindly Neccessary advice early
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Faheem ali wrote:

Dear Vikramjeet sir
Are there any Clauses in BS or IS where we can Force onto the Contractor to expedite/speed
up the project of Higher Commercial value/use.The contractor is not worried of the
fine the Client is worried of loss of valuable rental income.
We can use some clauses as warning to the contractor so that the Client/employer does not
incur loss of rental income due to delay or negligence of the Contractor. An early reply
Joined: 23 Aug 2010
appreciated
Posts: 570
Location: Bangalore, India Thankx faheem ali

It is matter of contact signed between clients and contractors,and details of the same.
Tender documents are contractual obligation document and are abide's by contract law.
If tender document has a clause of time, schedules,termination clauses then you are within
the contracting clause to terminate and handover balance work to some other agency.
Please check if issues are some thing different. Quite a few times even clients do not abide
by clauses in the tender and hence refrain from strict actions.
Regards
Umesh Rao

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umeshrao Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:22 pm Post subject:

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[quote="gpsarathyy"]
Chennai
GPSARATHYY@GMAIL.COM

Joined: 23 Aug 2010
Posts: 570
Location: Bangalore, India
Dear Mr.Sarathyy,
In the RCC building sum total of all reinforcing steel as an average is about 85 to 100
kg/Cum.
Since steel density for all practical purposes is 8T/Cum. One % of steel will be 80kg/Cum. On
an average the consumption of steel rarely exceeds 1.25%. Considering this aspect,
A footing [Isolated] seldom has more than 0.3 to 0.4% of steel and hence will consume 0.35
X 80= 24 kg in one direction and footing may consume 40 to 60 kg?Cum.
Columns normally are designed using 1.5 to 2.5% of steel and hence will have 120 to 200 kg
of steel.
Beams will have between 125 to 250 kg of steel.
Slabs will also have steel almost close to 50 to 60 kg/Cum,since % of steel may not be
higher than 0.3 to 0.4%.
Whereas rafts which are closer to beams in behavior high bending and high shear hence will
consume about 150 to 250kg/Cum.
I will write about steel building based on various types of structures done in the next post,
may be tomorrow.
Regards
Umesh Rao

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gpsarathyy Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 4:39 pm Post subject:

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Dear Umesh Rao sir,

Thanks for sharing your experience, I am more interested in the steel buildings, anyway iam
waiting for your next posting.

Joined: 28 Jun 2010 Thanks,

Posts: 483 G.Parthasarathy
Location: chennai
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rajancivildesign@gmail.co Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 3:18 pm Post subject: Estimation Steel quantity for a RCC Building by
... dia of rods

Respected Engineers,
I want to give additional information on reqirement of steel for RCC Building by actual rod dia
required. A Table is enclosed for reference please.

V.M.RAJAN.
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gpsarathyy Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 3:43 pm Post subject:

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Dear Mr Rajan sir,

Thank you for your posting, which will be very useful to the engineers for estimation and
quantity calculation.

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rajancivildesign@gmail.co Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 9:20 am Post subject: ESTIMATION OF CEMENT & STEEL BASED ON
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I hereby added some more details on estimation of cement and steel based on data collected
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olavocarvalho Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 4:12 pm Post subject: Structural Quantity Estimate for Steel buildings -
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Sir, I have taken quotations for a PEB Shed at Goa.

The column grid spacing is 5.70 Meters.
The frame is a multicolumn spacing of about 20 meters each and the total width of the frame is
60 meters...
The height of the frame at eaves is 10 meters.
Joined: 08 Sep 2008
Posts: 39 The PEB manufacturers have been asked to design their structures as per IS:800-2007,
IS:801, IS:875 etc.
WE HAVE RECEIVED 6 QUOTATIONS FROM six PEB MANUFACTURERS.
What is interesting is that the approx weight per Square meter varies from 18 Kg/M2 to 42
Kg/m2.

All of them refuse to part with the structural analysis and design until 20% of the cost of
structure is paid.

All claim that their structure is safe.

Can somebody throw light as to how the selection of the manufacturer is to be carried out.

All the manufacturers suggest that we use MBMA and ASTM codes method of design and not the
Indian Standards.

Regards

Olavo Carvalho

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Respected Engineers,
I want to give additional information on reqirement of steel for RCC Building by actual rod
dia required. A Table is enclosed for reference please.

V.M.RAJAN.

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suresh_sharma Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 2:41 am Post subject:

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Mr.Vikramjit,
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it is the spacing for the truss, not for the purlin. At first hand it appears to be spacing for purlin
as literally conveyed. But the spacing purlin can not be 6m or 4.5 m. Am I correct in interpreting
that the same is spacing for the truss?

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arulsteel Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 8:07 am Post subject: Structural Quantity Estimate for Steel buildings -
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Dear Friend from Goa Carvalho

You brought out a valid point. Today anybody who can invest a few lakhs in fabrication is a PEB
vendor. This is precisely because the demand out beats the supply. I have personally
Joined: 26 Jan 2003 investigated failure of PEB structures both in service and during erection. While most of the
Posts: 66
clients use kg/sq.m as a yard stick - many tend to take undue advantage of this yard stick.
Some people take the side wall girts in PEBs as support to columns to reduce effective length -
which is dangerous - a column support must be positively anchored some where. First you must
have the technical evaluation and those who pass must be considered for the cost component -
which is the norm in many places.

From the data I believe the one has designed the 60 m span PEB with 18kg/sq.m must be a
"super human" or a "quack". I have no data to make a decision on that. Please dont go by the
lowest weight. Get them evaluated by a competent engineer in Goa.

MBMA is just an industry standard not much of techno-legal standing as the BIS codes.

regards
arul

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From: olavocarvalho <forum@sefindia.org>
Subject: [SEFI] Re: Structural Quantity Estimate for Steel buildings - Thumbrule
To: general@sefindia.org
Date: Wednesday, 27 April, 2011, 10:18 AM

Sir, I have taken quotations for a PEB Shed at Goa.

The column grid spacing is 5.70 Meters.
The frame is a multicolumn spacing of about 20 meters each and the total width of the frame is
60 meters...
The height of the frame at eaves is 10 meters.
The PEB manufacturers have been asked to design their structures as per IS:800-2007,
IS:801, IS:875 etc.
WE HAVE RECEIVED 6 QUOTATIONS FROM six PEB MANUFACTURERS.
What is interesting is that the approx weight per Square meter varies from 18 Kg/M2 to 42
Kg/m2.

All of them refuse to part with the structural analysis and design until 20% of the cost of
structure is paid.

All claim that their structure is safe.

Can somebody throw light as to how the selection of the manufacturer is to be carried out.

All the manufacturers suggest that we use MBMA and ASTM codes method of design and not the
Indian Standards.

Regards

Olavo Carvalho

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ibarua Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 4:43 am Post subject: Structural Quantity Estimate for Steel buildings -
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28th April 2011

Just yesterday, one PEB manaufacturer claimed steel usage of 30 kgs. per sq.m. for a building
with 5 m. eaves height, and single sheet roofing & walls. The steel consumption will increase is
double skinned roof /walls are used -- no EOT crane.
Joined: 26 Jan 2003
Posts: 1039
Conventional design using IS:800 will consume around 22-24 kg. of steel per sq.m. for a similar
structure -- no steel sheet walls and no EOT crane.

Take your pick.

Indrajit Barua.

Design by MBMA and ASTM codes will entail less steel usage as thinner sections can be used
compared to IS:800.

On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 10:18:41 +0530 "olavocarvalho" <forum@sefindia.org> wrote

[quote] Sir, I have taken quotations for a PEB Shed at Goa.
The column grid spacing is 5.70 Meters.
The frame is a multicolumn spacing of about 20 meters each and the total width of the frame is
60 meters...
The height of the frame at eaves is 10 meters.
The PEB manufacturers have been asked to design theirstructuresas per IS:800-2007,
IS:801, IS:875 etc.
WE HAVE RECEIVED 6 QUOTATIONS FROM six PEB MANUFACTURERS.
What is interesting is that the approx weight per Square meter varies from 18 Kg/M2 to 42
Kg/m2.

All of them refuse to part with the structural analysis and designuntil20% of the cost of structure
is paid.

All claim that their structure is safe.

Can somebody throw light as to how the selection of the manufacturer is to be carried out.

All the manufacturers suggest that we use MBMA and ASTM codes method of design and not the
Indian Standards.

Regards

Olavo Carvalho

On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 8:48 PM, rajancivildesign <forum@sefindia.org (forum@sefindia.org)>

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