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* Surely if they were speeding or driving through red light then they cannot be deemed innocent
victims?
**#** I take the position that any allegation must be considered in a neutral manner and a person
might drive through red light in justified circumstances. I for one was directed by police to drive
through red light because it was malfunctioning. As such, you need to consider all relevant
circumstances in each case. If the evidence or purported evidence is tainted to be unlawful, etc,
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then the accused is the innocent victim of it. If a temporary speed limit sign fails to show the
reduced speed limit then a driver can be wrongly booked for speeding. If the speed limit is
lowered but not the timing increased of the amber light then a motorist may be unable to even
cross in the amber light situation. There are numerous other issues and well I have attended to
some in my earlier today’s correspondence to the Road Safety Camera Commissioner.
QUOTE
Road Safety Camera Commissioner 6-6-2018
commissioner@cameracommissioner.vic.gov.au
Sir,
I direct myself to you as to what appears to me to be an elaborate conspiracy to defraud
motorist as well as to deceive the administration of justice involving red light/speed cameras,
etc, for revenue raising purposes. In fact it appears to me to undermine road safety. Some issues
may not relate to camera usage but I view the overall picture should be explained as to have a
more comprehensive understanding that there is a lot wrong when it comes to the alleged road
safety issues. In my view every alleged violation in driving, parking that involved the
measurement of speed/time by instruments that are not certified by the Commonwealth both as
a bench test as well at its location are INVALID and so NULL AND VOID. Any enforcement,
as set out below, would b e a gross misuse and abuse of power and a form of terrorism and where
you as the Road Safety Camera Commissioner upon any complaint to you may have grossly
failed to consider matters from a neutral position.
Some of the issues not in any order of importance:
Failure of proper certification
School times
Traffic speed/advisory trailers
Speed timing
Reduction of speed limits
Distance to travel
Contraction and expanding of materials
Ladder against the poles
Revenue raising
Nullification
Parking meters/sensors
Much is claimed by the Government of the Day as well as other officials that it is all about road
safety but reality is often coming out that it is nothing more or less then revenue raising.
Some of the issues raised below are, albeit not in any order of importance, as to indicate revenue
raising is the real issue and this to counter act road safety in real terms, and in the process so
called red light cameras appears to me to be used as speed cameras and falsely/deceptively used
to fine motorist for revenue purposes. I will below set out some details.
Revenue raising is going on in many ways. Governments will always use all kind of lame duck
excuses to justify it but reality is that it is a money grabbing issue and nothing less.
QUOTE
Hello,
Do you want your Titles Office to be privatised under the words - proposed long term lease of the land
titles and registry functions of Land Use Victoria - ? Then send in a submission to say NO!!!!. A simple
"NO" will be sufficient. Titles of your property is private information and should Not be outsourced!!!
I was aware that the Titles Office under the amended name of Land Use Victoria, was being propped up to
privatise. My friend who bought a house in Wodonga, paid $1,300 on $522,000 for a "digital copy". A paper
Certificate of Title, was extra!!! When I had a Land Transfer over 10 years ago, the paper Certificate of Title
was $99. rgds Marg
END QUOTE
Revenue raising clearly is going on and on slugging people in all directions and then we have a
political party cheating itself into power by paying out reportedly $1.2 Billion for NOT building
a road, that was promoted as not costing a single cent, as after all slugging people in all kinds of
way means the floodgates of monies are there to provide for it.
Let us consider how to utilize the North East Link best for future generations.
The document can be downloaded from:
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East-Link-Committee
Then we have the North East Link authority that issued out a survey, to which I responded, only
then later to deny it did isse such survey and never considered the submissions. The rout A then
projected as a $7 Billion dollar cost then blew out, well so far, to $16.5 Billion. As such the route
was pre-determined and under quoted to deceive those involved in the survey and when the rout
contemplated by NELA was not chosen it simply went ahead disregarding the survey
submissions entirely. The premier however claimed to have been in consultation with those
effected, which clearly in my view was a lie.
Parking in Melbourne CBD: Meter revenue fills council coffers | Herald ...
www.heraldsun.com.au/...revenue...parking...melbourne-city.../4f074492c9ab7c2e517b...
Aug 14, 2017 - Record revenue from parking fees helps put Melbourne City Council in the black
... There is a correlation between increasing compliance by the public and the number of parking
fines being issued,'' she said. Motorists can pay more than $5 an hour for parks in the CBD. ...
Seven's gigantic ratings disaster.
It is clear that this revenue raising to get monies for issues such as the library and refurbishing
the Town Hall has absolutely nothing to do with road safety. Neither as to Sydney hourly
charges. Where the Melbourne City council had reduced the parking facilities by some whopping
22% then surely the reduction in revenue, even if only used for safety issues(which I do not
accept is the real issue) then to slug motorist more per parking space is advers to safety issues. A
real council concerned about safety issues rather would increase and not decrease parking
facilities.
QUOTE
The council expects to post a surplus of around $15 million.
RACV's general manager of public policy and corporate affairs Bryce Prosser said the council should be "less
reliant" on revenue from on-street parking, saying these spaces would be "better used for wider footpaths, and
bike and bus lanes".
He said the RACV supports extra cycling hoops for the city, but said "the council needs to reduce the number
of bicycles used for advertising, which take up space on existing hoops across the CBD".
END QUOTE
Cr Wood said the council's plan was to ultimately shift people onto public transport.
"With that significant growth, you can't rely on a single occupancy car to ensure that liveability," Cr Wood said.
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"The point I want to go back to though is if we can get people onto foot
experiencing our city, what we know is that they spend more.
"It's good for the environment, it's good for health and it's actually good for the bottom line."
The increase in fees will be rolled out over the course of four months, if the budget is adopted as expected in late June.
In addition to parking changes, the council will also invest millions in creating new public spaces in Southbank and at the Queen
Victoria Market, tackling homelessness and improving bicycle networks.
END QUOTE
In my view it is not for a council to pursue matters which are for the Government to be
determined. Neither to force people out of motor vehicles onto public transport. That is not a
safety issue. Neither the creation of public parks at cost of motorist paying more for parking.
Drivers back calls for Bell St, Preston speed limit to be returned to ...
www.heraldsun.com.au/...bell-st...speed-limit.../c68dc6f546e04515e90ac299e1c6317...
Apr 7, 2016 - Andrew Hopgood was also unhappy with the changes commenting: “So, the speed
limit on Bell St was reduced because there was a crash in ...
RACV calls for Bell St Preston speed limit to rise to 70km/h | Leader
www.heraldsun.com.au/...bell-st-speed-limit.../53624f23a38e4ecca9e6b63e1d416148
Apr 3, 2016 - A study by RACV consultant Robert Morgan questioned figures used by VicRoads to
justify last year's unpopular lowering of the speed limit to ...
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Drivers back calls for Bell St, Preston speed limit to be returned to 70km/h
Leader readers backed last week’s call by the RACV for VicRoads to reinstate the 70km/h speed
limit along parts of Bell St, calling the initial decision an “ill-informed, kneejerk reaction” and
“stupid”.
RELATED: RACV calls for Bell St Preston speed limit to return to 70km/h
Motorists took particular issue with crash figures used to justify the speed reduction, to 60km/h, which were
questioned by RACV consultant Robert Morgan.
Mr Morgan said his study of police reports found speed may have been a factor in just 55 of the 199 crashes
between July 1, 2008 and June 30, 2013 that VicRoads used to justify the reduction in speed.
The study also found 60 crashes did not even occur on Bell St, one happening in Forest Hill — almost 20km
away from the end of Bell St.
Brett commented: “I use the full length of Bell St twice a day and always found the flow good at the 70km/h
limit. I was annoyed at the drop to 60km/h, and find this has caused more hazardous situations than
previously experienced.
“I welcome a review of what seemed an ill-informed, kneejerk decision to change what had been in place for
decades,” he said.
Andrew Hopgood was also unhappy with the changes commenting: “So, the speed limit on Bell St was
reduced because there was a crash in Forest Hill. Might as well just ban cars”.
Regular Bell St driver Brendan Fisher complained the 60km/h limit was too slow for a road that had been
“clearly designed to be driven at 70 in non-peak times”.
“If it needs to be 60, just install adjustable speed signs for peak traffic then increase it to 70 outside those
times,” he said.
Commenter Spandex said: “Why don’t we just walk instead of driving? Pretty soon we’ll be banned from
doing that too”.
VicRoads has been asked to respond to calls for the speed limit to be reinstated.
RACV general manager of public policy Brian Negus said last week Mr Morgan’s study had proved lowering
the speed limit had been unjustified.
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“In a nutshell, Bell St did not have a significant crash problem and the types of crashes that were happening
could not be fixed by dropping the speed limit,” Mr Negus said.
A spokeswoman for Roads Minister Luke Donnellan said the number of crashes on Bell St between Alva
Grove and Waterdale Rd had “reduced significantly” since the speed limit was lowered. VicRoads
spokesman Bryan Sherritt also said the speed reduction had helped reduce crashes.
VicRoads dropped the speed limit to 60km/h between Alva Grove in Coburg and Waterdale Rd in Heidelberg
West.
END QUOTE
Here we had allegedly the movement of the bridge due to the moving of traffic causing problems
with the accurately of the cameras. But I view there is more to it.
Speed camera reboot to nab speeding West Gate Fwy motorists
news.com.au
Keith Moor
January 29, 2015
Grieve Parade speed cameras on the West Gate Freeway. Source: News Limited
POLICE are about to again start using speed cameras to nab motorists on the
West Gate Freeway at Altona North.
The fixed cameras were deactivated in June 2013 to allow VicRoads to conduct road
works.
Signs warning motorists about the imminent return of the cameras went up yesterday.
The cameras outbound near Millers Rd and inbound at Grieve Parade will start fining
speeding motorists during the week beginning February 9.
Police have been testing them during the past 14 weeks, but not issuing fines.
They detected more than 12,000 speeding motorists during that time.
“Motorists will be given a fair warning before enforcement begins, but that is not an
invitation for motorists to speed in the meantime,” he said.
keith.moor@news.com.au
http://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/speed-camera-reboot-to-nab-speeding-
west-gate-fwy-motorists/story-fnii5sms-1227201196228
The following about motorist using a freeway having to pay for a freeway they are not using!
QUOTE
Victoria. Tolls to empty motorists' pockets.
Jim
May 2 at 2:48 PM 2015
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The contract with Transurban should be shredded as it was never consented to by the
majority of Victorian people, and the Liberal Kennett government did not have a
mandate at the time to privatise and convert part of the Tullamarine and Monash
freeways into toll roads.
Jim
The $5.5 billion Western Distributor project aims to rid the West Gate Bridge of
congestion. Source: News Limited
MOTORISTS will be slugged toll fees on CityLink and the proposed Western
Distributor until at least 2045, delivering billions of dollars to toll operator
Transurban.
Based on one Herald Sun forecast, using previous pricing trends and traffic volumes,
the deal to continue operating CityLink beyond 2035 could land the company an
estimated $8 billion.
Current tolls on CityLink were to end in 2034 but have been extended for an extra
year after Transurban, in a separate agreement, agreed to partially fund the $1.3
billion upgrade of Tullamarine Freeway that will add 33km of new lanes and cut travel
times to the airport by up to 20 minutes.
In a separate analysis, tolls on the Western Distributor could see Transurban pocket
$7 billion over 25 years.
Sources have told the Herald Sun Transurban wants to run toll points along CityLink
and the Western Distributor at the same time, at least up until 2045 but ideally until
2050.
A Transurban spokesman said the company would not speculate on how much CityLink
would make in tolls if the concession was granted.
But he said the concession extension was worth $1.5 billion to $2 billion in net present
value terms.
“Our proposal will be tested by government to ensure it delivers value for money for
our community,” the spokesman said.
The $5.5 billion Western Distributor project aims to rid the West Gate Bridge of
congestion and trucks would be removed from local roads with a direct freight route to
be created to the Port of Melbourne.
aleks.devic@news.com.au
http://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/proposed-western-distributor-deal-to-cost-
billions/story-fnii5sms-1227331064374
END QUOTE
Bogus breath tests – dubbed by cops as "falsies" or "ghosties" – have been happening for at least
15 years, police officers say.
The Age revealed this week that Victorian police falsified more than 258,000 breath tests over
5½ years – about 1.5 per cent of all tests carried out in that time.
But police officers say the practice has been going on for much longer, calling into question the
veracity of more than a decade of Victoria's drink-driving statistics.
END QUOTE
At a rate of about 10 seconds every test it would be at least 700 (paid) man hours of deception
and the police command claims no crime was committed. And that might only be about what is
known and not the rest of the elaborate cultural swindle by police officers. And the courts rely
upon their evidence as informers they are honest? Like the parking inspector I refer to below! If
someone in authority dis deceptive then this is usually a crime against an innocent person. As
indicated if a person loses his license and so unable to go to work or perform his work than this is
a criminal matter against this person if the basis used against this person was unlawful in the first
place.
We are at times assured that bench testing is done properly. What bench testing? After all a
camera can work perfect in a contained area but then if placed on a moving structure like a
bridge (Bolte Bridge an example) then no matter how accurately the bench testing was done it
has absolutely no credibility to any alleged breaches recorded.
Infringement - M80 Ring Rd - Victorian Traffic Law Forum - Motor ...
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Jan 24, 2017 - I cant recall seeing the variable speed limit reduced to 40km/h at this time and ... I
dont think they adjusted the fixed camera that day because I was .... just coming off the west gate
bridge Geelong bound in the 100km zone
http://www.trafficlaw.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3916
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Infringement - M80 Ring Rd
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Apart form losing my licence for 6 months and the difficulties I will have with my employment
my main concern is that my father has inoperable pancreatic cancer and I drive him to Peter Mac
for treatment once a week for treatment and some other medical appointments. Unfortunately
my elderly mother cant drive so I am really anxious and I am keen to know what my best course
of action would be.
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I've attached some links to a similar situation at Keilor Park Drive from 2013.
Hardy
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I see clients with this problem every second week. It must happen whenever they reduce the
speed limit to 40kmh on freeways with cameras. People simply ignore the 40kmh speed limit in
their hundreds. The fact that you have no recollection of the speed limit is not unusual. Most
drivers pay scant regard to it - many reduce speed by 10 or 20 kmh below the usual limit and
think that is adequate compliance. They seem to think the posted limit is advisory only and not
actually enforced. Next time you see a freeway 40kmh speed limit try driving at 40kmh and you
will see what I mean.
And if you were on your phone at the time you might not have noticed the change in speed limit
signs even though they are overhead and flashing at you on that section of the WRR. Anyway, the
only way to save your licence is to take the case to court and win, so I guess you will be lodging
your court election within 28 days.
freddie
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Hardy wrote:Next time you see a freeway 40kmh speed limit try driving at 40kmh and you will see what
I mean.
Had this once on the Geelong Rd outbound near Hoppers Crossing, the usual situation where all
evidence of any actual road works is completely gone, but no "end road works" or "100" sign in
sight. So everyone just goes back to the normal speed limit. This happened after the Keilor Park
Drive debacle & I knew I was approaching a fixed camera site so I went into the leftmost lane
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and tried to do 40 until i got past the camera.
When youre on a motorbike doing 40 and you have trucks thundering past you and up your arse
doing 100 its not a very comfortable position to be in. I dont think they adjusted the fixed
camera that day because I was defininteyl "speeding" when i passed it in fear of my bloody life.
freddie
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I see that many fixed cameras sites on freeways where there are variable overhead signs now
have a separate camera sited before the actual speed camera to photograph what the electronic
speed signs were showing at the time of the infringment.
chris_73
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how's this for rotten luck... I contacted Vicroads to find out more information about whey there
was a reduced speed limit on that day, it turns out that the reduced speed was due to a car
breakdown in one of the lanes...
As per your request, VicRoads can advise that speeds were reduced from 100kph to 40 kph on
the date referred to in your request at approximately 6:48am. This was due to a vehicle break
down in one of the lanes. Speeds were returned to normal (100kph) at approximately 6:56am.
.. it was for a duration of 8 minutes from 6:48am - 6:56am... I got nabbed at 6:52am doing
77km/h meaning the speed limit went from 100km/h to 40km/h without any prior signage apart
from the overhead signs and I had 600m to "safely" slow from 100km to 40km in heavy peak hour
traffic which I'm not even sure if this is even physically possible on a road full of trucks....
I have received legal advice who said these cases are never overturned as it is a mandatory
penalty for this infringement and even the magistrates have no discretion to dismiss of reduce
the penalty even if they believe it is warranted, the only way is to prove the camera was faulty
and there is no likely chance for this to be dismissed or penalty reduced. Which in reality is not
really the case, it was more an issue of inadequate signage (anyone else seeing any similarities to
the a similar issue on the Ring Rd in 2013...)
So, in light of this new information what should I do? If I've been advised that it is futile to pursue
this type of infringement is there any point at all in objecting to it and going to court or am I just
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throwing money at the wall? @Hardy, you mentioned in your last comment that "Anyway, the
only way to save your licence is to take the case to court and win, so I guess you will be lodging
your court election within 28 days." do you think there is any chance of winning this case?
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I about twice a week drives along the M80 Ring Road and find it annoying when say at 10pm
there are signs at the site of the road showing 40km/h when there appears to be no work in
progress at all. In fact I wrote to the State government some time ago about this and well it now
advertises that road reductions are for the road to settle.
Anyhow, my habit is to simply slow down to below 40k.hr as I am not in a hurry to get
anywhere. As a senior citizen I am well adjusted to take my time. I see however then most
vehicles driving past me at high speed. I never actually realised there were speed cameras at that
section of the M80 Ring Road. I do not regret missing out on the photo opportunities I now
become aware of existed to be snapped in speeding. And while the above may claim there was in
one incident a broken down car, I for all the times have seen 40K/hr signs never encountered a
single car broken down. Still, I just habitually reduce speed to 40 km/h. At times letting my wife
know that once again the speed limit was reduced to 40km/h even so no roadworks appears to
have been going on at all at that time.
When you have the turn off from the M80 Ring Road near Airport West shopping centre there is
a 40km/h speed limit just before the turn off. Say about 10 metres but when you are travelling in
the direction of the shopping centre it doesn’t appear to apply. The problem is the sign is
confusing in that regard as it is about 20 meters before an 80 km/h sign when travelling to the
shopping centre. As such no end roadworks or whatever and neither reasonably appropriate to
reduce speed to 40km/h for a mere 20 metres. I understand the reduction of speed is for the turn
off but it is not so indicated.
Then there are all kinds of speed limits signs and part road blockage which appears to be done by
people who are cutting grass as a profession to allow them to park in front of a property
otherwise prohibited, the loading of trucks or delivery, etc. I recall and incident some years ago
where peak hour traffic was reduced to one lane in Bell Street near the freeway in Coburg, where
one lane was closed off as they were laying a concrete driveway. That property subsequently was
vacant for many years later. In my view there was absolutely no justification to obstruct the
movement of traffic, let alone peak hour traffic for the laying of a concrete driveway where the
property was vacant subsequently for years. Actually when one travelled along Lower Plenty
Road then at the end in Heidelberg they had half of the road closed off for trucks. In the end the
fence and the building on it were demolished and they are building some huge story apartment
building there. Again, in my view the closing off of the road was totally unjustified but for the
workers it seems the easy way to gain more space to walk about, never mind the increase of cost
to delivery trucks to move goods and deliver it elsewhere and the utter frustration and
inconvenience to motorist in general.
To combat this kind of flagrant abuse of the system I view that any road obstruction should be
authorised by VicRoads or its equivalent in a State/Territory. As such a sign should show the
permit number to close off part of the road.
We also have the police causing utter frustration in many ways. When they do breath testing they
got often a mere 2 officer while blocking both lanes and clearly insufficient police in attendance
where for a kilometre or more cars are banked up.
Not uncommon motorist attention are drawn by the (in Victoria) mainly yellow trailers which are
indicating a speed limit or other warnings/advisory information. I long ago did urge the State
Government to mandate that such trailers on the side of the road are mandated with on it a
VicRoad sign as to distinct them from other advertising trailers. You might for example find 3
trailers in a row in less than 50 metres all advertising wares for merchants and where this
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happens between 2 sets of traffic lights such as in Murray road Northland then a motorist needing
to be alert to the ongoing traffic and lights is side tracked by those trailers not knowing if they
are road related details or not. If the VicRoad sign was fitted and illuminated on top of the trailer
then a motorist could know the difference to which trailer carries road information/details and
which not. Also, not uncommon those trailers are at freeways and other road but are not working.
If they are not supposed to be working they should be removed or covered up but to have non-
working trailers standing on the side of a highway can be problematic. For example if the trailer
is to show a speed reduction say 40 km/h but is not working then motorist rightly may be
unaware of the speed reduction and then get booked for speeding where technically they were
not as the sign was inoperative and as such no speed limit applies.
Another issue is that to expect any motorist to know when there are or are not school times is
utter ridiculous. Not uncommon there are vehicles parked at a school, such as on Saturdays, and
if a motorist then to assume a 40 km/h speed limit applies or is it not a school day? Then there
are days a school may give students a day of but technically it might be a school day and so are
motorist required to reduce speed to 40 km/h this even so the school is closed for the day or
perhaps for an extensive period for whatever reason? As such I view any special reduction of
speed in any particular zone that is based on some external factors like school times should only
be deemed operative if the lights are illuminated. As such the school itself must activate the
lights to show reduction in speed and failing to do so the ordinary speed should be deemed
applicable. People who come from interstate or even overseas hardly would be acquainted with a
State school times. Their watches could also be out of time, including their car clock.
Also, schools and other entities that require speed reduction zones should not be permitted to be
set up at any major road. Any responsible government would ensure that the safety of students
would be more enhanced to keep the school venues away as much as possible from major
highways, such as in side streets. It is absurd to reduce the speed limit from say 100km/h to 40
km/h for allegedly the safety of students where an alternative can be applied that would avoid
any such clashes.
Perhaps road under/over passes may have to be provided to seek to reduce any clashes between
students and the motorist.
The following about the mandatory issue versus nullification
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Postchris_73Mon Jan 30, 2017 8:06 pm
how's this for rotten luck... I contacted Vicroads to find out more information about whey there
was a reduced speed limit on that day, it turns out that the reduced speed was due to a car
breakdown in one of the lanes...
As per your request, VicRoads can advise that speeds were reduced from 100kph to 40 kph on
the date referred to in your request at approximately 6:48am. This was due to a vehicle break
down in one of the lanes. Speeds were returned to normal (100kph) at approximately 6:56am.
.. it was for a duration of 8 minutes from 6:48am - 6:56am... I got nabbed at 6:52am doing
77km/h meaning the speed limit went from 100km/h to 40km/h without any prior signage apart
from the overhead signs and I had 600m to "safely" slow from 100km to 40km in heavy peak hour
traffic which I'm not even sure if this is even physically possible on a road full of trucks....
So, in light of this new information what should I do? If I've been advised that it is futile to pursue
this type of infringement is there any point at all in objecting to it and going to court or am I just
throwing money at the wall? @Hardy, you mentioned in your last comment that "Anyway, the
only way to save your licence is to take the case to court and win, so I guess you will be lodging
your court election within 28 days." do you think there is any chance of winning this case?
END QUOTE
In my view there can be no such thing as MANDATORY sentencing, this because there is a
separation of powers. The judiciary can only be appointed (see Letters patent) as an “impartial
administration of justice”. Hence, the judiciary can nullify any charges and at times in fact does
so. Regretfully merely too often when police officers themselves are charged for violating road
rules whereas anyone else still is required if not terrorist to pay up. As such, we have that a
magistrate held one of the 2 cameras was out of timing and so the police woman (driving her
own car) had her charges dismissed but other motorist issued with Infringement Notices for the
same still had their fines enforced.
HANSARD 31-1-1898 Constitution Convention Debates
QUOTE Mr. WISE (New South Wales).-
It might be that a law passed by the Federal Parliament was so counter to the popular feeling of a particular
state, and so calculated to injure the interests of that state, that it would become the duty of every citizen to
exercise his practical power of nullification of that law by refusing to convict persons of offences
against it. That is a means by which the public obtains a very striking opportunity of manifesting its
condemnation of a law, and a method which has never been known to fail, if the law itself was
originally unjust. I think it is a measure of protection to the states and to the citizens of the states which
should be preserved, and that the Federal Government should not have the power to interfere and prevent the
citizens of a state adjudicating on the guilt or innocence of one of their fellow citizens conferred upon it by
this Constitution.
END QUOTE
None of those listed show any legislative powers for the State/States but merely provide certain
exclusion for the Commonwealth and rights to accept matters from a State or States.
The difference in the meaning of those headings is that Section 52 became exclusive legislative
powers for the Commonwealth upon the creation of the commonwealth on 1 January 21901
whereas Section 51 was pending when the Commonwealth commenced to legislate upon a
subject matter.
As such the CONCURRENT legislative powers no more but was that until the Commonwealth
commenced to legislate the States had the legislative powers to do the same, however the
moment the Commonwealth commenced to legislate on a subject matter then that was the end for
the States to do so. And it is totally irrelevant if the Commonwealth commenced to legislate on a
subject matter and subsequently late abolished the legislation as once the Commonwealth
commenced to legislate then it became an exclusive legislative power and our constitution
doesn’t allow for a reversal of legislative powers back to the States.
Therefore the issue that is relevant is that where the Commonwealth has for long legislated as to
weight and measurers then the States no longer has this legislative powers. It means that all the
States can do is to pursue the commonwealth to legislate for a particular issue, such as speed
cameras, etc, and to certify them, as without the Commonwealth doing so there is simply no
valid usage for them and any State legislation to the contrary is NULL AND VOID Ab Initio.
Hansard 2-2-1898 Constitution Convention Debates
QUOTE Mr. DEAKIN (Victoria).-
The record of these debates may fairly be expected to be widely read, and the observations to which I
allude might otherwise lead to a certain amount of misconception.
END QUOTE
Mr. BARTON (New South Wales).-If this is left as an exclusive power the laws of the states will
nevertheless remain in force under clause 100.
Mr. BARTON.-Not after this power of legislation comes into force. Their existing laws will, however,
remain. If this is exclusive they can make no new laws, but the necessity of making these new laws will be
all the more forced on the Commonwealth.
END QUOTE
My only desire is to give power to the Federal Parliament to achieve a scheme for old-age pensions if it be
practicable, and if the people require it. No power would be taken away from the states. The sub-section
would not interfere with the right of any state to act in the meantime until the Federal Parliament took
the matter in hand.
END QUOTE
Sir GEORGE TURNER.-If it does not exercise it can the state exercise it?
Mr. BARTON.-Once the Commonwealth legislates with reference to the question of aliens and
immigration, its legislation displaces the state law.
END QUOTE
Mr. GLYNN (South Australia).-I desire to call the attention of the leader of the Convention to an
apparent vagueness in the word "exclusive," to which reference has not yet been made. The word
"exclusive," no matter at what time the power arises, whether on the coming into being of the
Commonwealth, or the exercise of the power by the Federal Parliament, may mean, and I believe does
mean, that the power of the state to legislate ceases. On the question of whether the exclusive power
under this provision comes into being with the establishment of the Commonwealth, I would call the
attention of the leader of the Convention to clause 84. That clause seems to indicate that this exclusive
power arises the moment an Act is passed. It speaks of the exclusive power of enforcing customs duties
being vested in the Federal Parliament, but the second paragraph says-
But this exclusive power shall not come into force until uniform duties of customs have been imposed
by the Parliament.
It would appear that without that limitation the exclusive power would come into force at once, and the
position would be as stated by the Victorian representatives. If you pass this clause as it [start page 255]
stands the state could no longer legislate with regard to Chinese.
Mr. BARTON.-If the exclusive power is given without any restriction, I think it would arise immediately
on the establishment of the Commonwealth.
END QUOTE
"... But … in the interpretation of the Constitution the connotation or connotations of its words should
remain constant. We are not to give words a meaning different from any meaning which they could have
borne in 1900. Law is to be accommodated to changing facts. It is not to be changed as language changes.
"
Windeyer J (Ex parte Professional Engineers' Association)
Ordinary persons who complain to the Road Safety Camera Commissioner but find they do not
obtain a neutral consideration by the Road Safety Camera Commissioner because he fails to
understand the constitutional context applicable then the Road Safety Camera Commissioner is
as much part of the gigantic gross injustice inflicted upon motorist as those who may conspire to
do so.
As such, the motorist who were fined for such as in the above example allegedly speeding 77
km/h in a 40 km/h zone may in fact legally not have been doing so as the speed detection
cameras if not certified by the Commonwealth could not be relied upon as providing credible
evidence. Likewise did the Commonwealth certify the camera at the location of its
usage/position? After all if there was a gantry that was moving in the wind then this could have
affected the proper use of the cameras
Even the cameras used at toll ways to record an alleged offender on a toll way should only be
permitted to be used if the camera concerned was certified by the Commonwealth both as a
bench testing and at its location being used, subject to weather conditions, etc.
I not long ago was issued with an Infringement Notice regarding a toll road. There was
absolutely no doubt I was driving on a toll road and had not any responder and neither paid for
doing so. I wrote in that I requested the toll operators to pay me $100 for causing me having to
drive around contrary to my intention having blocked of the exit without proper warnings and by
this I had no choice but to drive on the freeway until the next exist. The company withdrew its
Infringement Notice (didn’t compensate me) as it was well aware it had failed to put up proper
signage, which in fact is did days later.
This underlines that even if one allegedly violates a law it nevertheless might not be intended and
the onus is upon the accuser to prove this.
The problem is we have what is called the Infringement Court system which in my view are the
unconstitutional STAR CHAMBER COURT/KANGAROO COURT systems.
There was this NSW incident where reportedly some 2,000 motorist of NSW were wrongly
issued Infringement Notices by CityLink by an error of it to get into the wrong data base.
As for the Infringement court as it fails to provide for an accused to be present and the infiormer
can alter an Infringement Notice without proper notification to the accused it means gthe
Infringement Court fails to be an impartial administration of justice and hence unconstitutionasl.
Hansard 8-2-1898 Constitution Convention Debates
QUOTE
Mr. OCONNOR.-No, it would not; and, as an honorable member reminds me, there is a decision on the
point. All that is intended is that there shall be some process of law by which the parties accused must be
heard.
END QUOTE
Infringement Courts simply do not provide this opportunity to both sides. It is irrelevant that an
accused may choose to litigate in another court venue as it is up to the prosecutor to do so. If an
accused elect to go to court the accused may be deemed to have given up his NO CASE TO
ANSWER and/or OBJECTION TO JURISDICTION defence! I had this when I filed an appeal
the trail judge commented that by filing an appeal I gave the court jurisdiction regardless I had
from onset objected to the jurisdiction of the lower court. Obviously, the trail judge was wrong
as once one make an OBJECTION TO JURISDICTION then all and any proceedings are NULL
AND VOID unless and until if ever at all the Court dismissed the OBJECTION TO
JURISDICTION. An appeal against a judgment that was handed down without invoking
jurisdiction then remains to be a valid appeal against the OB JECTION TO JURISDICTION and
the Appeal Court could then only deal with if the lower court validly invoked jurisdiction and
failing this to have eventuated has to set aside any judgment issued without invoking jurisdiction.
There are obviously numerous other issues such as for example are parking meters certified by
the Commonwealth? Are road parking sensors certified by the
Commonwealth both as a bench test and at its location.
Mr Simon McMillan, Chief Executive Officer (Banyule City Council) 4-9-2008
http://www.banyule.vic.gov.au Fax 94991391
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Cc; Cr Wayne Phillips (Mayor) & other councillors (Banyule City Council)
.
Ref; purported traffic/parking violation. Your ref BS30/01/004 Doc Id 480529
. AND TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN
Sir,
Thank you for the 29 August 2008 response via Mr David Clarkson Municipal Laws
Coordinator albeit I do not agree with the content thereof in general.
END QUOTE 4-9-2008 COMPLAINT
I now quote my 18-11-2008 third complaint;
QUOTE 18-11-2008 COMPLAINT
By way of 29 August 2008 response Mr David Clarkson Municipal Laws Coordinator sought to
justify that
END QUOTE 4-9-2008 CORRESPONDENCE
The reporting officer has both recorded and advised me that the thread of your tyre was
marked at 11.55am and the vehicle reported at 2.24pm after the officer determined that the
vehicle had not moved within this time frame.
END QUOTE 4-9-2008 CORRESPONDENCE
Before embarking upon the next issue of time calculations I must make it very clear that I use the
calculations of how I was taught in first grade of primary school when growing up in The
Netherlands and perhaps Banyule City Council may wish to enlighten me that my kind of time
calculations is incorrect as to Australian standards, but I doubt Banyule City Council will
succeed in this.
I also noted that you refer to the time frame of 11.55 to 2.24 pm now lets see what 3 hour time
frame this includes;
I for one welcome any feedback based upon actual constitutional details of anyone who seeks to
argue against my set out in a proper and intelligent manner
This correspondence is not intended and neither must be perceived to state all issues/details.
Awaiting your response, G. H. Schorel-Hlavka O.W.B. (Gerrit)
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