TO: ADMINISTRATION 10-17-62 it ”7 ‘This investigation made as requested in your memo of 10-3-62 to ‘> Denver and Seattle Districts obers Hingare, has 3 devices (2 broken - X 1 good), They were manufactGred In Tucson, .Atizoha, and brought here by him, He refused some information and declined details on his split with Hubbard, Although he denies it, evidently he is still practicing Scientology. He states devices are presently being imported from England, but that he has nothing to do with it. Uf niet IySpector, ATIN: DIVISION OF REGULATORY MANAGEMENT eke os DIRECTOR, DENVER-DISTRICT 10-9-62 FROM: Lewis W. Seaman 4, non wubbard Hubbard Communication Office SUBJECT: Hubbard, E-Meter Ae ‘The Founding Church of Scientology Academy of Scientology ‘The Distribution Center Hubbard Guidance Center Personal Efficiency Foundation 1812 19th Street, N.W. Washington, D.C, Hubbard Association of Scientologists International Los Angeles and Washington, DC. tobert wingace W 1610 Carr Street evood, Colorado NY Lakewood, Colorad ax x As directed by Bureau of Enforcement memo dated 10-3-62, I y, Mr. Robert E. Wingate to determine if he is currently manufacturing’ the E-Meter. fof ater & af ad) orDIRECTOR, DENVER DISTRICT Hubbard, E-Meter 10-9-62 Pg. 2 Mr, Wingate stated he ceased the manufacture of the E-Meter in 1959, about six months after an E-Meter was picked up by a FDA inspector and sent to Los Angeles or San Francisco for examination. He resided at 1439 E. Hendrich Drive, Tucson, Arizona, at that time. He stopped making the device over a disagreement with Hubbard who controls the patent rights, Hubbard wanted Wingate to ship the device to England, and Wingate could not or would not do it. Mr. Wingate stated he has one device in working order and two broken devices. ‘The working device was in his office desk drawer. The device had no serial or other identifying numbers. It is labeled in part “Hubbard Electrometer for use in Scientological Clearing”. He stated that Hubbard is now manufacturing and importing the devices from London, England. They have to be purchased from the two schools, “dubbard's Association of Scientologists International", one in Los Angeles, California and one in Washington, D.C. Wingate says he no longer works as a scientologist, but later stated he is the local "Kingpin". There are supposed to be a number of scientologiste in the Denver area, None have E-Meters imported from England. Names of other scientologists were refused. The devices in Wingate's possession were manufactured by him and brought from Arizona to Denver by him. Mr. Wingate, throughout interview, refused specific information, such as the details of the disagreement between him and Hubbard. Names of other scientologists, what his current business is if he is not practicing. scientology. Each refusal was preceded by the statement “If I knew what you wanted", Documentary sample of Wingate's devices and possibly other devices can be collected if needed. L, W, Seamannv < S OPMONMAL FORK NO. 10 os c “foro tbe &, TS UNITED SraTES GOVERNMENT wl | “4 ell >, a.emorandum Aus 2 ies | TO ‘BUREAU OF ENFORCEMENT DATE: 7/30/63 Attention Division of Regulatory Management Re: L. Ron Hubbard The Founding Church of Scientology Washington 25, D. Cc. FROM : Denver D; BES WW sunject: Hubbard E Meter 4/— OFS Ke rai es Robert & Evelyn Wingate N 2540 Teller Court Denver, Colorado. No: 2380775 On 7/9/63, Wes; Evelyn Wingate) wife of~Robert Wingate y former want cfaeturer’ of ‘the Hubbard B. MeterA(see Inspector Seanaa’s 1079/62~£0r=; q warded™to DAM on 10/17/62) phoned the Denver District and request’an inter “view with District Director Alfend. On 7/11/63 she came to the Denver Distfict office and was interviewed by District Director Alfend and Chief Inspector Cox. Mrs. Wingate>indicated that she was having marital problems, that she was Giaid that ber husbend may become engrossed in L. Ron Hubbard's Founding Church of Scientology again and théif pseudo religious teachings have’ no morals or ethics which could only cause more problems for her and her husband, f figs. Bvelyn Wingaté>stated thet her husband made the Hubbard E, Meter an October, 1958 to March of 1960; that he produced approximately 300 unite | / all of which were sold in the United States, mostly to individual meter sold for $76.50 or 989.50 each and 10% of each sale went to L. Ron Hubbard; that her husband has had nothing to do with the manufacture and distribution or sale of any E. Meters since March of 1960. She stated that at the present time, there were mectings one night gach week of The Founding Church of Scientology at Gohn and Mildred Galuska)) 13904 West 21st Avenue, Golden, Colorado,) that(Mirs. Phyllis Moore, 8060 West) C38th Avenue, Wheatridge, Colorado,),rune (the Piret Church of Science fron? her home, that /fhe Firet Church of Sciencejis a front name for The Founding Church of Scientology and that(Mrs. Moore)has completed several of the courses offered by L. Ron Hubbard and his Church of Founding Scientology and is now known ‘everend Moore.) She stated that L. Ron Hubbard has not been in the United States since January of 1962; that he remains in England except for an occasional vaste to the United States. That L. Ron Hubbard, Jr., son of the founder, lives at 6231 Palm Avenue, Bell, California and in years past has been a leader in The Founding Church ‘of Scientology on the West Coast, however, in the past few years he has had a fall- ing out with his father and although evidently continuing in the work becau: of the financial return he is no longer closely associated with his father as he has been in the past.“2 Bureau of Enforcement 7/30/63 Gice, Wingat® brought with her a handwritten list of persons presently or formerly engaged in promotion of the E-Meter, photocopies of this list are attached, and designated list A. She had these comments pertaining to various names on this list; Gladys Carlson, 2424 Julian Street, Denver, Colorado;) ha: had a falling out with L. Ron Hubbard and The Church of Founding | Scientology and is very bitter against both at the present time. Girs. Carlsormay be able to supply us with all of the up-to-date! literature and materials and so-forth distributed by L. Ron 7 Hubbard or his Church. If approached properly, she would probably furnish this information to the Food and Drug Administration, 8. Jean Thomason, Voris, 1407 E. 11 Avenue, Denver, Colorado,Jwas ‘formerly head) of L. Ron Hubbard's school inGondon,) She, too, has become disillusioned with L. Ron Hubbard and may be able to give ua some help. Geta Pastel, 16545 Oakfield, Detroit 35, Michigalyjhas been badly | mistreated by members of L. Ron Hubbard's organization. (She report- edly was drugged and forced to make out a new will leaving all her property and belongings to the L. Ron Hubbard Foundation. She report- edly is very bitter towards the L. Ron Hubbard organization. Maxine Farnum, 1166 Carnegie, Tucson, Arizona, wrote a book titled "Promiscuity for Housewife" from a Scientological viewpoint. Mre. Wingate stated that this book was widely read among menbers of L, Ron Hubbard's organization; that the teachings of L. Ron Hubbard and his Founding Church of Scientology encourages promiscuity among married couples. Mrs. Wingate had no comment regarding Mildred Roach, Sylvan Stein, and Ray and Pamela Kemp, the other three names on this sheet. Girs. WingateJbrought with her approximately 20 issues of the pamphlet “Ability, Freedom of Science by L. Ron Hubbard"; the book "Dianetics, the ori- ginal thesis by L. Ron Hubbard"; approximately 50 leaflets and folders from Hubbard Communications Office,.St. Hill Manor Eset. Grinstead, Sussex, plus several miscellaneous pieces of literature. Airs. Wingate also brought eight magnetic recording tapes made by L. Ron Hubbard in Phoenix, Arizona, during his work there in 1954, These eight tapes were all in boxes. She brought one additional tape in a cellophane bag vhich is known as the "miracle" tape, also made by L. Ron Hubbard in Phoenix, in 1954. ‘8. Wingat@) stated that all E-Meters are now produced in England. She dos know how they get in the United States or how many get in, the extent or distribution or anything else about them. She stated that the= Bureau of Enforcement 7/30/63 remainder of the E-Neters manufactured by Ray in Portland, Oregon, maybe in the hands of one Lorraine Harr, Portland, Oregon, and that Mrs. Harr maybe felling the rest of these machines. However, she does not know this and this 8 a guess on her part. She stated that (John Kenworthy, Philadelphia, Penna. Jaddrees unknown to(iirs. Wingate, has had personal contact with many close members of L, Ron Hubbard's staff and that rumors are that he hac had a falling out with Hubbard; that he may also be @ source of information, That L. Ron Hubbard is now offering a course in England leading to a Doctorate degree in Scientology at a price of $800 each. ‘This was the extent of the information supplied by(firs. Wingaté) she stated that she would be glad to help us in any way that she could; she stated that she did not want the literature or the tapes, and that we could have them; that she was going to throw them out anyway. We will hold the literature and the tapes here at Denver District and no investigations will be made unless you advise us to do so. Additional in- formation on the E-Meter and L. Ron Hubbard were forwarded you in memos of June 21, 1963 and May 25, 1963. W~, JJC/ep JO} Chief Inafector Enclosure: List of names and cay ee