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[–] TomorrowMay [score hidden] 5 hours ago
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[–] drumstyx [score hidden] 35 minutes ago
This makes me sick I can talk numbers Canadian subreddit network
about houses and condos all day (not that A complete lis ng can be found here.
I'm ok with the prices in southern Ontario),
but when we talk about 10s of thousands Provinces
for something as mundane as a parking
spot, my stomach churns and I want
absolutely nothing to do with an
environment where that happens. I get the
economics of it, I just don't want to
associate with it. Fuck. Toronto.
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Well, they probably want to experience what they experienced as kids, and space was more
plentiful (and cheaper) once upon a time.
If designed right, though, you can have high density housing and a perfectly fun and nice
childhood. Greener cities with more shared recreational space (e.g., public parks) help. It works
well in some cities.
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in europe apartment blocks are much more amenable to families. 2 and 3 bedroom condos are
commonplace. usually they have L shaped configurations in low rise blocks, so you have a
separation of living and sleeping space. there's a courtyard (with planting plots even) for
young kids to play. usually there's some common areas near the roof or in the basement.
here we have skyscrapers that are great for boomers and/or DINK, and highly undesirable
during family years.
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In Canada, architects don't see the need to have two 6 foot walls facing each other
because everyone watches TV with their neck cranked 90 degrees to the left or right, and
800 square feet is perfect for a two bedroom layout because bedside tables and queen size
beds and up are so passé.
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And, some of the complaints like, "noisy neighbors" or "lack of outdoor space for
children and/or pets" is a developer and government problem.
The developers are developing for profit. If they can save some costs by not sound
proofing, they will, even if it creates a better end product and will attract good tenants.
Same goes for outdoor recreational spaces. The government could rectify this by
mandating adequate minimum levels of sound isolation, as well as mandating a certain
"square footage" of outdoor recreational spaces based on the number of units in a
building.
Another way to reduce the public expenditure for parks and green spaces would to be
to add "mandatory green/recreational space" be included in any type of construction
development. "Want to build and maintain 100 car surface parking lot? Sure, so long
as you build and maintain an equivalently large recreational space. You can reduce the
amount to Green space you will be responsible for by creating vertical or underground
parking structures, though there should still be a requirement in these cases too, just
less onerous.
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Funny enough, I studied the building code and all of what you mentioned does
exist to a certain degree! Likely not to the same extent as you would personally
like, but it is a trade off. Every time a requirement like that is added, places get
more expensive, and the building code has to be applied evenly to all buildings of
that type. So if a builder has a break even sale price of $400,000 per unit in order
to meet all requirements. They’re going to build it somewhere where they can get
their money’s worth, and not at Jane and finch, even though there’s demand there
as well. This is part of the reason why housing has become so expensive in
Toronto.
TLDR: consistently increasing building code requirements are bad for poor people.
Especially when there’s high demand over a large region.
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My wife and I would love to start a family in a condo. The issue here in Ottawa is that to buy a
condo that meets our space needs we're either buying an older condo that is not worth
upgrading or spending more than a single family home costs.
A three bed, two bath condo at 1600-1800 sq.ft shouldn't be a rarity when it comes to what's
available.
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If we want small condos, then they're even cheaper. 2 bed 1 bath condos can be half
as expensive as houses.
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Thanks for the info. Although there are a few important points that I think this
misses.
First, the article (and OP's comment) are referring to "condos" as high-rises (i.e.
apartment style) in the city centre. They're not really talking about rowhouses that
have condo fees.
Second, there are wild variances neighbourhood to neighbourhood. A fair
comparison requires properties in the same area. It's not uncommon to see houses
(semi-detached at least) selling for similar prices to smaller units in nearby condo
towers.
Example: Hintonburg / Little Italy area houses at $489k and $599k vs nearby
condos at $465k to $625k. The condos look smaller and the prices also don't
include condo fees, which have their own issues.
Anecdotally, when I was looking to buy, the condos I could get for the price I
ultimately paid for my house would have been much smaller.
So when OP says that condos cost more than a single family home, it's not correct
100% of the time but it's not uncommon to see - especially when comparing
similar sized units in the same area.
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Tokyo has no housing space but the public parks are top notch for families and young people
to do whatever from dinner to violin practice
But it could be a cultural thing too
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One of the nicest things that I observed in Japan was the amount of little kids playing
outside and going to school by themselves, even in Tokyo. We could have that here,
Canada is pretty safe - it's probably a cultural thing.
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We did have that when I was a kid in the late 70s-early 80s. I think parents started to
get nervous about unsupervised kids in the 90s. It could change again.
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no, its because the Japanese give their children a lot more agency and respect
their abilities.
we treat our children like functioning retards in the west.
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And as a result, most kids turn out like functioning retards because they have
no respect for authority or autonomy.
Kids will always be kids, but I have an inkling that Japanese children respect
their teachers, policemen, and parents a lot more than here.
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I was taking the ttc to school when I 10. It's safe but parents these days worry too
much.
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Green space is fine. However, the playing fields and playgrounds in our community are empty
most of the time. I rarely see kids out playing.
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There's probably some bias going on here. You're not a kid so you don't really know where
the kids are playing. I remember when I moved to my community I thought it was
absolutely dead and that all the parks were empty, until I went for a jog and ran along the
pathways and saw tons of kids playing and riding their bikes.
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I think this is part of the problem even if you were okay with condos most of them aren't
geared for family use anyways unless you're way in the upper range of pricing.
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It's not even an issue of the backyard or quiet street. There are almost no options to have 3 or
more bedrooms in a condo. If they exist they are (or can be) more expensive per unit + condo
fees compared to its low-density counterpart. It's not something an average family could afford.
In my city there are tons of condo townhomes where the fees cover lawn maintenance and snow
removal (and the like). I'm an able bodied person, and would rather do that myself instead of
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paying an additional $300 towards that service. So yea, I'm not interested in raising a family in
condo if I'm spending more for the unit.
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The other posts are correct but there is another aspect that they aren't considering: most
building code requires bedrooms to have windows (fire code) and it's REALLY hard to design a
condo with 3 bedroom windows that have windows in other rooms, that aren't 1500 sq feet -
making them way out of range for most buyers. If fire code could be amended to recognize
two egress points that don't lead outdoors, three bedroom condos would be MUCH easier to
come by, as they could be created in 800-1000 sq ft.
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I'm actually okay with the idea. I don't intend on having more than one - and maybe my opinion
would change after I had a child. But I'd rather live in a city where they can walk places, take
transit, and have things like museums to visit, libraries, parks to play in.
I grew up in the sticks - huge backyard and a quiet street - but we spent ages in the car driving
everywhere because there was nothing nearby. You couldn't walk to friends' houses, you couldn't
walk to school, library, playground, grocery stores. Nothing was nearby at all and with zero transit
options, I was hugely dependent on getting rides from my parents until I turned 17 and could
drive by myself - and even then I needed to borrow the car!
It's a trade off but a condo is a slightly-more-affordable way to live in a city.
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I have so many fond memories when I lived in the suburbs of walking or biking to my friend's
places and hanging out and playing. Or going to the library, or parks, or the mall. Or playing
outside and making new friends with some of the surrounding neighborhood kids.
Then I moved to the sticks and it's a completely different experience. You explained it exactly
right, there was nothing around, had to get rides to go anywhere and that alone would take a
chunk of time. If you wanted to visit a friend after school you had to make sure someone could
pick you up and give you a ride later. No more spontaneously visiting friends to see if they can
come out to play, everything became planned ahead and you were always dependent on
parents willing to drive you.
There's also the idea of shared interests, when I was a kid in the suburbs I got really into
computers and video games and programming, and there was a group of 10 or so other kids
with very similar interests that we could bond over and share our experiences with and grow
and learn more. In the sticks there was only 1 other kid in my year that had anything close to
a shared interest in computers.
Maybe with self-driving cars they will hit a point where the distance doesn't matter nearly as
much in 2-10 years, but if I had a kid in school today I'd want them to live near other kids
their age.
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[–] ArtHistoryBarista [score hidden] 1 hour ago
Yeah, I remember being really frustrated at the lack of options. The nearest cinema was a
two-room theatre a good 25-30 minute drive from our house and they only brought in
about one new movie a month and would run the film into the ground and then get a new
picture. And they made the WORST choices - they brought in Antz but not A Bug's Life for
crying out loud.
We weren't outdoorsy people (my sister is somehow allergic to most forms of plant-life -
touching grass makes the woman break out in hives) and that's pretty much all there was
to do.
Were pretty whiny kids as a result - my mother tried to ban the word 'bored' one summer.
My grandmother taught us the word 'ennui' and we drove her nuts with that instead.
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Ya don't leave your condo unlocked. Drunk people can accidently walk in thinking it's their unit.
(I've done it twice)
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Sure, and my parents house was burglarized three times in five years in a reallllly nice suburb
of Edmonton in the 1990s.
I remember coming home and finding out they'd taken EVEN my big sister's piggy bank. But
not my matching one because I had already emptied it to buy a O'Henry bar. Really upset me
because they were a set.
Crime exists everywhere. Condos don't necessarily equate to crime and suburban housing
doesn't always equate to safety.
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100%
This is a total no-brainer
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83 per cent of young families would buy a detached home as opposed to any other type of housing.
Only 5 per cent prefer condos.
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Shit, my fiancee and I would settle for townhomes at this point lol
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If money was not an issue. The thing is space in a city is a finite resource and it comes at a
premium if you live closer to downtown. As with any finite resource it's about supply and demand.
With little supply and lots of demand prices invariably go up.
And, as a corollary of that, it means it is impossible for everyone who wants one to have a single
bedroom house close to downtown that is affordable. You have to make trade-offs
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The rest of the people in the condo aren't thrilled at the idea of listening to a newborn either
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Edit: Also for more context my wife & I are planning on having children in our current 2 bedroom older
apartment, because 900 sq. ft. isn't all that bad for raising a family in. It won't work forever because
we're planning to have 2 and we want our kids to have their own bedrooms when they're teenagers,
but that still gives us years of raising a family in a perfectly reasonably sized apartment.
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I have a 3 bed, 1 bath, 870 square foot house and an 8 month old baby. We're planning on having
a second kid in the nearish future. My great grandmother raised 3 teenagers in a house very
similar to ours, right around the corner.
It's not nearly so bad as people make it out to be! With clever use of storage space and minimizing
the junk you keep around, you don't need a huge house to raise kids. It's actually great being in a
small house because it's easier to keep clean.
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Our house feels like the TARDIS at times. It's one of those teeny one story rowhouses with
a window on either side of the front door where you wonder how it could even be divided
into rooms. We're lucky we've got 9 foot ceilings or it would be downright claustrophobic.
We do have some rooms that are surprisingly good sized, though!
Front hall 12x3 Dining room 11x12 Living room 15x12 (includes hallway) Bedroom 1
10x10 Bathroom 6x8 Bedroom 2 8x8 Kitchen 13x13 (Yay!) Bedroom 3 10x10
All approximate, of course. I guess I kind of cheated because there's also a basement,
maybe 10x20, that's really more of a crawlspace (parts of it are still dirt) that we use for
storage and laundry.
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Yeah I think a lot of the difference is just "good use of storage", "non-wasteful square footage"
and a willingness to pitch things you don't need. I grew up in a house & for much of my
childhood huge chunks of the basement were wasted space. We have childhood toys hanging
around for years after my brother & I were too old for them. Lots of space just seems to lead
to hoarding of stuff longer than necessary.
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because 900 sq. ft. isn't all that bad for raising a family in
It's interesting to see differences in position on this. I live in a house with about 1500sqft of
finished space and the prospect of adding a kid to that leaves me feeling cramped just thinking
about it
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[–] Tumdace [score hidden] 4 hours ago
Thats my wife and I right now.
We went from a cramped 500 sq ft 1 bdr apartment to a 1200-1300 sq ft 3bdr townhome.
We are expecting a kid in March, and we have one of the bedrooms set aside as the baby's
room, the master is obviously ours, and the 3rd bedroom is our computer/crafts room.
Obviously when we have our 2nd child, that bedroom is going to have to be cleared out for our
first child. So now where does all our stuff go lol? I dont want to have to go back to cramped
living again so it might end up that we throw stuff out and live a more frugal life.
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As a father of two I can say that once you have kids "your stuff" really doesn't exist. It's
their stuff, all over the place. Our kids are young (3 and 5) so right now they take up most
of our time and the space in the house. I expect that will one day change.
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I hear you. The concept of reshuffling and resquishing everything is extremely unpalatable.
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How much space do you use on an everyday basis? Do you live alone or with a partner? That
just seems insane to me, 1500 sqft is enough room for a family of 4 easily.
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It's less about the space and more about it's usage. It's a 2+1 bedroom. There's the
master and another bedroom upstairs, and rec / office space in the basemen. I work from
home so I need the office space to remain as such. That leaves one extra bedroom which
then has to pull double duty as a spare room / kids room. So if someone needs to stay in
the spare room, where does the kid go? It could definitely work for a little while, but not
indefinitely.
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Spare bedrooms seem very strange to me. For the handful of nights a year someone
might stay over you are dedicating 1/2 of your sleeping space. Everyone's use case is
different though.
I think people are used to have extra space for "just in case" but you pay for it year
round. In the house I grew up in probably 1/4 of the space was just wasted and used 2
times a year. I live in a much smaller house but the living areas (2 bedroom, office and
living/kitchen/dining room) are used daily.
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Spare bedrooms seem very strange to me. For the handful of nights a year
someone might stay over you are dedicating 1/2 of your sleeping space.
I'm the same. Personally, it seems wasteful to spend (lots of) more money on a
larger house (i.e. to get an extra room) and on all the furniture that goes in it, for
something that will sit empty and get no use 99% of the time.
Although I absolutely understand that it's nicer to have family stay with you rather
than at a hotel. It seems a pullout sofa or hideaway bed of some sort is a better
solution
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How about a pull out couch in the living area for the passing friend who may need a
bed? That’s what most people who are strapped for space do...
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Working from home changes the dynamic completely and should probably have been a
disclaimer in your post. Plus acting like you're 'cramped' because you'd have to give a
spare room to a kid seems very 'first world problems' to me.
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But it's not cramped. You can't occupy all of 1500sqft at once. Big houses with 2 living rooms
and 2 dining areas plus a breakfast nook for 3 or 4 people is too much. Unless you're rich and
want the luxury, there's no need for McMansions.
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1050 square foot, 2 bed 2 bath apartment here. We've got one kid so far, my wife wants a
second but I feel like it could get very cramped very quickly.
If we were only having one I'd have no problem staying here - only real issue is the laundry
facilities are 19 floors down - so laundry isn't fun, but other than that the building is clean and
nice.
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I could not imagine rasing our three kids in a condo. They're so loud.
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That's another issue with modern condos, poor sound isolation. My older apartment building I
never hear any neighbours because we've got a reasonable amount of concrete between units.
Pretty much the only time you hear anything in our building is when people are in the
hallways, because the sound can get through the door but not the walls.
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I had my first in a 900ft apartment. It was fine. Once we had 2 that changed completely though.
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Yup, there was even an article I read once that explained there’s been a boom in breeding micro
sized dogs because it’s more feasible for the condos. Imagine using a Murphy bed that converts to
a kitchen table, having a tea cup bred dog that lives half its normal life span because of health
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complications from being bred so small, and sharing a BBQ on a rooftop patio with 30 other
people. While paying monthly maintenance fees. What a life.
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Toronto?
Lol
1 hour outside of Toronto you're looking at 500k minimum to be above garbage, which
exponentially increases if you want something remotely "new" (not really new).
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I'm honestly speechless, is it that hard to imagine something outside the GTA? You
have an entire country.
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I'm not trying to come off flippant here but; there are hundreds of small towns
with too many people and too little work out there. I come from B.C. so I know
that all too well. Industries that attracted people to these communities to raise a
family have all but dried up as we shift toward a service economy. Now you have
towns of 2500 with full time work enough for 1500, and part time jobs making up
the rest. Things aren't much better in the small towns. Things aren't much better
outside of the GFA and GVRD. Its just that the good paying jobs landed there so
obviously they'll become a magnet for people.
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I already own a home, I'm just not delusional and acting like there isn't a problem
in Ontario. "Fuck you, got mine" isn't sustainable, you should try something else.
Your logical approach is that 20 somethings move out of their province for home
ownership. Lol
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Jobs are a big part of this, most Canadians these days have a bachelors or are
working in industries that only exist in cities. If businesses were willing to branch
out from these hubs sure but why would they?
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The frontier is no place for a young family, who even knows what lies beyond the
metro limit?
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Here be dragons
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left the GTA after 30 years, born and raised in Mississauga - best thing I ever did. I
know jobs are harder to come by, even in the rest of Southern Ontario by
comparison, but it's possible.
People often forget, even if you see smaller numbers on a job offer, a cheaper cost
of living from everything from insurance to commute time/gas can actually mean
more take home pay at the end of the month.
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You know, if they would just buckle down, work hard, and stop spending money on luxuries like
brunch and public transportation, then they could pull themselves up by their boot straps! /s
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How can you possibly expect to make more than 19.50 an hour with a university degree?
Entitled brats.
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They just want children for the baby bonus cheques anyway.
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Don't let them in on the fact that we combined breakfast and lunch to save money.
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When you get that talk, just look at them with a curious face and say what they did sounds
very smart, and ask if they would be interested in helping you make a similar financial plan. If
they agree, bring them a computer as the first step would be finding a house that you can buy
in the city right now, which could be reasonably mortgaged with a $30k salary. The next step
would be asking them if they are currently hiring in their company and whether it's possible or
not to talk to an actual person right now who had been promoted to management level
sometime during the last 2 years so you can have a good idea of what to expect and how to
prepare yourself.
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Or you know, don't bother with any of that and just remove the person from your life and carry
on, depending on what works I guess.
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Housing is over 10 times more expensive than it was a generation ago AFTER factoring in inflation but
yeah we are entitled...
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Damn, what kind of moneybags are raising families at all, let alone in houses?
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House? You were lucky to have a house! We used to live in one room, all hundred and twenty-six
of us, no furniture. Half the floor was missing; we were all huddled together in one corner for fear
of falling!
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I imagine that the half of the floor that was still there went uphill both ways?
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A room!? Why I would have killed for a simple room! When I was a lad me and my forty-five
siblings lived in a hole by the motorway with a bucket for a privy! And we were lucky to have
that bucket! And room with a wall, well aren't you the entitled one!
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You entitled little shit. You had a WHOLE bucket! My seventy-eight and a half siblings had
to fight for warmth and cover under a single cheeseburger wrapper! We don't even have
that wrapper anymore, it disintegrated in the rain years ago!
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That got me. I'm imagining condos built out of the old Styrofoam burger conatiners
from McD's now. With coffee spoon railings.
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Foreign investors: "Pocketlint only?, are you SURE you want to sell your ancestors' home to me
only at FMV?! Well ok, Thanks!"
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Is anyone surprised? I think most people, even without kids would prefer a house. There’s likely a
minority of people that do prefer a condo (no yard work, shoveling, etc). Condos are miserable for a
lot of people. There is always a Neighbour that blares music excessively loud or fights with their
significant other ever day. But a house isn’t a financial option for most people.
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unless you can get a detached house, you're going to have similar problems (although not as
much) with a row house, semi, townhouse.
I personally prefer a condo like you mentioned, i don't have to do anything. The problem is there
aren't big enough condos and some maintenance fee is crazy.
The backyard i don't care about, 5-10 mins walk there is a park.
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The noise thing is something I’ve never been able to figure out. But it seems like such a
universal issue. People just don’t seem to care if they are disturbing everyone around them. If
you want to listen to loud music, wear headphones. That’s what I do so I don’t bother anyone.
Maybe I’m getting old. I don’t know.
If you have time, the park is definitely a better option. In those moments when you are too
busy cleaning or cooking to take your kids, having an option to play close by would seem to be
very desirable. For older kids, it’s probably not a necessary, as they can go by themselves. I
suspect that’s the big motivation.
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People just don’t seem to care if they are disturbing everyone around them.
Having experienced similar issues in my previous condo, I will say that the people who
typically do this are naturally selfish, and/or oblivious to their surroundings. Teenagers and
young adults fit that stereotype well.
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Less chance for that in a townhouse, as usually nobody lives above or below you (unless
basement is rented out), and the entrances aren't shared usually.
I moved from an apartment to a townhouse, and while the apartment was pretty sound proof,
open a window and you can hear anyone plain as day, or you could hear people in the hall
pretty easily.
I haven't heard a single noise from another unit at my townhome.
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In the second largest country in the world is it too much to ask for a backyard?
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The size of the country is meaningless in this conversation when humans congregate in large cities
and 90% of our population is along the U.S. border. If you want to move to Iqaluit though and
build a house for yourself, be my guest!
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like road congestion, and overflowing schools. I would peg that at populations between
20,000-150,000. It might be kind of relative and my own personal experience is biasing my
opinions here. But I do think with a country such as ours, we really needn't be cramping
ourselves in these big cities. Personally I still choose to live in a small city with a population
around 30,000. I don't deal with traffic issues or crime, my neighbors are extremely friendly
and approachable, it's what living in a community is supposed to be like IMO. Not living in a
condo in a city, where I lock my door and put in my headphones block out all the noise from
traffic and sirens.
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I think the biggest reason why Canadians congregate near the border is two fold:
1. Poor transportation options. We have no cross country controlled access highways like
most countries. No reliable cross country passenger rail and expensive air travel.
2. Bad weather. Only small parts of this country are hospitable for most of the year. Sure
people can live in the north but there are few avenues for affordable agriculture, making
the entire idea pointless.
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you're missing the controlled access part (ex: 401). Lots of the TCH is still 2-lane road.
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[–] kab0b87 [score hidden] 5 hours ago
I've Driven ~75 percent of the Trans canada, Lots of those places do not have near
the amount of traffic to require Full controlled access. (see basically all of
saskatchewan, outside of Saskatoon and Regina)
We have a highway system that reaches Coast to Coast East and west, and an
ancillary highway system that reaches 1500+ kms north of the Canada/US Border
The Location of the transcanada may play a part of where people live, but a lack of
Controlled access highways don't simply because there wouldn't be enough traffic
to justify it.
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And it's not like they plow and salt the whole thing in the winter either.
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It's still completely irrelevant to the problem. There are vast vast swaths of 4-lane
401 an hour outside of the GTA, with nothing around them.
Our problem is not caused by a lack of a cross-country expressway. At all.
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Most of the Trans Canada Highway isn’t controlled-access. And if part of the highway is
shut down for any reason, especially in rural areas, there’s usually no practical detour
(the Nipigon and Latchford bridges are two incidents I remember in my lifetime).
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My favoruite part is the obvious ferries required for all the islands off the west coast.
Victoria is the capital of BC and you're still paying $150 minimum to get on and off
Vancouver Island, local or not (there's no discount for residents).
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I think the reasons are rather that cities are formed by people following the money rather
than the other way around. So cities grew from locations favorable to trade, where a lot of
money and goods flowed through, which meant they had to be located on major trade
routes and in regions where there were a lot of villages and towns producing goods for
trade.
Once cities are formed and you have big businesses and governments setting up residence
in them, you start a cycle of wealth accumulation in cities, leading to more people moving
in, leading to more wealth being accumulated there, attracting even more people, etc...
Governments tax people of the entire country, and though they redistribute most of that
money regionally as well, they also spend that money in institutions and offices that tend
to be concentrated in major cities, enriching them a lot. Big businesses do the same thing,
they take their profit overhead costs from all over the country and bring it to their
corporate offices and HQs mainly located in major cities. This means a lot of money being
taken from the entire country and being brought into major urban areas, and people end
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up following the money there, because it's easier to get money when there's a lot of it
moving around than when there's only a little of it.
If you wanted to avoid having populations concentrated in cities, you'd need to fight big
corporations, favoring small, local businesses, and to decentralize the government so that
government workers and publicly funded institutions are spread more evenly rather than
concentrated in one or two cities.
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Live in a small town they said. You can afford a big house there they said. They neglected to say there
won’t be any family doctors.
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In the last year I worked in about 15 biggest condos being built around Toronto and in Toronto. And I
have to say the price/quality/size is just disapointing. If you have an old condo(aka bigger), keep it,
renovate it, the new ones are terrible.
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People aren't raising families now - period. Marriage is way down, childbearing is way down, but condo
development is up, so more people live in condos out of necessity.
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I don't think those two correlate. There is more condo ownership and less family raising, but they're
each victims to different generational forces.
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Who woulda thunk that glorified expensive apartments are not the long term lifestyle people want?
See yah in my back yard smoking weed and grilling burgers.
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Yard work, renovations and home maintenance are the most popular hobbies in the country.
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That's funny, the only way we're going to be able to buy a house is by forgoing children.
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[–] YawnY86 [score hidden] 1 hour ago
I live in a condo. I wouldn't want to be raised here, it's like a seniors home and most of the seniors
aren't friendly. They treat the whole building like it's theirs. I can't even leave a bike on my balcony
without someone calling the board and complaining.
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Who the frig wants to raise a family in a condo? A condo is for like 2 people
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We 👏can't 👏afford it 👏
How many times are people going to publish these articles until they get it?
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This is a reasonable comment I hope more people pay attention to.. but I do have a question. If
suddenly you had a surge of 250,000 people move to your city (I'm assuming Saskatoon?) would
the city be able to handle that in the way of employment and housing? Is there availability of
both?
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I doubt it's Saskatoon, Regina, or even smaller communities like Weyburn or Estevan at
$230,000. Housing prices in the cities are pretty inflated, I recall having friends from Regina
visit in Quebec and they figured we must have paid about $400K for our house (we had paid
$150K) based on the pricing there.
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You would have to do it soon. I heard that the wave of chinese buyers that make the
costs baloon up in Vancouver and Toronto is coming to Montreal sooner than later.
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My condo president doesn't use the internet and doesn't have a cellphone and wants to do
the budget by hand with a pen and paper.
At a previous condo we had to basically beg the board to allow us to install an air
conditioner and upgrade our furnace to high efficiency - they thought the intake/output
pipes were an eyesore.
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[–] NepalesePasta [score hidden] 3 hours ago
Duh. Condos are the most boring and terrible form of housing. Like everything bad about suburbs and
everything bad about apartments combined.
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Oh yea, bring on 350,000 more immigrants every year and "younger Canadians" will not have a choice
where they will raise their kids.
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YOU
DONT
SAY
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The culture here is to build condos cheaply but charge a lot for them still. I definitely will move out of
the big city if I have a family one day.
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This is why I moved to London. Got a 15 year old detached for 350.
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I would raise my family in a condo, affordable three bedroom, with basement storage, and common
areas like a playroom. With excellent soundproofing so I don’t have to worry about kids bothering
anyone, and in a complexe of buildings surrounding a park and splash pad. Ideally with a daycare and
elementary school within walking distance.
But this doesn’t exist, it could very easily, but it doesn’t. So I live in the burbs, and I’m happy.
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I sure hope not. I constantly hear little kids running and screaming in the hallways of my condo
building. I get you can't afford a bigger place with a yard, but you shouldn't let your kids disturb 100s
of people because of it.
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TIL Toronto, Montreal, Calgary and Vancouver are the only cities in Canada.
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Yeah. Homes are locked out to younger Canadians due to foreign home buyers and then the
government wonders why Canadians aren't having kids so they import people to keep our work force
up.
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share that small of a space. moving to a “house” has been a phenomenal change. i have a yard for my
dog, a private place for friends to stay, room to rotate my summer/winter closet, store seasonal
decorations + extra boxes for gift giving. sacrificing those things was fine when i was 16, but it’s not
practical for a family.
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