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Occupational safety covers mostly the management of personnel safety. Global Steel Wire Market to Reach
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(2) Modifications including like for like replacement, repair and maintenance,
implementation of improvements and/or new technologies, etc.
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During operation the life cycle of these brown field projects is shorter but they undergo full
engineering phases including conceptual, FEED and EPC. Dave Einolf See all »
For Greenfield projects the life cycle of project is much longer and designers may not feel
how they implement the occupational and contraction safety in their design. This is exact
reason for I opened this discussion.
Mohammad Habash
See also:
The Offshore Installations and Wells (Design and Construction, etc.) Regulations 1996
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1996/913/contents/made
Fabienne Salimi
Human factors: Permit to work systems
http://www.hse.gov.uk/humanfactors/topics/ptw.htm
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Mandar Phadke • To add to the discussion, technical safety is to be present also during Norman Ritchie
decommissioning and dismantling of plants. It is not limited only to design and operations
phases only. That is why we have the Safety Lifecycle concept. Technical Safety starts
from concept design of a new plant/facility, green field stage and ends when the plant
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becomes a green field again.
Too many times behavioral safety is given much more importance that technical safety. It
is no doubt important to wear a helmet for example, but is is more important that the
technical safety is taken care of because flaws in technical safety can remain well hidden
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until an accident takes place. I have seen numerous examples of this happening in Manager
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Fabienne Salimi • Thanks Mandar.
Sarfraz Ali • I think Safety is divided in 3 types as Occupational Safety, Process Safety
and Technical Safety.
Occupational Safety is related to Slip-Trips matters
Process Safety is related to Hazards related to Chemicals (Comah Chemical etc)
Technical Safety is related to high level of models fire, explosions etc (BLEVE stuff).
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Guidelines for the Development and Application of Health, Safety and Environmental
Management Systems
http://www.ogp.org.uk/pubs/210.pdf
Technical Safety is a part of HSEMS and covers the design safety with all disciplines.
Human factors and constructability are considered in design through either the dedicated
activities such as:
(1) Working environment requirement which defines the required levels of light, air
conditioning, noise, etc.
(2) 3D model review at 30%, 60% and 90% of design in which constructability,
maintainability and accessibility shall be reviewed and optimised.
(4) etc.
During the brainstorming risk assessment sessions such as HAZOP, HAZID, etc. we may
consider the procedures, permit to work as safeguards. In these cases designer should be
proactive and examine the procedures and PTW to understand how much credit can be
taken from them.
Technical safety also aims to minimise the risk of "major accidents" during construction,
commissiong and decommissioning. Please have a look at:
Process Safety management or HSEMS call for a life cycle approach. Therefore:
(1) Designers shall be aware of Occupational and Construction Safety and optimise their
design accordingly
(2) Operators and construction teams shall be aware of design rationales and limitations
and optimise their procedures accordingly.
Kindest regards,
Fabienne
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Thnx, good overview of Safety stuff linking different terms used in diferent sense
geographically.
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Mandar Phadke • If any of you have read the Baker Panel report, you would have noticed
that they mentioned that it is not enough for example to stress only on matters such as
wearing personal protective eqpt ( personnel safety) but also essential to have technical
safety at an adequate level (checking if burst discs are in place, working for example),
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proper inspection and preventive maintenance and so on.
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Fabienne Salimi • Hi Mandar,
Very often technical safety options shall be optimised with occupational and operational
safety. It is not always straightforward to establish a systematic consideration of one in
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another.
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Kindest regards,
Fabienne
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Syed Muhammad Ali Rizvi • Hi, interesting discussion indeed. Well what I get from this
all discussion is that there are two classifications in safety concept, one is personnel
safety (more like behaviours) and second one is process safety (in other terms technical).
please correct me if I am wrong.
Syed
Muhammad
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As alluded to above, 'managing each' is not ideal. Best to take a hollistic approach to
optimise the technological and human factors interfaces simply because each ALWAYS
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impacts on the other. No matter how well designed the technological solution is, human
factors can - and will - impact on overall effectiveness. Similarly, no matter how competent
a workforce is, technological shortfalls will ALWAYS catch someone out.
Best way to think of it is as a Venn diagram with each of the different classifications
(whatever they may be referred to, 'Technical Safety', 'Occupational Health and Safety',
'Process Safety', 'Safety, Health and Environmental' engineering'...etc) all falling roughly
into 3 different collections:
1. Medium/Long term health impact
2. Short/medium term negative impact
3. Low probability/High impact 'major incidents'
Where all 3 intersect will show the relationships between each for the risk scenario’s
identified, as well as the interdependencies.
The traditional approach of managing each risk ‘set’ by specialists often misses these
interdependencies – or worse discounts them due to ‘assumptions’ or discipline specific
heuristics. The results can be disastrous.
The UK HSE and American CCPS provide really useful guidance on the relationships
between technology and ‘human factors’ in process safety, as well as a number of
associated guidelines on how best to manage the issues.
One further useful tool – particularly where personnel and/or organisational process safety
management ‘maturity’ is low is ‘Bow Tie Analysis’. This presents the prevention, control,
mitigation and recovery aspects of each cause and effect in both technological terms
(equipment identified) AND human factors (critical procedures, maintenance routines,
work instructions, etc) in an easily understood graphical format.
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