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Ukrainian company IMKAS is known for their advanced research of silencer technologies. Perhaps most
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interesting products they have developed are the suppressors with floating baffles. As you can see from the
images, there are springs between baffles and during the shot, baffles can actually move back and forth.
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They key engineers of the company have a number of published articles with in-depth analysis of the history
and technology of silencers. In one of these articles, they explain the theory behind this floating baffle
technology. So the advantage of this system is that the expanding gasses spend some of their energy on
moving the baffles and compressing the springs. By doing a mechanical work, gasses cool down and come
to rest quicker thus allowing better sound suppression at a given internal volume of the suppressor.
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IMKAS admits that there already was a similar suppressor called MAE Kilwell Whisper designed by
a company located in New Zealand. So IMKAS suppressors are further development of this concept with a
lot of scientific research and tests put into it.
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What looks great in theory, sometimes fails in practice. That was the case during the initial development
stages of these suppressors, too. While .22LR models worked fine, the 9mm versions had some problems.
The first models showed an extensive wear of the baffles and springs. From the images below, one of the
baffles looks to have suffered from a baffle strike. So based on these experiments, IMKAS reworked the
design. The final versions have baffles and springs made of materials better suiting the task: with more wear
resistance and capability to operate in high pressure and high temperature environments.
Damaged baffles and springs from first tests of 9mm models
The company also states that this technology needs more refinement and testing. Particularly, they need to
measure the actual advantage compared to similar suppressors with traditional baffle systems.
I think this system also somewhat self-adjust the volume of each chamber, which may possibly aid the
suppression too.
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44 THOUGHTS ON “UKRAINIAN “IMKAS” SUPPRESSORS WITH FLOATING BAFFLES”
BFG3000 April 6, 2017 at 3:43 am
It’s a shake weight with threads?
BATTLESHIPGREY April 6, 2017 at 3:52 am
Very interesting. Even if it becomes vaporware, I hope the publish a follow up someday
with a comparison between conventional suppressors.
SGT FISH April 6, 2017 at 4:13 am
I’m not the only other person who played around with this idea. in the end, I really didn’t see the
benefit being worth it after you have to come up with springs that can survive such high temps without
being too stiff, as well as adding moving parts to a machine with no moving parts and dealing with the
associated wear and tear
BOBTAIL101 April 6, 2017 at 11:47 am
I used to use valve springs from car motars(reneult 5) to keep baffles in placeThey
worked very well I used 5 series of 6 baffles on 4x 5mm guide rods each separated
by a valve spring in a 30cm long SHOCK ABSORBER tube from a reneult 405 car
They were heavy almost 4 pounds but verry quiet in .223
RSG April 6, 2017 at 4:21 am
Just about all major suppressor manufacturers are aware of this concept. The problem
exists where the baffles can’t have any side to side movement, while maintaining enough
flexibility to move forward and back. Maintaining rigidity for piston like action has its own hosts of
troubles. Still, science tells us that larger cans with more internal area is the only way to reduce raport.
RAZ-0 April 6, 2017 at 8:22 am
Hmm, I wonder if you did fixed baffles and replaced the coil springy bits with
something leaf springy that he expanding gasses could expand, but when fully
extended resulted in an opening of a larger diameter than the baffle openings to prevent strikes,
if you’d actually get any benefit.
JAKES ASTUR April 6, 2017 at 6:14 am
This is not a new concept. About 35 years ago, I remember my uncle had a Brno (Now CZ)
Number 2 bolt action 22 LR with a Unique (french) suppressor with springs and washers. It worked
quite well, but in those days you didn´t have subsonic ammo to buy, so the crack was still very
noticeable. Regards from Argentina.
IKSNILOL April 6, 2017 at 6:52 am
IIRC those springs were there to only keep the washers in place. Not an uncommon
config for cheap suppressors.
SOMEONE April 6, 2017 at 6:18 am
Well that sounds cool. Finally some creativity.
GARY KIRK April 6, 2017 at 6:47 am
Great, now my suppressor can make the same boing as my buffer tube..
ROGUETECHIE April 6, 2017 at 8:01 am
You know, if you could time the pulses right you could actively cancel spring noise
using destructive interference from… More spring noise!
It’s a wicked path you traveleth. Be careful lest ye get lost in the void of spring
noise.
ROGUETECHIE April 6, 2017 at 12:24 pm
Nothing but the sounds of sproing issued from the front lines in the
forests at night, and America’s enemies came to dread and fear the
nights filled with the sounds of sproing and rifle butts crashing into skulls….
IKSNILOL April 6, 2017 at 12:30 pm
I was thinking more along the lines of the users themselves

being driven mad by the incessant sproings of their rifles.
Mere broken shells of men they were, as they marched and brought death,
only the sproings drowned out the sounds of the screams.” WHY. WON’T,
THEY, STOP, SPROINGING!?” -he screamed, but his comrades only heard
the sproinging.
ROGUETECHIE April 6, 2017 at 1:35 pm
Oh yeah, that too…
PPGMD April 6, 2017 at 11:15 am
JP will have a silent captured spring for your silencer shortly. ?
GARY KIRK April 6, 2017 at 4:22 pm
Yeah, have heard about first round pop.. Now we have continuous boing..
PPGMD April 6, 2017 at 6:49 am
*Looks at header image* Looks like a great way to get a baffle strike
*Scrolls down further* CALLED IT!
Neat idea, but too many engineering challenges to overcome to make a practical can.
I am surprised that they didn’t see this coming, anyone that has dealt with springs knows that they
rarely compress in a perfectly straight line. There will be some bending. The only way to ensure that
the baffle remain perfectly straight as they move back and forth would be to put them on some fairly
tight fitted rails. But then you have the issue of lubrication, carbon build up, and spring life.
ROCKETSCIENTIST April 6, 2017 at 8:30 am
Or make the baffles axially long enough that their outer surface acts as a bearing
interface with the inner bore of the tube. Would keep axial alignment and prevent
rotation of the baffles elements about transverse axes (and rotation about an axial axis is of no
concern as, assuming they’re concentric with the bore it poses no risk of baffle strike). Of
course this would require maintenance of fairly close tolerances between baffle element and
tube, and any debris in there would interfere with motion. So would need to deal with fouling
somehow. Maybe material surface treatment of some kind.
NOOB April 6, 2017 at 9:55 pm
I’d like to know if this could work in one of those underbore suppressors that
you see attached to pistols so normal height sights can stil aim.
My idea would be to have a small volume with conventional fixed baffles along the bore
that deflect gas downward into a series of chambers with vertically oriented sprung
pistons in them – one piston per baffle.
The pistons act as a hydraulic accumulator, soaking up energy from the moving gas and
then releasing the energy over time. If the pistons were correctly tollerenced they could
even have a damping effect so they resist the gas over time and then spring back into
position when the gas pulse has dissipated.
SOME RABBIT April 6, 2017 at 7:27 am
When you’re too cheesy to measure out proper spacers, fix the resulting slop with a spring.
ROGUETECHIE April 6, 2017 at 7:59 am
This has got me thinking about some sort of unholy Belleville washer blast baffles
VET FOR TRUMP April 6, 2017 at 8:48 am
To keep things straight during spring compression, I think that if the baffles have 4
equidistant holes (90°) near the rim with SS guide rods to keep them from twisting, that
might help.
Also titanium baffles. Not sure what the springs could be made from to withstand the temperatures
and pressure.
NOOB April 6, 2017 at 9:51 pm
Good old spring temper 301 stainless.
Maybe like this?

Guide rods just inside the springs and through each baffle near the rim.
I assume the right side is the threaded end for the barrel.
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STEVE April 6, 2017 at 9:06 am
With a proper bearing surface on the baffles, this would probably work better.
Hard Chrome plating?

Baffle edges and inside the tube, after polishing?
Like an engine cylinder.
Makes my gas piston analogy to car cylinders even more appropriate.
NOVA3930 April 6, 2017 at 9:19 am
there’s also potential for the springs to act as turbulators in the flow, further dissipating flow
energy.
MAZKACT April 8, 2017 at 3:23 am
They could ad a reciprocating dingle arm.
I’ve already built 2 Form 1 suppressors, fixed baffles, one for 5.56 and one for 30 caliber.
I think I can improve on their design and make it work.
Something to do in my spare time, of which there is plenty since I’m retired.
Especially the top picture which uses a muzzle brake.
My 30 Caliber suppressor is built that way with a muzzle brake and large blast chamber.
Picture before assembly.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/af0e6e401f359e41d93899bedf5be06025ae2d221d15c0aac4cfe7d0ddec1f09.jpg
RANDOMSWEDE April 6, 2017 at 11:21 am
Reminds me of an idea I had a while ago, I couldn’t figure it out mechanically (sound) but
basically a telescoping suppressor with a spring to absorb some of the force and collapse
the unit back down.
Construction similar to the archetypical spyglass, or “pirate monocular”.
I was hoping for a shorter unit with less weight offset without sacrificing sound suppression.
WETCORPS April 6, 2017 at 11:37 am
I have a small 22 suppressor which uses such a system. Unmarked, I got it for 30€.
Even with subsonics it doesn’t suppress much, to the point I quickly stopped using it
because the weak suppression wasn’t worth the cleaning afterwards.
I don’t know if it’s because of the system though. Could be because the thing is very small and has
like two baffles.
VET FOR TRUMP April 6, 2017 at 12:45 pm
The good news is that all the parts in SS (except for baffles) can be found online.
I’m not thinking freeze plugs will work in this design.
I would need a metal lathe to make custom baffles out of SS.

Then not to mention the cost of polishing and hard chrome plating the inside of the tube and the
baffles.
I’m not even sure what compression rating would be needed on the springs to function correctly with a
large caliber muzzle PSI. I don’t understand those ratings.
wetcorps, I don’t think there is enough pressure generated by a .22 to compress the springs.
GUNSANDROCKETS April 6, 2017 at 1:23 pm
How clever. What immediately ‘springs’ to mind (heh) is a version of this system that
eliminates the baffles+spring combination with a single flat-coil spring, with each coil of the
spring functioning as a baffle.
SOUTHPAW89 April 6, 2017 at 6:00 pm
Hmmm… Magnetize baffles, wrap can with copper wire, and charge your red dot with each
shot. Or not.
SLEDGECROWBAR April 6, 2017 at 6:19 pm
Someone finally found and ransacked my first Civic hatchback in the junkyard.
MARK HORNING April 6, 2017 at 11:15 pm
The “sproing” from my AR stock is bad enough. Now you can buy a suppressor that goes
sproing as well.
COLONEL K April 8, 2017 at 9:37 pm
Moving parts in suppressors can be problematic. I had a very similar spring loaded floating
baffle suppressor years. It was a .22 and it worked for a few rounds but quickly fouled and
got stuck in the tube.
LILWOLFY April 9, 2017 at 11:20 am
Nevuh been dun befo……
UISCONFRUZED April 10, 2017 at 4:18 am
Failed to follow KISS.
TONY April 12, 2017 at 4:48 am
We already tried that many years ago. It didn’t work as well as a conventional stack.
Tony Rumore
Tromix
CORE April 12, 2017 at 10:27 am
flatsprings would fix that issue.
JJ April 12, 2017 at 11:29 am
You’d think baffle strikes would be very common. Wouldn’t want one deflected out the side
of the can. I could see a upper/lower guide rod or rail for the baffles to move and remain in
proper alignment. I would also wonder if a pneumatic spring built into a guide in between
each baffle vs conventional springs would keep working as temp are high. A lesser heat
affected gas in the spring could keep compression more consistent than air.
Regardless, neat idea. Hope to see more info on this in the future. Would be nice to see newer
designs that don’t just look like a tube also. Not a football or weird thing. Maybe hidden under an AR
handgaurd. Maybe run gasses back to butt to a hidden one inside.
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44 THOUGHTS ON “UKRAINIAN “IMKAS” SUPPRESSORS WITH FLOATING BAFFLES”

BFG3000 April 6, 2017 at 3:43 am

It’s a shake weight with threads?

BATTLESHIPGREY April 6, 2017 at 3:52 am

SGT FISH April 6, 2017 at 4:13 am

BOBTAIL101 April 6, 2017 at 11:47 am

RSG April 6, 2017 at 4:21 am

RAZ-0 April 6, 2017 at 8:22 am

JAKES ASTUR April 6, 2017 at 6:14 am

IKSNILOL April 6, 2017 at 6:52 am

SOMEONE April 6, 2017 at 6:18 am

Well that sounds cool. Finally some creativity.

GARY KIRK April 6, 2017 at 6:47 am

ROGUETECHIE April 6, 2017 at 8:01 am

IKSNILOL April 6, 2017 at 9:32 am

ROGUETECHIE April 6, 2017 at 12:24 pm

IKSNILOL April 6, 2017 at 12:30 pm

I was thinking more along the lines of the users themselves

ROGUETECHIE April 6, 2017 at 1:35 pm

Oh yeah, that too…

PPGMD April 6, 2017 at 11:15 am

JP will have a silent captured spring for your silencer shortly. ?

GARY KIRK April 6, 2017 at 4:22 pm

PPGMD April 6, 2017 at 6:49 am

ROCKETSCIENTIST April 6, 2017 at 8:30 am

NOOB April 6, 2017 at 9:55 pm

SOME RABBIT April 6, 2017 at 7:27 am

ROGUETECHIE April 6, 2017 at 7:59 am

VET FOR TRUMP April 6, 2017 at 8:48 am

NOOB April 6, 2017 at 9:51 pm

Good old spring temper 301 stainless.

VET FOR TRUMP April 6, 2017 at 9:05 am

Maybe like this?

STEVE April 6, 2017 at 9:06 am

VET FOR TRUMP April 6, 2017 at 9:10 am

Hard Chrome plating?

IKSNILOL April 6, 2017 at 9:33 am

Makes my gas piston analogy to car cylinders even more appropriate.

NOVA3930 April 6, 2017 at 9:19 am

MAZKACT April 8, 2017 at 3:23 am

They could ad a reciprocating dingle arm.

VET FOR TRUMP April 6, 2017 at 9:54 am

RANDOMSWEDE April 6, 2017 at 11:21 am