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1. Stephen Moore
20 de dezembro de 2016 às 17:51 Resposta
The above incorrect. The writers of the New Testament used
“pastor” and “overseer” to describe “elders”… 1 Peter 5 “To
the ELDERS among you, I appeal as a fellow elder and a
witness of Christ’s sufferings who also will share in the
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Paul J. Barth
December 30, 2016 at 3:07 pm Reply
All bishops/overseers/pastors are elders, no one disputes
this. The point is that some elders rule only while others rule
and preach. This has been the ubiquitous position of the
universal Church all along and does not originate with the
Reformation and certainly has no been disproven since then.
Samuel Miller has an entire book about the Ruling Elder
that can be accessed for free here, I highly recommend it!
http://www.reformed.org/books/ruling_elder/
1. Stephen Moore
December 30, 2016 at 3:27 pm Reply
Thanks for the response Paul. I’m aware of the history of
teaching at the during the beginnings of the
Reformation. The problem is, your assertion that “some
elders rule only” is found no where in Scripture (if it is –
can you point it out to me?). If some elders were to
“only rule,” why must all elders be “apt to teach”?
Paul J. Barth
January 1, 2017 at 3:28 pm Reply
Being “apt to teach” does not mean that it is their primary
function to preach and it doesn’t make them Teaching
Elders; that would ignore the distinction Scripture makes
between Elders that only rule and Elders that rule as well as
preach. There are several ways that Ruling Elders teach
without making them Teaching Elders. Rev. William
Davidson wrote:
1. Stephen Moore
January 20, 2017 at 8:01 pm Reply
Thanks for your reply. I understand Davidson’s
pragmatic argument, but I still see no indication in
Scripture that there will be elders who *only* rule. It’s
just not there. We might just have to agree to disagree on
this one. As long as you affirm all elders (whether
ruling/teaching/etc) occupy the same office I don’t think
you’re in any serious error.
2. Josh
May 27, 2017 at 11:56 am Reply
I am less concerned about the preaching/teaching and ruling
distinctions, and more concerned that calling teaching elders
“pastors” appropriates all of the scriptural shepherding
metaphor to teaching elders alone.
Thoughts?
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1. Stephen Moore
May 30, 2017 at 8:46 pm Reply
I think you’re on the money. I’ve been struggling with a
way forward, as I’m working in a tradition that
*theoretically* affirms the one office of elder. However,
in practice the “teaching elder” is seen by the
congregation as very different from the others. It’s
unhelpful, like you mentioned, with regard to pastoral
care and expectations of elders. Clarifying that all elders
are pastors together, seems a very wise and necessary
way forward.
3. Gary Lutz
July 14, 2018 at 3:19 am Reply
I think the biggest distinction between a pastor and elder is a
paycheck.
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