1 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MARCH 12, 2003 HELD ON BY: CORDON PARKS JEFF ROSS INTERVIEW OF BRIAN DAVID MITCHELL

2 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 cuffs. A. Ross. MR. PARKS: those handcuffs off? A. I may. That would be nice. I'd like to use the restroom if I'm MARCH 12, 2003 SALT LAKE CITY, UTAH P R O C E E D I N G S * * * BRIAN DAVID MITCHELL WAS INTERVIEWED BY CORDON PARKS AND JEFF ROSS AND GAVE THE FOLLOWING ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS ASKED: * * * How are you doing? I assume you want

I would also like a glass -- a drink of water. If that's possible. Anything is possible. This is Jeff

quite thirsty.

MR. PARKS:

He's with the FBI. MR. ROSS: MR. PARKS: Bear with me. Thank you. MR. PARKS: Okay. All right. Let's go make sure Just Hi. I'm Detective Parks. These aren't my

you can use the facilities and then we'll get started. follow me. A. Okay. MR. PARKS: Jeff will come behind.

(The three leave the room and return.) MR. ROSS: MR. PARKS: Come on in and have a seat. What's your last name?

3 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. give you. MR. PARKS: Okay. Well, not to be too obvious about A. A. A. A. A. A. Isaiah. MR. PARKS: I-s-a-i-a-h. MR. PARKS: Immanuel. MR. PARKS: How do you spell it? And first name? How do you spell Isaiah?

I-m-m-a-n-u-e-l. MR. PARKS: David. Your middle name?

D-a-v-i-d. What's your birthday?

MR PARKS: 1853. MR. PARKS:

What's your address? That's the only address I can

My home is heaven.

it, but we've been looking for Elizabeth Smart for some months, and she's with you. all came about. And we're curious as to how that

As far as we're concerned, it's a crime. We

I'm going to be up front with you right off the bat. believe you committed a crime. A. Right. MR. PARKS:

And we have certain rights -- you have

certain rights that we have to advise you of before we continue. You have the right to remain silent. Do you

understand that?

4 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. Yes. MR. PARKS: Anything you say can and will be used Do you understand that?

against you in a court of law. A. Uh-huh. MR. PARKS:

You have the right to talk to a lawyer

and have him present with you while you're being questioned. Do you understand that? A. Yes. MR. PARKS: If you cannot afford to hire a lawyer,

one will be appointed to represent you before any questioning, if you wish. A. Uh-huh. MR. PARKS: If you decide not to exercise these As far Do you understand that?

rights, we're curious as to how that all came about.

as we're concerned, it's a crime, I'm going to be up front with you right off the bat. We believe you committed a

crime, and we have certain rights that we have to advise you of before we talk to you. A. Right. MR. PARKS: you understand that? A. Uh-huh. MR. PARKS: Anything you say can and will be used Do you understand that? You have the right to remain silent. Do

against you in a court of law. A. Uh-huh.

5 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. MR. PARKS: You have the right to have -- to talk to

a lawyer and have him present with you while you're being questioned. A. Do you understand that?

Yes. MR. PARKS: If you cannot afford to hire a lawyer,

one will be appointed to represent you before any questioning, if you wish. A. Uh-huh. MR. PARKS: You can decide at any time to exercise Do you understand that?

these rights and not answer any questions or make any statements. A. Do you understand that?

Yes, I do. MR. PARKS: Okay. Do you understand each of these

rights I just explained to you? A. I do. MR. PARKS: Having these rights in mind, will you

talk to us and answer our questions? A. I will. MR. PARKS: Yes. MR. PARKS: Okay, Immanuel, tell us about how you Do you prefer to be called Immanuel?

came to have Elizabeth Smart with you. A. You have in your possession The Book of Immanuel

David Isaiah. MR. PARKS: We don't, actually.

6 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 thinking. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. You should. MR. PARKS: Where is it?

It's with my things. MR. PARKS: Yes. MR. PARKS: The Book of what? With your property?

Immanuel David Isaiah. MR. PARKS: Okay. All right. Go ahead.

That tells you who I am and what I am about. MR. ROSS: Did you write it?

The Lord God Almighty wrote it. MR. ROSS: Through you?

Yes, through me. MR. PARKS: And what's in that book that would cause

you to have Elizabeth Smart with you? A. Read the book. MR. PARKS: Oh, I will, but how -- how did she come

to be in your custody? A. By the power of God, by the power of Almighty God. MR. PARKS: And how did God lead her to you? He

He worketh by the power of the Holy Ghost.

worketh by the power of the Holy Ghost, and he worked upon her heart that she knew that I was the Lord's true servant. MR. PARKS: So you converted her to your way of

7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. A. A. A. with you? A. When you read the book, you'll understand. MR. PARKS: Okay. Well, you have lived in what we her. God. MR. PARKS: And why was she converted to be A. A. converts. MR. PARKS: The Holy Ghost converted her? The Holy Ghost converted I didn't convert her to anything. The Holy Spirit

The Holy Spirit converts. The spirit of God.

She was converted by the spirit of

would call the secular world. A. Right. Yes. You did go by the name of Brian David

MR. PARKS:

Mitchell, did you not? A. If you ask me what I was -- who I am is like to ask

me if I am someone other than who I am is -MR. PARKS: Uh-huh?

-- to place me in a position where I am not. MR. PARKS: Uh-huh.

In other words, I have forsaken the world and all of

the world. MR. PARKS: Uh-huh.

And I am a new creature in Christ. MR. PARKS: Uh-huh.

In the world, and it's as immaterial to ask me -- or

8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. A. A. A. A. A. to answer such a question, because it's -- it's absolutely immaterial. MR. PARKS: Okay. Well, it's not immaterial to us,

so please bear with us. A. I understand, I know it's not immaterial to you

because this is how you work in the world, but if you were to take -- ask the Savior of the world who he was, he wouldn't say, I am the son of Joseph and Mary born in Nazareth. would not. MR. PARKS: That -He

There is no incident -MR. PARKS: Uh-huh.

There's no recorded incident where he was found He would say, my father has sent me. Uh-huh.

saying that.

MR. PARKS:

I came to do the will of the Father. MR. PARKS: But you're not Jesus Christ?

I am not Jesus Christ. MR. PARKS: You're a prophet?

I am his servant. MR. PARKS: Your a servant?

I am the Lord's servant, and he has called me, and

he has called me out of the world, so I have no part in the world, so I have no part in these questions or answers that you're seeking about anything other than who I am now.

9 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. MR. PARKS: did you call her? A. Her name is Shear Jashub. MR. PARKS: S-h-e-a-r. MR. ROSS: S-h-e-a-r. MR. ROSS: S-h-e-r? Shear. Jas -- Jashub is J-a-s-h-u-b. How do you spell that? Okay. This girl that was with you, what

J-a-s-h-u-b?

Shear Jashub. MR. PARKS: How old is she.

Here, once again, that question -MR. PARKS: She's 18. MR. PARKS: What would lead you to believe she's 18? Is very relevant. How old is she?

Because the Lord has said she is such. MR. PARKS: The Lord God Almighty told you she was

18 years old? A. Yes.

That's a yes or no question. Yes. Okay. Did you marry her?

MR. PARKS: You say 18. MR. PARKS:

You say 18. Brian --

I am not -- that's not who I am. MR. PARKS: Immanuel, listen. Did you marry her?

I didn't marry her, but she is sealed to me as my

wife, yes.

10 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. A. A. not? MR. PARKS: Okay. MR. PARKS: Okay. MR. PARKS: Did you take Shear Jashub? Well, let's just cover the basics, okay? They can, yes. A. A. A. her? A. Those are very personal, private questions. MR. PARKS: Those are very relevant questions. Yes or no. I am Did A. MR. PARKS: Yes. MR. PARKS: Have you had sexual intercourse with She's sealed to you as your wife?

you have sex with her? A.

You told me I could have an attorney present.

my attorney. MR. PARKS: You are your own attorney?

Presently I am. MR. PARKS: Okay. I am defending myself, am I not?

Presently I am. MR. PARKS:

Yes, you are.

These questions can be used against me, can they

Shear Jashub Esther Isaiah is her name, Shear Jashub

Esther Isaiah. MR. PARKS: pronounce that. I'm sorry, Immanuel, I just can't

I'm just going to call her Elizabeth.

11 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. A. A. Shear Jashub Esther Isaiah. MR. PARKS: Esther. Did you take

I'll call her Esther.

Esther out of her house? A. The Lord God delivered her unto us. MR. PARKS: How did the Lord God deliver her to you? Was it at the shelter?

Was that on the street somewhere? MR. ROSS:

Did the Lord sneak in her bedroom in the This is -- I

middle of night and deliver her to you?

understand, you know, you're trying to -- this isn't making much sense to the two of us. A. Right. MR. PARKS: So I was hoping maybe you can explain it

in a way I can understand it. A. you do. MR. ROSS: Not only that. You want answers you can use against me. You know

And you say you want to know the truth. MR. ROSS: That's true. We do. It will set all

But the truth will set you free.

men free, and when Jesus Christ was questioned, his answers didn't please them either. MR. PARKS: They were angry with him. You were once LDS. You

Excuse me.

considered Joseph Smith to be a true prophet of God. A. Joseph Smith is the true prophet of God. MR. PARKS: He wrote the 13 Articles of Faith.

12 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. A. Yes he did. MR. PARKS: Sir -MR. PARKS: of the land. A. Yes. MR. PARKS: What we want to know is, have you been Have you been faithful to the We believe in being subject to the laws What are the 13 Articles of Faith,.

Isn't that what the 13th Article of Faith is?

faithful to your own beliefs? laws of the land? A.

What was Jesus accused of? MR. PARKS: I'm not talking about Jesus. I've been

talking to you. A. I have been absolutely faithful to the righteous I mean, I have a -- all righteous laws

laws of this land. flow from God. come from God.

Not all laws are righteous, and not all laws And the Constitution of the United States was

founded on righteous principles, and when you read The Book of Immanuel David Isaiah, you'll come to understand that this nation has become the most corrupt and evil nation on the face of the earth. And, why? Because they have been given

great light, truth and knowledge, and they have perverted the right ways of the Lord, and they are filled with great Idolatry and wickedness. And those -- and those who have There is greater goodness

greater truth have greater evil.

with greater truth possible, but there's also greater evil

13 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 because, when you have greater truth, you can put on all the appearances of righteousness and pervert the right ways of the Lord. And this is what this country has done because they have had great blessings, great light, truth and knowledge, even coming down from God through, you know, a divine constitution and Christians coming here for religious freedom. MR. PARKS: MR. ROSS: Well, let's get back to Elizabeth Smart. Yeah, because this sounds more like a

political debate than -A. Not political. MR. ROSS: out on the table. A. There is nothing unpolitical. MR. ROSS: talking about. So far, I have no idea what you're There's nothing unpolitical.

Let me just -- let me just put this right

Maybe it's because I grew up outside of Utah

and I'm not familiar with all this, you know, religious stuff, but you need to bring it down to a level so that I can understand it because this stuff you're talking about, you know, and how it relates to Elizabeth and how she ended up being taken from her home. MR. PARKS: Let me say this, that the past nine

months that family has gone through hell. A. I understand.

14 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. A. MR. ROSS: You do understand that? Their whole family has

I understand that very much. I understand that.

been torn apart. MR. ROSS:

And let me tell you, since the day she

has been taken, both Cord and myself and hundreds of other law enforcement officers have been spending countless police hours and hours trying to find this girl. And the family, I

mean they wake up during the middle of the night, and their kid is gone. she's dead. A. Right. MR. ROSS: Uh-huh. MR. ROSS: So your explanation so far, as far as God We expected to find a corpse. They have no idea where she went. They think

delivering -- God delivering her to you makes no sense to me because it doesn't match up with the facts. A. Well, let me tell you, if she -- if she -- how --

how -- how did -- how was -- when the children of Israel were led into the promise land -MR. ROSS: Let's keep it out of the Bible and keep

it in the present time. A. No. No. There's no other way I can explain it.

I'm sorry. MR. ROSS: Well don't mind me, if, when you start to

explain it and it makes no sense to me --

15 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. A. A. A. Okay. MR. ROSS: Okay. -- if I just cut into it.

Well, let me say, you just shared with me how

her family suffered, right? MR. ROSS: Uh-huh.

But when God's children became idolatrous and The whole history of

wicked, they suffered many things.

mankind in the scriptures is great suffering. MR. ROSS: Uh-huh. They have been They have

They became idolatrous and wicked.

taken into captivity. been slain.

They have been torn apart.

Many things have happened to the Lord's children

when they have been disobedient. MR. ROSS: Time to bring you in for a landing

because you're talking about this stuff again. A. Okay. Hear it comes in for a landing. When the

children of Israel went into the promise land, they destroyed many, many peoples, and in -- and in many cases they took the daughters captive and just destroyed all the men, women and children except the daughters who were virgins. were destroyed. All the boys

All the men and women were destroyed and the That

only thing they took captive were the virgin daughters.

was the children of Israel when they went into the promise land in some cities. The Lord had commanded them to destroy

the public completely.

16 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 sir. A. A. A. A. A. A. MR. ROSS: So, where was your promise land?

The whole earth is a promise land for all of us.

When the -MR. ROSS: But for you?

When the Lord comes into great power and mighty

glory and might, he's going to destroy all wicked and lift up the poor, the sick, the afflicted, the humble followers of Christ and lift them up, and they will inherit the earth. This is according to the gospel and the scriptures and the scriptures of the teachings of the Lord. MR. ROSS: MR. PARKS: prophet of God -A. I never said I was a prophet of God. MR. PARKS: I believe you did. I said I'm the servant of the Lord. Because you are -All right. Are you saying that, because you are a

No, I didn't. MR. PARKS:

All right.

If the Lord God -MR. PARKS: Isaiah --

If the Lord God sayeth -MR. PARKS: Please relax. Immanuel. MR. PARKS: Immanuel, relax. Are you saying because Isaiah, you're talking all over me here,

you're a servant of the Lord that God provided you with a

17 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. A. A. A. A. virgin to be your bride? Is that what you're saying? That's

a yes or no question, Immanuel. A. I didn't say that. You can draw your own

conclusions.

You said -- you were talking about her family

suffered and you couldn't understand, you couldn't understand why -MR. PARKS: Immanuel.

-- their family would have to suffer. MR. PARKS: Immanuel.

I'm saying that the Lord's children. MR. PARKS: Immanuel.

There's much suffering had. MR. ROSS: So, can we draw that conclusion, that

because you're a servant of the Lord? MR. PARKS: God owed you a virgin for a wife? You're making your own

Absolutely not.

conclusions. MR. ROSS: I'm asking. I'm

He asked why did her family have to suffer.

telling you that -MR. PARKS: Okay. We're beyond that. Let me get on

to another factor, okay? A. Okay. MR. PARKS: We've been talking to this girl, and she

said some really terrible things about you, and I just want

18 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 not. A. to ask you some very direct questions that don't deserve an answer from theology, okay? her house at knife-point? A. Did you take this girl out of Yes or no?

I'm not going to answer that question. MR. PARKS: And why not? I just want to know why

you don't want to answer. MR. ROSS: MR. PARKS: Okay. MR. PARKS: You're not that far off, okay? We've You have to answer, you know. Let me explain something to you, okay?

been studying you now for a couple of weeks.

You have been

arrested for DUI and for some substance abuse way back in the '70's. You were arrested for burglary in San Diego last You were stopped by the

month, and you gave a bad name.

Sandy police this afternoon, and you and Wanda and Elizabeth all gave bad names, obviously an attempt to evade the police. You were much more street wise. You were much more street You have been around

wise than you are letting on to us now. more -A.

I am not letting on to anything else but who I am. MR. PARKS: I think what you're doing here is you're

thinking that you're going to lay some kind of insanity defense. A. I'm not -- I'm not -- absolutely not. Absolutely

19 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. A. MR. PARKS: So, you are sane?

I am saying -- I'm saying to you that I am who I am,

Immanuel David Isaiah, the servant of the Lord. MR. ROSS: Brian David Mitchell?

I am the servant of the Lord, and my name is

Immanuel David Isaiah. MR. ROSS: Well, guess what? We're servants of the

Lord, too, only in a different track. MR. PARKS: Here's the deal. Do you know what

you're under arrest here for?

You are under arrest for

aggravated kidnapping because the girl told us you took her against her will out of her house at knife-point. You are Both

under arrest for aggravated sexual assault on a minor. of these charges carry life imprisonment.

You can be Dave

Isaiah Immanuel in prison for the rest of your life, and that's very likely. This is your opportunity now to tell us what happened and why you did what you did. And, instead, you

keep sending us off on tangents that have nothing to do with the matters and questions at hand. You are very likely to Now, that might not

spend the rest of your life in prison.

be important to you as the servant of the Lord, and you may think it's nothing, but let me tell you, you will never see Wanda again. You will never see Elizabeth again. You will

never get out of prison.

20 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. A. Lord. MR. ROSS: All right. Well, let's -A. A. A. A. You're talking about -- you're talking about -MR. PARKS: No. MR. PARKS: I'm talking about your future here, now. I'm talking about your future, Isaiah.

Will you please understand that God hath power to

deliver me. MR. PARKS: Do you understand that you don't have an

insanity defense because you have obviously lied to conceal your identity from the police? A. It mattereth not what you're saying and how good you It mattereth not. God hath

think this case is against me.

power to deliver me out of the hands of all my enemies. MR. PARKS: MR. ROSS: Well, we -Are we your enemies?

The Lord said to Peter, get thee behind me, Satan. MR. ROSS: You're talking Bible stuff again. I

never even read it. but I wasn't. A.

I pretended like I did in grade school,

I was reading comic books.

You said you were serving the Lord, too, you were

serving the Lord, too. MR. ROSS: Yes. That's right.

I can only answer you according to the words of the

He said to Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan.

21 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. A. A. A. A. A. A. Now, was Peter at that moment his enemy? Because we're all subject to deception. Yes.

We're all subject

to -- to follow the wrong spirit and to follow our own. MR. ROSS: Man, you're talking in circles. You're

talking this Biblical stuff that makes no sense to anyone in this room in the 21st century. MR. PARKS: MR. ROSS: Immanuel. It doesn't. And that's why great Immanuel.

I know it doesn't.

destructions are prophesied upon the whole face of the earth. MR. PARKS: Immanuel. Immanuel?

What's your name? MR. PARKS: Cordon? MR. PARKS: Yeah. MR. PARKS: Okay. MR. PARKS: Okay. MR. PARKS: Uh-huh. MR. PARKS: I'm familiar with the great prophets, I've studied the Bible. I've read the Bible. I'm a Lutheran. Yeah. I'm a Christian. My name is Cordon.

Elisha, Elijah.

22 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. A. A. A. A. Uh-huh. MR. PARKS: I'm unaware of any prophet that lied to

conceal their identity. A. Abraham. MR. PARKS: Well, I'm not going to get into that. I'm unaware of any prophet that took a

girl out of her own house at knife-point and forced her -A. What did -MR. PARKS: What did -MR. ROSS: And then had sex with her. And forced her to marry him.

Was Joshua -MR. ROSS: Kept her away from her family.

Was Joshua -- was Joshua a prophet? MR. PARKS: Okay. Yes, he was.

Then why did the children of Israel, under

the commandment of God, go into the promise land and destroy many cities and, in some cases, take the daughters? MR. PARKS: If I recall my Old Testament, the Lord

actually commanded them to destroy everybody and leave only the livestock. A. No. Is that not true? In some instances, the daughters were

preserved, those who were virgins. MR. PARKS: In what cities? I'm unaware of that.

The Lord commanded them to go into Canaan and wipe everybody out.

23 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. A. A. Yes, but there were instances where they took the

daughters and sometimes the animals. MR. PARKS: And I'm asking, what instance?

You know what? MR. ROSS: MR. PARKS: Where is this -You say you know your Old Testament. Where is that? It's in there.

You say you know your Old Testament. A. It's in there. MR. PARKS: You find it.

So you don't know.

It's in there. MR. PARKS: So maybe you haven't studied the Bible So maybe this is all just bull

as much as you say you have. shit.

Maybe this is all just about David -- maybe this is

all just about David Mitchell trying to get a young virgin for himself. A. No. You know what? None of those who Christ called They were fishermen.

to be apostles were learned men. MR. ROSS: None of them.

None of them were kidnappers either. None of

None of them raped little children.

them were ordered to take a girl against her will out of a house. None of them threatened to kill a little 9-year-old

girl if she made any noise or whatever. MR. PARKS: You know, I don't hate you. He doesn't

hate you either, but we're going to go to the judge and ask for considerations on your bail because you've got to realize

24 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 x x x x x x x x x x x x x x that life as you've known it is over. A. I don't expect you -- to be delivered out of this. MR. PARKS: I don't expect that you're going to get Your future

out of custody until the day you die, okay?

depends on this interview right here, right now. A. Do you remember -- do you remember that Peter was in

prison and an angel came and the guards -- and opened the prison door and let him out. MR. PARKS: Isaiah, nobody is going to come and let There's nobody coming for you.

you out of this room, Hun. A. You know what?

God will deliver me.

25 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. A. A. A. Q. x x x x x x MR. PARKS: Ask me -Your daughter Sarah, and your other daughter, what's Andrea? It's Angela. Well, you know, your daughter Sarah --

her name, Angela? A. Yeah.

MR. PARKS:

We've been talking to her, too, and she

says that you're just not really quite your standard person. She says there's things that are wrong with you, okay? A. Yeah. And Christ was considered that there was much

wrong with him. MR. PARKS: No. You're not Christ.

But I'm his servant, and all of his apostles

and his prophets, from the beginning of time -- Enoch was called a wild man in the desert. MR. PARKS: What we are trying to get --

They are all considered to be crazy, nuts, all of

them, by the world. MR. ROSS: We are not saying --

No, you're not.

26 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. MR. PARKS: Exactly. He was telling you what Angela said. So I responded to that by telling you that

this is often what -- that's -MR. ROSS: That's neither here nor there. We are

trying to find out what happened with Elizabeth, where you were for nine months with her, how many times you had sex with her, if that was the only kid you ever had sex with besides Elizabeth, how it happened that, you know, she gets taken out of her room during the middle of the night. Those are things we're interested in. That's it.

We want to be able to go to Elizabeth's family and offer an explanation as to how, for the past nine months, she has been kept away from her friends, her family, her parents, her brothers and sisters, who have been absolutely terrified and horrified by this whole thing and, for probably some months, have thought that she's not even alive. I mean, we want to

be able to have an explanation for them, and, I mean, you have to feel for the family in this and kind of see where they are coming from in all of this. through hell. I have gone to their house on numerous occasions. Cordon has talked to them on many occasions. A. I have great compassion and love for them because I mean, they have gone

they are the parents of my -MR. PARKS: Oh, horseshit. You took their daughter

27 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. A. A. A. A. out of their house at knife-point, and now you're not even denying that? A. You're saying -- you're saying I did that. MR. PARKS: I'm saying you did it.

The Lord God -- you're saying that I did that. MR. PARKS: I'm saying that you did it.

I'm telling you that the Lord God Almighty delivered

her to us. MR. PARKS: believe you. And I'm asking how, because I don't

I think you're lying your ass off. If you had -- if you had --

MR. ROSS:

I've never said -- I've never said -- I have never All I've told you -Then you tell me the truth. How did

lied about anything. MR. PARKS:

Elizabeth wind up with you? A.

Tell me the truth right now.

By the power of God she was delivered to us. MR. PARKS: And how did God deliver her to you?

By the power of God. MR. ROSS: How did God get you in the house? How

did God get you into the house? A. By the power of God, she was delivered to us. MR. PARKS: you're not -MR. ROSS: Immanuel. Brian, this isn't working. Levitated you into the house? You know,

28 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. ROSS: Well, I'll start calling you Immanuel

when you start giving me answers to questions that I think are reasonable, because right now this God delivering her from the house is ridiculous. A. Q. A. I -- I've tried to give you the honest truth. No, you haven't. Yes, I have. MR. ROSS: The honest truth would be you telling me

how you got her into your control and where you kept her for the past nine months and what you have done with her for the past nine months, and not telling me stories about people going into the promise land and killing everybody except for the virgin daughters. shit. I don't want to hear that

I'll save that for Sunday when I go to church. MR. PARKS: You know what? You're ashamed. Deep

down inside, you know what you did was wrong, and you're ashamed. A. That's why you won't tell us. If you have any -MR. PARKS: their actions. That's why you -- prophets do not hide

They stand up for them and they answer for

them if God told you to, you better tell us. MR. ROSS: This is bullshit. A. You're saying that I can't use the scriptures, and And they take responsibility for it.

yet both of you do.

29 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. MR. PARKS: MR. ROSS: MR. PARKS: I'm telling you that you're lying to us. Let me ask you this -You're ashamed of your actions, and you

will not explain your actions to us. A. You used the scriptures. MR. ROSS: MR. PARKS: And Christ did not --

Did Christ run from the cops? Did he give false names when he was

arrested and approached by the police? A. He had to flee many times. MR. ROSS: MR. PARKS: Really. Really? When did he ever give a bad

name to the police, like you did today? MR. ROSS: never did that. A. He did. MR. ROSS: MR. PARKS: the police? A. He did not -- he did not -MR. ROSS: He never -Didn't he kind of hand himself over? Are you telling me our Savior lied to Yeah. When did he ever do that? Christ

He did not -- in many instances, he did not give

them what they were after. MR. ROSS: How many times did Christ get pulled over

on a DUI or break in to someone else's house? A. No. There were prophets who were drunk and who had

30 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. A. A. been drunk. MR. ROSS: How many times has Christ gone into a

little girl's house and taken her out of her home during the middle of the night against her will? known Christ to pick up a weapon? A. Okay. Is Christ the God? Is he God? When have you ever

MR. ROSS: Okay.

Well, according to my religion, he is. All the things he commanded

All right, then.

his people to do in the Bible, Christ did. MR. PARKS: Did he command anyone to abduct a little I don't believe my New Testament I think this is all about

girl and have sex with her? says anything about that. Immanuel. MR. ROSS: MR. PARKS: You want your virgin. sex with. A.

I think it's all about -It's all about you and what you want. You want to have a young girl to have

I know what you're going to accuse me of. MR. PARKS: Even if you have to go take her. You

I know what you're going to accuse me with.

want to accuse me of being some diabolical, evil criminal. MR. PARKS: No.

And I am a servant of Lord, and I have only done

what I have been commanded to do. MR. ROSS: By whom?

31 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. A. A. A. By the Lord Jesus Christ. MR. ROSS: So, God commanded you to go into the

Smart home and take her? A. I -- the only thing that I'm saying to you that God

commanded me to do was to accept her as my wife. MR. ROSS: Okay. And when he commanded you to

accept her, what did you do? A. I accepted her. MR. PARKS: How did you accept her?

I received her. MR. PARKS: How did you receive her?

In the bonds of marriage. MR. ROSS: In the bonds of marriage? Well, okay.

How did you get to that point? know, get her somehow. being present. A.

You have to be able to, you

You can't marry someone without them

She was delivered in -- unto us. MR. ROSS: By whom?

By God, by the Lord God. MR. ROSS: I remember seeing, you know, the

description of the guy that went into the bedroom, and I don't think it was any anything close to, you know -- pretty much close to you. Even the voice. I mean, Mary Katherine,

she recognized the voice.

It just took her awhile to figure

out who it was because she had heard it before, because you

32 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. A. A. A. you? A. I did not acknowledge that. MR. ROSS: I was not. MR. PARKS: You're nodding your head. I said God -A. had done work at the Smart home. in there. A. It was God that went in there. MR. ROSS: Through you? So, it wasn't God that went

God works through many ways and means. MR. PARKS: You're nodding your head. God through

You nodded your head.

I said, God works through -MR. ROSS: Brian, you nodded your head.

I said, God's works through many ways and means. MR. PARKS: Brian -- excuse me. Immanuel, we talked

to the girl. A. Okay. MR. PARKS: She says it was you, that you appeared

in her bedroom on June 4, held a knife to her throat and took her out of the house and took her to a campsite -A. If she's saying -MR. PARKS: And raped her.

If she's saying that, why are you asking me? MR. ROSS: Because. You want to know why? Because

there's a 15-year-old girl who, for the past ten months or

33 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. A. With you? A. A. A. nine months has been completely horrified, and the last thing I want to have to do is put her through all that pain again by constantly asking her questions and have her relive -- I used to work with kids, I worked with kids who were horribly abused, sexually, physically. A. I understand. MR. ROSS: But she -MR. ROSS: Because to ask her to relive that -I don't think you do, okay?

She -- she -MR. ROSS: Hang on a second. I'm talking.

To relive what?

She's had -- she's had a glorious

experience. MR. ROSS: She's had a glorious experience?

Are you telling me, for the last nine months that

she's been with you that it's been glorious? A. It's been -- our -- we have had many trials. All of

us have had many trials and tribulations. MR. ROSS: Can you explain some of them to me?

We have all had many difficult trials and

tribulations, but we have seen God's power of deliverance, to protect, provide and deliver mightily, and -MR. ROSS: For example? She knows I'm

And she knows -- she knows who I am.

a servant of the Lord.

34 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 house? examples. A. MR. ROSS: She does? She does.

Yes, she did. MR. ROSS:

So give me some examples of some of these

trials you went through for the past nine months with Elizabeth and with Wanda. have another name, too? A. Isaiah. MR. ROSS: is easier for me. I can't even pronounce that one. And let me tell you something else. Wanda I'm Shear Jashub Esther Isaiah and Hephzibah Eladah Do you call her Wanda or does she

not going to -- I'm not going to use it as anything -because I can't even say Shear Jashub? A. You said it. MR. ROSS: Was that good? All right. But tell us Was that right?

about some of the trials over the past nine months that you've had her. A. Tell us about some of the tribulations.

We had great opposition in the world. MR. ROSS: Well, explain it. Give me some specific

Tell me about the time that you took her out of

the house without getting caught. A. It's no different. It's no different than all of

the Lord's followers and servants have had from the beginning of time. MR. PARKS: How did God tell you to get into the

35 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. A. Diego? A. The Lord mightily sustains us and provides for us. MR. PARKS: So, I take it, through that answer, that A. Great opposition. MR. PARKS: Great opposition.

Well, let's just start with some -How did you support It's just

let's just start with some basics. yourselves?

It's not a trick question.

conversation. A. We don't support ourselves. The Lord God supports

us and sustains us. MR. PARKS: In other words, you panhandle. The Lord

leads people to lay a dollar or two in your palm now and then? A. Is that right? The Lord provides for us. MR. PARKS: He sustains us.

How about recycling aluminum cans in San

you guys were recycling aluminum cans in San Diego. A. are -MR. ROSS: Nothing against the law with doing it. No. That's your accusations, and you are -- you

That's your accusation. MR. PARKS: Yes, it is. MR. PARKS: Because there's no crime behind That's not an accusation.

recycling. A. But that's your accusation.

36 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. MR. ROSS: panhandling either. A. The Lord provides for us mightily. MR. ROSS: San Diego? A. The Lord put upon the hearts of his humble followers In every instance, he works upon So where did he provide for you, again, There's no crime with, really,

to give of their substance.

the hearts of his humble followers to give of their substance, and that's how we're provided for. MR. PARKS: Well, you know, Immanuel, like I said, I You've been arrested a couple

think that you've been around. of times. A.

We think you're trying to lay the ground -Joseph Smith was arrested -MR. PARKS: Excuse me?

-- almost 50 times. MR. PARKS: Yes, he was. Well, you're kind of

laying the groundwork for the state mental hospital, as opposed to prison. And, you know, it would have worked You have been contacted by the police

except for one thing.

several times, and each time you've lied about who you were and who Elizabeth was. that you have -A. Do you think I want to go -- do you think I want to Do you think that's what I want? That gives more than ample evidence

go to a mental hospital? MR. PARKS:

Yes, because otherwise you're going to

37 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 him. A. A. A. A. A. A. go to prison and die there. A. I want -- a mental hospital to me is a worse thing

to have happen -MR. ROSS: Do I think that you have any compassion No?

for that family right now? A.

A mental hospital, to me, would be a worse thing to

have happen to me than prison. MR. PARKS: Well, I wouldn't worry about it.

But, in my mind, the Lord -- I -- I'm willing to If either -- either one

suffer whatever the Lord God will.

of those things won't be without great suffering for me, for Hepzibah, for Shear Jashub. MR. ROSS: Elizabeth? All of us are going to suffer greatly

Shear Jashub.

through this because we've been taken and we've been separated as a family. MR. ROSS: What does Shear Jashub mean?

A remnant will return. MR. ROSS: A remnant somewhere? Is that from --

From Isaiah. MR. ROSS: From Isaiah?

It means a remnant will return. MR. ROSS: Where? Will return where?

The remnant of the Lord's children will return unto A remnant means that -- that many --

38 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. A. A. A. MR. ROSS: I just -- it's an interesting name for a That's all I'm thinking. Shear

kid that's been kidnapped. Jashub, the remnant will.

That's an interesting name for a

15-year-old girl that was kidnapped from her home -A. It is -MR. ROSS: -- at knife-point.

Because I'm foreassigned and a portent to the world,

and so is she. MR. ROSS: You're what? Her

She is foreassigned and a portent to the world.

being delivered out of the world was a sign to the world that the Lord is making bear his holy arm in the eyes of all nations, and it did stir the whole world in ways that I never thought or dreamed that it would, because it's God's work and not mine. MR. ROSS: So that must be a pretty big power trip,

then, to know that you had some part in it? A. It's not. No. It's very humbling. It's very

humbling because I'm nothing and it's a testimony. MR. ROSS: That you created all this?

I didn't create anything. MR. ROSS: You had a hand in it? It's God's hand, not mine.

That's a testimony.

That's a testimony to me that God is all-powerful and almighty. I'm nothing. I'm nothing. All I can do is obey

39 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 of. A. He delivered her out of the world and commanded that A. A. A. question. A. his spirit and be obedient to what he asks me to do and then be -- and then be amazed. MR. ROSS: MR. PARKS: Did God tell you to have sex with her? Let's back -- that's a really rude

Did God tell you to take this girl for your wife? He did. MR. PARKS: He did. MR. PARKS: And where did he manifest that to you? He did?

By his Holy Spirit. MR. PARKS: When did he manifest that to you? Would

it be the day you worked on the Smart house? A. The day is immaterial. MR. PARKS: No, it's not. It is immaterial. What's

It is immaterial.

important is that he did command me and he did deliver her out of the world and out of Babylon. MR. PARKS: But we're very curious as to when he

made this apparent to you through the Holy Spirit, that you were to take Esther to be your wife. nothing to be -A. To receive her as my wife. MR. PARKS: That's certainly nothing to be ashamed It's really -- that's

40 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. A. A. date. MR. PARKS: I think you're being really rude by not It's not even a trick A. I receive her as my wife. MR. PARKS: commandment? A. You're -MR. PARKS: Was it in the fall? Yeah. And when did he make that

That -- the date mattereth not. MR. PARKS: The date matters to me. I can't give you a

Well, I don't know the date.

answering such a simple question. question. A.

It's not designed to entrap you into anything. You know what? Every single one of your questions

are trick questions, and every single one of your questions are meant to entrap me. MR. PARKS: And you know and you're lying. Here's a question.

Okay.

You're lying. MR. PARKS: MR. PARKS: Here's a question that's very direct. Okay?

You just -- you feel very justified in your lies

because you think you're doing a good thing, but yet, when you -- and you accuse me of lying because I feel directed in what I'm doing. And because you feel directed in what you're

doing, you feel justified in lying to me and deceiving me. MR. PARKS: I'm not lying.

41 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. A. Interesting. MR. PARKS: Or deceiving you.

Yes, you are. MR. PARKS: MR. ROSS: What have I lied to you about? We have asked you pretty direct

questions. A. Yes. I know you have. But then you come back and I don't want to

you say things like -- well, never mind. accuse and blame you either.

I'm just saying, you know what

I'm talking -- you know exactly what I'm talking about. MR. PARKS: You're a very interesting person to me

because I've been talking to your mom and to your brother Tim, to your daughter, to your son Travis. I've been talking

to a lot of people about you, and, you know, in all the people that I've ever met in 25 years of police work, you are the only person that ever actually read the Bible and then sold all of his worldly possessions and gave the money to the poor. You're actually the only guy that I've ever met that You're the only one. You don't think I find

has done that.

that fascinating? A. I think now you've changed your tactics to use

flattery because, awhile ago, you said that I was completely false and that I'm -- and tried to accuse me of being anything but a true servant of Lord or doing anything but being obedient to the Lord but rather just someone who is out

42 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. A. A. A. A. A. to satisfy whatever. MR. PARKS: Carnal lust. Carnal lust? You're accusing me of just wanting to

satisfy carnal lust. MR. PARKS: Well, that's because --

And being -- and being -- just being -MR. PARKS: Well, hear me out -Now, that tactic

This is what you accuse me of.

hasn't worked, so now you're going to use flattery and say, Oh, you're the only person I. MR. PARKS: Well, hear me out.

know who has done this. MR. PARKS: Well, hear me out. Hear me out. You've

got to understand -- you do understand that you're under arrest? A. I do. MR. PARKS: I do. MR. PARKS: And that potentially these charges could And you are not free to leave.

keep you in custody for the rest of your natural life. A. It mattereth not. MR. PARKS: It doesn't matter to you? As long as I'm being obedient to

It mattereth not.

the Lord, whatsoever I suffereth for him, it mattereth not. MR. PARKS: Okay. You have chosen --

43 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 lie. MR. PARKS: tangent right now. No. Don't get -- don't get off on that We are here to listen A. A. Death, prison or death, prison or death, it

mattereth not. MR. PARKS: I know that you're very --

Also Paul spent much of his life in prison. MR. PARKS: You're very committed. Okay. You're

obviously very committed.

You obviously strongly believe

that the Holy Spirit has moved you to do these things by taking Elizabeth, and God delivered her to you to be your wife. We've also covered things -- we have covered things The prophets of God

about how Jesus Christ does not lie.

do not lie, and they are proud to stand up for their actions and answer questions. You are here accused of aggravated Okay? And we are

kidnapping and aggravated sexual assault.

here -- Isaiah, we are here to listen to you and to listen to your story. A. You're saying -- you're saying that they don't

You hear me out.

to your story and your explanation, and you keep sending us off to the ozone. We ask simple, direct questions. The

question is, did you enter Elizabeth Smart's house? A. You make simple, direct accusations. MR. PARKS: admittance. And we want a simple, direct denial or You know the jury is going to listen

That's it.

44 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. A. A. A. A. to these proceedings, and we're being recorded right now. A. Uh-huh. MR. PARKS: The jury is going to listen, and they

are going to say to themselves, If he had nothing to hide and he really believed he was a prophet, why didn't he answer the most basic and simple of questions? A. Okay. Why didn't Jesus? We are not talking about Jesus. You are

MR. PARKS: not Jesus. A.

I am not Jesus. MR. PARKS: We are talking about Immanuel.

I am his servant, and I pattern my life after him. MR. ROSS: Jesus didn't take any kids out of their

homes during -A. He -MR. ROSS: -- in the middle of the night.

He is the God of the Old Testament. MR. PARKS: Excuse me. Jesus didn't take a wife.

He is the God -- that's what you say. MR. PARKS: That's what I say. That's what the

scriptures say. MR. ROSS: No. That's what the Bible says.

If you know -Are you telling me Jesus was married?

MR. PARKS:

If you know Mormon theology, exaltation is -- is --

45 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. church. MR. ROSS: MR. PARKS: I've never heard that before. Yet throughout the Mormon Church that Is is having -- is -- the highest degree of the celestial kingdom is having more than one wife, and no one -- and that's what the prophet Joseph Smith taught very clearly, and it's throughout the doctrines of the church, that no man can receive the highest degree of the celestial kingdom except he receive the law of -- of -- celestial marriage, which is -which is plurality of wives. Therefore Christ had to have

more than one -- had to have a wife and more than one wife. MR. PARKS: Well, that's not contemporary theology. It's throughout the

It's -- it's very contemporary.

they believed that all marriages had to be consensual. that not true? A. And it was consensual. MR. ROSS: It was consensual.

Did Christ take any wives by holding a

knife to their throat during the middle of the night? A. It was consensual. MR. PARKS: In the throat in the middle of the night

with threats against her family was consensual? A. Christ is God of the Old Testament, and so you don't

want to let me talk about scriptures, but then you come right back with them. MR. PARKS: I don't want to talk about the

46 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. us? A. He is telling me to give you the truth. MR. ROSS: Well, the truth would be, when we ask you A. A. scriptures. MR. ROSS: We don't want the talk about the

scriptures, but you keep bringing it up. A. You come right back at me with the scriptures. MR. ROSS: We ask you a question like --

I can't answer you. MR. PARKS: -- how did you get in the Smart house?

God delivered him to me. I can't answer -- I can't answer you any other way

than what the Lord God Almighty puts into my heart to say. That's all I can do. MR. ROSS: So he's telling you to play games with

a question like, where have you been for the past nine months with Elizabeth Smart? Well, I have been to this canyon, where I lived in this camp or I lived in San Diego. A. I can answer that -- I can answer that -- I can

answer that very truthfully to say that the Lord -- that she's been with us and that the Lord God Almighty has been with us mightily. MR. ROSS: Where have you been with her?

Throughout the land.

47 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. land. MR. PARKS: How is it -- was it the Lord God specific? A. The Lord takes us from place to place. MR. PARKS: Where has the Lord taken you so far in And when I say "where," I I'm looking for something, you MR. PARKS: Can you give us like -- be more

the past nine months with her? don't mean a general answer.

know, like the name of a city or state or, you know, location or, you know, what canyon, what campsite. A. I can only answer -- I can only answer according to

what the Lord God Almighty puts into my heart to say, and that's being truthful. taken us -MR. ROSS: That poor girl. That's being truthful, that he has

He has taken us with a mighty hand throughout the

Almighty that had to tether Elizabeth in the camp to keep her from running away? your idea? MR. ROSS: Or is that something that Christ does Was that the Lord's idea, or was that

when he wants to take a wife. MR. PARKS: to keep her there? Spirit's? A. The whole world is in bonds and chains, the bonds Do you have to tie your wife to a tether Is that your idea, or was that the Holy

48 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. A. Q. A. minute. A. The whole world -MR. ROSS: Yeah. A. and chains of inequity, great wickedness and idology. MR. PARKS: That's a tangent.

The whole world -MR. PARKS: You had to think about that one for a

The whole world. Didn't you? The whole world is in the bonds and chains of

idolatry and great wickedness. MR. PARKS: You had to -- you had to process that

question a little bit before you could answer it. A. It's only -- it's only -- you know what it is? It's

taking time -- it's taking time -MR. ROSS: It's you trying not to take

responsibility for it. A. It's taking time to listen to God -MR. PARKS: It's you trying to evade.

And let him speak -MR. PARKS: It's you trying to evade the question is

what it is. A. It's the Lord God -- giving the Lord God time. MR. ROSS: Did the Lord tell you -- did the Lord

tell you to tie her up at the campsite?

49 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. months -A. Great destructions are coming upon the earth. MR. ROSS: This is worse than Christmas Mass. A. A. It's giving the Lord God Almighty time to speak, to

take -- to pause and let him speak. MR. ROSS: the campsite? A. The whole world -- the whole world is in the chains This is the reality. Did the Lord tell you to tie her up at

of idolatry and great wickedness. MR. PARKS: Okay.

And because of that, great destruction -MR. ROSS: The reality is that for the past nine

Great destructions are coming upon the earth. MR. PARKS: Great destructions are coming upon you.

You know, this is obviously a word salad defense mechanism that you throw up when the questions get really, really tough. Okay? You just start wandering on about the

scriptures and stuff, but it's obvious to me -- you talk about tactics and interrogation. When the questions get too

tough and uncomfortable, you just start wandering off. A. I've never wandered. MR. PARKS: house at knife-point? A. Straight is the gate. MR. PARKS: Yes or no. I've stuck right straight.

Did you take Elizabeth Smart out of her

50 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. A. Straight is the gate, and narrow is the way, and I And you talk

have stayed on that straight and narrow path. about wandering?

You guys are wandering all over the place.

Trying everything and anything to -- to -- to get me to say something false, to say something false, and I will only speak the truth. MR. PARKS: All right. Only speak the truth. Did

you take Elizabeth Smart out of her house at knife-point? A. Your -MR. PARKS: Yes or no?

Your accusations are false. MR. PARKS: Then you did not and you are denying you

took Elizabeth out of her house? A. And the teachings of Hugh Nibley, who is a great

scholar in the church, he says that Satan will always accuse with the truth. MR. PARKS: You know what I think? I think you're

getting awfully uncomfortable now because you keep talking on top of us. This is getting a little too intense for you, We are getting to the real hard

isn't it, Immanuel?

questions, and you keep retreating into your spiel and your diatribe. Did you take Elizabeth out of the house at

knife-point? A. What did Christ -MR. PARKS: Yes or no?

51 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Isaiah. A. His true servants have done and do many things and A. What did Christ do? MR. PARKS: house at knife-point. MR. ROSS: to their throats. He didn't marry women by holding knives He didn't have sex with 15-year-old girls. He didn't take Elizabeth out of the

He didn't tether girls to a campsite to keep them from running away. He didn't lie to police when they asked him

who he was it's closing in on. MR. ROSS: He didn't break into peoples' houses.

And he wasn't a drunk driver. A. I'm afraid you know little of who Christ is and what

he did, because he is God, and he did many things. MR. PARKS: We're not talking about Christ. We're

talking about you, Immanuel. MR. ROSS: Brian Mitchell, aka Immanuel David

still do many things that the world will -- will kill them for. MR. PARKS: I hate -- I think we just have to get to

the core of the problem here, and the core of the problem is Isaiah. A. Imprison them and keep -MR. PARKS: No. Listen to me. Okay. You. We're getting And the real

to what the real core of the problem is.

52 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. sorrow. MR. PARKS: MR. ROSS: You are not the Lord's servant. If heaven's filled with people like you, Your story is bullshit. A. A. A. servant. MR. PARKS: You're not the Lord's servant. core is you're not a prophet, and you are not a servant of Jesus Christ. You are, indeed, Brian David Mitchell, and you

have done a really terrible, terrible thing that you need to get to. A. You have done something awful. I'll tell you, the both of you, you talk about

shame, the great shame that will be upon you both -MR. ROSS: Hey --

For talking the way -- this way to the Lord's true

And accusing me in this way. MR. PARKS: Great shame. MR. ROSS: You're not if the Lord's servant. I tell you -I

I don't feel shameful in saying it. Saying you're --

don't have -- I don't feel any shame. A. You will. MR. PARKS: I say you will. You know what --

I say you will.

You will reap great shame and

I'd be more comfortable in hell. A. You are -MR. ROSS:

You took that 15-year-old girl out of her

home at knife-point, you took her to a canyon and raped her.

53 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 it. not. A. You are -MR. ROSS: You kept her tied up at the campsite.

You traveled around the country for nine months telling her that her name was some bullshit Shear Job Esther Isaiah crap, saying that she was your wife, sealed unto God, and then, when you cop for it, oh, my God, then all of a sudden it's she's been delivered to you by Christ? A. And you're -- and then they gnashed their teeth on

Christ in their anger and their accusation against the Lord. They gnashed their teeth on him. MR. PARKS: MR. ROSS: MR. PARKS: You are not -You tire me. -- the servant of the Jesus. You are

Jesus' servants do not take little girls out of their

house -MR. ROSS: MR. PARKS: You're a child raper. -- and have sex with them. Let's face

You are Brian David Mitchell, and you are a child

molester. MR. ROSS: MR. PARKS: A criminal. A criminal who has done criminal acts

who cannot pass off his story by talking about Jesus. A. They accused the Lord. MR. PARKS: fraud, sir. You know, you are a fraud. You are a

54 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. A. MR. ROSS: MR. PARKS: You are a hypocrite. You are a hypocrite and a fraud, and

this is bullshit You are not a servant of Jesus Christ, and you need to get over that. MR. ROSS: You can take take little simple smile off

your face, like, you're, you know, some servant of the Lord bullshit and stuff it because we know the truth. The truth

is you went into the bedroom at the middle of the night and held a knife to her throat. don't think Christ ever did. And here's another thing that I I don't think he ever

threatened to kill little children. A. Suddenly you are -MR. ROSS: Then --

Suddenly someone who never read the scriptures knows

all about the scriptures and the Lord. MR. ROSS: I went to church enough times to know

that I never heard any sermons from my -- from my priest saying that, and then Jesus snuck into the bedroom at 2:00 o'clock in the morning. A. Most -MR. ROSS: And held a knife to her throat.

Most churches and sermons and leaders seek for

popularity, for power, for gain, for popularity and to satisfy. MR. ROSS: You're off the subject again. You're off

55 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. A. virgin. A. And I never have either, and my heart's not set on A. A. the subject again. You're talking about the church. We're

talking about Elizabeth. A. That's what the churches do. MR. ROSS: MR. PARKS: MR. ROSS: Brian, you're full of shit. Brian we're trying to. We're talking about you.

Trying to gain popularity. MR. ROSS: I don't care about the church right now.

To satisfy lust of the. MR. ROSS: MR. PARKS: I want to be able to explain -Well, wait a minute. I think we just

hit a nerve there. A.

Let's talk about lust of the flesh.

The lust of the flesh are all, all of those things

that you say you're heart's upon, other than Jesus Christ. MR. PARKS: You know what, my heart's not upon

screwing a 14-year-old girl, virgin. MR. ROSS: MR. PARKS: Me neither. I've never wanted to have sex with a

that either. MR. PARKS: But you did.

My heart is not -- I did not. MR. PARKS: I did not. You did.

56 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. A. A. A. A. A. MR. PARKS: I did not. MR. PARKS: Did not what? I did not. Did not?

Do what you just said. MR. PARKS: I did not. MR. PARKS:

You took a 14-year-old virgin?

To your campsite, and you had sex with

her against her will. A. You're accusing -MR. PARKS: You and Wanda showed her how to do it,

and then you made her do it. A. What you're accusing me of -MR. PARKS: And you had to tie her up at the camp.

What you're accusing me of. MR. PARKS: I'm accusing you of -- look at me. Look

at me in the eye. and rapist. A.

I'm accusing you of being a child molester

And your accusation is false. MR. ROSS: MR. PARKS: MR. ROSS: Bullshit. Bullshit. It's the truth.

You can say bullshit all you want. MR. ROSS: We are.

Your accusation is false. MR. ROSS: Guess what? I can say that, and I'm not

57 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. A. A. A. going to feel any shame over it. shame. A. I know you both. You're lifted up in the pride of You said I'm going to feel

your heart -MR. ROSS: shame at all. A. -- thinking you're righteous, but you're going to You know what, I'm not going to feel any

feel great shame and great sorrow. MR. ROSS: sorrow I feel? A. No. I don't think so. You know the

The sorrow I feel is for the Smart family.

The great destruction -MR. ROSS: The sorrow I feel is for the Smart family

and a 14-year-old girl who was taken out of her bed. A. I have more compassion -MR. ROSS: Bullshit.

I have more compassion for that family than -MR. ROSS: Then prove it and tell us the truth.

Don't give me this God bullshit I have more compassion -MR. ROSS: MR. ROSS: -- than -MR. ROSS: Then prove it. Tell us the truth. Bullshit -- for that family Bullshit.

And for Shear Jashub Esther Isaiah than you do. MR. ROSS: Tell us the truth.

I have told you nothing but the truth.

58 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. Isaiah. MR. PARKS: what we do here. A. What you're doing to her -- what you're -- what It doesn't matter -- it doesn't matter A. A. A. MR. ROSS: Tell us the truth.

I have told you nothing but the truth. MR. PARKS: MR. ROSS: Brian. You haven't told us anything. If you

want to show compassion for that family -(Officer pokes defendant.) What does this mean? MR. ROSS: you're full of shit. A. Yeah? And what's that going to lead to? I don't know. You know why I think you're full of Hear me out. Do you know what Jesus What is this leading to?

This is me telling you that I think

MR. ROSS: MR. PARKS: shit, Brian?

Listen.

said about little children?

He said that it is better for a

man to tie a millstone around his neck and jump in the lake and drown himself -A. And that's why I feel very -MR. PARKS: -- rather than harm one hair --

That's why I feel so sorry for all of you. MR. PARKS: No.

That you are doing this to Shear Jashub Esther

59 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. a child. orders. A. You're harming her. MR. ROSS: MR. PARKS: MR. ROSS: MR. PARKS: took a girl -A. You're -MR. PARKS: MR. ROSS: She was crying. MR. PARKS: -- in contradiction to scripture. -- and you harmed her. I saw her with her dad. And, guess what? No. No. We didn't have sex with her. We brought her home to her family. You A. her. MR. PARKS: That was right out of the Bible. A. you're doing to her -MR. PARKS: I really struck a nerve there, didn't I?

What you're doing to her -- what you're doing to

What you're -MR. PARKS: You have harmed a girl. You have harmed

You have gone against Jesus Christ's written

I don't doubt she was crying. MR. ROSS: Why would she be crying? She must be,

you know, somewhat distraught after the past nine months of living with you. MR. PARKS: Jesus Christ's --

60 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. A. A. mouth. MR. ROSS: Did God tell you to have sex with her? A. A. MR. ROSS: Having had to have sex with you. I mean,

how often do you shower? MR. PARKS: I mean, you have done a horrible thing,

and you're justifying it in your own mind by saying the Holy Spirit did it. A. What the two of you are doing is a sin. MR. PARKS: The scriptures say that you have sinned.

What you are doing -- what you are doing -- what you

are doing is, and what you are doing is. MR. PARKS: You have sinned a great sin.

I have been obedient unto God Almighty. MR. PARKS: You have sinned against the

commandments. A. I have been obedient to God Almighty. MR. ROSS: God told you to have sex with her? You're trying to put words in my

You have sinned.

Your accusations against me are false. MR. ROSS: That's a simple question. Yes or no.

Did God -A. You're accusations -MR. ROSS: Tell you to have sex with her?

I told you -- I told you your accusations against me

are false.

61 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. A. A. question. A. Your accusations are false. MR. ROSS: have sex with her? A. Your questions are false. MR. ROSS: Did God tell you to have sex with her? It's a question. Did God tell you to MR. ROSS: I'm not accusing you. I'm asking you a

Your questions are false. MR. ROSS: Is she the only child that God has ever

told you to have sex with? A. Your questions are immaterial. They make no sense.

They make no sense. MR. ROSS: Yes or no? A. Because I never -- I never said God told me to do If some of the -- then give me an answer.

any such thing, and he never did. MR. PARKS: MR. ROSS: MR. PARKS: So, wait a minute. Back up. Back up.

God never told you to have sex with her? God told you to take her as your wife.

You told us that just a little while ago. A. Exactly. MR. ROSS: And that's all I told you. So you decided to have sex with her?

I told you -- I told you -MR. ROSS: Don't face the wall.

I told you --

62 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. A. A. A. A. A. Jesus -MR. PARKS: And look at us when you talk to us. MR. ROSS: Hang on a second.

I told you that I was obedient unto the Lord God

-- in receiving her. MR. ROSS: Why are you shutting your eyes when you

talk to us? A. I told you that I was obedient unto the Lord God

Almighty in receiving her. MR. ROSS: Okay.

And to -- as my wife. MR. ROSS: Okay. So God didn't will you to have sex

with her, he just told you to receive her as her wife -- as your wife? A. That's all I told you that God told me. MR. ROSS: Okay. So, then, you took it upon

yourself to have sex with her? A. Your accusations are false. MR. ROSS: I am asking.

Your accusations are false. MR. PARKS: So you've never had sex with her? In the -- in what

Your accusations are false.

you're accusing me of, there is no truth. MR. PARKS: So you have not had sex with her?

In your words -- in your words and what you're

63 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. Brian. MR. ROSS: Now you're -- look up here. Give one of accusing me of, there is no truth. MR. PARKS: You know, you're just so full of shit, Look

you can't even look me in the eye when you talk to me.

me in the eye like a man when you tell me your lies, okay. A. You're -MR. ROSS: MR. PARKS: You're not looking at him. You're not looking at me. Did you have

sex with Esther, yes or no, as your wife that God said was okay to do? A. Did you or did you not?

What are you -- how are you determining -MR. PARKS: MR. ROSS: Look me in the eye. Don't answer like Bill Clinton. Answer

the question.

Did you have sex with her? You can't even look me in the eye,

MR. PARKS:

us eye contact when you answer the question. A. Why -- why -- why -- why -- should I submit to your

control over me? MR. ROSS: Well, you know what? Because Elizabeth

had to submit to your control -A. Why -- why -MR. ROSS: -- for nine months.

Why should I submit to your accusations? MR. ROSS: Why should Elizabeth have to submit to --

64 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Okay. A. A. A. eyes. MR. ROSS: I have. MR. ROSS: Oh, now you're telling me -- now you are. No you haven't. A. control? A. Your contempt, your hate, your ridicule, your A. A. A. Your eyes -MR. ROSS: -- your control.

In your eyes are your accusations -MR. ROSS: Why should Elizabeth submit to your -Your contempt.

-- your contempt. MR. ROSS:

Why should Elizabeth submit to your

condemnation. MR. ROSS: You're damn right we condemn guys who

have sex with 15-year-old girls. A. And I'm supposed -- I'm supposed to look into your

eyes and receive that hate, that condemnation? MR. PARKS: You know, I. MR. PARKS: -- you don't answer. That's because --

You know, I've been looking into both of your

So let me ask you this question. Why should I submit to your control and look in your

eyes when you tell me things? MR. ROSS: Why should Elizabeth submit to your

65 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. A. no? A. According the your question, no, I did not. MR. PARKS: I did not. MR. PARKS: I did not. She says that you did. According -You did not? A. A. A. A. Esther? A. control? Why should Elizabeth submit to your control? MR. PARKS: MR. ROSS: Just Look at me -You talk about control. Why should

Elizabeth submit to your control? house? A. I never controlled her. MR. PARKS: Yes or no. What was your name again? MR. PARKS: Parks. MR. PARKS: Parks. MR. PARKS: Parks. MR. PARKS: Yes or no? Parks.

Why should she leave her

Brian, have you ever had sex with

Answer the question.

Did you have sex with Elizabeth?

All I have done has been out of obedience to the

Lord God Almighty. MR. PARKS: So, did you have sex with her? Yes or

66 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 not? A. A. A. MR. PARKS: Is she lying? I did not.

Your question is false. MR. PARKS: I did not. MR. PARKS:

You need to defend yourself.

You did not have sex with Esther?

Look

me in the eye. A. Parks, I'm looking you in the eye, and I say to your

question, no. MR. PARKS: You did not have sex with Elizabeth?

I say to your question, no. MR. PARKS: Good. Now we're finally getting Yes or

somewhere. no?

Did you enter Ed Smart's house on June 4? Don't go away.

Look me in the eye.

Even if it's -- if But

you want to deny it, that's okay.

We want your story.

you keep closing your eyes and refusing to answer. enter Ed Smart's house? A. Your question -MR. PARKS: MR. ROSS: MR. PARKS: Yes or no? Yes or no? Simple.

Did you

Look me in the eye.

Did you or did you Either one is

I want' a denial or I want an admission.

fine with me. the night? A.

Did you enter Ed Smart's house on June 4, in

Yes or no, Brian.

My name is Immanuel. MR. PARKS: Immanuel.

67 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. Lord. A. I said I was a servant of the Lord. MR. ROSS: So, as a servant of the Lord, did you A. A. David Isaiah. MR. PARKS: Open your eyes and look at me. Did you

enter Ed Smart's house on June 4, yes or no? It's a yes or no question. MR. ROSS: MR. PARKS:

Yes or no?

You know you want to answer.

Yes or no?

If you want to stand on your actions Yes or no?

as a prophet of God, it's time to answer. A. You don't respect me as such. MR. PARKS: I do not.

No, you don't. MR. PARKS: Because you lie to me. You won't even

look me in the eye when you lie to me. A. And I have never said that I was a prophet of God. MR. ROSS: No. You said you were a servant of the

enter Ed Smart's house on the night of June 4 and take Elizabeth from her bedroom at knife-point? A. All of this -MR. ROSS: MR. PARKS: the question. MR. ROSS: To what. Then we can move on. Yes or no? Yes or no? We just want an answer to

68 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 bedroom? A. Your question is an accusation. MR. ROSS: The question is a question, nothing more, A. A. MR. PARKS: MR. ROSS: MR. PARKS: answering. It's a yes or no answer. Yes or no. You're thinking, Brian, you're not

Truthful answers don't need to be thought out Every time you look down and close your

ahead of time. eyes -A.

You know what?

Do you know what?

I've already

answered that question. MR. ROSS: No, you haven't.

Over and over again. MR. PARKS: No, you have not. You have never once

answered the question. A. Yes, I have. MR. PARKS: off on tangents. A. I said that your -- that your question -MR. ROSS: No. Your eyes are shut again. You have been evasive, and you've gone

I say that your question is an accusation. MR. ROSS: No. The question is, did you, on the

night of June 4, go into the the Smart house? A. Your question -MR. ROSS: And take Elizabeth Smart from her

69 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. A. heart. MR. PARKS: Did you just say that you did? A. A. A. and it deserves a yes or no answer. A. And I told -- I told you I have already answered you

according to the spirit of the Lord Almighty. MR. ROSS: MR. PARKS: MR. ROSS: No, you didn't. You did not answer the question. You didn't answer the question.

I told you -MR. ROSS: You didn't answer the question. I did answer the question. You tell me you answered

I told you I did. MR. ROSS:

No, you didn't.

the question but -A. According to the Lord. MR. ROSS: -- you didn't.

According to the Lord. MR. PARKS: Wait a minute. Wait a minute.

According the what the Lord Almighty put into my

I said I answered your question according to what

the Lord God Almighty put into my heart to say. MR. PARKS: Well, the Lord God Almighty put into

your heart nothing, because your answer was evasive. A. evasive. You -- that's your accusation, that I was being I know I'm being truthful. MR. PARKS: No, sir. My accusation is that you are

70 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 with you? A. I'm telling you, I have never raped anybody. You A. A. A. children. A. All that I have done -- all that I have -MR. PARKS: the world here -A. I never -MR. PARKS: -- to tell us what happened? We are giving you every opportunity in a burglar and child rapist. MR. ROSS: MR. PARKS: And kidnapper. Those are my accusations, and I'm

waiting to hear your explanation. A. And I am telling you and testifying to you that I am

a servant of the Lord Jesus Christ. MR. PARKS: A servant of the Lord doesn't rape

I never raped anybody. MR. ROSS: So, she consented to it?

I never raped anybody. MR. ROSS: Did she consent to have sex with you?

I'm just telling you, I have never raped anybody. MR. ROSS: Okay. So, did she consent to have sex

are accusing me of rape. anybody. MR. ROSS:

I'm telling you I have never raped

Did you tie her to a tether somewhere so

that she wouldn't be able to leave your campsite?

71 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. to say. MR. ROSS: Did the Lord put it into your heart to A. A. I have already answered your question. MR. ROSS: MR. PARKS: No. You didn't answer that.

You didn't answer the question.

I've already answered your question according -MR. ROSS: You didn't answer that one.

-- to what the Lord God Almighty put into my heart

tether that girl so she wouldn't be able to run away from you. MR. PARKS: MR. ROSS: It's a yes or no question, Brian. It's a yes or no question.

No, it's not a yes or no question. MR. PARKS: Yes, it is, Brian.

No, it's not. MR. ROSS: Did --

You're saying -MR. ROSS: -- God --

You're saying -MR. ROSS: -- tell --

You're saying -MR. ROSS: -- you to tie her down --

You're saying -MR. ROSS: -- so that she wouldn't --

You're saying --

72 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. A. A. A. A. A. MR. ROSS: -- run away from you?

You're saying -MR. PARKS: It's a yes or no question.

But that's what you're saying. MR. PARKS: It's a yes or no question. You know

you're words are now getting into jibberish because, Brian, I think we're getting to you, Hun. We are getting to the very

core of you, of Brian Mitchell, who is not -- who is not David Isaiah Immanuel. Mitchell. A. You know that you're really Brian

You know that. This is like -- this is like -- this is like Job. MR. PARKS: No, it's not like Job.

This is like Job. MR. ROSS: You're nothing like him.

This is like -MR. PARKS: You're not a servant of God.

This is like Job when his best friends -- and you're

not my best friends, of course -MR. ROSS: Job didn't kidnap girls.

But you'd like me to think you are. MR. ROSS: Job didn't kidnap 14-year-old girls and

have sex with them? A. Job -- Job had his best friends come to him to

convince him that he had sinned. MR. PARKS: Look at me when I talk to you.

73 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 throat. A. You poked me. MR. ROSS: You poked me. And he took my chin. A. A. A. me. MR. PARKS: Yes. MR. PARKS: You both -MR. PARKS: look in my eyes. A. No. Both of those were assaults. Brian. There's just an intent to get you to There's no intent. This is assaulting? A. A. A. (Officer touches defendant's chin.) Now, if you -- when you do that, you see, you're

assaulting me. MR. PARKS: I am not.

You're assaulting -MR. PARKS: I just want you to look me in the eye. Now you both physically assaulted

He assaulted me.

MR. PARKS:

You grabbed my chin, and you -MR. ROSS: You know what else is assault? You know

what else is assault? A. -- you poked me. MR. ROSS: Putting a knife to a 14-year-old girl's

And you took a knife and held it to

Elizabeth's throat and took her out of the house and raped

74 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. A. A. A. this -(Officer poking defendant.) You're -MR. ROSS: -- when you're taking your dick out and A. truth. MR. PARKS: MR. ROSS: That's a fact. That's a fact. her and kept her for nine months. couldn't run away from you. A. Your accusations are false. MR. ROSS: That's not an accusation. That's the You tied her down so she

Your accusations are false. MR. ROSS: And you want to talk about me doing

having sex with a 14-year-old girl -A. You're -MR. ROSS: -- against her consent?

Your accusations are false. MR. ROSS: So she consented to it?

I have only done what the Lord God Almighty

commanded me to do. MR. ROSS: 14-year-old girl? A. He commanded me to receive Shear Jashub. MR. ROSS: What does that mean, to receive a girl? The Lord commanded you to have sex with a

To receive her as my wife.

75 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 do? A. MR. ROSS: does that entail? MR. PARKS: Brian, you're closing your eyes again. What does that mean to receive her? What

I can't -- I can't -- I can't talk anything to you

about what it entails -- what anything entails beyond what the Lord God puts in my heart to say. MR. ROSS: So, when he says receive her, what do you

If God tells you to receive her as your wife, what do What do you do? You're asking me -- you're asking me to talk about

you do? A.

things which are sacred and holy.

Sign up to vote on this title
UsefulNot useful