Ukedchat Archive 10 February 2011

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dajbelshaw 19:57 WE'RE OFF! #ukedchat for the next hour. We're discussing: What's the
purpose of education? Are we headed in right direction? #purposed
New Post: #ukedchat TONIGHT about #purposed: As youâ€™ll already
anderscj2 19:57 know, #ukedchat is a weekly hour-l... http://bit.ly/e49vEc by
@dajbelshaw
What is the purpose of education? #ukedchat doesn't shy from the big
dughall 19:57
topics! Join in in a couple of minutes.
headteacher01 19:57 gove has a purpose in education? #ukedchat
RT @dajbelshaw: Pretty much everything you need to know for
triptico_eLearn 19:58 #ukedchat tonight is collated here: http://bit.ly/ukedchat-purposed
(Please RT!) #purposed
cheersphilip 19:58
a good blog about #purposed here http://bit.ly/3CPArV #ukedchat
#ukedchat The current government has no idea where it is going it
lordlangley73 19:59
seems. Very misdirected.
Grevster73 19:59 #ukedchat tonight is collated here: http://bit.ly/ukedchat-purposed
didactylos 19:59 #ukedchat one of the reasons I am leaving education is that i have
profound reservations about education here over the next few years
#ukedchat I think #purposed heading in the the right direction -
theokk 19:59
politicians the highway to hell
Ok, here we go. It's 8pm. @dajbelshaw is hosting this #ukedchat
ukedchat 19:59 special 'What is the purpose of education. Are we heading in the right
way?'
cheersphilip 20:00 RT @GaryAveryICT: Doesn't education go round in circles anyway? We

seem to recycle old ideas quite often. #ukedchat
philallman1 20:00 #ukedchat total contradiction in policy from current gov.
RT @rmsimonwilliams: @dajbelshaw #ukedchat do we need to agree
dajbelshaw 20:00 on "what good education is?" before we can answer "are we on right
path?"
Doesn't education go round in circles anyway? We seem to recycle old
GaryAveryICT 20:00
ideas quite often. #ukedchat
Will be dropping in and out of #ukedchat this week but it sounds
familysimpson 20:00
AMAZING! Follow the stream!!
iDais 20:00 #ukedchat
RT @cheersphilip: seems to be a question between fit for jobs/ed for
dajbelshaw 20:00
life #ukedchat
#ukedchat. Teaching is too linked to society to give a conclusive
PeacockMaths 20:00 answer. But for me the answer is no (for many reasons) and yes (for a
few)
rmsimonwilliams 20:00 @ukedchat @dajbelshaw #ukedchat do we need to agree on "what

good education is?" before we can answer "are we on right path?"
#ukedchat Is education about preparation for as successful,
dughall 20:00
independent, happy life as is possible?
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cheersphilip 20:00
seems to be a question between fit for jobs/ed for life #ukedchat
@lordlangley73 Surely the *does* know where it's going with
dajbelshaw 20:00
education. And that's the problem? #ukedchat
cheersphilip 20:01 @cleverfiend yes - it gets complicated #ukedchat
dughall 20:01 @4goggas Yes #ukedchat
Education in a special school is preparing students for life as
cleverfiend 20:01 competent responsible citizens - are mainstream schools different?
#ukedchat
4goggas 20:01 #ukedchat Is it now?!
@didactylos #ukedchat quite a few other countries seem to be going
theokk 20:01
in other direction to UK (well England anyway)
cheersphilip 20:01 @57mason what direction is that? #ukedchat
RT @ukedchat: Are you joining @dajbelshaw for #ukedchat in 20
familysimpson 20:01 minutes discussing the purpose of education. Are we going in the right
direction?
57mason 20:01
@lordlangley73 #ukedchat sadly it has a very clear direction
dajbelshaw 20:01 RT @GaryAveryICT: Doesn't education go round in circles anyway? We

seem to recycle old ideas quite often. #ukedchat <--*Should* we be?
familysimpson 20:01 #ukedchat tonight is collated here: http://bit.ly/ukedchat-purposed
RT @philallman1: #ukedchat total contradiction in policy from current
cheersphilip 20:01
gov.
cheersphilip 20:02 @TheHeadsOffice 'has to be' is that realistic? #ukedchat
headteacher01 20:02 Is the purpose for the individual, or for society? #ukedchat
CliveBuckley 20:02 Not 'HE'!!! #ukedchat
dajbelshaw 20:02
RT @CliveBuckley: I am HE #ukedchat <--#awesome (who else? FE?) :-)
TheHeadsOffice 20:02 #ukedchat It has to be preparation for life experiences
RT @colport: current education system was designed for an Industrial
ianpocock 20:02 Revolution age...Modern purposes need to be updated #ukedchat <
v.true
CliveBuckley 20:02 I am HE #ukedchat
RT @colport: The current education system was designed for an
cheersphilip 20:02 Industrial Revolution age...Modern purposes need to be updated
#ukedchat
Any HE folks joining us for #ukedchat tonight to discuss the purpose of
dajbelshaw 20:02
education? #purposed
john_at_muuua 20:02 RT @GaryAveryICT: Doesn't education go round in circles anyway? We

seem to recycle old ideas quite often. #ukedchat
colport 20:02 The current education system was designed for an Industrial
Revolution age...Modern purposes need to be updated #ukedchat
philallman1 20:02 @cleverfiend No its is not! #ukedchat
Is the GCSE the culmination of 2k years of neurological evolution? Ian
MrAColley 20:02
Gilbert #ukedchat
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What direction *should* we be heading in education? #ukedchat
dajbelshaw 20:03
#purposed
albanystreet 20:03 Education should be transformative and empowering, enabling people

to engage in civic society and the common wealth #ukedchat
TheHeadsOffice 20:03 #ukedchat Do we need to use two hash tags? #purposed
john_at_muuua 20:03 'the perfect dinner party guest' -AC Grayling #ukedchat
Obvious point but I'd guess most would agree the purpose of
te_ach_er 20:03 education lies in skills, NOT learning facts e.g. historical dates
#ukedchat
cheersphilip 20:03 @57mason LOL #ukedchat
#ukedchat think various stakeholders have different expectations -
theokk 20:03
students voice usually last to be heard
RT @ukedchat: #ukedchat tip 1 - If the stream is going too fast for you,
familysimpson 20:03
use http://twitterfall.com/
SkoorBttaM 20:03 Industrial Revolution age...Modern purposes need to be updated
#ukedchat
57mason 20:03
@cheersphilip divide and conquer, academy or bust #ukedchat
cheersphilip 20:03 @john_at_muuua information age #ukedchat
#ukedchat purpose = to prepare for life? to pass exams? to get jobs? to
rmsimonwilliams 20:03
understand the world? to be better people?
philallman1 20:03 As Brennan said on Tues eve in #edbill debate #gove is creating 'An
analogue curriculum for a digital age' #ukedchat
CliveBuckley 20:03 Higher ed #ukedchat
Rose review was about skills, but now it's going to be about
GaryAveryICT 20:03
knowledge... #ukedchat
bucharesttutor 20:03 Purpose of education is definitely compulsory as we need to teach our

S's the difference between love and war #ukedchat
RT @headteacher01: Is the purpose for the individual, or for society?
dajbelshaw 20:03
#ukedchat
john_at_muuua 20:03 @colport what age are we living in now? #ukedchat
@theokk #ukedchat indeed, leaving us further behind with the 'retro'
didactylos 20:04
Gradgrind Gove 'Reforms'.
bucharesttutor 20:04 We are living in an age where technology rules and Twitter and
Facebook help us in better n effective communication #ukedchat
albanystreet 20:04 @te_ach_er I wouldn't agree! I am very apprehensive about the skills
agenda - who says employers know best? #ukedchat
57mason 20:04 @cheersphilip glad you find it funny #ukedchat
Education should help people achieve their potential - however that is
CliveBuckley 20:04
measured / defined #ukedchat
TheHeadsOffice 20:04 RT @theokk: #ukedchat think various stakeholders have different

expectations - students voice usually last to be heard #purposed
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agree RT @lordlangley73: #ukedchat Surely we should be empowering
cheersphilip 20:04 the pupils to learn to be learners? Not jusâ€¦ (cont)
http://deck.ly/~LnEmT
@cheersphilip ok, in this 'information age' why are we using a 19th
john_at_muuua 20:04
century approach to education? #ukedchat
ianpocock 20:04 @albanystreet couldn't agree more #ukedchat
RT @TheHeadsOffice: #ukedchat Do we need to use two hash tags?
dajbelshaw 20:04
#purposed <--I am! :-D
curricadvocate 20:04 @philallman1 #ukedchat great analogy!!
#ukedchat Surely we should be empowering the pupils to learn to be
lordlangley73 20:04 learners? Not just let them learn knowledgâ€¦ (cont)
http://deck.ly/~TDoNE
RT @john_at_muuua: 'the perfect dinner party guest' -AC Grayling
dajbelshaw 20:04
#ukedchat <--Dinner parties?!
RT @albanystreet: Education should be transformative and
ianpocock 20:04 empowering, enabling people to engage in civic society and the
common wealth #ukedchat
@rmsimonwilliams but what do half of those questions mean?
cheersphilip 20:04
#ukedchat
@dajbelshaw @rmsimonwilliams don't think u can define "good"
jamesmichie 20:04
education. will b diff/ 4 everyone. #ukedchat
@john_at_muuua I take your point. I was meaning it was devised a
colport 20:04 good 150 years ago. Needs of inds and society have changed.
#ukedchat
@dajbelshaw @john_at_muuua #ukedchat sry in 140 chars can't
elaborate! just trying to get chat/ideas going
I'd like Less paperwork, more freedom to innovate without fear of
GaryAveryICT 20:05
judgmental politicians getting in the way #ukedchat
CliveBuckley 20:05 @headteacher01 How do you teach 'innovation' #ukedchat
john_at_muuua 20:05
@colport have the needs of individuals changed? #ukedchat
@jamesmichie @dajbelshaw @rmsimonwilliams and that is why a one
PeacockMaths 20:05
size fits all doesn't work #ukedchat
#ukedchat to be honest this is a bit like asking how long a piece of
Mackers1969 20:05
string is!
@bucharesttutor only to a few of us - the majority still scared of digital
cheersphilip 20:05
lives #ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:05 evening all... sorry I'm late. #UkEdChat
@headteacher01 Do we need facts? Is it OK to always have to look
dajbelshaw 20:05
them up? #ukedchat
curricadvocate 20:05 #ukedchat is anyone else concerned that none of the aims of the
curriculum stated by #gove actually mention children?
RT @lordlangley73: #ukedchat Surely we should be empowering the
jamesmichie 20:05 pupils to learn to be learners? Not just let them learn knowledgâ€¦
(cont) http://deck.ly/~TDoNE
colport 20:05
@ianpocock Yes, but it didn't when it was devised #ukedchat
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headteacher01 20:05 Is the purpose to prepare the next generation of innovative citizens, or
to be part of a good pub quiz team? #ukedchat
cheersphilip 20:05 @john_at_muuua it dissappointing, i know :( #ukedchat
Iris_Connect 20:06 We live in a world where info is everywhere we need to teach children
how to analyse and differentiate what they discover #ukedchat
@colport no gov will - political suicide - low chance of success
cheersphilip 20:06
#ukedchat
Shoud be how to find, filter, verify, classify, store & present info.
MrAColley 20:06
#ukedchat
albanystreet 20:06 @bucharesttutor Do they rule or have they just facilitated new forms
of engagement? What are the 'offline' implications? #ukedchat
RT @TheHeadsOffice: #ukedchat It has to be preparation for life
Mackers1969 20:06
experiences - who determines which ones though?
rmsimonwilliams 20:06 RT @john_at_muuua: I know this is #ukedchat, but are the needs and
direction of education different in different countries?
universityboy 20:06 #ukedchat What direction should we be heading in education? Can we

be 'we'? And is education formal, informal, or both in different ways?
theokk 20:06 @dajbelshaw #ukedchat need to carefully take in the whole map, and
have an escape route, before choosing the direction - #purposed
I know this is #ukedchat, but are the needs and direction of education
john_at_muuua 20:06
different in different countries?
RT @john_at_muuua: @colport have the needs of individuals
CliveBuckley 20:06
changed? #ukedchat Nice point
familysimpson 20:06 Industrial Revolution age...Modern purposes need to be updated
#ukedchat
@andreacarr1 Do we start the education system from scratch (in an
colport 20:06
utopian sense)? Current gvt won't #ukedchat
SkoorBttaM 20:06 RT @headteacher01: Is the purpose to prepare the next generation of

innovative citizens, or to be part of a good pub quiz team? #ukedchat
@john_at_muuua from when? 150 years ago, or from 1988?
cheersphilip 20:06
#ukedchat
dajbelshaw 20:06 RT @Mackers1969: #ukedchat to be honest this is a bit like asking how
long a piece of string is! <--Important to discuss though!
dajbelshaw 20:07
@camaxwell Should they be different? #ukedchat #purposed
anpa2001 20:07 RT @philallman1: As Brennan said on Tues eve in #edbill debate #gove
is creating 'An analogue curriculum for a digital age' #ukedchat
RT @Iris_Connect: We live in a world where info is everywhere we
lisibo 20:07 need to teach children how to analyse and differentiate what they
discover #ukedchat
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curricadvocate 20:07 @john_at_muuua #ukedchat - undoubtedly, although the best
curricula across the world all share a common goal - progress for pupils
jamesmichie 20:07
@TheHeadsOffice @dajbelshaw or opt out of society. #ukedchat
cleverfiend 20:07 @13SciDave I guess the diversity of opinion is about how we prepare
students for life after education rather than the need #ukedchat
Are we just talking about school education or lifelong learning this eve
Creativeedu 20:07
please? #UkEdChat
cheersphilip 20:07 RT @te_ach_er: @albanystreet What about social skills, perseverance,

ability to achieve a goal and so on? #ukedchat
@john_at_muuua - #ukedchat - not sure they are that different? or at
lisibo 20:07
least., they shouldn't be that different.
@albanystreet What about social skills, perseverance, ability to
te_ach_er 20:07
achieve a goal and so on? #ukedchat
nellmog 20:07 #ukedchat I don't necessarily we should be trying to define 'good

education' but looking at what skills students should gain
jackieschneider 20:07 #ukedchat - I worry that the unspoken purpose of our education
system is childcare + producing compliant workforce
What u NEED to learn, what u WANT to learn and what OTHERS WANT
camaxwell 20:07 u to learn are different and have different purposes. #ukedchat
#purposed
@headteacher01 yes we need to educate the next generation with all
bucharesttutor 20:07 our knowledge and experience showing the leveller called LIFE
#ukedchat
SkoorBttaM 20:07 RT @GaryAveryICT: I'd like Less paperwork, more freedom to innovate
without fear of judgmental politicians getting in the way #ukedchat
dajbelshaw 20:07 RT @MrAColley: Shoud be how to find, filter, verify, classify, store &
present info. #ukedchat <--Education just about 'information'?
@MrAColley no, what about practical skills, what about expression of
cheersphilip 20:07
self? #ukedchat
@john_at_muuua Deep philosophical question! On a basic human
colport 20:07 level, no. For higher level needs, then yes. If that makes sense!
#ukedchat
lordlumey 20:07 The purpose of education should be to create a society that functions
better. British government policy is not helping. #ukedchat
bucharesttutor 20:08 @cheersphilip that's where we need to continuously update ourselves

so that we see our students following is and not likewise #ukedchat
dawnhallybone 20:08 education derives from latin to 'draw forth from within' surely we
should enables students to think, write or find own path #ukedchat
ClaireJoanne35 20:08 @nellmog this is a good point #ukedchat
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@albanystreet people too scared - don;t forget the majority of ppl in
cheersphilip 20:08
UK still very shy of digital #ukedchat
andreacarr1 20:08 @colport Very hard. Much money tied up in the examination system.
Big companies making big money. #ukedchat
@MrAColley exactly education is not a passing of info #ukedchat it's
Iris_Connect 20:08
about experience discovery
How many educators are ICT illiterate? Do we need
JOHNSAYERS 20:08 organisations/industry to write school friendly introductory core skills
#ukedchat
Is the current UK policy to keep our young ignorant so they will not
CliveBuckley 20:08
question government? #ukedchat
@dajbelshaw Nope, but 'search & select' are increasingly vital skills.
MrAColley 20:08
#ukedchat
TheHeadsOffice 20:08 @Mackers1969 Good point! #purposed #ukedchat
@zakmensah Yes, just follow hashtag. #ukedchat gets a bit crazy!
dajbelshaw 20:08
#purposed
@albanystreet well the employers will determine the success of
headteacher01 20:08
education,if not then no job #ukedchat
cheersphilip 20:08
@nellmog what about what experience they should gain? #ukedchat
albanystreet 20:08 @colport - Why not? The world is in an incredible state of flux - grab
the opportunity to rip it up and start again #ukedchat
CliveBuckley 20:09 Hevtic tonight - for such a nebulous subject! #ukedchat
@jamesmichie #ukedchat #purposed but that's the joy of 'learning' be
theokk 20:09
boring if the outcomes were predictable
camaxwell 20:09 I think too much emphasis is put on compulsory education & too much
pressures on pupils. It's NOT their only chance. #ukedchat #purposed
RT @camaxwell: What u NEED to learn, what u WANT to learn and
57mason 20:09 what OTHERS WANT u to learn are different and have different
purposes. #ukedchat #purposed
RT @dawnhallybone: education derives from latin to 'draw forth from
SkoorBttaM 20:09 within' surely we should enables students to think, write or find own
path #ukedchat
philallman1 20:09 @dawnhallybone sadly if all words allowed for literal latin meaning
Gove would be talking out of his rectum - oh you're right ;) #ukedchat
cheersphilip 20:09 @bucharesttutor what about the continuing and immutable body of
knowledge represented by old style teaching? #ukedchat
@dajbelshaw the decision about which facts are relevant is the bit that
headteacher01 20:09
concerns me, seems so arbitary #ukedchat
dughall 20:09 @CreativeEdu ...or should do at least. #UkEdChat
albanystreet 20:09 @te_ach_er The soft skills... My worry is that they aren't a focus in
policy - the focus to me seems to be functional lit/numeracy #ukedchat
RT @Creativeedu: Are we just talking about school education or
TheHeadsOffice 20:09
lifelong learning this eve please? #UkEdChat
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@ianpocock Do you think? The school/education system has always
colport 20:09 benefited the upper classes. #ukedchat Private & Grammar v comp
schools etc.
how about the first thing to do with UK education is stop changing the
john_at_muuua 20:09
direction every 6 months! #ukedchat
dughall 20:09
@CreativeEdu One leads inextricably to the other. #UkEdChat
Creativeedu 20:09 @CliveBuckley loving your cynicism! #UkEdChat
nellmog 20:09
@cheersphilip and experiences they should have #ukedchat
curricadvocate 20:09 @CreativeEdu #ukedchat I would always understand school education

as a prep for lifelong learning and successful participation in society
RT @camaxwell: What u NEED to learn, what u WANT to learn and
Totallywired77 20:09 what OTHERS WANT u to learn are different and have different
purposes. #ukedchat #purposed
@dajbelshaw @camaxwell Yes, young people can be naive, many
jamesmichie 20:09 things they don't appreciate they need to know/be able to do.
#ukedchat
dajbelshaw 20:09
@MrAColley But not the purpose of education. ;-) #ukedchat
dughall 20:09 RT @CreativeEdu: Are we just talking about school education or

lifelong learning this eve please? #UkEdChat <- Not mutually exclusive
RT @gideonwilliams: @jamesmichie #ukedchat certainly not definable
jamesmichie 20:10
by %s <-- exactly!
MrAColley 20:10 @Iris_Connect @cheersphillip @dajbelshaw Point conceeded - was

thinking too narrowly in tech terms. #ukedchat
CliveBuckley 20:10 RT @cheersphilip: current crop of teachers taught to be infinitely

flexible - bad for proffessional view of self #ukedchat Tell us more!!!!
RT @rmsimonwilliams: @lisibo #ukedchat just crashed my tweetdeck
dajbelshaw 20:10
:(
ClaireJoanne35 20:10 @john_at_muuua yes that would help! #ukedchat
rmsimonwilliams 20:10 @lisibo #ukedchat just crashed my tweetdeck :(
RT @jamesmichie: @dughall @creativeedu I think they r one in same
cheersphilip 20:10 thing. That's what purpose of edu, shld be - to create learner who love
to learn. #ukedchat
RT @colport: @albanystreet What government would be brave (or
cheersphilip 20:10 foolish) enough? I cannot see anyone being voted in on the back of the
premise #ukedchat
bucharesttutor 20:10 @albanystreet they certainly rule our present world n yes the "offline"
implications would be lack of privacy n discretion #ukedchat
@dughall @creativeedu I think they r one in same thing. That's what
jamesmichie 20:10 purpose of edu, shld be - to create learner who love to learn.
#ukedchat
@headteacher01 not arbitrary just from #gove's old textbooks
philallman1 20:10
#ukedchat
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@albanystreet What government would be brave (or foolish) enough?
colport 20:10 I cannot see anyone being voted in on the back of the premise
#ukedchat
@dawnhallybone does the purpose of education change depending on
john_at_muuua 20:10
the age group concerned? #ukedchat
andreacarr1 20:10 Struggling with speed of this #ukedchat twitter fall :)
@headteacher01 Skills at least as important, but without facts where
dajbelshaw 20:10
would you start? #ukedchat
current crop of teachers taught to be infinitely flexible - bad for
cheersphilip 20:10
proffessional view of self #ukedchat
dajbelshaw 20:11 For those people following me thinking WTF? I'm moderating
#ukedchat tonight. More sedentary tweeting resumes in 45 mins... ;-)
@andreacarr1 With our current gov, that is not likely to change soon
colport 20:11
at all :-s #ukedchat
Education is what is left behind when what has been learned has been
philallman1 20:11
forgotten - Skinner #ukedchat
So J Oliver has moved out of the school Kitchen and into the
Nharrison2 20:11
classroom. http://bit.ly/ft0YBW #ukedchat
@john_at_muuua no surely resilience, perseverance, social skills go
dawnhallybone 20:11
across age range #ukedchat
I didn't learn to learn until I finished formal education... does that
Creativeedu 20:11
suggest it was broken? #UkEdChat
RT @dawnhallybone: education derives from latin to 'draw forth from
nellmog 20:11 within' surely we should enables students to think, write or find own
path #ukedchat
@rmsimonwilliams - I hope you're not blaming me personally ;o) It is a
lisibo 20:11
lively #ukedchat this pm!
albanystreet 20:11 @colport Sadly none I suspect but it shouldn't stop us demanding it!
Look at Egypt - who'd have thought that'd happen? #ukedchat
CllrVickyMD 20:11 RT @philallman1: As Brennan said on Tues eve in #edbill debate #gove
#ukedchat Education means one thing to individual, another to wider
universityboy 20:11 community. Meanings change frequently in both cases & in all
directions.
cheersphilip 20:11
@CliveBuckley rings true, doesn;t it? not my words #ukedchat
RT @Smichael920: Could the move away from the arts by gov be
smile2learn 20:11 because we measure what's easy to measure rather than what we
value? #edchat #ukedchat
RT @cheersphilip: LOL RT @dajbelshaw: For those people following me
bellaale 20:12 thinking WTF? I'm moderating #ukedchat tonight. More sedentary
tweeting resumes in 45
jamesmichie 20:12 @CreativeEdu Yes, in some ways. My edu was the same & now as an
educator I can c that my edu could have been better. #ukedchat
what i want is a more cohesive system, joining the dots and giving
john_at_muuua 20:12
students skills to enhance their lives #ukedchat
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dajbelshaw 20:12 RT @TheHeadsOffice: If the system is wrong, what do future leaders &
changers need to be taught? #ukedchat #purposed
@bucharesttutor But what about new forms of engagement? The big
albanystreet 20:12 social implications? Thinking of current situ in Egypt for example
#ukedchat
If the system is wrong, what do future leaders & changers need to be
taught? #ukedchat #purposed
RT @dajbelshaw: For those people following me thinking WTF? I'm
Creativeedu 20:12 moderating #ukedchat tonight. More sedentary tweeting resumes in
45 mins... ;-)
@rmsimonwilliams #ukedchat it should be, but what if there is no
curricadvocate 20:12 interest in skills development from top? and tight knowledge
prescription
â€œ@dajbelshaw: What direction *should* we be heading in
fredgarnett 20:12 education? #ukedchat #purposedâ€•Towards a participatory
democracy
When I'm not organising learning for my classes the best lessons
JOHNSAYERS 20:12 always come from outside agency workshops. #ukedchat anyone else
find this?
lisibo 20:12
@dawnhallybone @john_at_muuua - I agree there! #ukedchat
Smichael920 20:12 RT @philallman1: As Brennan said on Tues eve in #edbill debate #gove
LOL RT @dajbelshaw: For those people following me thinking WTF? I'm
cheersphilip 20:12 moderating #ukedchat tonight. More sedentary tweeting resumes in
45
CliveBuckley 20:12 Anyone read the TIMSS survey? #ukedchat
Iris_Connect 20:12 RT @dawnhallybone: edu derives fr latin 2 'draw forth fr within' surely
we shod enables students to think, write or find own path #ukedchat
CliveBuckley 20:13 Isn't it sad that the idea that the next generation will be better
(educated etc.) will not happen this time?? #ukedchat
So what's the purpose of education? Are we headed in the right
dajbelshaw 20:13
direction? #ukedchat
jamesmichie 20:13 @dajbelshaw @theheadsoffice to make education about the learner

needs and desires - the two can go together. #ukedchat
@JOHNSAYERS because their business depends on delivering high
tutor2u 20:13
quality - or it should #ukedchat
RT @rmsimonwilliams: @curricadvocate #ukedchat then by the time
cheersphilip 20:13 people leave school, the information they havâ€¦ (cont)
http://deck.ly/~hYMn6
TerryWassall 20:13 If education is about maximising all individuals' potential is this also a
critque of the obstacles society puts in the way? #ukedchat
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rmsimonwilliams 20:13 @curricadvocate #ukedchat then by the time people leave school, the
information they have absorbed will be out of date ???
I agree 0 sometimes you just have to sit down and practice!
cheersphilip 20:13
@bucharesttutor: #ukedchat
jackieschneider 20:13 #ukedchat I am really glad kids start school after they can walk & talk.
Just think of crazy strategies we'd invent & then claim as proof
(probable) reality of it is that Gove has 6 mths (max), by then the
57mason 20:13 damage will be done. Edu is what WE make it in our classrooms
#ukedchat
RT @albanystreet: @TheHeadsOffice To stop thinking about systems
SkoorBttaM 20:14 and think about learners - what they want and need should be the
driver #ukedchat
#Ukedchat unfortunately a "good" education is measured by league
Totallywired77 20:14 tables and numbers of qualifications in this country. Time for a
change?
universityboy 20:14 RT @TheHeadsOffice: If the system is wrong, what do future leaders &
changers need to be taught? #ukedchat #purposed
te_ach_er 20:14 @albanystreet What do you mean by soft skills? #ukedchat
@CreativeEdu Ditto - learned as much wrking 4 Superdrug as I did at
jamesmichie 20:14
school / uni. #ukedchat
to learn from our mistakes and make the world a better place
cloud_burst 20:14
#ukedchat
Smichael920 20:14
#ukedchat has ed changed enough to meet society's current needs?
lisibo 20:14 @rmsimonwilliams @curricadvocate - and that's why the process is

almost more important than the facts #ukedchat (I said almost!)
curricadvocate 20:14 @rmsimonwilliams #ukedchat - agree. i believe it is the skill to access

and analyse that is more important. knowledge is quickly accessible
RT @camaxwell: @dajbelshaw Moderating? I'd call it drowning in the
dajbelshaw 20:14
deluge! #ukedchat is on fire tonight.
Mackers1969 20:14 #ukedchat Steve Munby spoke to Lancs HTs today - made really good
point re NCR. If it is facts and is only small% of total-free to innov8
@Mackers1969 I reject your metaphor. String length matters not, the
dajbelshaw 20:14 purpose of education & how we operationalise it matters hugely
#ukedchat
RT @albanystreet: @colport Sadly none I suspect but it shouldn't stop
colport 20:14 us demanding it! Look at Egypt - who'd have thought that'd happen?
#ukedchat
RT @57mason: (probable) reality of it is that Gove has 6 mths (max),
cleverfiend 20:14 by then the damage will be done. Edu is what WE make it in our
classrooms #ukedchat
albanystreet 20:14 @TheHeadsOffice To stop thinking about systems and think about
learners - what they want and need should be the driver #ukedchat
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jamesmichie 20:14
We need education to b more "genuinly" learner-centric. #ukedchat
[Education is about] knowing what to do when you don't know what to
philallman1 20:14
do - Art Costa #ukedchat
jennitonic80 20:14 RT @Creativeedu: I didn't learn to learn until I finished formal

education... does that suggest it was broken? #UkEdChat
jennitonic80 20:14 RT @Creativeedu: I didn't learn to learn until I finished formal

education... does that suggest it was broken? #UkEdChat
@dawnhallybone yes. but currently isn't KS4 really all about the
john_at_muuua 20:14
exams, whereas KS1 is about...? #ukedchat
@jamesmichie I feel the same. i actually did well at school
Creativeedu 20:14 academically but not in many other ways. I've learnt more at work
#UkEdChat
@dajbelshaw Moderating? I'd call it drowning in the deluge! #ukedchat
camaxwell 20:14
is on fire tonight.
dajbelshaw 20:15 @dawnhallybone Not so sure that's true, Dawn. You can't make sense
of the world until you know what things *are*! #ukedchat
RT @Smichael920: #ukedchat has ed changed enough to meet
Creativeedu 20:15
society's current needs? <has it really changed at all?
@albanystreet Yes, and does all learning have to take place inside the
jamesmichie 20:15
4 walls we call a school? #ukedchat
@dawnhallybone @dajbelshaw @headteacher01 best practice in this
philallman1 20:15
area is usually in FS #ukedchat
12-16 is probably the very worst time in anyone's life to try and learn
john_at_muuua 20:15
something. #ukedchat
@lisibo @rmsimonwilliams #ukedchat iwould argue that the process is
curricadvocate 20:15
as important as the facts.
ianpocock 20:15 @colport I am more bullish on its transformational capacity - just look
at the baby boomers. lifted huge numbers out of poverty #ukedchat
@dajbelshaw @camaxwell I'm drowning in tweets here. I don't know
lordlumey 20:15
how one can moderate such a thing. #ukedchat
rmsimonwilliams 20:15 @lisibo @curricadvocate #ukedchat i agree with the almost :P I think
it's a definite result of technology making info more access
A HE view (my own) we have a huge amount of talent out there - lets
CliveBuckley 20:15
help them achieve #ukedchat
RT @jamesmichie: We need education to b more "genuinly" learner-
lisibo 20:15
centric. #ukedchat
@dajbelshaw @headteacher01 children begin learning from early age
dawnhallybone 20:15
start with skills not facts first #ukedchat
@jamesmichie Absolutely - and the funding should follow the learner,
albanystreet 20:15
not the institution #ukedchat
RT @universityboy: #ukedchat Education means one thing to
colmmu 20:15 individual, another to wider community. Meanings change frequently
in both cases & in all directions.
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philallman1 20:15 @Mackers1969 #ukedchat why make such a big play about names in
curriculum then unless the facts are to be prescriptive
General theme seems to be education should be learner driven not
Creativeedu 20:15
dictated from above? #UkEdChat
Should we ditch the national curriculum? Use the talent in our schools
CliveBuckley 20:16
to achieve excellence #ukedchat
PeacockMaths 20:16 #ukedchat We desperately need to decide what education is for. We

are fantastic at getting exam results - but is that enough.
ClaireJoanne35 20:16
@john_at_muuua learning does seem easier post-16 #ukedchat
@camaxwell Not half but its hard to get all teachers on board with
jamesmichie 20:16
such #edupunk ideals. #ukedchat
Arakwai 20:16 #ukedchat Critical thinking? I want my students to have the knowledge
& skills to evaluate the wealth of info bombarding them constantly.
universityboy 20:16 @Smichael920 I would say a lot more flexibility is needed. And I fear
critical thinking is suffering in some cases. #ukedchat
bellaale 20:16 I think the only way to really get the best out of tonight's #ukedchat is
gonna be to revisit the hashtag retrospectively! Phew!
#ukedchat is someone telling the exam boards all of this?
4goggas 20:16
#pardontherealitycheck ;0)
dajbelshaw 20:16
@jamesmichie *Really*? Sounds nice but doubt that's true. #ukedchat
Q. Should edu purpose change for diff ages > of course kids are not
Iris_Connect 20:16 static nor is info or edu, purpose & appro needs 2 b dynamic
#ukedchat
@ianpocock We could draw this conversation into a sociological one!
colport 20:16
#ukedchat
Grevster73 20:16 RT @dawnhallybone: @john_at_muuua am at ks2 and yr 6 for me it is

enabling children have a love for learning and life! #ukedchat
RT @57mason: (probable) reality of it is that Gove has 6 mths (max),
Totallywired77 20:16 by then the damage will be done. Edu is what WE make it in our
classrooms #ukedchat
#ukedchat - schools/institutions don't have the monopoly on
jackieschneider 20:16
education
@john_at_muuua am at ks2 and yr 6 for me it is enabling children
dawnhallybone 20:16
have a love for learning and life! #ukedchat
dajbelshaw 20:16 @lordlumey I'm not waving I'm drowning! ;-) #ukedchat
@Totallywired77 of course but try telling the industrial-military
57mason 20:16
complex that! #ukedchat
RT @john_at_muuua: 12-16 is probably the very worst time in
AntHeald 20:16
anyone's life to try and learn something. #ukedchat
albanystreet 20:16 @Smichael920 Should we think about needs? Isn't that inherently a
deficit model? Desire, want, interest should drive #ukedchat
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We don't have to do what THE MAN aka #Gove says. We may have a
camaxwell 20:16 naff curriculum but it's what happens in the classroom that counts.
#ukedchat
cheersphilip 20:16 RT @jamesmichie: @albanystreet Yes, and does all learning have to
take place inside the 4 walls we call a school? #ukedchat
JOHNSAYERS 20:16 How many of us set up projects enquiries where we get pupils to play
roles in a company/organisation and they are engaging?#ukedchat
@dajbelshaw professional practice used to be the standard - they
cheersphilip 20:17
called it 'habitus', like lawyers #ukedchat
john_at_muuua 20:17 @ClaireJoanne35 easier for the student? #ukedchat
CliveBuckley 20:17
@dajbelshaw Framework... maybe but NC .. maybe not #ukedchat
jamesmichie 20:17 @dajbelshaw It is absolutely true, I struggled through maths every

single day but when I went to work I learned it sharpish. #ukedchat
@4goggas - a good point!! Until they get the message, education
lisibo 20:17
won't and possibly can't really change #ukedchat
dawnhallybone 20:17 @dajbelshaw but think of own children at early age they did not know
the facts but they found the skills to enable things to work #ukedchat
I wonder myself if I found passion for learning because or despite
nellmog 20:17 formal education? How many young people is that still the case
#ukedchat
curricadvocate 20:17 @lisibo @rmsimonwilliams #ukedchat should education still prescribe

the structures for the way that knowledge should build?
@CliveBuckley You need a framework to ensure minimum standards,
dajbelshaw 20:17
surely? #ukedchat
@cloud_burst better for whom? And how would you specify 'better'?
TerryWassall 20:17
#ukedchat
albanystreet 20:17 @jamesmichie Definitely not! I work in Community Learning - there

are things that e.g. youth workers could deliver better #ukedchat
john_at_muuua 20:17 @dawnhallybone ooooh. wish GCSEs did that #ukedchat
â€œ@CllrVickyMD RT @philallman1: I think #Gove is abandoning an
fredgarnett 20:17 analogue curriculum in a digital age & going back to the scriptorium
#ukedchat
cheersphilip 20:17 Agreed! RT @jamesmichie: @camaxwell Not half but its hard to get all
teachers on board with such #edupunk ideals. #ukedchat
@jamesmichie So by extension you think businesses should be in
dajbelshaw 20:18
charge of education? #ukedchat
mberry 20:18 The problem with an exclusively learner driven education is that it
might never or rarely broaden a learner's horizons. #ukedchat
RT @albanystreet: @jamesmichie Definitely not! I work in Community
jamesmichie 20:18 Learning - there are things that e.g. youth workers could deliver better
#ukedchat
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theokk 20:18 #ukedchat #purposed skills contextual to a given situation, facts (if
verified) a scaffold, hypothesis always a good leg up
familysimpson 20:18 #ukedchat every subject in Scottish edu submitting projects for
national 4/5? This is what employers want, isn't it?
ianpocock 20:18 @colport true but has their been greater social mobility since the
industrial revolution than following butler reforms?#ukedchat
AntHeald 20:18 Yes - you can find facts w/out copying off board now, but surely still
need to know what's *worth* finding out & where it fits #ukedchat
Purpose of 'education' has varied in diff schools I've been in. Special
Creativeedu 20:18
school prep for life struck me as best #UkEdChat
curricadvocate 20:18 @57mason #ukedchat the worry is that when Gove does go, Gibbs will
fit into place, and he makes Gove look like a soft version of Jim Rose!
jamesmichie 20:18 @dajbelshaw and that was just one example, I gained life skills, like
how to manage/deal w/ people + much more. #ukedchat
4goggas 20:18 @lisibo Yes - lets keep leading the changes. :0) #ukedchat
RT @jamesmichie: @dajbelshaw It is absolutely true, I struggled
john_at_muuua 20:18 through maths every single day but when I went to work I learned it
sharpish. #ukedchat
dajbelshaw 20:18 @dawnhallybone I think you're thinking about tech, Dawn. I'm thinking
not putting paintbrushes in mouths. ;-) #ukedchat
#ukedchat - the purpose of state organised education is always going
to be to meet the needs of ruling elite.
@mberry just as people who only find news from social networks only
john_at_muuua 20:19
learn about what they know. #ukedchat
RT @andreacarr1: Thinking of what I want for my kids: skills for life,
richardsw16 20:19 confidence, curiosity, happiness, to be respectful and respected.
#ukedchat #purposed
@nellmog I'd say many find it despite. But that doesn't mean there
universityboy 20:19 aren't decent formal structures out there & passionate teachers
#ukedchat
Education is what remains after one has forgotten what one has
Grevster73 20:19
learned in school - Albert Einstien -
@dawnhallybone Ah, we're arguing over semantics. I'd calling that
dajbelshaw 20:19
finding out facts... :-p #ukedchat
philallman1 20:19 RT @Mackers1969: @philallman1 #ukedchat purpose of ed IS NOT to

satisfy political aims/motivations.<completely agree!
jamesmichie 20:19 @dajbelshaw No I am simply suggesting that a standard "curriculum"

of subjects as we have now may not b the answer. #ukedchat
RT @Mackers1969: @philallman1 #ukedchat purpose of ed IS NOT to
cheersphilip 20:19
satisfy political aims/motivations.
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I remember a song 'little boxes made out of ticky tacky' let's not make
CliveBuckley 20:19
our young out of ticky tacky #ukedchat
@albanystreet funding following the learner at school leads to
mberry 20:19
vouchers for independent schools, no? #ukedchat
lisibo 20:19 RT @theokk: #ukedchat #purposed skills contextual to a given

situation, facts (if verified) a scaffold, hypothesis always a good leg up
albanystreet 20:19 @cheersphilip @dajbelshaw Indeed - the need for effective continuous
professional learning is essential moving forward #ukedchat
@philallman1 #ukedchat purpose of ed IS NOT to satisfy political
Mackers1969 20:19
aims/motivations.
bucharesttutor 20:19
@john_at_muuua practise makes a man Math perfect #ukedchat
#ukedchat in NQT year + rarely observe teaching with reference to real
jennitonic80 20:19 working world. Secondary system all wrong. Need Topic lead lessons
??
dawnhallybone 20:19 @dajbelshaw ah but there it is trial and error - perseverance they find
the paper eventually in between the walls and siblings :) #ukedchat
andreacarr1 20:19 Thinking of what I want for my kids: skills for life, confidence, curiosity,
happiness, to be respectful and respected. #ukedchat #purposed
@curricadvocate #purposed #ukedchat the concept of a chunked
didactylos 20:19 curriculum was a model to deliver in analogue days. Digital makes it
irrelevant
@john_at_muuua for students & teachers as students are more
receptive #ukedchat
nicovillena 20:20 RT @dajbelshaw: If you had to sum up the purpose of education in 140
characters, how would you do it? #ukedchat #purposed
RT @jamesmichie: RT @gideonwilliams: @jamesmichie #ukedchat
familysimpson 20:20
certainly not definable by %s <-- exactly!
headteacher01 20:20 RT @philallman1: @dawnhallybone @dajbelshaw @headteacher01

best practice in this area is usually in FS #ukedchat
cheersphilip 20:20 @CliveBuckley @jackieschneider but what are their needs? Why are
their needs not to better society as a whole, etc, etc.? #ukedchat
RT @curricadvocate: @didactylos #ukedchat which is why the purpose
philallman1 20:20 of education is to allow the next generatioâ€¦ (cont)
http://deck.ly/~9z1E9
Beginning to think threaded message boards have a lot going for them!
TerryWassall 20:20
#ukedchat
If you had to sum up the purpose of education in 140 characters, how
dajbelshaw 20:20
would you do it? #ukedchat #purposed
jamesmichie 20:20 How about building a curriculum based on the question: what do we
want young people be able to do when they leave school? #ukedchat
dawnhallybone 20:20 @dajbelshaw perhaps :) #ukedchat
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dawnhallybone 20:20 also think education should not just be about schools etc but also the
community - stories passing down from generations etc #ukedchat
@colport its where I fear we have lost our way. Why do privately
ianpocock 20:20 educated children do so much better, the gap grows every year
#ukedchat
CliveBuckley 20:20 RT @jackieschneider: #ukedchat - the purpose of state organised

education is always going to be to meet the needs of ruling elite. Yes :-)
RT @jennitonic80: #ukedchat in NQT year + rarely observe teaching
richardsw16 20:20 with reference to real working world. Secondary system all wrong.
Need Topic lead lessons ??
@didactylos #ukedchat which is why the purpose of education is to
curricadvocate 20:20 allow the next generation to make good decisions based on sound
analysis
didactylos 20:20 #purposed #ukedchat we are biologically programmed to learn its our
dna - schools often are a barrier to that learning
iamclairei 20:20 #ukedchat Like others I want children to love learning and empower
them to learn. Worried I don't always succeed though!
@jamesmichie I agree we've got an outdated demarcation of subjects.
dajbelshaw 20:20
#ukedchat
rmsimonwilliams 20:20 @curricadvocate I think individuals' learning should guide the way
knowledge 'should' build, that & the content being studied #ukedchat
RT @camaxwell: I think too much emphasis is put on compulsory
familysimpson 20:20 education & too much pressures on pupils. It's NOT their only chance.
#ukedchat #purposed
@dawnhallybone Indeed -great potential in intergenerational learning
albanystreet 20:21
I think #ukedchat
@AntHeald U might call it "real" maths. Apologies to any maths
jamesmichie 20:21
teachers out there! :-) #ukedchat
curricadvocate 20:21 @rmsimonwilliams #ukedchat Agree, but how do you frame that in a
National Curriculum. In fact should there be one? #controversial
JOHNSAYERS 20:21 My school was in bottom 1% in country:( now adopted thinking skills
across school each classroom has to have same display wall #ukedchat
@Grevster73re importance of loving life.Without trying to sound
te_ach_er 20:21 profound it should enable kids to get the most out of their
life#ukedchat
CliveBuckley 20:21 RT @CliveBuckley: @cheersphilip Society or individual - what is the

purpose of education? To serve the state or the individual? #ukedchat
MissSMitch 20:21 RT @Mackers1969: @philallman1 #ukedchat purpose of ed IS NOT to

satisfy political aims/motivations. >it shouldn't be but I'm not sure
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nellmog 20:21 How much do league tables drive the purpose of education in schools
today? #ukedchat does it mean it drives purpose in most classrooms?
4goggas 20:21 @andreacarr1 Agreed. Plus the drive to get ahead, to always have a
plan B & to focus on their needs without a significant other. #ukedchat
@Mackers1969 to develop an understanding that learning never ends!
philallman1 20:21
#ukedchat
@dawnhallybone - agree re community and heritage and oral tradition
lisibo 20:21
etc. that's being lost #ukedchat
Strip the curriculum down! My Y3s should not have to be tortured with
lordlumey 20:21
equivalent fractions. #ukedchat
universityboy 20:21 @AntHeald Critical, engaged mind helps finding worth. And a teacher
can be any enthusiastic person with a similarly critical view. #ukedchat
how can we educate the next generation when we don't know what
Grevster73 20:21
the future is? #ukedchat
john_at_muuua 20:21
@bucharesttutor practice makes literature deeper too #ukedchat
cheersphilip 20:21
@dajbelshaw Although Design & TEch is clearly the best :D #ukedchat
@curricadvocate true not familiar w Gibbs ck
57mason 20:21 http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/mortarboard/2010/may/17/nic
k-gibb-upsets-teachers #ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:21 RT @dajbelshaw: If you had to sum up the purpose of education in 140
@mattbuxton10 Depends at what level. You have to know a pen's a
dajbelshaw 20:21
pen, for example to use it! #ukedchat
dughall 20:21 RT @dajbelshaw: If you had to sum up the purpose of education in 140
Mackers1969 20:21 @philallman1 #ukedchat so we're back to where we started - what is

its purpose?! If nothing else - to inspire the learners to want to learn
@jennitonic80 I'm in secondary and we aim to have a big real world
MissSMitch 20:21
link - think it depends on the school #ukedchat
AntHeald 20:21 @jamesmichie - whatever you learnt at Superdrug, I bet most of it

wasn't what maths teachers think of as maths #ukedchat
RT @Ideas_Factory: #ukedchat Sounds like more & more people
CliveBuckley 20:22 getting educated away from establishments-so what'â€¦ (cont)
http://deck.ly/~nSYGA
@Grevster73 #ukedchat #purposed - aye! we've never known the
theokk 20:22 future but we can extrapolate from history inc (cultural) and have a
good stab
#ukedchat â€¢ wealth â€¢ culture â€¢ citizenship â€¢ fulfilment -
richardmillwood 20:22
cornerstones of reasons to learn
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RT @curricadvocate: @rmsimonwilliams #ukedchat Agree, but how do
bellaale 20:22 you frame that in a National Curriculum. In fact should there be one?
#controversial
jackieschneider 20:22 RT @didactylos: #purposed #ukedchat we are biologically programmed

to learn its our dna - schools often are a barrier to that learning
@dajbelshaw Meaningful, updated, adaptable, skilful, interesting,
resourceful, entertaining #ukedchat #purposed
RT @dawnhallybone: also think education should not just be about
colmmu 20:22 schools etc but also the community - stories passing down from
generations etc #ukedchat
#ukedchat slightly off topic but would it benefit kids if they were
MissSMitch 20:22
taught politics as part of the curriculum?
djchug 20:22 @jamesmichie very good point James. #ukedchat
4goggas 20:22
@dajbelshaw I like the latest web 2.0 gizmos! ;0) #ukedchat
iamclairei 20:22 Twitterfall makes this so much easier! #ukedchat
@didactylos oh dear, someone is going to say schools need to 'catch
john_at_muuua 20:22
up' in a minute #ukedchat
colport 20:22 @ianpocock Completely agree. Money pays! Just look at those in the
top jobs in gvt!!! #ukedchat It's been like that since the dawn of gvt.
Utopian School Education in 140: "providing young people with the
Creativeedu 20:22
tools and skills for lifelong learning" #UkEdChat
#ukedchat Sounds like more & more people getting educated away
Ideas_Factory 20:22 from establishments-so what's the purpose of schools if not
education?
@philallman1 #ukedchat so will the powers that be learn from the
Mackers1969 20:22
reviews they've commissioned?
@Mackers1969 @philallman1 - but the state will always put it's needs
first with any Ed system it organises #ukedchat
rmsimonwilliams 20:22 @dajbelshaw #ukedchat to be enabled to learn oneself, whether

through 'practicing' on select knowledge... damn, not enough chars...
RT @cheersphilip: #ukedchat so refreshing to be tweeting about the
dajbelshaw 20:22
fundamentals, rather than latest web 2.0 gizmo
@TheHeadsOffice #ukedchat confidence to fail and to be proud at
familysimpson 20:22
having opportunity to fail, then learn to succeed!
RT @jamesmichie: @AntHeald U might call it "real" maths. Apologies
Grevster73 20:22
to any maths teachers out there! :-) #ukedchat
#ukedchat so refreshing to be tweeting about the fundamentals, rather
cheersphilip 20:22
than latest web 2.0 gizmo
@Grevster73 that's why knowledge and knowing 'stuff' is irrelevant!
philallman1 20:22
#ukedchat
raff31 20:23 #ukedchat The ability of a child to say, "I am that statistic"
bucharesttutor 20:23 @john_at_muuua yes Guess Math and literature does go hand in hand.
The more you write, the better you get #ukedchat
russdev 20:23
To equip young people for the future. #ukedchat #purposed
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JOHNSAYERS 20:23 School feels like a firm now. Results improving rapidly life like an
organisation rather than school of individual practitioners #ukedchat
Sever politics from education. Let professionals govern their own
lordlumey 20:23
profession. #ukedchat
RT @misterel: do we not want to develop inquisitive learners who ask
MrAColley 20:23 Why? What? When? How? rather than just 'doing' education to get a
grade #ukedchat
RT @jamesmichie: How about building a curriculum based on the
jennitonic80 20:23 question: what do we want young people be able to do when they
leave school? #ukedchat
Iris_Connect 20:23 @dajbelshaw It is absolutely true, I struggled through maths every

single day but when I went to work I learned it sharpish. #ukedchat
dajbelshaw 20:23 RT @ebd35: @dajbelshaw @dughall #ukedchat #purposed to produce

emotionally, socially, economically viable citizens for the future
@curricadvocate expost as Brennan said 'that's Latin by the way'
philallman1 20:23
#ukedchat
Mackers1969 20:23 @Ideas_Factory #ukedchat schools should be the foundation, main

instigators of equipping for learning which carries on after
@mberry but what if the learner driven environment is managed by a
theother66 20:23
collective of learners? #ukedchat
albanystreet 20:23 @CliveBuckley @cheersphilip I think that goes to the heart of the
problem - sep of individuals from society - I blame Thatcher #ukedchat
bellaale 20:23 @Mackers1969 will they even listen? #ukedchat
MissSMitch 20:23 RT @CliveBuckley: I remember a song 'little boxes made out of ticky
tacky' -a fab song for highlighting possible mistakes! #ukedchat
jamesmichie 20:23 Why? What? When? How? rather than just 'doing' education to get a
grade #ukedchat
@jennitonic80 That's the purpose of education? To create better
dajbelshaw 20:23
managers? http://dajb.eu/erk3Yz #ukedchat
fredgarnett 20:23 RT @theokk: #ukedchat #purposed skills contextual to a given

situation, facts (if verified) a scaffold, hypothesis always a good leg up
RT @Grevster73: how can we educate the next generation when we
Creativeedu 20:23
don't know what the future is? #ukedchat
richardsw16 20:23 RT @iamclairei: Twitterfall makes this so much easier! #ukedchat < I
second that. Can control speed and catch up later.
lisibo 20:23 RT @richardmillwood: #ukedchat â€¢ wealth â€¢ culture â€¢

citizenship â€¢ fulfilment - cornerstones of reasons to learn
cheersphilip 20:23 Why? What? When? How? rather than just 'doing' education to get a
grade #ukedchat
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@philallman1 I think pupils should 'know' concepts, not facts per se
Grevster73 20:23
#ukedchat
PeacockMaths 20:23 @dajbelshaw #ukedchat #purposed
do we not want to develop inquisitive learners who ask Why? What?
misterel 20:23 When? How? rather than just 'doing' education to get a grade
#ukedchat
cheersphilip 20:23 @4goggas don;t we all, but this is a bit livlier! #ukedchat
@MissSMitch @Mackers1969 @philallman1 #ukedchat that's so true.
curricadvocate 20:23 however, when your career rests on it, you want to be remembered.
#gove
ebd35 20:23 @dajbelshaw @dughall #ukedchat #purposed to produce emotionally,

socially, economically viable citizens for the future
jamesmichie 20:23 @jennitonic80 @dajbelshaw No way, totally disagree with that. Plenty
of gr8 teachers r excellent managers too. #ukedchat
RT @didactylos: #purposed #ukedchat schools often are a barrier to
MissSMitch 20:24 that learning ----> as proven by many acknowledged 'successes' in
society
raff31 20:24 #ukedchat I was a 2a, now I'm a 3c
Mackers1969 20:24 #ukedchat oh heck too many tweets! it's the same for ed/health/police
etc. Political careers rest on them and always will.
cheersphilip 20:24 RT @dajbelshaw: RT If you had to sum up the purpose of education in

140 characters, how would you do it? #ukedchat #purposed
richardsw16 20:24 Why? What? When? How? rather than just 'doing' education to get a
grade #ukedchat
so what we need (despite my misgivings) is a way to make the current
john_at_muuua 20:24
system achieve those aims #ukedchat
didactylos 20:24 @tomfranklin I don't disagree, but I take exception to 'subjects' as a

method of delivery - they are meaningless boxes #purposed #ukedchat
RT If you had to sum up the purpose of education in 140 characters,
dajbelshaw 20:24
how would you do it? #ukedchat #purposed
@jamesmichie @camaxwell maybe a naff structure but a little twisting
familysimpson 20:24
works wonders!! #ukedchat #edupunk
57mason 20:24 @MissSMitch agreed, and philosopy #ukedchat
#ukedchat #purposed to give baby something to do while mumy &
cheersphilip 20:24
daddy at work? there's some truth it that tho!
AntHeald 20:24 @universityboy I can't argue with that. Should I be doing? Guess I was
saying that there's still some room for -ahem -"expertise" #ukedchat
SkoorBttaM 20:24 Why? What? When? How? rather than just 'doing' education to get a
grade #ukedchat
@MissSMitch #ukedchat - we should teach our children to participate
curricadvocate 20:24 in a democratic society. maybe some MPs would be ordinary folks
then!!
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on the one hand we are stuck in the current system, on the other we
john_at_muuua 20:24 ALL want out students to reach their potential and be happy.
#ukedchat
rmsimonwilliams 20:24 @curricadvocate #ukedchat personally, I agree with @jackieschneider

's comment a few mo's ago... but I do see some merit in 'Standards'
@AntHeald Agreed. Good news is, anyone can be an expert.
universityboy 20:25 Communicating that expertise is more difficult, but worth trying for.
#ukedchat
@Smichael920 begs the question - how long is society needs current?
mikemcsharry 20:25
#ukedchat
jackieschneider 20:25 @cheersphilip @clivebuckley - unfortunately their needs are driven by

capitalism - ready supply of cheap labour, respect authority #ukedchat
#ukedchat How about learning to know when its time to "stop &
4goggas 20:25 stare?" Too much education is hectic, sausage stuffed & forced.
#ukedchat
Mackers1969 20:25 RT @Ideas_Factory: #ukedchat The purpose-for me-is to educate the

'whole' child-be it academic,creative,artistic or sporting.<YES!!!! :-)
RT @raff31: #ukedchat I was a 2a, now I'm a 3c < hehehe, that's the
briefest summary yet!
@jamesmichie do we know what jobs there will be when they leave
familysimpson 20:25
school?? #ukedchat
Ed should foster passion and curiosity. Lifelong traits worth
Smichael920 20:25
encouraging from an early age #ukedchat
Grevster73 20:25
@raff31 we're onto progression here, not education per se! #ukedchat
@colport read a report with frightening stat that by the start of
ianpocock 20:25 secondary school, private school kids are 2 years ahead of state
#ukedchat
lisibo 20:25 RT @dajbelshaw: RT @Mackers1969: @bellaale #ukedchat they might

not listen but that doesn't mean we shouldn't tell them anyway.
â€œ@MissSMitch: #ukedchat slightly off topic but would it benefit
fredgarnett 20:25 kids if they were taught politics as part of the curriculum?â€•yes it
would!
dajbelshaw 20:25 RT @Ideas_Factory: #ukedchat The purpose-for me-is to educate the

'whole' child-be it academic,creative,artistic or sporting.
What i'm looking for is a way to make the system holistic in its truest
john_at_muuua 20:25
sense. #ukedchat http://youtu.be/nx2Udt-GTnY
Let us in education help people 'grow', develop. If they do, society will
CliveBuckley 20:25
take care of itself. #ukedchat
#ukedchat The purpose-for me-is to educate the 'whole' child-be it
Ideas_Factory 20:25
academic,creative,artistic or sporting.
dajbelshaw 20:25 RT @Mackers1969: @bellaale #ukedchat they might not listen but
that doesn't mean we shouldn't tell them anyway.
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cheersphilip 20:25
@MissSMitch but so many abject failures #purposed #ukedchat
@bellaale #ukedchat they might not listen but that doesn't mean we
Mackers1969 20:25
shouldn't tell them anyway.
rmsimonwilliams 20:25 @curricadvocate #ukedchat ...and how do you assess those

"Standards" without a national comparative basis i.e. the curriculum?
oldandrewuk 20:25 #ukedchat The purpose of education is to make people cleverer.

Knowledge is the main, but not the only, component of cleverness.
@jamesmichie What's 'intelligence' but a construct? Read some
dajbelshaw 20:26
Dweck! :-p #ukedchat
mosquitomax 20:26 #ukedchat Education: to produce a child capable of existing in a world

in which they control and and are responsible for.
Mackers1969 20:26 #ukedchat I'm told there was a great phone in on 5live where a caller
completely rang rings around #gove. If i get the link i'll post
curricadvocate 20:26 @rmsimonwilliams @jackieschneider #ukedchat a focus on standards

is essential - it means we keep striving for better for our kids...
nellmog 20:26 @universityboy but arn't some of the formal structures some of the
issue that stifle creative and inspirational teaching #ukedchat
familysimpson 20:26 Why? What? When? How? rather than just 'doing' education to get a
grade #ukedchat
bucharesttutor 20:26 @cheersphilip To help students stand on their feet n make them aware
of their strengths n weaknesses #ukedchat #purposed
RT @DeputyMitchell: in the 8 minutes before #ukedchat why not listen
DianneSpencer 20:26 to Thomas and Liam discuss the situation in Egypt:
http://bit.ly/hWcLZM
theokk 20:26 @lisibo @dawnhallybone oral tradition v important, folk music and
languages can get us off to a good start there #ukedchat #purposed
jamesmichie 20:26 I don't care abt business or citizenship - 2 much focus on "contribution
to society". How about creating nice intelligent ppl. #ukedchat
cheersphilip 20:26 @jackieschneider industrial model of education. Sad that we no longer

have industry for the robots to go to #ukedchat
RT @dughall: RT @Smichael920: Ed should foster passion and
dajbelshaw 20:26 curiosity. Lifelong traits worth encouraging from an early age
#ukedchat
RT @4goggas: #ukedchat How about learning to know when its time to
andreacarr1 20:26 "stop & stare?" Too much education is hectic, sausage stuffed &
forced. #ukedchat
@oldandrewuk #ukedchat aren't there quite a few "uneducated"
clever types about?!
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RT @geocollective: Love your geography? Be listed as
JOHNSAYERS 20:26 #OneOfOneThousandGeograhers by tweeting this #. #ukedchat
#edchat
curricadvocate 20:26 @rmsimonwilliams @jackieschneider #ukedchat whilst i agree, this is

morally wrong. teachers have duty to do what's right and usually do!
dughall 20:26 RT @Smichael920: Ed should foster passion and curiosity. Lifelong

traits worth encouraging from an early age #ukedchat
RT @didactylos: #purposed #ukedchat on the plains as a hunter you
dughall 20:27 learned how to hunt (skill) not how to hunâ€¦ (cont)
http://deck.ly/~zdHXy
Off to the shops, hitting pause on #ukedchat to get my ladybird book
familysimpson 20:27
tokens!
#ukedchat Big part should be doing what Claxton termed 'building
MrAColley 20:27
learning power'. Brain not up to speed tonight!
KnikiDavies 20:27 @didactylos #ukedchat But in the analogy you had the knowledge of
which footprints match which animal, what tools work best etc
curricadvocate 20:27 @rmsimonwilliams #ukedchat agree. but to refer to @jackieschneider

if the standards are politically driven there is an issue (contd)
@Mackers1969 depends which side of fence you sit - tory bloggers
cheersphilip 20:27
said Gove won hands down #ukedchat #gove
@oldandrewuk #ukedchat how do we judge if someone is
richardsw16 20:27
"uneducated"? No qualifications?
Purpose of education should be to create a sustainable society of
lordlumey 20:27
content and fulfilled individuals. #ukedchat
enjoying reading #UkEdChat but struggling to know how to contribute
Creativeedu 20:27
meaningfully!
@curricadvocate #ukedchat can't argue with that! they're best placed
to!
Mackers1969 20:27 @Ideas_Factory #ukedchat a talented artist has as much worth as a

brilliant mathematician. Each contributes to society
@theokk @lisibo learning from others that have gone before
dawnhallybone 20:27
important lessons there #ukedchat #purposed
albanystreet 20:27
@mosquitomax Why is education just for children?! #ukedchat
RT @GeoCollective: Love your geography? Be listed as
OpenHSofUtah 20:27 #OneOfOneThousandGeograhers by tweeting this #. #ukedchat
#edchat #openhs #geog
JamiePortman 20:27 @jennitonic80 @jamesmichie Our learning vision is based around such
questions. That vision drives all developments in schl #ukedchat
colport 20:27 @ianpocock Speaks volumes. #ukedchat
dajbelshaw 20:27 @Mackers1969 Looking forward to that! #ukedchat #gove
How many work in a firm organisational run Academy? How is it?
JOHNSAYERS 20:27
#ukedchat
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didactylos 20:27 #purposed #ukedchat on the plains as a hunter you learned how to
hunt (skill) not how to hunt one animal (knowledge) - skills = survival
4goggas 20:27 @DianneSpencer Too late. Its mad out here! ;0) #ukedchat
57mason 20:28 RT @dajbelshaw: OK. Half-way through. RT this: Are we heading in the
right direction? What *is* the right direction? #ukedchat
RT @dajbelshaw: Are we heading in the right direction? What *is* the
nellmog 20:28
right direction? #ukedchat
CliveBuckley 20:28 RT @CliveBuckley: I genuinely believe that if we help children achieve

their potential then society will benefit #ukedchat
#ukedchat knowledge isn't everything, common sense passion,
Iris_Connect 20:28 enthusiasm play majorroles, quiteoften wehave knowledge butdon't
useit correctly
RT @dajbelshaw: RT @dughall: RT @Smichael920: Ed should foster
eirwenes 20:28 passion and curiosity. Lifelong traits worth encouraging from an early
age #ukedchat
iamclairei 20:28 RT @dajbelshaw: OK. Half-way through. RT this: Are we heading in the
cheersphilip 20:28 RT @dajbelshaw: OK. Half-way through. RT this: Are we heading in the
universityboy 20:28 @nellmog For formal when talking about rigid rules, yes. But not for
formal when talking about learning with a purpose. #ukedchat
@CreativeEdu #ukedchat - just pick one or two threads. say what you
think. it will make others think!!
mosquitomax 20:28 RT @CreativeEdu: enjoying reading #UkEdChat but struggling to know

how to contribute meaningfully!>> Me too, trying to set the table!
4goggas 20:28
@dughall Ooo. @dughall did a deck'ly - is that allowed?? #ukedchat
jamesmichie 20:28 I don't believe ppl have failed at edu if they r not financially successful
or don't make a contribution to society. #ukedchat
bellaale 20:28 RT @dajbelshaw: OK. Half-way through. RT this: Are we heading in the
And what do you need to do next? ;-) RT @rmsimonwilliams: RT
Arakwai 20:28 @raff31: #ukedchat I was a 2a, now I'm a 3c < hehehe, the briefest
summary yet!
bucharesttutor 20:28 @john_at_muuua Yes bang on again. Reading and writing the best and
the oldest learning skills known to man #ukedchat
AntHeald 20:28 Well, #ukedchat interesting, but my little girl wants a story. Now she's
fascinated by what I'm doing. How about that for #purposed?
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OK. Half-way through. RT this: Are we heading in the right direction?
dajbelshaw 20:28
What *is* the right direction? #ukedchat
@Ideas_Factory #ukedchat mind you, some of my family would
Mackers1969 20:28
disagree!
RT @curricadvocate: @rmsimonwilliams #ukedchat @jackieschneider
SkoorBttaM 20:29 so the standards should be set by a body with some independence?
oops - we just got rid of them!
RT @mosquitomax: RT @CreativeEdu: enjoying reading #UkEdChat
bellaale 20:29 but struggling to know how to contribute meaningâ€¦ (cont)
http://deck.ly/~DxwM7
@john_at_muuua Agreed. But schools do have felxibility to develop
JamiePortman 20:29 learning experiences that develop holistically rounded students
#ukedchat
@philallman1 i want my students to be more than just competent.
john_at_muuua 20:29
#ukedchat
DeputyHeadDunn 20:29 #ukedchat Late joining tonight. evenin' all. Education simple to me: to
prepare the children in our care for their future
@Grevster73 by teaching them how to learn - that way they can adapt
MissSMitch 20:29
#ukedchat
dawnhallybone 20:29 @raff31 it's progress :) #ukedchat
@rmsimonwilliams #ukedchat @jackieschneider so the standards
curricadvocate 20:29 should be set by a body with some independence? oops - we just got
rid of them!
RT Are we heading in the right direction? What *is* the right direction?
dajbelshaw 20:29
#ukedchat
RT Are we heading in the right direction? What *is* the right direction?
dajbelshaw 20:29
#ukedchat
dughall 20:29 @4goggas Wouldn't normally do a Deck'ly but it was a rushed RT of a

fab @didactylos tweet. Pls forgive. Ta ;-) #ukedchat
philallman1 20:29 Right direction - competency based curriculum - generates generic skill
base for adaptability! That is education #ukedchat
RT @CliveBuckley: RT @CliveBuckley: I genuinely believe that if we
cheersphilip 20:29 help children achieve their potential then society will benefit
#ukedchat
@Mackers1969 I agree but is that happening consistently in schools
Ideas_Factory 20:29
now? #ukedchat
jennitonic80 20:29 #ukedchat work in a school with fundamental independent thinking

skills missing. Makes academic subjects pointless. And kids know it
RT @fredgarnett: â€œ@CllrVickyMD RT @philallman1: I think #Gove is
dirkvl 20:29 abandoning an analogue curriculum in a digital age & going back to the
scriptorium #ukedchat
RT @dawnhallybone: learning from others that have gone before
rmsimonwilliams 20:29 important lessons there #ukedchat hence a good teacher = role
model?
@bucharesttutor but does that mean education is by necessity just
john_at_muuua 20:29
repetition? #ukedchat
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@Mackers1969 #ukedchat #purposed Leonardo was both .... and
theokk 20:29
inventor, and we need plumbers
@nellmog I didn't mean 'regulated' formal. Hope that makes sense. :)
universityboy 20:29
#ukedchat
cheersphilip 20:30 @richardsw16 but how do you teach 'passion' #ukedchat
dajbelshaw 20:30 28 mins left. Second part of the question: Are we heading in the right
direction? (What *is* the right direction?) #ukedchat
RT @CliveBuckley: RT @CliveBuckley: I genuinely believe that if we
ebd35 20:30 help children achieve their potential then society will benefit
#ukedchat
tutor2u 20:30 Education output: I'll go for: engrained work ethic; respect; emotional
intelligence; optimism; ambition & highly IT literate #ukedchat
Ideas_Factory 20:30 RT @Mackers1969: @Ideas_Factory #ukedchat a talented artist has as

much worth as a brilliant mathematician. Each contributes to society
richardsw16 20:30 RT @Iris_Connect: #ukedchat common sense, passion, enthusiasm <-

can't get qualifications in those, but v important
oldandrewuk 20:30 @rmsimonwilliams #ukedchat Yes, just like there are fit people who
don't go to the gym. That doesn't affect the purpose of the gym.
cheersphilip 20:30 @jackieschneider what collusion? Who, me? #ukedchat
richardmillwood 20:30 #ukedchat there is a diversity of directions - one child may contribute
to wealth while another contributes to culture etc.
Grevster73 20:30 RT @MissSMitch: @Grevster73 by teaching them how to learn - that

way they can adapt #ukedchat <- isn't learning innate? I agree tho!
dajbelshaw 20:30 @TomFranklin I have *never* met anyone who's solely learned from
the mistakes of others. Nice idea, doesn't work. #ukedchat #purposed
TerryWassall 20:30 Education is a process that reproduces society. What it is *for*

depends on what sort of society you want #purposed #ukedchat
@curricadvocate @rmsimonwilliams - I think teachers lost moral
jackieschneider 20:30 authority when they colluded with SATS & league tables #ukedchat
(me incl)
We are not heading in the right direction. We are fattening up cattle
CliveBuckley 20:30
for slaughter #ukedchat
RT @dajbelshaw: RT @dughall: RT @Smichael920: Ed should foster
ebd35 20:30 passion and curiosity. Lifelong traits worth encouraging from an early
age #ukedchat
AntHeald 20:30 That's a lot of them: I'll see when it gets to a low number. Getting
lower now. Really low. Katie aged 5 watching #ukedchat twitterfall
@philallman1 wrong direction - competency based curriculum leads to
cheersphilip 20:30
box-ticking #ukedchat
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albanystreet 20:30 @jamesmichie I think education always produces contribution to
society, whether local, regional or national #ukedchat
I think an important role of education is to teach us each to work with
Creativeedu 20:31
our individual strengths #UkEdChat
@cheersphilip You can't 'teach' passion. You model it. It is contagious.
dughall 20:31
#ukedchat
RT @philallman1: @cheersphilip abroad compency based curr means
skills not box ticking! #ukedchat
@dajbelshaw Sorry had to cut short a brilliant #ukedchat well done all
Ideas_Factory 20:31
contributors-keep up the good work
dajbelshaw 20:31 RT @curricadvocate: #ukedchat the right direction is one that gives our
pupils the best possible chance to succeed. that is a unique recipe.
#ukedchat Will we ever be heading in the right direction? All depends
DeputyHeadDunn 20:31
on your interpretation of 'right'
@dajbelshaw Is that us or education? #ukedchat. I'm a woman - I need
4goggas 20:31
these things spelt out... ;0)
Grevster73 20:31 RT @cheersphilip: @richardsw16 but how do you teach 'passion'

#ukedchat <- u can ignite passion & spread enthusiasm
Children are our future and we must not leave any stone unturned in
educating them #ukedchat
cheersphilip 20:31 @curricadvocate succeed in what? #ukedchat
RT @DeputyHeadDunn: #ukedchat Late joining tonight. evenin' all.
ebd35 20:31 Education simple to me: to prepare the children in our care for their
future
@cheersphilip abroad compency based curr means skills not box
philallman1 20:31
ticking! #ukedchat
curricadvocate 20:31 @dajbelshaw #ukedchat the right direction is one that gives our pupils
the best possible chance to succeed. that is a unique recipe. so - no
jamesmichie 20:31 @albanystreet as byproduct but I feel there is a big focus in schools
today abt creating "good citizens" whoever they are? #ukedchat
KeelePhysGeog 20:31 #OneOfOneThousandGeograhers by tweeting this #. #ukedchat
#edchat
@ianpocock @colport I heard the gap was wider than that! Remember
JOHNSAYERS 20:31 that John Humphrys programme about the educational gap?
#ukedchat
@richardsw16 forget teaching common sense http://bit.ly/f6J806
cheersphilip 20:31
#ukedchat
ianpocock 20:31 @dajbelshaw for my 2 peneth I think it is about mobility. Whole driver
should be more level playing field regardless of background #ukedchat
mberry 20:31 @theother66 depends on how broad the horizons of the collective are.
Teachers, afterall, should be learners too. #ukedchat
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RT @dajbelshaw: RT @curricadvocate: #ukedchat the right direction is
firecrackercde 20:32 one that gives our pupils the best possible chance to succeed. that is a
unique recipe.
cheersphilip 20:32 @MrAColley a bit elitist this, but maybe only a few people are ever
going to be capable of changing things on global scale? #ukedchat
Smichael920 20:32 In many ways we still have a system that's about producing factory
workers. Certain facts 4 memorisation & hoops 2 jump thro #ukedchat
#ukedchat And we'll never all agree on what is completely 'right'!!
bellaale 20:32 #ukedchat the right direction is one that gives pupils best possible
chance 2 succeed. a unique recipe > yes - no "one-size-fits-all"
4goggas 20:32 #ukedchat. No. WE ARE NOT
#ukedchat Our job, everyone's job, is to make sure everyone else can
universityboy 20:32
choose their own direction without fear.
lordlumey 20:32 @MrAColley Exactly! I completely agree. #ukedchat
john_at_muuua 20:32 @philallman1 our bar is far too low. aiming to give students
'competent' or 'functional' skills rather than understanding. #ukedchat
Mackers1969 20:32 #ukedchat sorry folks-enjoying this but gov report and much besides is
calling. See folks in Chesterfiled on 3rd March. TTFN
Iris_Connect 20:32 @richardsw16 right but equipping children with effective tools,
ideaologies, beliefs and confidence is a great edu ukedchat
philallman1 20:32
@cheersphilip I didn't say anything about the workplace! #ukedchat
RT @cheersphilip: @richardsw16 but how do you teach 'passion'
richardsw16 20:32
#ukedchat <- let them choose the topics they like
@tomfranklin ah well now you are on my ground - and i can disagree!
didactylos 20:32
lol #purposed #ukedchat
@Mackers1969 exactly many layers of interdependencies in a society
theokk 20:32
#ukedchat #purposed
colport 20:32 @JOHNSAYERS @ianpocock Certainly by 18 the gap will be huge

#ukedchat - But also, it's about who you know, not what you know!!!
MrAColley 20:32 #ukedchat Current direction hasn't solved global warming or poverty.
Need to produce people who think differently so they can.
TheHeadsOffice 20:32 RT @DeputyHeadDunn: #ukedchat Will we ever be heading in the right

direction? All depends on your interpretation of 'right'
RT @Mackers1969 #ukedchat a talented artist has as much worth as a
nellmog 20:32 brilliant mathematician. Each contributes <but are they equally
valued?
albanystreet 20:32 @jamesmichie Yes - I agree that that push is actually destructive - you
can't force that sort of engagement! #ukedchat
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dajbelshaw 20:32 @4goggas Education in the UK. ;-) #ukedchat
@richardsw16 She likes your avatar, but thinks it's Thomas the Tank
AntHeald 20:32
Engine? Hyperextension? #ukedchat
curricadvocate 20:32 @jackieschneider @rmsimonwilliams #ukedchat - so we have to

ensure we claim it back. did we know what we were colluding with?
universityboy 20:32 #ukedchat Right direction for education is each individual going in own
direction that inspires, excites & furthers their horizon.
cheersphilip 20:32 @philallman1 succeed in workplace? No-one knows what that's going
to look like by the time they leave schl #ukedchat
competency is not competent - semantics perhaps but skills cn B
philallman1 20:33 attained at a multitude of levels #ukedchat trâ€¦ (cont)
http://deck.ly/~pTAWU
@MissSMitch @john_at_muuua #ukedchat - and someone is always at
curricadvocate 20:33 the bottom. those at bottom now would have been near top 10 yrs
ago?
#ukedchat will still check in background! Hurrah for bin men (&
Mackers1969 20:33
women)curricadvocate
You don't teach passion you nurture it and develop it until the learner
Nevagonnabslim 20:33
becomes the teacher #ukedchat
RT @DeputyMitchell: #ukedchat learning should be real & relevant to
jamesmichie 20:33 each child, that way learning continues out of school time as it's
challenging/interesting
russdev 20:33 @tomfranklin ok "To equip people for the future" as even if took a
class at 70 you are still improving your future. #purposed #ukedchat
didactylos 20:33 @tomfranklin #purposed #ukedchat to what extent are the languages
of specialism a way of preserving the guilds of the subjects?
john_at_muuua 20:33 @mosquitomax ironically so were we... everyone said something

different which amounted to 'work hard'! #ukedchat
RT @dughall: @cheersphilip You can't 'teach' passion. You model it. It
jennitonic80 20:33
is contagious. #ukedchat
rmsimonwilliams 20:33 #ukedchat so you can define what is right, by eliminating the wrong
(kind of the point of the discussion) what is the wrong path?!
@curricadvocate #ukedchat standards are essential, but who should
mattbuxton10 20:33 set them? banks 'important' enough to self-regulate, what about
education?
cheersphilip 20:33
@MrAColley actually that was totally elitist. never mind #ukedchat
dajbelshaw 20:33 @tutor2u What, based on genetic determinism? #ukedchat
#ukedchat - what should teachers do when we know gov policy
jackieschneider 20:33 actually damages "true" purpose of education? Shut door & do our
own thing?
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RT @dajbelshaw: I have *never* met anyone who's solely learned
universityboy 20:33 from the mistakes of others. Nice idea, doesn't work. #ukedchat
#purposed
richardsw16 20:33
DeputyMitchell 20:33 #ukedchat learning should be real & relevant to each child, that way
learning continues out of school time as it's challenging/interesting
@MrAColley How far has it caused it? Or permitted it to continue?
albanystreet 20:33
#ukedchat
ebd35 20:33 RT @Grevster73: RT @cheersphilip: @richardsw16 but how do you

teach 'passion' #ukedchat <- u can ignite passion & spread enthusiasm
RT @4goggas: #ukedchat. No. WE ARE NOT <--Which direction
dajbelshaw 20:33
*should* we be headed?
@Mackers1969 @Ideas_Factory #ukedchat - and my life would be
curricadvocate 20:33 more miserable without my bin man. this could begin to sound very
marxist!
I think we've just changed direction - down a back lane towards the
tutor2u 20:33
1950s. Blame Gove's faulty sat nav #ukedchat
@john_at_muuua this is where league table restirct prog - you can't
MissSMitch 20:33
exp with difference incase it fails #ukedchat
andreacarr1 20:34 Society/edu needs to recognise that we all hve different levels of
potential in diff areas of life/work. We are not all the same. #ukedchat
@dajbelshaw Hang on a mo whilst i go google "genetic determinism"
tutor2u 20:34
#ukedchat
RT @Creativeedu: RT @Nevagonnabslim: You don't teach passion you
lisibo 20:34 nurture it and develop it until the learner becomes the teacher
#ukedchat <LOVE this!
@nellmog given the govs desire to emphasise what can be measured
Smichael920 20:34
I'd say quite a lot!! #ukedchat
JOHNSAYERS 20:34 @colport @ianpocock that has a massive impact for sure on it! That's
why I joined this hoping it'd help me get places #ukedchat wink wink
@Arakwai @rmsimonwilliams @raff31 - I am not a number, I am a
freeman. Don't judge me by NC #ukedchat
lordlumey 20:34 Society isn't short of ICT or literacy or maths skills. It's short of
compassion. That's where education should be headed. #ukedchat
ricstu 20:34 #OneOfOneThousandGeograhers by tweeting this #. #ukedchat
#edchat
RT @jamesmichie: Wrong path leaves ppl behind closed door; right
dajbelshaw 20:34
path opens them. #ukedchat
Wrong path leaves ppl behind closed door; right path opens them.
jamesmichie 20:34
#ukedchat
@richardsw16 but how do you budget for them choosing whatever
cheersphilip 20:34
they like? MAybe not have schools! #ukedchat
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RT @john_at_muuua: we're stuck in current system & we ALL want
fredgarnett 20:34 students to reach potential #ukedchat Can be done
http://slidesha.re/hCJ6MH
albanystreet 20:34 Right direction won't be set while there is still the inspection and
league table driven model of education #ukedchat
RT @Nevagonnabslim: You don't teach passion you nurture it and
Creativeedu 20:34 develop it until the learner becomes the teacher #ukedchat <LOVE
this!
headteacher01 20:34 there must be a link between the purpose of education and the value
placed on it. Why do we have it? To improve our lives #ukedchat
bucharesttutor 20:34 @john_at_muuua if reinforcing our students with continuous work n

brain washing "repetition" is the key #ukedchat
RT @rmsimonwilliams: #ukedchat so you can define what is right, by
curricadvocate 20:34 eliminating the wrong (kind of the point of the discussion) what is the
wrong path?!
RT @didactylos: @tomfranklin #purposed #ukedchat to what extent
dajbelshaw 20:34 are the languages of specialism a way of preserving the guilds of
subjects?
@rmsimonwilliams the current one doesn't strike me as particularly
cheersphilip 20:34
enlightening #ukedchat
colport 20:35 @JOHNSAYERS I have been pleasantly surprised where it has taken me,
and my professional development! #ukedchat
Ustream is a popular video streaming site. Watch live and recorded
ICTmagic 20:35 video and upload your own. http://ustream.tv #edchat #ukedchat
#edtech
#ukedchat instil confidence, open up opportunities for individuals.
jennitonic80 20:35 Whether that's as a glass blower or lawyer. Biggest
hurdle=nonbelievers
RT @nellmog: I think education needs to be more open and
dajbelshaw 20:35 transparent so people are aware of what education could be
#ukedchat
ebd35 20:35 #ukedchat we need somehow to teach hope to those who haven't
been exposed to it. even more important than passion.
john_at_muuua 20:35 @curricadvocate my god yes... when I think of my skool days I dont
have the rt 2 wash the feet of GCSE grade A* students 2day! #ukedchat
mberry 20:35 The right direction is the one which makes things best for society, not
merely for the individual. These ends aren't incompatible. #ukedchat
cheersphilip 20:35 @nellmog how do you mean? #ukedchat
I think education needs to be more open and transparent so people
nellmog 20:35
are aware of what education could be #ukedchat
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4goggas 20:35 #ukedchat Smorgasboard of courses in an environment , online or
physical where people can pick up, put down what interests.
cheersphilip 20:35 @andreacarr1 I'm quite samey #ukedchat
RT @Creativeedu: RT @Nevagonnabslim: You don't teach passion you
richardsw16 20:35 nurture it and develop it until the learner becomes the teacher
MissSMitch 20:35 RT @dajbelshaw: OK. Half-way through. RT this: Are we heading in the
@jackieschneider Doing your own thing can be very hard though!
#purposed #ukedchat
RT @dajbelshaw: RT @jamesmichie: Wrong path leaves ppl behind
lisibo 20:35
closed door; right path opens them. #ukedchat
sadly we are heading in the RIGHT direction but politically not
philallman1 20:35
philosophically! #ukedchat
didactylos 20:35 @tomfranklin agreed a highly specialised learner is no use in a period

of change unless they have the skills to change? #purposed #ukedchat
curricadvocate 20:35 @rmsimonwilliams #ukedchat A great question. the wrong path is one
which limits the capacity of the individual to succeed.
andreacarr1 20:36 @cheersphilip surely not. :) #ukedchat
jackieschneider 20:36 @TerryWassall - true dat ( as the young folk say) #ukedchat
RT @Iris_Connect: RT @Nevagonnabslim: U don't teach passion u
cheersphilip 20:36 nurture it & develop it until the learner becomes the teacher
Iris_Connect 20:36 RT @Nevagonnabslim: U don't teach passion u nurture it & develop it

until the learner becomes the teacher #ukedchat <LOVE this!
philallman1 20:36 @todaystartsNOW too true! #ukedchat
ebd35 20:36
Education should provide us with the skills to solve problems and
Creativeedu 20:36
innovate #UkEdChat
@Mackers1969 Interesting that we got our mention with the fab bin
men! ;) #purposed #ukedchat
Nevagonnabslim 20:36 I sacked two hairdressers today cos school changed curriculum for eng
bacc! No longer needed next year. Disgusting #ukedchat
#ukedchat state education is there to meet the needs of the state - in
ethinking 20:36
the considered view of the elected politicians
jackieschneider 20:36 RT @CliveBuckley: We are not heading in the right direction. We are
fattening up cattle for slaughter #ukedchat
RT @nellmog: I think education needs to be more open and
universityboy 20:36 transparent so people are aware of what education could be
#ukedchat
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dawnhallybone 20:36 #OneOfOneThousandGeograhers by tweeting this #. #ukedchat
#edchat
@mattbuxton10 #ukedchat - and we're just getting rid of one of the
curricadvocate 20:36 independent bodies who regulates to replace with a DfE
group...#quango
@DeputyHeadDunn Thanks, will be part of my #500words #purposed
jamesmichie 20:36
blog post. #ukedchat
albanystreet 20:36 @cheersphilip @richardsw16 Take funding out - look at who is best to
provide the learning - let the funding follow them #ukedchat
If you think we're *not* heading in the right direction, what are your
dajbelshaw 20:36
*specific* objections? #ukedchat
RT @andreacarr1: Society/edu needs to recognise that we all hve
susanbanister 20:36 different levels of potential in diff areas of life/work. We are not all the
same. #ukedchat
#ukedchat Use children's passions within existing curriculum - not just
richardsw16 20:37
teacher's chosen topics.
dajbelshaw 20:37 RT @Dotgi: They can only be passionate about things they find out
about. Education should show them the way to get there. #ukedchat
@JamiePortman: schls do hv flexibility 2 develop learning exp that
MissSMitch 20:37 develop holistically rounded sdnts. #ukedchat <--Even with low
results?
nellmog 20:37 @cheersphilip to many people harp back to their own education and
compare todays schools to that I think that is short sighted #ukedchat
john_at_muuua 20:37
@dajbelshaw totally agree. failure makes us better. #ukedchat
If the right direction is political it is always going to change so better be
philosophical #purposed #ukedchat
cheersphilip 20:37 @andreacarr1 weeeell, maybe I'm a bit special! #ukedchat
RT @fredgarnett: RT @john_at_muuua: we're stuck in current system
davidcroberts 20:37 & we ALL want students to reach potential #ukedchat Can be done
http://slidesha.re/hCJ6MH
@TheHeadsOffice #ukedchat just trying to make sure I'm being equal
Mackers1969 20:37
;)
RT @Creativeedu: Education should provide us with the skills to solve
MrAColley 20:37
problems and innovate #UkEdChat
What's the purpose of education? Are we heading in the right
dajbelshaw 20:37
direction? #ukedchat #purposed
RT @Iris_Connect: RT @Nevagonnabslim: U don't teach passion u
ClaireJoanne35 20:37 nurture it & develop it until the learner becomes the teacher
They can only be passionate about things they find out about.
Dotgi 20:37 Education should be here to show them the way to get
there.#ukedchat
@ebd35 #ukedchat the teaching of hope is a wonderful value. nice
one!
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#ukedchat object to the absolute focus on one definition of
MrAColley 20:37
intelligence.
independent thinking is a crucial skill then whatever direction the
Grevster73 20:37
world takes, people are prepared #ukedchat
dajbelshaw 20:37 RT @jamesmichie: @DeputyMitchell True. That is something else that

bugs me - we need to be able to let kids fail at things. #ukedchat
@bucharesttutor so brainwashing is the future of education!?
john_at_muuua 20:37
#ukedchat ;-)
@DeputyMitchell True. That is something else that bugs me - we need
jamesmichie 20:37
to be able to let kids fail at things. #ukedchat
bucharesttutor 20:38 @john_at_muuua By brain washing I meant repeated calls of the value
if education n making it compulsory for every child #ukedchat ;)
@colport @ianpocock â€˜Children from poor homes are nearly a year
ianpocock 20:38 behind when they start school and two years behind by age 14â€™
#ukedchat
@lordlumey Isn't (main) purpose of primary education literacy and
dajbelshaw 20:38
numeracy? (seriously!) #ukedchat
#purposed #ukedchat you discover your own passion, then apply the
didactylos 20:38
skills you have to enjoy it
cheersphilip 20:38 @john_at_muuua LOL #ukedchat
bellaale 20:38
@richardsw16 thanks for Twitterfall tip! much better! #ukedchat
@cheersphilip now you know how our students feel dude! ;-)
john_at_muuua 20:38
#ukedchat
ukedchat 20:38 Worried about the #ukedchat archive tonight with these new longer
tweetdeck tweets! Should be interesting! 20 minutes remain!!!
@curricadvocate but how does one teach hope if everywhere else in
ebd35 20:38
their life there is little #ukedchat
#ukedchat perhaps school should be the "sandbox" in which we learn
mosquitomax 20:38
how to fail, then overcome our limitations
57mason 20:38
education = social justice, no one gets left behind#ukedchat
#ukedchat wonder what will come after all the students get A*'s at A-
Level... A**'s? hmm...
Smichael920 20:38 Education shouldn't b passive, done 2 u should b active & engaging.
Create ownership of learner over process #ukedchat
cheersphilip 20:38 @richardsw16 but current teachers are note equipped to handle the
dynamisysm (spelling?) of that environment #ukedchat
@jennitonic80 I agree. We need to instill belief and confidence in
susanbanister 20:38
individuals #ukedchat
RT @JamiePortman: I hope all those contributing to #ukedchat tonight
jamesmichie 20:38 are positively driving change in their own school circumstances. IF
NOT, WHY NOT?
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lordlumey 20:38 More than anything else, the purpose of primary education is to open
kids' eyes to all that interesting stuff out there. #ukedchat
watfordpete 20:38 @mberry Yes. Most 16 y olds I saw accepted curriculum school gave
them. Could not see that they could own it #ukedchat
RT @Dawnhallybone @geocollective: Love your geography? Be listed
Ergotron 20:38 as #OneOfOneThousandGeograhers by tweeting this #. #ukedchat
#edchat
curricadvocate 20:38 @CreativeEdu #ukedchat should we define the problems that we learn
to solve? Can you teach skills without content?
Are all children entitled to the same education? If so, who decides
Grevster73 20:38
what that is? #ukedchat
dughall 20:38 @ebd35 Hope, like passion, is another thing that isn't so much taught
as modelled and drawn out/nurtured imo #ukedchat
JamiePortman 20:38 I hope all those contributing to #ukedchat tonight are positively driving
change in their own school circumstances. IF NOT, WHY NOT?
How can we provide the right path for every child in every lesson?
Iris_Connect 20:38
#ukedchat
cheersphilip 20:38 I'm getting lost ! #ukedchat
dughall 20:39 @ebd35 I appreciate that. #ukedchat
NinaFCollins 20:39
@CliveBuckley Totally admire your passion for education.#ukedchat
lisibo 20:39 @john_at_muuua @dajbelshaw - exactly. But it can be painful and kids
need to experience failure to be able to cope with it. #ukedchat
RT @cheersphilip: @andreacarr1 weeeell, maybe I'm a bit special!
#ukedchat >We all are!
cheersphilip 20:39 @mberry to a certain level, yes #ukedchat
JOHNSAYERS 20:39 De Bono thinking from the 70s still has great value! Do we need to
reinvent t wheel or select a better tool box of self skilling? #ukedchat
dajbelshaw 20:39 RT @mberry: generally it's in the state's best interests to have an
educated populace. I think this is still true here, yes? #ukedchat
@dajbelshaw is there one direction that is right for all? #ukedchat
dawnhallybone 20:39
#purposed
RT @Smichael920: In many ways we still have a system that's about
jackieschneider 20:39 producing factory workers. Certain facts 4 memorisation & hoops 2
jump thro #ukedchat
albanystreet 20:39 @Grevster73 I would argue they are all entitled to the same
opportunity not necessarily the same content / delivery #ukedchat
@dughall but not enough hours in the day to do this for some :o(
ebd35 20:39
#ukedchat
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mberry 20:39 @rmsimonwilliams generally it's in the state's best interests to have an
educated populace. I think this is still true here, yes? #ukedchat
nellmog 20:39 @JamiePortman yes I keep banging my head against that brick wall but
I will keep trying to make people think #ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:39 @curricadvocate I think it depends what type of person you are... I am
happy to solve a problem I can't quite define... #UkEdChat
#ukedchat Education is for helping others understand they don't
universityboy 20:39 *have* to be right. Long to be wrong. @dougald says that. I agree with
him.
dajbelshaw 20:39 RT @mosquitomax: #ukedchat perhaps school should be the

"sandbox" in which we learn how to fail, then overcome our limitations
AntHeald 20:39 RT @lordlumey: Society not short of ICT, lit or maths skills: short of
compassion.That's where ed should be headed. #ukedchat <call it love
RT @ukedchat: Worried about the #ukedchat archive tonight with
dajbelshaw 20:39 these new longer tweetdeck tweets! Should be interesting! 20 minutes
remain!!
RT @jamesmichie: @DeputyMitchell we need to be able to let kids fail
richardsw16 20:39
at things. #ukedchat
RT @lordlumey: Society isn't short of ICT or literacy or maths skills. It's
jennitonic80 20:39 short of compassion. That's where education should be headed.
#ukedchat
Future curriculum looks to lack creativity & thinking skills Both vital!
#purposed #ukedchat
john_at_muuua 20:39 @mosquitomax nice idea. want to use it. #ukedchat
RT @lordlumey: More than anything else, the purpose of primary
rmsimonwilliams 20:39 education is to open kids' eyes to all that interesting stuff out there.
#ukedchat
@curricadvocate @rmsimonwilliams - yep! We knew narrow focus on
jackieschneider 20:39 league tables would fail kids but we went along with it #culpable
#ukedchat
todaystartsNOW 20:40 #ukedchat governments are looking at more apprenticeships, less uni
places, and jobs centred around growing sectors... makes me sad...
dajbelshaw 20:40 @lordlumey My son's interested in equivalent fractions. He just calls

them pizza slices and bits of cake. ;-) #ukedchat
RT @dawnhallybone: as samuel beckett said we should be teaching
MissSMitch 20:40
children to fail better #ukedchat
Nevagonnabslim 20:40 I believe the main purpose of primary should be socialisation , self
esteem, enterprise then knowledge and skills. #ukedchat
@lordlumey I think a purpose of primary educ is to LISTEN to the child
ebd35 20:40
and HEAR them #ukedchat
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jamesmichie 20:40 @jennitonic80 I think that home life perspective is often neglected in
these debates. That is why we nd a ppl centered curriculum. #ukedchat
@jackieschneider @rmsimonwilliams #ukedchat harsh but fair
curricadvocate 20:40 assessment of the profession with regards to league tables.
#fightforwhatisright
as samuel beckett said we should be teaching children to fail better
dawnhallybone 20:40
#ukedchat
rmsimonwilliams 20:40 @mberry #ukedchat totally - but I guess if it's paid for by the state,
they decide what it consists of; if not, then freedom to choose?
@mberry but I don't think they know how to achieve this objective!
cheersphilip 20:40
#ukedchat
lostmoya 20:40 RT @TerryWassall Education is a process that reproduces society.

What it is *for* depends on what sort of society you want #ukedchat
JfB57 20:40 RT @Grevster73: Are all children entitled to the same education? If so,
who decides what that is? #ukedchat >Strange question!
@dawnhallybone @dajbelshaw We're all heading in a different
universityboy 20:40 direction. Doesn't mean we all reach different destinations. #ukedchat
#purposed
PhilWheeler1 20:40 RT @tutor2u: I think we've just changed direction - down a back lane
towards the 1950s. Blame Gove's faulty sat nav #ukedchat
DeputyHeadDunn 20:40 RT @DeputyHeadDunn: @dajbelshaw @lordlumey Absolutely Literacy

and numeracy. First and foremost #ukedchat
john_at_muuua 20:40 @bucharesttutor what of art and freedom? fearful of a Japanese style
system so perfect that creativity is on the backburner. #ukedchat
dajbelshaw 20:40 RT @dawnhallybone: Is there one direction that is right for all?
#ukedchat #purposed <--How else would you organise education? :-o
Creativeedu 20:40 why are tweetdeck tweets longer? @ukedchat
RT @tutor2u: Education output: I'll go for: engrained work ethic;
PhilWheeler1 20:40 respect; emotional intelligence; optimism; ambition & highly IT literate
#ukedchat
RT @dawnhallybone: as samuel beckett said we should be teaching
ethinking 20:41 children to fail better #ukedchat <<<<<I kneâ€¦ (cont)
http://deck.ly/~0UlqR
andreacarr1 20:41 @TheHeadsOffice @cheersphilip #ukedchat. Group hug :)
My 14 month old daughter was assessed as having some skills of a 20
Creativeedu 20:41 month old. I was proud. Why? under 2 and driven by results??
#UkEdChat
To decide what education should be - what do you want for your
CliveBuckley 20:41
children? #ukedchat
@ebd35 #ukedchat as teacher we are uniquely placed to be a beacon
curricadvocate 20:41 of hope. one word can make a difference. usually the one we didn't
plan!
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@MissSMitch Yep. Should be ongoing and hand in hand to drive up
JamiePortman 20:41 standards. It begins in everyday practice. 'Got stuck?' 'C3B4ME'
#ukedchat
rashush2 20:41 #ukedchat tired of being told by management my kids are failing even
when they've gone up a level in a year. Not the point.
RT @DeputyHeadDunn: RT @dawnhallybone: as samuel beckett said
mosquitomax 20:41 we should be teaching children to fail better #ukedchat> Absolutely!
Again!!
PhilWheeler1 20:41 RT @Nevagonnabslim: You don't teach passion you nurture it and
develop it until the learner becomes the teacher #ukedchat
RT @john_at_muuua: @lisibo as with many things, coping with failure
MrAColley 20:41
should be a life skill. #ukedchat
RT @dawnhallybone: @dajbelshaw is there one direction that is right
for all? #ukedchat #purposed >I'd say no
DeputyHeadDunn 20:41 RT @dawnhallybone: as samuel beckett said we should be teaching

children to fail better #ukedchat> Absolutely! Again!!
cheersphilip 20:41 @didactylos yep, nice idea #purposed #ukedchat
JOHNSAYERS 20:41 Do we tinker too much with education practice and not give pupils
enough practice time in certain skills? #ukedchat
universityboy 20:41 RT @dajbelshaw: @lordlumey My son's interested in equivalent

fractions. He just calls them pizza slices and bits of cake. ;-) #ukedchat
RT @DeputyMitchell: #ukedchat learning should be real & relevant to
SkoorBttaM 20:41 each child, that way learning continues out of school time as it's
challenging/interesting
RT @bellaale: @richardsw16 thanks for Twitterfall tip! much better!
ebd35 20:41
#ukedchat
RT @mberry: The right direction is the one which makes things best for
cultmidia 20:41 society, not merely for the individual. These ends aren't incompatible.
#ukedchat
@tomfranklin aaargh, ok our skills and mores direct the passion to
didactylos 20:41 reading about the subject.... (squirming on that one) #purposed
#ukedchat
@lisibo as with many things, coping with failure should be a life skill.
john_at_muuua 20:41
#ukedchat
RT @Smichael920: Educn shouldn't b passive, done 2 u should b active
susanbanister 20:41 & engaging. Create ownership of learner over process #ukedchat >oh
yes
fredgarnett 20:41 @john_at_muuua I've watched yours http://muuua.com/ have you

watched mine? http://slidesha.re/hCJ6MH #ukedchat
RT @Smichael920: In many ways we still have a system that's about
SallyGimson 20:42 producing factory workers. Certain facts 4 memorisation & hoops 2
jump thro #ukedchat
@curricadvocate agree completely which is why listening is so
ebd35 20:42
important and not cramming for exams #ukedchat
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@DeputyHeadDunn @dajbelshaw @jamesmichie Failing and coping
DeputyMitchell 20:42 with it (bouncebackability) will be much more important in future!
#ukedchat
@mberry but if that alternative is only offered for the few how is that
philallman1 20:42
fair? #ukedchat
jennitonic80 20:42 @JamiePortman no. because there are too many idiots above me who
don't practise what they preach. Frustrating. #ukedchat
RT @dajbelshaw: RT @CliveBuckley: To decide what education should
Iris_Connect 20:42 be - what do you want for your children? #ukedchat <--KEY POINT!
Agreed
todaystartsNOW 20:42 #ukedchat...why...because we've lost what meaning of self worth, and
core values. Pupils are not figures, they are our future leaders.
ClaireJoanne35 20:42 @CreativeEdu but aren't we all? #ukedchat
jackieschneider 20:42 are positively driving change in their own school circumstances. IF
NOT, WHY NOT?
@dawnhallybone Surely we can agree on key skills, competencies and
dajbelshaw 20:42
knowledge? #ukedchat #purposed
colport 20:42
Does this #ukedchat debate need to explore pedagogy too? #ukedchat
If primary education is focussed too strongly on needlessly early
lordlumey 20:42 attainment of knowledge, kids lost their passion; game over.
#ukedchat
@rmsimonwilliams this is [one of the few] moral arguments for
mberry 20:42 independent education - there should at least be an alternative.
#ukedchat
@tomfranklin I agree, its the way that is done that we need to explore
didactylos 20:42
#purposed #ukedchat
RT @richardsw16: #ukedchat Use children's passions within existing
curriculum - not just teacher's chosen topics.
RT @cheersphilip @richardsw16 current teachers can't handle
richardsw16 20:42 dynamisysm of that environment #ukedchat < ask the children then
plan lessons?
@mberry teachers should be learners but should also be good
theother66 20:42 facilitators of others' learning through being part of the collective
#ukedchat
RT @ebd35: @lordlumey I think a purpose of primary educ is to LISTEN
fredgarnett 20:42
to the child and HEAR them #ukedchat
#ukedchat I hope that education is about learning the joys of 'how to
JaneWoods3 20:42
learn' as well as how to contribute to society.
dajbelshaw 20:42 RT @CliveBuckley: To decide what education should be - what do you

want for your children? #ukedchat <--KEY POINT!
Think we shld launch "The School of Failure" - see how many parents
jamesmichie 20:42
send their kids. ;-P #ukedchat
dawnhallybone 20:42 @dajbelshaw we can org but does one size fit all - should learning be
personal as well as purposeful? #ukedchat #purposed
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RT @andreacarr1: @TheHeadsOffice @cheersphilip #ukedchat. Group
cheersphilip 20:42
hug :)
#ukedchat - to learn is to be human. Our education "should" equip us
for this but too often it acts as a barrier
bucharesttutor 20:43 RT @ethinking: #ukedchat - let children be children - let them gorw
and play - we can heap them up with neuroses and anxiety later
JOHNSAYERS 20:43 KS3 - KS4 are we brave enough to keep teaching skills or do people get
dragged into the content drive too much? #ukedchat
dajbelshaw 20:43
@TomFranklin That's what we're debating. ;-) #ukedchat #purposed
RT @richardsw16: RT @dajbelshaw: RT @mberry: educated populace
cheersphilip 20:43
<- educated for what though?#ukedchat
RT @dajbelshaw: RT @mberry: educated populace <- educated for
richardsw16 20:43
what though?#ukedchat
nellmog 20:43 I come accross far to many students for who the first time they
experience "failure" is at A'level is that right? #ukedchat
@MrAColley Couldn't agree more, how often do we encounter G&T
te_ach_er 20:43 pupils without coping coping strategies when they can't do
something?#ukedchat
think we should to see education as an ecosystem (of learning) rather
theokk 20:43
than a roadmap #ukedchat #purposed
ethinking 20:43 #ukedchat - let children be children - let them gorw and play - we can
heap them up with neuroses and anxiety later
JamiePortman 20:43 @nellmog EXCELLENT! Keep banging against the brick wall until they
see sense. We are soldiers and probably in a minority :-)
@dawnhallybone @dajbelshaw all learning shld have purpose 4 the
jamesmichie 20:43 personalities in front of us. But purpose can b 2 enjoy learning.
#ukedchat
I wanted my children to enjoy education - sadly league table, SATS
CliveBuckley 20:43
took that enjoyment away #ukedchat
#ukedchat @dajbelshaw @CliveBuckley - if you were a kid, what would
you want?!
Standards - politician's favourite word - r not the right direction!
Grevster73 20:43
#ukedchat
albanystreet 20:43 @JOHNSAYERS I think political urge to tinker has brought us here,
policy dictated by political cycle & desire to see results now #ukedchat
RT @colport: Does this #ukedchat debate need to explore pedagogy
dajbelshaw 20:43
too? #ukedchat <--Nah, more philosophical! ;-)
TheHeadsOffice 20:43 RT @jackieschneider: #ukedchat - to learn is to be human. Our

education "should" equip us for this but too often it acts as a barrier
RT @dajbelshaw: RT @CliveBuckley: To decide what education should
mosquitomax 20:43 be - what do you want for your children? #ukedchat >>>> Who decides
this?
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MissSMitch 20:43 @JamiePortman I agree completely - think some people may see it as
a barrier though and drive content at expense of skills #ukedchat
familysimpson 20:44 And I'm back in the room #ukedchat
RT @mosquitomax: RT @theokk: think we should to see education as
Grevster73 20:44 an ecosystem (of learning) rather than a roadmap #ukedchat
#purposed >> Nice.
@dajbelshaw sadly at gig between sets reading #ukedchat stream!!! A
Joga5 20:44
great discussion to catch up on 2moro!!
RT @mosquitomax: RT @theokk: think we should to see education as
cheersphilip 20:44 an ecosystem (of learning) rather than a roadmap #ukedchat
#purposed >> Nice.
DeputyHeadDunn 20:44 @DeputyMitchell @dajbelshaw @jamesmichie Bouncebackability -

getting that into my assembly tomorrow! #ukedchat
RT @CliveBuckley: RT @rmsimonwilliams: #ukedchat @dajbelshaw
cheersphilip 20:44 @CliveBuckley - if you were a kid, what would you want?! To allow me
to explore what I loved
mosquitomax 20:44 RT @theokk: think we should to see education as an ecosystem (of

learning) rather than a roadmap #ukedchat #purposed >> Nice.
RT @didactylos: RT @theokk: think we should to see education as an
dajbelshaw 20:44 ecosystem (of learning) rather than a roadmap #ukedchat #purposed
<-Yep
mberry 20:44 @philallman1 I didn't say it was fair. #ukedchat. Home schooling is also
a viable alternative, but again not an option for all. #ukedchat
RT @rmsimonwilliams: #ukedchat @dajbelshaw @CliveBuckley - if you
CliveBuckley 20:44 were a kid, what would you want?! To allow me to explore what I
loved
dawnhallybone 20:44 @jamesmichie yep #ukedchat
didactylos 20:44 RT @theokk: think we should to see education as an ecosystem (of

learning) rather than a roadmap #ukedchat #purposed
cheersphilip 20:44
@jennitonic80 so many get to secondary and crumble #ukedchat
fullonlearning 20:44 RT @theokk: think we should to see education as an ecosystem (of

learning) rather than a roadmap #ukedchat #purposed
dmchugh675 20:44 RT @ethinking: #ukedchat - let children be children - let them gorw
and play - we can heap them up with neuroses and anxiety later
@dajbelshaw yes .... agree shld be about learning #ukedchat
dawnhallybone 20:44
#purposed
@MissSMitch 'Drive content at expense of skills' mores the pity when
fredgarnett 20:44
#contextisqueen #ukedchat
57mason 20:44 RT @CliveBuckley: I wanted my children to enjoy education - sadly

league table, SATS took that enjoyment away #ukedchat
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RT @ethinking: #ukedchat - let children be children - let them gorw
john_at_muuua 20:44 and play - we can heap them up with neuroses and anxiety later
AGREED
jennitonic80 20:44 @rmsimonwilliams @lordlumey #ukedchat and then ruin all that hard
work at primary by sending them thru secondary system
DeputyMitchell 20:44 @richardsw16 Agree entirely!!! #ukedchat!
@IRIS_Connect #ukedchat should we be 'providing' the right path, or
mattbuxton10 20:44 giving them the map & compass and setting them off on their own
path?
janwebb21 20:45 RT @dawnhallybone: @theokk @lisibo learning from others that have
gone before important lessons there #ukedchat #purposed
dawnhallybone 20:45 @dajbelshaw yes as a foundation#ukedchat #purposed
#ukedchat Educated for what? Diff govts have different ideas - work,
richardsw16 20:45
business, social. Focus swings both ways.
lordlumey 20:45 @todaystartsNOW Precisely. #ukedchat
RT @fredgarnett: @MissSMitch 'Drive content at expense of skills'
MissSMitch 20:45
mores the pity - I agree - a big mistake #ukedchat
Mackers1969 20:45 RT @BAFDiploma: http://j.mp/h5hNwX to which @Mackers1969 was

referring. Still funny and infuriating! #ukedchat Thanks for the link :)
familysimpson 20:45
57mason 20:45
@JOHNSAYERS or even resitting exams #ukedchat #whatisthepoint?
HAH26 20:45 #ukedchat ed should be student centred not whole school target
driven. Creative, dynamic, challenging, inspiring and skill developing.
te_ach_er 20:45 @richardsw16 Workplace skills are changing so quickly who knows
what today's 4 year olds will need to be educated for#ukedchat
ianpocock 20:45 @jackieschneider have been banging about being a place that ensures
poorest don't get left behind. Sadly not sure its working #ukedchat
susanbanister 20:45 Will any govt be brave enough to try something new in education or
just tinker with it in cycles as it has done for years? #ukedchat
theokk 20:45 @didactylos #ukedchat #purposed that's how we make the parts fit
together and sorts out the latin scholar and plumber dichotomy
RT @didactylos: RT @theokk: think we should to see education as an
fredgarnett 20:45 ecosystem #ukedchat #purposed < Yes! We call it an Ecology of
Resources
familysimpson 20:45 RT @dawnhallybone: @theokk @lisibo learning from others that have
gone before important lessons there #ukedchat #purposed
BAFDiploma 20:45 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-12171281 to which

@Mackers1969 was referring. Still funny and infuriating! #ukedchat
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RT @jennitonic80: @rmsimonwilliams @lordlumey #ukedchat and
ebd35 20:45 then ruin all that hard work at primary by sending (cont)
http://tl.gd/8o515f
RT @dawnhallybone: @dajbelshaw yes .... agree shld be about learning
philallman1 20:45 #ukedchat #purposed< which is why whitâ€¦ (cont)
http://deck.ly/~c9mcM
#ukedchat has anyone read 'in place of schools' ? J Adcock - a nice tale
ethinking 20:45
that will shake you to your boots
@jennitonic80 @rmsimonwilliams The sad thing is that the pressure is
lordlumey 20:45
there to ruin it all by the end of KS1. #ukedchat
#ukedchat there still seems 2b an assumption that many life skills will
Smichael920 20:45
be picked up by osmosis
12 mins left. If you haven't contributed 140 characters on what you
dajbelshaw 20:46 believe purpose of education to be, now's the time! #ukedchat
#purposed
cheersphilip 20:46 RT @fredgarnett: @john_at_muuua spot on! I've spent years too,
hence the Craft of Teaching (takes 10,000 hours) #ukedchat
@john_at_muuua spot on! I've spent years too, hence the Craft of
fredgarnett 20:46
Teaching (takes 10,000 hours) #ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:46 he said all employers care about is GCSEs so why waste time with all
the rest of it. Am I blinkered to think otherwise? #UkEdChat
@philallman1 i agree and politicians debating it the other night
dawnhallybone 20:46
thought this was a good thing! #ukedchat #purposed
RT @CliveBuckley: @HAH26 You said 'will need to be educated for' are
cheersphilip 20:46
we educating for a role? #ukedchat
RT @andreacarr1: Society/edu needs to recognise that we all hve
familysimpson 20:46 different levels of potential in diff areas of life/work. We are not all the
same. #ukedchat
john_at_muuua 20:46
@colport that's the parent's mantra far too often. #ukedchat
RT @Creativeedu: a colleague said to me today the only output he was
cheersphilip 20:46 interested in from his son's education was his GCSEs. I was horriried.
#UkEdChat
@HAH26 You said 'will need to be educated for' are we educating for
CliveBuckley 20:46
a role? #ukedchat
@richardsw16 what? for the next day? what if i need to order some
cheersphilip 20:46
timber? #ukedchat
@HAH26 Sounds fantastic. Current government running the opposite
colport 20:46
way though? :-s #ukedchat
Grevster73 20:46 RT @richardsw16: #ukedchat Educated for what? Diff govts have
different ideas - work, business, social. Focus swings both ways.
Creativeedu 20:46 a colleague said to me today the only output he was interested in from
his son's education was his GCSEs. I was horriried. #UkEdChat
@richardsw16 #ukedchat governments want to stamp their own mark
todaystartsNOW 20:47 on every government department.... perhaps with yp suffering at every
change
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it's impossible to seek direction unless one is able to stand still and
john_at_muuua 20:47
know where we are. #ukedchat
@albanystreet @albanystreet #ukedchat that was my excuse for
janwebb21 20:47
arriving late!!! #ukedchat
@jennitonic80 Understandable but resilience is needed. Change
JamiePortman 20:47 makers dont fall at the 1st hurdle. You are part of a movement
#ukedchat
Education is there to enable individuals to feel they mean something
CliveBuckley 20:47
#ukedchat
@CreativeEdu: he was interested his GCSEs. <---- is it a sad reflection
MissSMitch 20:47
of society? #UkEdChat
#purposed #ukedchat got to say the EBacc represents the pinnacle of
didactylos 20:47
what I do not want in education
Creativeedu 20:47 @Smichael920 I can still chant the definition of osmosis by rote...
that's the WRONG kind of education in my book! #UkEdChat
RT @albanystreet: Sadly have to log off - family calling - brilliant,
dajbelshaw 20:47
inspiring discussion, thank you #ukedchat
57mason 20:47
@susanbanister i think, sadly we know the answer to that #ukedchat
@HAH26 Agreed. When not centred on student, focus is lost. Does
universityboy 20:47 education truly occur when not focusing engaging on student needs?
#ukedchat
RT @Creativeedu: a colleague said to me today the only output he was
jamesmichie 20:47 interested in from his son's education was his GCSEs. I was horriried.
#UkEdChat
Sadly have to log off - family calling - brilliant, inspiring discussion,
albanystreet 20:47
thank you #ukedchat
janwebb21 20:47 @CliveBuckley or is educating about building prepared-ness for

whatever life/work throws at us? resilience? adaptablity? #ukedchat
President Mubarak speaking right now LIVE on television #ukedchat
hopefully he steps down
@te_ach_er exactly - they need to develop skills for jobs that don't yet
exist #ukedchat
SkoorBttaM 20:47 RT @Smichael920: Education shouldn't b passive, done 2 u should b

active & engaging. Create ownership of learner over process #ukedchat
Dotgi 20:47 @familysimpson You catch it when you find out about what you will be
passionate about. It's about discovery. Passion is within . #ukedchat
cheersphilip 20:47 @fredgarnett I agree wholeheartedly! #ukedchat
@Mackers1969 Never a problem. He was so rude in that discussion.
BAFDiploma 20:47
#ukedchat
RT @HAH26: #ukedchat ed should be student centred not whole
rmsimonwilliams 20:47 school target driven. Creative, dynamic, challenging, inspiring and skill
developing.
RT @Creativeedu: RT @cheersphilip You can't 'teach' passion. You
john_at_muuua 20:48
model it. It is contagious. #ukedchat
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@dajbelshaw to give students the skills and desire to learn for life
DebbieSwan 20:48
#ukedchat
RT @familysimpson: @camaxwell @jamesmichie conservative or plain
cheersphilip 20:48 scared that the ground is changing underneath their feet? #ukedchat
#edupunk :-)
cheersphilip 20:48 scared that the ground is changing underneath their feet? #ukedchat
#edupunk :-)
RT @nicovillena: RT @cheersphilip: The #purposed should be to get
dajbelshaw 20:48 people absolutely fascinated in the world around them. #ukedchat
/agree!
curricadvocate 20:48 @susanbanister #ukedchat we were about to go down a braver path in

primary b4 May7th 2010...mourns the loss of Rose...
jamesmichie 20:48 scared that the ground is changing underneath their feet? #ukedchat
#edupunk :-)
ClaireJoanne35 20:48 @didactylos in what way? #ukedchat
RT @CreativeEdu: RT @cheersphilip You can't 'teach' passion. You
dajbelshaw 20:48
janwebb21 20:48
#ukedchat #purposed sorry I was late - sorting out son's education!
familysimpson 20:48 @camaxwell @jamesmichie conservative or plain scared that the

ground is changing underneath their feet? #ukedchat #edupunk :-)
nicovillena 20:48 RT @cheersphilip: The #purposed should be to get people absolutely

fascinated in the world around them. #ukedchat /agree!
RT @DeputyHeadDunn: @CreativeEdu @Smichael920 But rote
learning does have its place #ukedchat
dajbelshaw 20:48 @TomFranklin Not if you're in the middle of the jungle and the
purpose of education is to survive. ;-) #ukedchat #purposed
mosquitomax 20:48 RT @CliveBuckley: Education is there to enable individuals to feel they

mean something #ukedchat >> Spot on, confident in themselves!
RT @janwebb21: @CliveBuckley or is educating about building
MissSMitch 20:48 prepared-ness for whatever life/work throws at us? resilience etc
#ukedchat
RT @cheersphilip You can't 'teach' passion. You model it. It is
Creativeedu 20:48
contagious. #ukedchat
Grevster73 20:48 RT @cheersphilip: The #purposed should be to get people absolutely

fascinated in the world around them. #ukedchat
nellmog 20:48 RT @didactylos: #purposed #ukedchat got to say the EBacc represents
the pinnacle of what I do not want in education <agreed!
@cheersphilip Craft of Teaching 2011 http://slidesha.re/hCJ6MH
fredgarnett 20:48
#ukedchat
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bellaale 20:48 @susanbanister only way 2 create GREAT system is for it 2 stand
outside political control. Or will only work in 5-yr cycles... #ukedchat
The #purposed should be to get people absolutely fascinated in the
cheersphilip 20:48
world around them. #ukedchat
RT @janwebb21: @albanystreet @albanystreet #ukedchat that was
Grevster73 20:48
my excuse for arriving late!!! #ukedchat
HAH26 20:49 #ukedchat if we enable students to learn to learn and be excited by

learning, progress is the result. Higher order thinking skills- hurrah!
bellaale 20:49
RT @dajbelshaw: RT @nicovillena: RT @cheersphilip: The #purposed
GillDeCosemo 20:49 should be to get people absolutely fascinated in the world around
them. #ukedchat /agree!
@ianpocock - should be the least a society committed to equality
would demand! #ukedchat
@curricadvocate I know it is a shame that children get lost in
susanbanister 20:49
politicians egos #ukedchat
fullonlearning 20:49
richardsw16 20:49
RT @jamesmichie Bouncebackability< brilliant word! #ukedchat
@jennitonic80 Whoah! I'm speaking up for secondary teachers here...
dajbelshaw 20:49
#ukedchat
RT @janwebb21: #ukedchat #purposed sorry I was late - sorting out
son's education!> So are we! lol
janwebb21 20:49 should be to get people absolutely fascinated in the world around
Long day just caught a glimpse of #ukedchat #purposed will have to
fullonlearning 20:49
catch up on archive. Night all!
Creativeedu 20:50 what is #purposed please? #UkEdChat
nickbatchelor 20:50 Weekly Google Apps for Education webinars http://j.mp/dOHh8G

teaching using the tools of tomorrow? #ukedchat #CPD
@colport Rose is going to be part of the consultation of new review
apparently #purposed #ukedchat
JOHNSAYERS 20:50 @susanbanister then schools get caught in the cycle at different stages
and so variations in quality occur and then gaps develop #ukedchat
RT @janwebb21: @nellmog it certainly looks like it! just turned on
jamesmichie 20:50 tweetdeck and the pace shows just how much passion there is about
#purposed #ukedchat
john_at_muuua 20:50 RT @susanbanister: @curricadvocate I know it is a shame that children

get lost in politicians egos #ukedchat agreed 100%
raff31 20:50
#ukedchat play games, have fun and learn a bit along the way
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familysimpson 20:50 RT @jamesmichie: Think we shld launch "The School of Failure" - see
how many parents send their kids. ;-P #ukedchat
@MissSMitch I would tend to agree with that, personal skills are vital
te_ach_er 20:50
#ukedchat
@nellmog it certainly looks like it! just turned on tweetdeck and the
janwebb21 20:50 pace shows just how much passion there is about #purposed
#ukedchat
CliveBuckley 20:50 Most important is we the thought we have a place. Education is just a
part of that. But let's help everyone feel they have a place #ukedchat
colport 20:50 @curricadvocate @susanbanister The Rose Report had great potential.
Really looked at the purpose of (primary) education #ukedchat
RT @Dotgi: @familysimpson You catch it when you find out about
familysimpson 20:51 what you will be passionate about. It's about discovery. Passion is
within . #ukedchat
RT @colport: @TheHeadsOffice @philallman1 I'll believe it when I see
philallman1 20:51
it! #ukedchat< me too!
cheersphilip 20:51 @CliveBuckley I'll have the plaice #ukedchat
I want to belong. Maybe everyone feels that? Let's educate our young
CliveBuckley 20:51
to belong. #ukedchat
richmayf 20:51 are positively driving change in their own school circumstances. IF
NOT, WHY NOT?
@DeputyHeadDunn needs to involve talking WITH them about their
janwebb21 20:51
learning, doesn't it! #ukedchat #purposed
RT @CreativeEdu: what is #purposed please? #UkEdChat er
susanbanister 20:51
@dajbelshaw do you want to explain?
fredgarnett 20:51 @mberry @AgileLearning interview with Annie Weekes on Home

Schooling by David Jennings http://bit.ly/fFAplM #ukedchat
AntHeald 20:51 Is elephant in the room capitalist society? Just not geared toward
mutually enriching community that I want to be educator in #ukedchat
cheersphilip 20:51 @CreativeEdu what do you think? #purposed #UkEdChat
TheHeadsOffice 20:51 @CreativeEdu Purpose of education #ukedchat #purposed
colport 20:51
@TheHeadsOffice @philallman1 I'll believe it when I see it! #ukedchat
dajbelshaw 20:51 @TomFranklin I'm just saying that #purposed is contextual and that's
why each society needs to thrash it out. #ukedchat
RT @susanbanister It is a shame that children get lost in politicians
GillDeCosemo 20:51
egos #ukedchat
cheersphilip 20:51
@familysimpson they have no idea what to do! #ukedchat #edupunk
john_at_muuua 20:51
the direction of education should be taken from this forum #ukedchat
Learning must be cultivated and yes we as educators must help
nurture them among the students #ukedchat
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Choosing Prim Sch, both better and half and I want a sound grounding
BAFDiploma 20:51 in literacy and numeracy, most importantly a love of learning
#ukedchat
@AntHeald not really other ideologies just as prescriptive and narrow
theokk 20:52
-if not more so? #ukedchat #purposed
RT @jamesmichie: Purpose of edu is to enable anyone (note I did not
nicovillena 20:52 say kids) 2 b free from shackles of society & 2 think 4 themselves.
#ukedchat #purposed
MrAColley 20:52 #ukedchat the #purposed is to enthuse kids to question the world.
Then help to discover answers or foster skills to create new solutions.
RT @TheHeadsOffice: Future curriculum looks to lack creativity &
andymellor64 20:52
thinking skills Both vital! #purposed #ukedchat
cheersphilip 20:52 @bellaale what will they do? #ukedchat #snowballsinhell
janwebb21 20:52 @CliveBuckley ok, so that is part of Maslow - but we also want them to
feel confident to know when not belonging is ok too! #ukedchat
jamesmichie 20:52 Purpose of edu is to enable anyone (note I did not say kids) 2 b free
from shackles of society & 2 think 4 themselves. #ukedchat #purposed
@TomFranklin Exactly. It's an ongoing debate. http://purposed.org.uk
dajbelshaw 20:52
#purposed #ukedchat
RT @DeputyMitchell: @DeputyHeadDunn @dajbelshaw

SkoorBttaM 20:52
@jamesmichie Failing and coping with it (bouncebackability) will be
much more important in future! #ukedchat
@Dotgi you need experience to be passionate about anything!
familysimpson 20:52
#ukedchat
Wonder if any Govt bods are monitoring this hashtag? #ukedchat
bellaale 20:52
#snowballsinhell
cheersphilip 20:52
@susanbanister #purposed = purpose of education #UkEdChat
RT @colport: @curricadvocate @susanbanister The Rose Report had
jackieschneider 20:52 great potential. Really looked at the purpose of (primary) education
#ukedchat
RT @AntHeald: Is elephant in the room capitalist society? Just not
richardsw16 20:52 geared toward mutually enriching community that I want to be
educator in #ukedchat
TheHeadsOffice 20:52 RT @CliveBuckley: I want to belong. Maybe everyone feels that? Let's
educate our young to belong. #ukedchat >Belong to what?
@CreativeEdu Purpose of education http://purposed.org.uk #purposed
dajbelshaw 20:52
#UkEdChat
RT @ssat: RT @ukedchat: What's the purpose of education? Are we
victoryoak 20:52 headed in the right direction? @dajbelshaw hosts from 8pm this
evening
john_at_muuua 20:52 @AntHeald and the alternative is...? #ukedchat
ICTmagic 20:52 Apart from the fantastic name, SpicyNodes is a great mindmap-like site
with a fun interface. http://spicynodes.org #edchat #ukedchat #edtech
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@jamesmichie or to question the framework that makes their society!
familysimpson 20:53
#ukedchat
@didactylos yes I see what you mean - will limit choice #ukedchat
bellaale 20:53 RT @Smichael920: @GillDeCosemo true. Ed is too important for

politicians to meddle with. It's not about quick wins & votes #ukedchat
cheersphilip 20:53
@CliveBuckley value is easy - i'm worth exactly Â£32k p/a #ukedchat
@john_at_muuua 12-16 is probably the very worst time in anyone's
LesLinks 20:53 life to try and learn something. #ukedchat = so very much agree.. the
worst
RT @CliveBuckley: Most important is we the thought we have a place.
AntHeald 20:53 Education is just a part of that. But let's help everyone feel they have a
place #ukedchat
RT @philallman1: @jamesmichie knowledge based curr creates
jamesmichie 20:53 dependence though which is what the govt wants! #ukedchat <--
exactly!
andyhutt 20:53 #ukedchat #purposed Purpose & direction? Developing personal

aspiration & ambition ( & I don't mean Â£ acquisitiveness either)
RT @bellaale: Wonder if any Govt bods are monitoring this hashtag?
richardsw16 20:53
#ukedchat <<- need to send them a hard copy!
Jabulani9 20:53 RT @CliveBuckley: We are not heading in the right direction. We are
fattening up cattle for slaughter #ukedchat
TheHeadsOffice 20:53 @CliveBuckley Thank you! #purposed #ukedchat
@CliveBuckley #ukedchat Belong, or to follow others, or to be brave
todaystartsNOW 20:53
enough to walk to the beat of their own drum?
@familysimpson Totally agree, and it also has to be a good one!
Dotgi 20:53
#ukedchat
dmchugh675 20:53 are positively driving change in their own school circumstances. IF
NOT, WHY NOT?
Agree! RT @Smichael920: @GillDeCosemo true. Ed is too important
cheersphilip 20:53 for politicians to meddle with. It's not about quick wins & votes
#ukedchat
CliveBuckley 20:53
@TheHeadsOffice To have a role, a meaning, a value #ukedchat
@AntHeald I think we would agree we are ignoring more than just that
nellmog 20:53
elephant for the night #ukedchat
@jamesmichie knowledge based curr creates dependence though
philallman1 20:53
which is what the govt wants! #ukedchat
RT @MrAColley: #ukedchat the #purposed is to enthuse kids to
fullonlearning 20:53 question the world. Then help to discover answers or foster skills to
create new solutions.
Jabulani9 20:53 RT @jackieschneider: #ukedchat - to learn is to be human. Our

education "should" equip us for this but too often it acts as a barrier
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cheersphilip 20:53 RT @Smichael920: @GillDeCosemo true. Ed is too important for
politicians to meddle with. It's not about quick wins & votes #ukedchat
RT @jamesmichie: Purpose of edu is to enable anyone 2 b free from
MissSMitch 20:53 shackles of society & 2 think 4 themselves. #ukedchat #purposed
AGREED!
@GillDeCosemo true. Ed is too important for politicians to meddle
Smichael920 20:53
with. It's not about quick wins & votes #ukedchat
GillDeCosemo 20:53 Children learn best when they are having fun #ukedchat
janwebb21 20:53 question the world. Then help to discover answers or foster skills to
cheersphilip 20:53 question the world. Then help to discover answers or foster skills to
RT @bellaale: Wonder if any Govt bods are monitoring this hashtag?
BAFDiploma 20:53
#ukedchat #snowballsinhell
@colport #ukedchat still got my booklet. It's not illegal. Just didn't
become legal. I'm using it.
RT @janwebb21: @DeputyHeadDunn Lol. Yes definitely! #ukedchat
RT @cheersphilip: @CliveBuckley value is easy - i'm worth exactly
CliveBuckley 20:54
Â£32k p/a #ukedchat Value is not measured in Â£s
Creativeedu 20:54 RT @bellaale: Wonder if any Govt bods are monitoring this hashtag?
#ukedchat <<- need to send them a hard copy! LOL! dinosaur mail
janwebb21 20:54
@ukedchat you're going to have a busy job tonight! #ukedchat
john_at_muuua 20:54 @Jabulani9 'warehousing' is the phrase. #ukedchat
john_at_muuua 20:54 @Jabulani9 'warehousing' is the phrase. #ukedchat
: @CliveBuckley - joy, peace, intolerance of injustice, thoughtfulness,
resourceful & love #ukedchat
@fredgarnett informed will follow naturally (I hope!) #purposed
cheersphilip 20:54
#ukedchat
TheHeadsOffice 20:54 RT @CliveBuckley: @TheHeadsOffice To have a role, a meaning, a

value #ukedchat > but are all the roles the same?
ukedchat 20:54 Last 5 minutes of scheduled #ukedchat session. The archive process
starts around 9.20, so you can keep conversation going.
RT @familysimpson: @jamesmichie or to question the framework that
jamesmichie 20:54
makes their society! #ukedchat <-- YES!
dajbelshaw 20:54 5 minutes left... #ukedchat
mattbuxton10 20:54 #ukedchat learning = 3 stages; info goes in, output comes out, is what
happens in between that really matters - & which stage do we assess??
@DeputyHeadDunn of course, we could probably have sorted stuff a
janwebb21 20:54 lot quicker if only we had communicated with him via facebook!
#ukedchat
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RT @nicovillena: RT @cheersphilip: #purposed should be to get people
fredgarnett 20:54 absolutely fascinated about the world #ukedchat <& informed &
curious
57mason 20:55 geared toward mutually enriching community that I want to be
RT @DrAshCasey schooling was designed to create and meld a wkforce
philallman1 20:55 - but that's so 18th century ... Nowadays..#ukedchat< gove would do
same
@dajbelshaw sounds like you lit the touch paper and set off a load of
janwebb21 20:55
fireworks!!! #ukedchat #purposed
RT @familysimpson: #ukedchat we need to teach them that 16 is not
cheersphilip 20:55 the age where they have to decide what to do with the rest of their
lives - take it yr x yr
I second that RT @janwebb21: @ukedchat you're going to have a busy
job tonight! #ukedchat is quite a hit
psheassociation 20:55 should be to get people absolutely fascinated in the world around
CliveBuckley 20:55 RT @todaystartsNOW: @CliveBuckley #ukedchat walk to the beat of

their own drum? Always follow the beat of your own drum
JOHNSAYERS 20:55 Is the gap wider now with the great variety of T&L? Or when it was all
chalk board and text book and teacher authoritarian led? #ukedchat
jennitonic80 20:55 #ukedchat I'd like to work with all you passionate people!! Love my
job, think I chose wrong first school. Sad to think they exist tho :-(
fredgarnett 20:55 RT @mattbuxton10: #ukedchat learning = 3 stages; info in, output out,
what happens in between. Which stage do we assess < Dont Assess!
BAFDiploma 20:55 #ukedchat #purposed to build confidence in people to aspire to being

the best they can, in whatever their chosen dicipline.
jamesmichie 20:55 @CreativeEdu @bellaale That's not a bad idea! #ukedchat
RT @Creativeedu: RT @bellaale: Wonder if any Govt bods are
bellaale 20:55 monitoring this hashtag? #ukedchat <<- need to send them a hard
copy! LOL! dinosaur mail
RT @janwebb21: @ukedchat you're going to have a busy job tonight!
dajbelshaw 20:55
#ukedchat <--Gulp.
nellmog 20:55
@ukedchat I would not look forward to that tonight... #ukedchat
bucharesttutor 20:55 @andymellor64 excellent swann dance on your profile and yes
purpose of education is awareness among students #ukedchat
familysimpson 20:55 #ukedchat we need to teach them that 16 is not the age where they
have to decide what to do with the rest of their lives - take it yr x yr
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DrAshCasey 20:55 The purpose of education - well schooling was designed to create and
meld a workforce - but that's so 18th century ... Nowadays..#ukedchat
RT @ukedchat: Last 5 minutes of scheduled #ukedchat session. The
bellaale 20:55 archive process starts around 9.20, so you can keep conversation
going.
cheersphilip 20:55 @CliveBuckley It is to the state, I'm afraid #ukedchat
TheHeadsOffice 20:56 RT @cheersphilip: definitely a lot of passion here #ukedchat >& I bet
we have all had a different educ experience!
RT @cheersphilip: definitely a lot of passion here #ukedchat >>As it
susanbanister 20:56
should be!
@susanbanister #ukedchat another, but we're in control really. We
stand up in front of the children day in day out.
todaystartsNOW 20:56 @CliveBuckley #ukedchat thats what we specialise in!
john_at_muuua 20:56 @LesLinks at 12-16 kids shld B allowed 2 travel. learn from the world &
then return 2 formal education when they cn appreciate it #ukedchat
RT @JamiePortman: #UkEdChat CHALLENGE those around you.
MissSMitch 20:56 Growing increasingly frustrated at those of us that keep quiet in
staffrooms.
bellaale 20:56
@jamesmichie agreed! what about a Wordle printout, too?! #ukedchat
@Creativeedu doesn't this type of learning suit some kids though?
snapshotscience 20:56
Was how I was tauht! #ukedchat
RT @jamesmichie: Purpose of edu is to enable anyone (note I did not
yolajb 20:56 say kids) 2 b free from shackles of society & 2 think 4 themselves.
#ukedchat #purposed
A lovely science photo sharing site. Lots of science info to go with the
ICTmagic 20:56
images. http://fossweb.com/planetfoss/index.html #science
#ukedchat
dajbelshaw 20:56
RT @cheersphilip: definitely a lot of passion here #ukedchat
jamesmichie 20:56 Growing increasingly frustrated at those of us that keep quiet in
staffrooms. Challenge from within
cheersphilip 20:56 definitely a lot of passion here #ukedchat
RT @dajbelshaw: @janwebb21 Latent demand for the debate,
janwebb21 20:56
methinks... ;-) #ukedchat #purposed
@bucharesttutor and completely relevant to all nationalities!!!
janwebb21 20:56
#ukedchat
didactylos 20:56 RT @richardsw16: RT @bellaale: Wonder if any Govt bods are

monitoring this hashtag? #ukedchat You are joking aren't you?
#UkEdChat CHALLENGE those around you. Growing increasingly
JamiePortman 20:56 frustrated at those of us that keep quiet in staffrooms. Challenge from
within
@janwebb21 Latent demand for the debate, methinks... ;-) #ukedchat
dajbelshaw 20:56
#purposed
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@TomFranklin Hey, if Monty Python ran schools... now there's a
jamesmichie 20:56
thought! ;-) #ukedchat
I think the most important thing in education right now is to keep on
cheersphilip 20:57
trying to get it right #ukedchat #purposed
@jackieschneider Hey somebody else mentioned 'love' - how can we
AntHeald 20:57
get that not to sound like crazy talk? #ukedchat
@john_at_muuua totally, learning is about understanding multiple
fredgarnett 20:57
perspectives #ukedchat
CliveBuckley 20:57 Need a national teachmeet! #ukedchat
#ukedchat We're really moving away from the skills needed for lifelong
deepexperience1 20:57
learning - pity, as it's the 21st Century!
RT @bellaale: @jamesmichie agreed! what about a Wordle printout,
nellmog 20:57 too?! #ukedchat >that could be quite enlightening though gove may
stand out
richardsw16 20:57 Growing increasingly frustrated at those of us that keep quiet in
bellaale 20:57 geared toward mutually enriching community that I want to be
@andyburnhammp check #ukedchat out now and you'll see an hour's
philallman1 20:57 worth of debate on what is most important in education today -
there's hope!
@dajbelshaw absolutely! (don't know what I've done to change
janwebb21 20:57 settings so I can't add the comment when I rt! #ukedchat too fast
tonight 2sort
Chr1sR0berts 20:57 RT @mberry: The problem with an exclusively learner driven education
is that it might never or rarely broaden a learner's horizons. #ukedchat
@jennitonic80 Pick up #ukedchat resources online & work out your
fredgarnett 20:57 own pathways, talk to educators find someone who gets what you are
about :)
RT @purposeducation: #purposed-followers: get involved in #ukedchat

luihexis 20:57
this evening, 8-9pm GMT! More here: http://ukedchat.wikispaces.com
(@dajbelshaw moderating)
DrAshCasey 20:57 Education should be about inspiring a desire to learn well beyond the
four walls of a classroom or gymnasium #ukedchat
@dajbelshaw addicted to discussion but too tired to contribute.
fullonlearning 20:57 Fabulous! #ukedchat #purposed...this is definitely a quality outcome of
edu.
Dotgi 20:57
RT @cheersphilip: definitely a lot of passion here #ukedchat
@dajbelshaw Thanks Doug. Good stuff. I look forward to reviewing it
TerryWassall 20:58
all over the weekend! #ukedchat
DeputyHeadDunn 20:58 RT @CreativeEdu: it's been a fab #UkEdChat if a little tough to follow!
I look forward to the summary > yoâ€¦ (cont) http://deck.ly/~TB9Is
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RT @jamesmichie: Don't leave the discussion in cyberspace - head into
janwebb21 20:58 the staffroom tomorrow and light the blue touch paper! #ukedchat
#purposed
Now that's an idea! @CliveBuckley National Teechmeet... I'm happy to
Creativeedu 20:58
help organise.... #UkEdChat
@JamiePortman - spot on. Sick to death of staff meeting where we say
look just go along with this ... #ukedchat
RT @dajbelshaw: RT @CliveBuckley: Need a national teachmeet!
TheHeadsOffice 20:58 #ukedchat <--I think #purposed can organise that... / cc @andystew
>Excellent!
dmchugh675 20:58 Purpose of education is to open young minds to a world of possibilities

(& get at least 5 A* - C @ GCSE) #sarcasm #ukedchat
jamesmichie 20:58 Don't leave the discussion in cyberspace - head into the staffroom
tomorrow and light the blue touch paper! #ukedchat #purposed
familysimpson 20:58 Growing increasingly frustrated at those of us that keep quiet in
TeacherTalks 20:58 RT @DrAshCasey: Education should be about inspiring a desire to learn

well beyond the four walls of a classroom or gymnasium #ukedchat
todaystartsNOW 20:58 RT @BAFDiploma: #ukedchat #purposed to build confidence in people

to aspire to being the best they can, in whatever their chosen dicipline.
RT @rmsimonwilliams: #ukedchat my final 2 pence:
cheersphilip 20:58 http://bbc.in/g9zdw8 why would this fire up such passion - on both
sides - unless it really, really mattered!
JamiePortman 20:58 @jennitonic80 Terrific attitude. I'd employ that attitude from an 'NQT'
to that of a more so called 'experienced' teacher anyday! #ukedchat
RT @nellmog: RT @bellaale: @jamesmichie agreed! what about a
ebd35 20:58 Wordle printout, too?! #ukedchat >that could be quite enlightening
though gove may stand out
it's been a fab #UkEdChat if a little tough to follow! I look forward to
Creativeedu 20:58
the summary
MrAColley 20:58 RT @cheersphilip: I think the most important thing in education right
now is to keep on trying to get it right #ukedchat #purposed
rmsimonwilliams 20:58 #ukedchat my final 2 pence: http://bbc.in/g9zdw8 why would this fire
up such passion - on both sides - unless it really, really mattered!
#ukedchat thanks folks. Gotta go. Train finally arriving in london. Only
an hour late! Great conversations again.
cheersphilip 20:58 @Jabulani9 almost though! #ukedchat
@Dotgi not necessarily they could be passionate about not wanting
familysimpson 20:58
anyone else to experience x #ukedchat
Dotgi 20:58 RT @DrAshCasey: Education should be about inspiring a desire to learn

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bellaale 20:58 After tonight, I have hope for the future of UK Education again! We
don't have all the answers, but we are asking the right qus #ukedchat
RT @CliveBuckley: Need a national teachmeet! #ukedchat <--I think
dajbelshaw 20:58
#purposed can organise that... / cc @andystew
@cheersphilip a big muuua to you all then! crazy night! will catch up
john_at_muuua 20:58
come morning. #ukedchat
@familysimpson #ukedchat or if the value of innovation - and
janwebb21 20:58 considered well-thought out implementation of innovation - is always
valued
Jabulani9 20:58 Agreed. Education is wider than this! - RT @jackieschneider: #ukedchat

- schools/institutions don't have the monopoly on education
dughall 20:59 @dajbelshaw Nice one! #ukedchat
It's 9pm. Many thanks to @dajbelshaw for guest hosting #ukedchat
colport 20:59
this evening. PLENTY to think about.
It's 9pm. Many thanks to @dajbelshaw for guest hosting #ukedchat
ukedchat 20:59
this evening. PLENTY to think about.
Giving up on #ukedchat as my PC & phone can't cope. Sorry! It's clearly
camaxwell 20:59
a hot topic given recent government nonsense.
RT @janwebb21: @dajbelshaw WOW, well done! hope you enjoyed
dajbelshaw 20:59
that! #ukedchat <--Brain a bit fried now! ;-)
RT @philallman1: @andyburnhammp @tom_watson check #ukedchat
dawnhallybone 20:59 out now you'll c hour's worth of debate on what is imp in ed 2day
there's hope!
RT @jamesmichie Don't leave the discussion in cyberspace: head into
JamiePortman 20:59 the staffroom tomorrow & light the blue touch paper #ukedchat >>>
AGREED
Creativeedu 20:59 the staffroom tomorrow and light the blue touch paper! #ukedchat
#purposed
@janwebb21 absolutely all nationalities n all races #ukedchat
Many thanks Doug! I did say that it would be a crcker!! #purposed
#ukedchat
CliveBuckley 20:59 RT @dmchugh675: Purpose of education is to open young minds to a

world of possibilities (& get at least 5 A* - C @ GCSE) #ukedchat :-)
bellaale 20:59 RT @Creativeedu: Now that's an idea! @CliveBuckley National

Teechmeet... I'm happy to help organise.... #UkEdChat
janwebb21 20:59
@dajbelshaw WOW, well done! hope you enjoyed that! #ukedchat
RT @jamesmichie: Don't leave discussion in cyberspace - head into the
richardsw16 20:59 staffroom tomorrow and light the blue touch paper! #ukedchat
#purposed
@dajbelshaw brilliant #ukedchat I've been standing in my front hall
familysimpson 20:59
tweeting instead of taking boots off! Thanks!!
fredgarnett 20:59 *Dont* Assess! #ukedchat
Jabulani9 20:59 @cheersphilip Sadly yes. A pity. (forgot tag!!) #ukedchat
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MissSMitch 20:59 RT @bellaale: I have hope for the future of UK Education again! We
don't have all the answers, but we are asking the right qus #ukedchat
RT @dmchugh675: Purpose of education is to open young minds to a
bellaale 20:59 world of possibilities (& get at least 5 A* - C @ GCSE) #sarcasm
#ukedchat
bellaale 20:59 the staffroom tomorrow and light the blue touch paper! #ukedchat
#purposed
@DrAshCasey Guy Claxton refers to current system as
Smichael920 20:59
factory/monastery system! #ukedchat
dajbelshaw 20:59 DOOOOOOONNNNNNGGGGGGGG. There's the gong, folks. Keep

discussing, by all means, but that's the end of the #ukedchat hour!
colport 20:59 @curricadvocate I've still got mine. Might come in useful again in four
years time when the goalposts are being moved again #ukedchat
RT @rmsimonwilliams: #ukedchat my final 2 pence:
bellaale 20:59 http://bbc.in/g9zdw8 why would this fire up such passion - on both
sides - unless it really, really mattered!
@richardsw16 #ukedchat how do we judge if someone is
oldandrewuk 20:59
"uneducated"? If they haven't gone to a place of education.
MrAColley 20:59 the staffroom tomorrow and light the blue touch paper! #ukedchat
#purposed
@jamesmichie #ukedchat challenge colleagues who aren't managed
jennitonic80 20:59 properly from above = shows up management incompetence. Worth
it??
fullonlearning 20:59 RT @cheersphilip: I think the most important thing in education right
now is to keep on trying to get it right #ukedchat #purposed
ClaireJoanne35 20:59 @cheersphilip can't argue with that! :-) #ukedchat
RT @DeputyHeadDunn: Many thanks to @dajbelshaw #ukedchat Great
john_at_muuua 21:00
chat... best yet
fullonlearning21:00 @dajbelshaw brilliant! Must revisit this regularly to bring in new

tweeters and lurkers #purposed #ukedchat well done (& good luck!)
Creativeedu 21:00 Thanks for hosting a great #UkEdChat @dajbelshaw
@dajbelshaw Well done squire, that was a doozy. Speak soon. :-)
jamesmichie 21:00
#ukedchat #purposed
DeputyHeadDunn 21:00 Many thanks to @dajbelshaw #ukedchat Great chat
janwebb21 21:00 RT @colport: It's 9pm. Many thanks to @dajbelshaw for guest hosting
#ukedchat this evening. PLENTY to think about.
RT @ukedchat: It's 9pm. Many thanks to @dajbelshaw for guest
fredgarnett 21:00 hosting #ukedchat this evening. PLENTY to think about. <MAny thanks
to all!
RT @CreativeEdu it's been a fab #UkEdChat if a little tough to follow! I
GillDeCosemo 21:00
look forward to the summary << Me too!
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@dajbelshaw I always feel like that - even when moderating on quieter
janwebb21 21:00
weeks! #ukedchat
MrPKeirnan_PKK 21:00 RT @DrAshCasey: Education should be about inspiring a desire to learn

jennitonic80 21:00 @fredgarnett #ukedchat certainly going to try. Thankyou x
tonycassidy 21:00 Growing increasingly frustrated at those of us that keep quiet in
@TheHeadsOffice @CliveBuckley #ukedchat No, they are not, thats
okay, neither are the people!
cheersphilip 21:00 RT @dughall: @dajbelshaw Nice one! #ukedchat
RT @TerryWassall: @dajbelshaw Thanks Doug. Good stuff. I look
bellaale 21:00 forward to reviewing it all over the weekend! #ukedchat > Agreed!
Cheers, D!
MissSMitch 21:01 @dajbelshaw excellent #ukedchat - thanks for hosting :)
fullonlearning 21:01 RT @ukedchat: It's 9pm. Many thanks to @dajbelshaw for guest
hosting #ukedchat this evening. PLENTY to think about.
Thanks to @dajbelshaw for hosting this lovely #ukedchat, follow me all
good people
Smichael920 21:01 the staffroom tomorrow and light the blue touch paper! #ukedchat
#purposed
jennitonic80 21:01 @JamiePortman #ukedchat I WISH!! gimme a job then!! ;-))
RT @ukedchat: Ooh, we need a host for #ukedchat next week! Any
janwebb21 21:01
volunteers, please contact @colport
Creativeedu 21:01 RT @ukedchat: It's 9pm. Many thanks to @dajbelshaw for guest
hosting #ukedchat this evening. PLENTY to think about.
universityboy 21:01 @dajbelshaw I noticed #ukedchat about 5mins before it started. Was
going to sit down to music for an hour. Still did. This was a bonus. :)
RT @philallman1: @andyburnhammp check #ukedchat out now and
TeacherTalks 21:01 you'll see an hour's worth of debate on what is most important in
education today - there's hope!
dajbelshaw 21:01
Ooh, we need a host for #ukedchat next week! Any volunteers, please
ukedchat 21:01
contact @colport
DeputyMitchell 21:01 A great #ukedchat tonight! Thanks! NOW go and listen to Thomas and
Liam discuss the situation in Egypt! http://bit.ly/hWcLZM #funny
CliveBuckley 21:01
RT @Creativeedu: Thanks for hosting a great #UkEdChat @dajbelshaw
#ukedchat My first one of these tonight-really enjoyed it. Now I really
Mackers1969 21:02
MUST get some work done. TTFN all....
Smichael920 21:02
Love Thursdays #ukedchat and question time!! Sit together nicely!
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cheersphilip 21:02
Thanks everyone - that was really flipping interesting #UkEdChat
theokk 21:02 #ukedchat #purposed cheers @dajbelshaw a..... all
â€œ@jamesmichie: head into the staffroom tomorrow and light the
jennitonic80 21:02 blue touch paper! #ukedchat good for own mental health/stress
levels??
cheersphilip 21:02 RT @bellaale: Goosebumps! Exciting future ahead for education in UK.
When U hit obstacles, proves you are moving forward... ;) #ukedchat
bellaale 21:02 Goosebumps! Exciting future ahead for education in UK. When U hit
obstacles, proves you are moving forward... ;) #ukedchat
jackieschneider 21:03 the staffroom tomorrow and light the blue touch paper! #ukedchat
#purposed
SkoorBttaM 21:03 RT @DrAshCasey: Education should be about inspiring a desire to learn

This weeks chat had me rambling on from different threads of thought
JOHNSAYERS 21:03 no conformity #ukedchat honestly Jonty! Loved reading others
thoughts!
@wilkoffnetwork honestly , the Tories claimed this as a victory for
cheersphilip 21:03
Gove. Go figure. #ukedchat
Smichael920 21:03 Here here! RT @ukedchat: It's 9pm. Many thanks to @dajbelshaw for
guest hosting #ukedchat this evening. PLENTY to think about.
mattpearson 21:03 sorry I missed #ukedchat tonight will check archive out; recent blog
post looks at innovation in education http://tinyurl.com/5w4w5rv
familysimpson 21:03 RT @familysimpson: New blog post: Future proofing your education:
http://t.co/tOt9kmG #ukedchat thought this was relevant!
jamesmichie 21:03 Please like my blog on Facebook: http://t.co/PPq32pQ #facebook

#education #productivity #technology #edtech #ukedchat #design
wilkoffnetwork 21:03 [from dajbelshaw] BBC News - Michael Gove in fiery debate with caller
over Baccalaureate: #ukedchat my final 2 p... http://bbc.in/ev56l9
jennitonic80 21:03 the staffroom tomorrow and light the blue touch paper! #ukedchat
#purposed
RT @dawnhallybone: RT @philallman1: @andyburnhammp
Smichael920 21:03 @tom_watson check #ukedchat out now you'll c hour's worth of
debate on what is imp in ed 2day there's hope!
#ukedchat crazy tonight couldn't contribute much. Calling all sci
snapshotscience 21:04
teachers. Who's up for a #ukscichat?
@dajbelshaw Great #ukedchat. Not sure I kept up with all of it, but
Arakwai 21:04
some interesting views and ideas!
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@janwebb21 #ukedchat true & good point there maybe needs to be a
familysimpson 21:04
bit of propaganda to make them aware!
Goodnight, #ukedchat ters! Time for food, then #10oclocklive for a bit
bellaale 21:04
less controversy! ;)
MissSMitch 21:04 @jennitonic80: â€œgood for own mental health/stress levels??" A

worthy investment - help to make the change! #ukedchat
RT @Smichael920: Love Thursdays #ukedchat and question time!! Sit
andymellor64 21:05
together nicely!
@colport I'd be happy to volunteer to host at one time in the future? It
JOHNSAYERS 21:05
is really inspiring! #ukedchat
RT @TheHeadsOffice: RT @dajbelshaw: RT @CliveBuckley: Need a
familysimpson 21:05 national teachmeet! #ukedchat <--I think #purposed can organise
that... / cc @andystew >Excellent!
SkoorBttaM 21:05 RT @deepexperience1: #ukedchat We're really moving away from the
skills needed for lifelong learning - pity, as it's the 21st Century!
RT @janwebb21: @familysimpson #ukedchat or if the value of
familysimpson 21:05 innovation - and considered well-thought out implementation of
innovation - is always valued
@familysimpson innovation needs careful management or it can have
janwebb21 21:06
opposite effect #ukedchat
@brainpicker: Rethinking Education â€“ Michael Wesch
familysimpson 21:06 http://j.mp/g0aut7 Related, A New Culture of Learning
http://j.mp/hgeoLF #ukedchat timely
@theokk Sure there are, but we're not living in them. Why do we
AntHeald 21:06 separate ourselves for most of time from those we love? #ukedchat
#purposed
jackieschneider 21:06 #ukedchat @dajbelshaw - thanks for hosting. Really enjoyed tonight
despite feeling I didn't really get my alt. vision across!
One last thing: looking forward to going back thru' and following
bellaale 21:06
LOADS of you - some real inspiration! #ukedchat
JOHNSAYERS 21:07 Going to Boscastle next wk Going to interview ppl from c4 programme
on Long term responses/recovery to flood. Will podcast #ukedchat
RT @jamesmichie: Please like my blog on Facebook:
familysimpson 21:07 http://t.co/PPq32pQ #facebook #education #productivity #technology
#edtech #ukedchat #design
susanbanister 21:08
Come and have your say! #ukedchat #purposed http://bit.ly/eklMeR
@BeWoot fair 'nough, but does your view hold irrespective of the
mberry 21:08
learner's age? Summerhill got it right? #ukedchat
eylanezekiel 21:08 the staffroom tomorrow and light the blue touch paper! #ukedchat
#purposed
RT @jackieschneider: #ukedchat - still looking for primary music
teachers to follow! Anyone know any on twitter?
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RT @familysimpson: @brainpicker: Rethinking Education â€“ Michael
fredgarnett 21:08 Wesch http://j.mp/g0aut7 Related, A New Culture of Learning
http://j.mp/hgeoLF #ukedchat timely
#ukedchat - still looking for primary music teachers to follow! Anyone
know any on twitter?
todaystartsNOW 21:09 #ukedchat Lovely reading, watching, chatting to you all tonight! If we
can help anyone, please message. Have a great week, all good things!
4goggas 21:12 Sorry I had to leave #ukedchat. Family called.
RT @DeputyMitchell: A great #ukedchat tonight! Thanks! NOW go and
chrisrat 21:12 listen to Thomas and Liam discuss the situation in Egypt!
http://bit.ly/hWcLZM #funny
Think this post compliments tonights @ukedchat discussion perfectly
MissSMitch 21:12
http://bit.ly/egYNWU
cycleucan 21:12 RT @DrAshCasey: Education should be about inspiring a desire to learn

Crosbiei 21:13 Been out of touch for a while. Feel out of the loop. #ukedchat seemed
fun tonight tho. I'll be start being interesting again soon. Promise!
JOHNSAYERS 21:13 @jackieschneider @dajbelshaw sorry for verbal diarrhoea variety

comments #ukedchat it was a massively broad subject fabulous!
@ICTmagic I apologise if I have misunderstood your intentions. Look
dajbelshaw 21:13 here for more on #ukedchat tonight: http://bit.ly/ukedchat-purposed :-
)
#ukedchat was a tweeting frenzy as much fun & nearly as controversial
as #thearchers tweetalong
T_Milkins 21:14 @dajbelshaw to teach the skills for learning, stimulate passion for
enquiry & love knowledge. #ukedchat #purposed
lismiss 21:16 RT @Mackers1969: @Ideas_Factory #ukedchat a talented artist has as

much worth as a brilliant mathematician. Each contributes to society
@ICTmagic Done. Although I'll not be moderating - follow @ukedchat :-
dajbelshaw 21:16
)
Have updated http://bit.ly/ukedchat-purposed with my summary of
dajbelshaw 21:18
this evening's #ukedchat :-)
This will be interesting. The #ukedchat archive process has started!!!
ukedchat 21:19
Links live soon
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cheersphilip 20:00 RT @GaryAveryICT: Doesn't education go round in circles anyway? We

rmsimonwilliams 20:00 @ukedchat @dajbelshaw #ukedchat do we need to agree on "what

dajbelshaw 20:01 RT @GaryAveryICT: Doesn't education go round in circles anyway? We

john_at_muuua 20:02 RT @GaryAveryICT: Doesn't education go round in circles anyway? We

albanystreet 20:03 Education should be transformative and empowering, enabling people

bucharesttutor 20:03 Purpose of education is definitely compulsory as we need to teach our

TheHeadsOffice 20:04 RT @theokk: #ukedchat think various stakeholders have different

universityboy 20:06 #ukedchat What direction should we be heading in education? Can we

SkoorBttaM 20:06 RT @headteacher01: Is the purpose to prepare the next generation of

cheersphilip 20:07 RT @te_ach_er: @albanystreet What about social skills, perseverance,

nellmog 20:07 #ukedchat I don't necessarily we should be trying to define 'good

bucharesttutor 20:08 @cheersphilip that's where we need to continuously update ourselves

curricadvocate 20:09 @CreativeEdu #ukedchat I would always understand school education

dughall 20:09 RT @CreativeEdu: Are we just talking about school education or

MrAColley 20:10 @Iris_Connect @cheersphillip @dajbelshaw Point conceeded - was

CliveBuckley 20:10 RT @cheersphilip: current crop of teachers taught to be infinitely

jamesmichie 20:13 @dajbelshaw @theheadsoffice to make education about the learner

lisibo 20:14 @rmsimonwilliams @curricadvocate - and that's why the process is

curricadvocate 20:14 @rmsimonwilliams #ukedchat - agree. i believe it is the skill to access

jennitonic80 20:14 RT @Creativeedu: I didn't learn to learn until I finished formal

jennitonic80 20:14 RT @Creativeedu: I didn't learn to learn until I finished formal

PeacockMaths 20:16 #ukedchat We desperately need to decide what education is for. We

Grevster73 20:16 RT @dawnhallybone: @john_at_muuua am at ks2 and yr 6 for me it is

jamesmichie 20:17 @dajbelshaw It is absolutely true, I struggled through maths every

curricadvocate 20:17 @lisibo @rmsimonwilliams #ukedchat should education still prescribe

albanystreet 20:17 @jamesmichie Definitely not! I work in Community Learning - there

philallman1 20:19 RT @Mackers1969: @philallman1 #ukedchat purpose of ed IS NOT to

jamesmichie 20:19 @dajbelshaw No I am simply suggesting that a standard "curriculum"

lisibo 20:19 RT @theokk: #ukedchat #purposed skills contextual to a given

headteacher01 20:20 RT @philallman1: @dawnhallybone @dajbelshaw @headteacher01

CliveBuckley 20:20 RT @jackieschneider: #ukedchat - the purpose of state organised

CliveBuckley 20:21 RT @CliveBuckley: @cheersphilip Society or individual - what is the

MissSMitch 20:21 RT @Mackers1969: @philallman1 #ukedchat purpose of ed IS NOT to

Mackers1969 20:21 @philallman1 #ukedchat so we're back to where we started - what is

AntHeald 20:21 @jamesmichie - whatever you learnt at Superdrug, I bet most of it

jackieschneider 20:22 RT @didactylos: #purposed #ukedchat we are biologically programmed

rmsimonwilliams 20:22 @dajbelshaw #ukedchat to be enabled to learn oneself, whether

Iris_Connect 20:23 @dajbelshaw It is absolutely true, I struggled through maths every

dajbelshaw 20:23 RT @ebd35: @dajbelshaw @dughall #ukedchat #purposed to produce

Mackers1969 20:23 @Ideas_Factory #ukedchat schools should be the foundation, main

fredgarnett 20:23 RT @theokk: #ukedchat #purposed skills contextual to a given

lisibo 20:23 RT @richardmillwood: #ukedchat â€¢ wealth â€¢ culture â€¢

ebd35 20:23 @dajbelshaw @dughall #ukedchat #purposed to produce emotionally,

cheersphilip 20:24 RT @dajbelshaw: RT If you had to sum up the purpose of education in

didactylos 20:24 @tomfranklin I don't disagree, but I take exception to 'subjects' as a

rmsimonwilliams 20:24 @curricadvocate #ukedchat personally, I agree with @jackieschneider

jackieschneider 20:25 @cheersphilip @clivebuckley - unfortunately their needs are driven by

Mackers1969 20:25 RT @Ideas_Factory: #ukedchat The purpose-for me-is to educate the

lisibo 20:25 RT @dajbelshaw: RT @Mackers1969: @bellaale #ukedchat they might

dajbelshaw 20:25 RT @Ideas_Factory: #ukedchat The purpose-for me-is to educate the

rmsimonwilliams 20:25 @curricadvocate #ukedchat ...and how do you assess those

oldandrewuk 20:25 #ukedchat The purpose of education is to make people cleverer.

mosquitomax 20:26 #ukedchat Education: to produce a child capable of existing in a world

curricadvocate 20:26 @rmsimonwilliams @jackieschneider #ukedchat a focus on standards

cheersphilip 20:26 @jackieschneider industrial model of education. Sad that we no longer

curricadvocate 20:26 @rmsimonwilliams @jackieschneider #ukedchat whilst i agree, this is

dughall 20:26 RT @Smichael920: Ed should foster passion and curiosity. Lifelong

curricadvocate 20:27 @rmsimonwilliams #ukedchat agree. but to refer to @jackieschneider

Mackers1969 20:27 @Ideas_Factory #ukedchat a talented artist has as much worth as a

CliveBuckley 20:28 RT @CliveBuckley: I genuinely believe that if we help children achieve

mosquitomax 20:28 RT @CreativeEdu: enjoying reading #UkEdChat but struggling to know

dughall 20:29 @4goggas Wouldn't normally do a Deck'ly but it was a rushed RT of a

jennitonic80 20:29 #ukedchat work in a school with fundamental independent thinking

TerryWassall 20:30 Education is a process that reproduces society. What it is for