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Fast Seduction 101® Presents:

An Interview with Allen Reyes (aka “Gunwitch”)


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Intro

Hey, this is Jay Valens from FastSeduction.com and we've got something
special for you. What you’re about to listen to is the first ever audio
Interview with Allen Reyes, better known as “Gunwitch” in the pickup
community. Not only is it a first ever interview with him, it's also in-person,
and done by none other than Ray Devans, better known as “TokyoPUA”.

It’s a terrific interview and one we're proud to be the first to bring you. So,
… sit back and enjoy, we've got more lined up, so check back at our site
and online store often.

Note: The eBook referred to throughout this interview is no longer


available. An improved audio product, which covers what the eBook
taught (and more), is currently available from Gunwitch. Click here to
read a review of Gunwitch’s new audio product.
Volume 1

FS101: OK, so here we are, it‟s September 12th here in the United States,
the year 2004, this is TokyoPUA talking here with Gunwitch.

GUNWITCH: Right.

FS101: It‟s been… I guess this is the first face to face meeting anyone
has had with you… it‟s been a long time coming.

GUNWITCH: Yeah totally

FS101: Just for the people listening to this, I‟ll give you a sense of how
hard it was to get this interview. I just flew today from Taipei,
Taiwan through Tokyo, Japan into Portland, Oregon, drove though
Linn, Oregon, the “grass seed capital” of the world, into the
designated meeting point which is a Denny‟s here in Eugene, Oregon.
So that‟s what it‟s taken to meet one of the most famous guys in the
seduction community, Gunwitch, and I thought we would just get
started with an introduction about yourself, how long, say, you have
been involved in seducing women, and whatever else you want to say
about yourself, in terms of background, age, whatever, you know.

GUNWITCH: Well, I basically started out when I was 18. I had come
out of a long term relationship, and I couldn‟t get laid, or so I thought,
but the truth is, I mostly had just, hadn‟t been out, I kind of went into
a shell and stayed in my house. And I kind of realized, I realized
that hey, I haven‟t been laid because I haven‟t been meeting any
women. Spark right there, spark 1 for, you know, you gotta realize
you gotta get out and meet the women. I mean its half the battle, so I
went out and the first woman I approached at 18 years old, I believe
she was 23, I mean she was probably a 7 or an 8 on the looks scale.
I approached her, I basically did Gunwitch Method, and fucked her.
After that, you lead to 9 years later, I‟m writing Gunwitch Method, I
finally figured it all out, I probably got about 3,000 rejections under
my belt.

FS101: Its interesting that you state it that way, right, cause a lot of guys

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out there are focusing on how many girls I laid and how many I can
open, and YOU, first off came out and said it, I‟ve been rejected
3,000 times, that‟s gotta be heartening to the guys who are out there
afraid to be rejected even once.

GUNWITCH: Yeah, totally, and when I did this, like I said, the first
woman, I mean it was kind of like a gambler‟s rush, the first time you
ever gamble, and you win big, you‟re going to be a compulsive
gambler. And that‟s kind of what happened with me, I picked up
the first woman, and it was probably about 100 more women I had to
approach after that before I got laid again. But it was such an
addiction because it worked the first time.

FS101: So you at least had that background to know, “this could go


right”

GUNWITCH: Yeah, and it was basically using Gunwitch Method, but I


had never even heard of any psychology for picking up women, I had
never even read into anything, at the time, much less Gunwitch
Method „cause I hadn‟t written it yet. And, it was really amazing
because it took me like 9 years to get it back naturally. Once I
started thinking about it after that first one, I lost the natural in me,
and I was more analyzing, and…

FS101: The thinking part of it messed it up…

GUNWITCH: Yeah, and it took a long time to get back to doing the
natural stuff at an analytical level. And that‟s kind of what, in my
new book, I wrote, it has all the missions, for each of the natural
components, or the RAP. Which is the Relaxation, Assumption of
rapport, Persistence (past the opener), then the second RAP that
you do, and you get all on autopilot is: Relaxation of outcome, then
Assumption of the sexual state, then Persistence to isolation. And
you get all of those in order and that‟s like your inner game, right
there, and then you‟re natural, I mean that‟s basically how, like you
just met my wingman, Steve Austin (I used to call him that on the
website).

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FS101: For those of you that don‟t know, the guy does look like Steve
Austin, he‟s a big dude…

GUNWITCH: Yeah, yeah. And that‟s about what he does, it‟s


basically like Gunwitch Method, but he doesn‟t even know it, and like
I was telling you when we were talking with him earlier, I h, I‟ve
never tried to push any kind of technique on him „cause he‟s a
natural. The guys I meet that don‟t have anything going, then I will
try and school them. And that‟s how I started out, and as far as my
personality, a lot of people know me, they know that I carry a gun,
and I do, if you want to see it… and I studied martial arts and I‟ve
studied judo and boxing and I actually had a pro boxing bout once,
up in Portland as a matter of fact, it wasn‟t a big ranked fight or
nothing, but, basically if they pay you to fight

FS101: Basically something more than the average guy…

GUNWITCH: Yeah, yeah.. and it‟s kind of something that really


doesn‟t help with women I found, but it is kind of part of your
character that you have to put out.

FS101: Well, I think it doesn‟t help directly, but one thing I liked about
your book, is you talk about different activities you suggest to men to
do because it brings out your, I think you called it your “sun” you
know, sort of in essence your testosterone.

GUNWITCH: Yeah, and your sun comes through what you believe and
then what you really believe, plus, like your testosterone, your
masculinity, is projected in a manner that‟s like your shadow, that‟s
what I call it. Your shadow is the actions you take purposefully.
But if your sun isn‟t there, you‟re going to have a weak shadow, the
actions you take won‟t be congruent. And that‟s basically I think to
sum up pick up, how I do it, really quickly with that, in that you do
the sun, you get your sun down, and you get your body, which is your
mind in this metaphor, which is kind of confusing but, and that‟s
what you think, and then you project from that, and you project this
masculinity, and this congruence, and this presence, this character,
that‟s so strong, the girl will state match you. Then you go into the

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sexual state, she matches the sexual state, you have attraction.
That‟s what‟s the key, that‟s the whole key to my attraction game, is
that, and I explain that in the book, and it‟s kind of hidden in the
message in the book, you have to have that. You have to have the
presence. It‟s like, kind of a racial thing, but you get like black guys,
like guys that act “ghetto-y”, you know, “ghetto-y” guys, or even some
white guys that act ghetto-y, you are always watching their
girlfriends act the same way. And the women they pick up, they
match them, because they have such a strong presence, with the talk
and the tough guy jive and all this shit, and the girl matches them,
then anytime they go into a sexual state, the girl matches that also.
So you‟ve got them fucking matching you, it‟s rapport achieved,
sexual state achieved, what more do you need except for to isolate
them, and take accountability for things, which is the persistence. If
you uh…

FS101: Taking accountability is what you mean by persistence…

GUNWITCH: Yeah, they don‟t want to feel like a slut, even if they are
super attracted to you, so you take accountability by persisting, and
you‟ve got all that in place, what more do you need? It‟s amazing,
you know, it took me a long time to figure it out, but its really an easy
concept, that people match those that are more dominant than them,
because they go submissive, so they match that person‟s mannerisms,
characters, and gestures, everything. Boom, you go into the sexual
state, they follow you into it, you got „em,

FS101: I can say for the people listening to this that Gunwitch definitely
has a presence here, I mean we are just sitting here in a rental car,
but you are definitely projecting just by your posture, you are taking
up a lot of room and you are gesturing, and uh, and I could see just
how powerful that would be, your affect on women.

GUNWITCH: Yeah, you know, I mean to other men its kinda, I‟m just
a nice guy, I mean I‟m not a fucking freak or nothing, but with
women, yeah, it‟s more like they go more submissive, but I kind of
come off, I mean I don‟t come off like the main character of a movie,
I kind of come off like the bad guy in a B movie.

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FS101: Ok, that is an interesting description.

GUNWITCH: Yeah, and they kinda match that, and they eventually get
to where I‟ll notice them starting to kinda mimic me, and they‟ll, they
wanna kind of try and be like me, so they will, they are obviously into
my state, they‟re gonna to match whatever I do. That‟s when I‟ll do
the sexuality part, which will be like, you know, I will soften my tone
more and more. Like right now, like if I was talking to you, and let‟s
say you are a woman, (laughs), you know I don‟t wanna be weird but,
just to demonstrate to you

FS101: No, that‟s cool, it‟s all about demonstrating the method

GUNWITCH: Yeah, like you know, I would be talking to you like this,
and I would be looking at you, and I would soften my tone more, and
once you started to reciprocate a little more I would, you know, I
would put my hand on you and you know, maybe go “hey come over
here, I wanna whisper something to you”, get in your ear, and I
would get more soft with them, and then they would go more soft too,
which is like, its sexual state, but I have to come with like kind of a
soft sexual state. Because I‟m kind of big and imposing, if I get on a
girl too much, they get scared,

FS101: OK, so this is something you have tailor made to your, your own,
well, physique as it were.

GUNWITCH: Yes, yes. Yeah, and my whole presence.

FS101: We were talking about that earlier, about just tailor making you
know, your method around certain things about you personally.
[ Editing Note: referring to “you” here as any guy in general, not
just Gunwitch ]

GUNWITCH: Yeah, and I think that is something that is missing in a


lot of methods, that I try and fill the gap of, is the uh, having just the
principles, you don‟t want a whole bunch of techniques that are
somebody else‟s techniques, you want the principles like the

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relaxation, the assuming the rapport, the persistence, the main meat
of it, you know, the rest of it‟s just your garnishes, I mean the little
techniques and stuff you do like uh certain things I do like where I
will be talking to a girl and she will be sitting across the room and I‟ll
get over there and I‟ll get closer to her and then she‟ll say come sit
down with me, or once I get them into isolation, after I‟ve gotten
them attracted, gotten them back to my house, I‟ll maybe tell her
“hey, come sit down with me” or “come lay down with me” you know,
if I am laying on my bed, and she will lay down with me, and then I
will go into the kiss, while we have been rubbing on each other,
rather than go over there and lean in and try and kiss her, because
that is not how people naturally do it. But that‟s kind of your own
tailor made little thing, like some people use the spin kiss and stuff
like that, which is OK, but the main thing is the meat, you have to
have the meat of it, you know, the relaxation, the assumptions of
rapport, the sexual state, different levels of persistence. And that‟s
probably the most important thing, because that is like your inner
game, it‟s like your congruence, your way of dealing with women
completely. And I don‟t think there‟s any guru out there, I don‟t there
is any guy that is good with women that doesn‟t have those things
somewhat in place. They may use different little variations on their
technique, but that‟s what I wanted to put out was the method for
everybody. The method that anybody can do and be generic with it,
or they can spice it up with some extra little moves of their own.

FS101: You start with one really fundamental assumption, we were


talking about this earlier before we got into this interview but, you
know just the simple fact that men come equipped with a dick and uh,
a chick has a pussy, and they can fit, and it‟s not about how good
looking she is or how good looking you are, I mean they‟ll still fit, and
that is a basic understanding that a lot of guys probably lose sight of,
you know. And then you talked about them having a sexual drive,
you know, women really are sexual creatures.

GUNWITCH: A lot of it is that women, almost like a herd, like I was


saying, its almost like a herd, kind of like they have bandied together
on, I don‟t think its something they consciously think about it, but if
they have men feeling inadequate, men will do things for them, and

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give them the sex they want. Men will do things in exchange for the
sex, because they feel like, well, women don‟t really want it, so I
better buy her a drink, I better give her a ring, I better give her a
necklace, I better support her, I better drive her where she wants to
go, I better… you know. But then the chick is getting that and the
sex, and they want the sex. Some women probably don‟t, you know,
I mean there are frigid women out there, there are people that aren‟t
sexual, but…

FS101: Why waste your time?

GUNWITCH: Yeah, exactly, that is my point.

FS101: But that is a good point you bring up there, because you know, if
you are losing sight of the fact that it‟s a give and take thing, I mean
hey, you are both getting pleasure from it, why is it that so many guys
are out there going out and throwing down the big bucks on it and
stuff.

GUNWITCH: And a lot of the times those guys don‟t even get laid.
And the thing that I find too, is women, who do you hear say the
word “slut” and “whore” the most? Women? They use it to berate
women who aren‟t going with the code, who aren‟t making men do
things for them, before they have sex with them. Because they‟re
ruining it for the rest of them. You see, there‟s women out there
who will have sex with men just out of pure lust, and they say
outright, “I‟m a horny bitch”, this pisses the chicks off, other chicks.
They say “Oh, she‟s such a slut, she‟s such a pig” because they are
screwing up their deal. Yeah, them kind of women are evolving out
of that, they think… a lot of times the really good looking women,
they are more fit, you know, they are better breeding stock kind of,
they‟re more capable of making their own living, of making their own
way. And them are the kind of women you do find that tend to be
more horny, and they will have sex with guys without having to go
through all the little bullshit games. And other women, that pisses
them off because they are like, hey, she is screwing up our deal, we
get all this free shit, now she is giving out sex for free, and she looks
better than us, she‟s a slut. And then they downgrade her, and

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they‟ll outcast her. You‟ll find that most women that are very sexual,
very good looking, don‟t have many friends, they‟ll have maybe one
or two friends, but they are not really friends, they‟re just some chick
they hang out with and go to the bar with and get catty with about
men, and maybe sleep with each other‟s boyfriends, and shit like that.
But, your big circle of friends that are female will be mediocre to ugly
looking girls, and they all sit around and yammer “my man didn‟t
give me this, and fuck him...” it‟s kind of a barrier of… men don‟t
usually call women sluts. Sometimes they do, like uh, if a woman
uh, what‟s that saying, “a whore is somebody that will fuck anybody,
a bitch is somebody that will fuck anybody but you”, you know, guys
get pissed so they call them ugly names and shit. That‟s something
I think no guy should have in their vocabulary, slut or whore, or
actually even thinking that about a woman, because then you are
saying that her giving away sex to you is wrong, because yeah, then
you are part of the problem, you are one of them fucking women
berating her.

FS101: I‟d say personally one thing you have to get over as a guy
wanting to become a pickup artist is, you know, this idea of either
jealousy or that kind of viewpoint. I mean you are going to have to
view at some point that some of the girls you are going to get with are
going to get with other guys, that is the way sex works. Like you
said, it‟s a dick and a vagina and they can go together and it can
happen in a lot of different combinations.

GUNWITCH: Yeah, its not uh… I found it kinda of jades you a little bit
when you have sex with a woman for the first time and maybe she is
a really cool chick and you are thinking of having a long term
relationship, I always kind of think to myself, this isn‟t the first dick
that has been in here, it ain‟t going to be the last. She is probably
going to have sex with somebody else again, it kind of jades things, I
guess, I‟m not a relationship expert

FS101: Yeah, me either…

GUNWITCH: But overall it makes it to where you don‟t get hurt, cause
guys are like “Oh my god, she had sex with some other guy” but it‟s a

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piece of skin going in a hole its all it is.

FS101: There‟s a whole lot of genetic and evolutional reasons for why
we get jealous. Back a million years ago, or even 100,000 years ago,
the whole purpose of sife was to stay alive, and stay alive long enough
to do the second purpose in life, which is to have kids, to be immortal,
and you‟re programmed that way, but you know if some guy was out
on the hunt, and you know, while he was gone, his wife or mate had
sex with another guy, you know, and he‟s spending all his hard time
out there bringing back the deer, then during that two weeks she has
somebody else‟s baby, you know, jealousy was a useful thing back
then, but its not too useful these days, you know, there‟s you know,
condoms and stuff…

GUNWITCH: Yeah, nowadays, there‟s no reason for it…

FS101: If you are going to be a pick up artist, my feeling is you gotta get
around the jealousy because women will smell that on you and that‟s
when they start digging into you with these thing like you know, we
were talking about, like we were talking about, like they need to get
your resources.

GUNWITCH: Yeah, you don‟t want to go along with that program, you
don‟t want to fit yourself into that model, of the survival and the uh,
the resources, and being a provider, and all that shit, you don‟t want
to fit yourself into that frame, by showing jealousy and showing ego,
about them having sex with another man, or you‟re just fitting
yourself right into the whole models.

FS101: They know how to take advantage!

GUNWITCH: Yeah, better than we do

FS101: Speaking of you know, not fitting into those models, you
mentioned to me earlier, you know, that you never really have been
on a date, as such.

GUNWITCH: Yeah, you know, its amazing, I hear about them, I mean.

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FS101: (laughs) you have heard about this thing called “dating”

GUNWITCH: Yeah, I‟ve been on dates with women, I mean I went out
with my girlfriends, I went to the bar with them, I‟ve even bought
women drinks, but I‟ve never uh, yeah, I‟ve never went out with a
woman, or met a woman then went out with her, then had sex with
her. It just doesn‟t happen, I don‟t know where this frame comes
from… maybe, living in a smaller town, it might be, kind of more of…
you can have more same day sex. But it‟s uh, I even wrote that into
my book, some guys may need to do phone number routes, they may
be busy, they might also uh, may want to meet women the next day
or two days later or something. But I myself personally, and my
wing, he was saying it too, we don‟t uh, we just don‟t see this, it‟s
almost always the same day, people have sex.

FS101: So that‟s an interesting… a small town… I mean actually I


thought… obviously I live in Tokyo right now, and I try to go for the
same day thing, because, as we‟re talking about, in a big city, what I
find is that after you have exchanged information (and parted ways)
there is so much other stimulus or stimuli for the women that you
can get lost in the masses, even if you were really special. But it‟s
interesting that you say its easier in a small town to get that.

GUNWITCH: I‟m not exactly sure it is though because I‟ve been to


bigger cities, you know, I‟ve been to Las Vegas, I‟ve been to
Minneapolis, and been to LA of course, its right down there, and uh,
yeah, it always happens the same there, too. Maybe it‟s the kind of
frame I bring though, like that‟s the model of how I work it, so its
definitely possible in these other places but maybe guys need to
spend a little bit more time with that model rather than thinking “I
have to get a number, and then I have to go on a date, then I have
to…” you know, rather than …

FS101: Well, that is the stereotypical thing, I mean uh, generally I


personally too, I was telling you, in Tokyo I try to go for the same day
thing as much as possible and if I can‟t then I will move to day 2. I
think that is a good thing for everyone listening to this is that if you

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want to get sex and you want to get a lot of it, the obvious thing is to
try to get it in the fastest possible time. I personally do that because
I spend over 80 hour a week working as I was telling you, and you
know uh, there‟s certain things I think in your… in people‟s
environment that will force them to uh, do things a certain way, but
it‟s interesting that you adapted that in a small town personally, to
me.

GUNWITCH: Yeah, it‟s uh, I more adopted it from the parties and stuff,
you know when I was a teenager, and I got into my early twenties, I‟d
be in a lot of social circle parties, and I could have sex with women
the same night, right there at the party, or maybe they‟d come home
with me, from the party, and it just was always kind of my frame, and
just how it happened, I never really thought about it much, until I
found the Fast Seduction website, and everything, and that‟s uh, its
kinda, some guys are doing the phone number thing, and I‟d seen
that in movies, guys asking for chicks numbers, and I thought, that‟s
kind of corny, you know, and what‟s the point of all that. I actually
have done some number closing and gotten numbers… probably
have about 300 number closes under my belt, none of them ever
panned out, none of them every went anywhere, so… I‟m abandoning
that!

FS101: Go with what works! Well that‟s interesting for all the guys
listening because it‟s uh… I think for those of us who have become
very successful, you know, we fortunately had certain environments
that forced that on us. Like I mean, I got to Tokyo, and people were
telling me you know, “all you have to do is get a girl back to your
place and she‟ll put out for you”. Well, it wasn‟t actually the case,
but I believed that, and so I started doing it, and you know, that‟s
how I started isolating, and then that was the frame for me, it‟s lucky
you had sort of your own party thing, and I think you know it‟s
interesting, it‟s one of those, the haves and the have nots, you know, I
mean for the guys who do get laid a lot, you know, then it‟s an easy,
repeatable structure, once you start doing it. And if you haven‟t,
you know, then you are repeating the same thing that isn‟t getting
you anywhere.

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GUNWITCH: Yeah, I always say that, “wash, rinse, and repeat” you
know, I‟ts kind of how the pick up is, you get one pick up, you can
repeat that with another chick, somehow someway. You may want
to refine it, make it quicker make it more smooth, make it better
looking women, you know whatever you want to do, but that‟s the
main thing, getting that first pickup or first few pickups, then you
start to see the patterns of how things go, and it can all be explained,
but actually going through it, you feel the emotions and stuff of it,
and the, the authentic like… you smell it with your eyes, it‟s like, it‟s
like a whole different thing than can be explained, once you‟ve gotten
a few pickups, and you start seeing that structure. It‟s kind of like
that Matrix movie, you know, you can‟t be told, you can be shown.
Everybody uses the Matrix analogies anymore, its funny, getting a
little over…

FS101: Well, it‟s still worthwhile… That same concept applies to what
we‟re talking about earlier, it‟s just that for guys sitting there right
now listening to this and thinking like “Oh, TokyoPUA and Gunwitch,
these guys you know, they get laid a lot”, but maybe they‟re worried
about just being able to approach in the first place, but the same
thing is true for even the smaller steps of getting to the lays, like just
starting to approach. If you do it once, and you find and you get one
that is successful, at least to the point where she finally talks to you,
then you lose your fear of the other stuff, at least temporarily, maybe
it come back on another day, but as you were saying, “wash, rinse,
repeat” you know, and you build yourself up. That‟s one thing I
liked about your book you know, you start out with your missions
and stuff, and you build it up into a bigger structure to where
finally…

GUNWITCH: Yeah, well something that uh, that‟s an analogy, I forget


where I heard it, but its very true, that uh, its especially true in
pickups, is that you got, its like your spark, your kindling and your
fire, and your spark is your initial desire for something, it‟s all it is,
and desire alone doesn‟t do anything, then like your willpower, is like
your kindling, you gotta have that to get the fire going, you gotta have
it to get something going, then the actual evidence of the success is
the fire, once its going, you can keep it going forever, once you get

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that evidence of success, after a few approaches, get some rapport,
alright cool, then you‟ve got your fire for that, once you get a few lays,
from approaches, then you‟re thinking… then you‟re a pick up artist,
„cause you‟ve got you‟re uh, then you‟ve got your fire, you‟re not
trying to just burn up kindling using all willpower, and you‟re not
just trying to create sparks, you just have the spark and then you get
the fire going and then you got it going, and its like…

FS101: So it‟s a repeatable process, once the fire is there.

GUNWITCH: Yeah, somebody said its like, you kind of wing it until
you get lucky a few times, is kind of a good method, „cause then you
get lucky several times, then you see the process. Its probably the
quickest way to become a pickup artist, is to just wing it, and just
approach tons and tons of chicks. But having some structure
behind it is a really good idea too, because I mean I look at myself,
took me about 9 years to come up with Gunwitch Method, which, if
I‟d had Gunwitch Method on day one, I‟m pretty sure I would have
been as good as I am now, by year one or year two, rather than taking
9 years. But, you can, once you have some amount of material, you
need some kind of structures, at least, you know, stuff from like the
manual from FastSeduction.com, and use that as your structure, and
try and work the chicks through that, see what works for you, what
doesn‟t. Get your uh, initial, you know, your few pick ups – the
evidence of the success, and you‟re gonna have, your gonna have the
fire going then. Then unless you give it up for some reason and end
up in a relationship, which that can really stunt you, them
relationships…

FS101: Haha, yeah, I know what you mean. You‟re mentioning


Gunwitch Method and one thing that I‟m personal curious about,
and I‟m sure you‟ve posted this before, maybe not, and if you care to
answer or not, but why the word/name Gunwitch?

GUNWITCH: Basically, it means a lot to me, really.

FS101: Oh, yeah?

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GUNWITCH: Yeah, I studied witchcraft, I studied chaos magic,
studied NLP, psychology, I mean I was really into all the influence,
everything.

FS101: Right.

GUNWITCH: I found that almost nothing works like common sense.


That‟s basically what it is. It‟s just…

FS101: Put some things together…

GUNWITCH: Yeah, put some things together like that.

FS101: All right, wanted to add some personal side to this whole
interview, because part of it, you know, guys are getting some good
information from this, but, you know, you have been one of the most
mysterious of the group because no one had ever met you before.

GUNWITCH: Yeah.

FS101: OK. You know, I think you mentioned in a post recently you‟ve
been with over 100 women, and I was just wondering if there was
one to you that was the most memorable, maybe it was there was
one…

GUNWITCH: My ex, my last ex, definitely, she threw me off the top of
her car in a parking lot, it was that intense, it was the most
memorable chick moment of my entire life. We got in an argument,
and she storms out and tried to leave me at the fucking store, and I‟m
a big guy, I don‟t walk, so I jumped on top of the car. The fucking
crazy bitch spun a doughnut and threw me off the car 15 or 20 feet,
so yeah, that‟s the most memorable. As far as romance goes,
definitely the first girl I was with, and falling in love and all that, that
was a pretty intense thing, it was the first time actually loving a girl
that you‟re having sex with. Too much almost.

FS101: So you are not immune to love just like the rest of us, you can
always catch it.

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GUNWITCH: No, no. I‟ve had about I think maybe 9 or 7 exes, you
know girlfriends, depending on what your time limit is. I‟ve been
with a couple for like a month and stuff like that. I guess I‟ve been
in love 9 times, and uh, I have had sex with all of them. I‟ve been in
love 11 times, but I didn‟t have sex with two of them because you
know because it was junior high and I didn‟t have anything going at
that time. But you know it really was love, you know, at the time.
Everybody says you know that is not love. But really, if you think its
love, it‟s love, you know, it‟s a thought.

FS101: Yeah, love is just a feeling. That‟s interesting. Well, what


about, OK… so that is the more personal love and romance, but what
about if there are some seductions you remember the most because
they were so fucking intense because she was a hot hot chick, or she
was hard to get her, but when you finally did.

GUNWITCH: I actually did a report on when I discovered the whole


“make the „ho say no” thing. Actually I discovered that catch phrase,
I was in a car in LA, and some guy some DJ comes on and said uh,
“you never know for show bro, so make the „ho say no” some shit like
that you know, it was kind of corny, but I started using that as my
signature and I really discovered like the persistence angle, on this
one, because she was super hot, and it was a department store pickup,
and she uh, it just you know, every little thing kept… I had to keep
persisting, I had to totally prod her throughout the entire process.
That I remember a lot because my success went up a lot after that,
because I realized, persistence, that‟s the key. That is still
something I have to keep in mind is persistence. Because you are so
conditioned to be polite and never offend anyone. But you‟re not
offending, you‟re taking accountability, I still have to keep that in
mind or else I‟ll even fail to persist. And…

FS101: Persistence, just for the record on my side, has always been a big
thing, and uh, you know I learned it through other areas, and uh, I
was actually a member of a fraternity in college where they forced
you to memorize a quote by Calvin Coolidge, one of the former
presidents of the United States, called “Persistence”, and you know,

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actually in my interactions with Jay, Formhandle, one of the first
things I did was to make him memorize that same quote, and there
would be times where we would be seeing a woman in a store and he
didn‟t want to approach, and I could just say the word “Persistence”
and it would be like an anchor for him, and he would go in and be
very successful after that. And so definitely agreed you know, if you
don‟t have persistence, half of the things in life in general that you
are going to do, but with women especially are going to need to see
that.

GUNWITCH: Yeah, you can project that same dominance and


willpower that a lot of feminine women, they don‟t really have.
They‟re uh, pampered all their life, and given everything they want,
so they don‟t have willpower and persistence. You‟re everything
they are not, when you show that you are masculine, you are the one
that puts in, they are the one that takes in. Then they match you,
then you‟ve got the sexual state, they match that, you‟ve got
attraction, It‟s very uh, willpower and persistence, and uh,
dominance, its all very uh, attractive to women. It in itself doesn‟t
create a sexual… you know a sexual feeling, you know I mean their
clit doesn‟t tingle because you are like that. More they take on your
character, they want to be like you, they are socially attracted to you,
so they start to match you, then you use the sexual state and they
match that and start to vibe with you sexually, then the clit does
tingle, and then you got „em.

FS101: Its interesting in your book you like uh, cite that… I don‟t know,
it was like the year 1940 when shit started going wrong in terms of
social conditioning, maybe where men lost persistence.

GUNWITCH: Yeah. Pulled that out of a hat, totally. You know, I


don‟t know the actual year of when these movements came on, but
probably right around there maybe around 1940 or 1960, somewhere
around there. You have like Gloria Steinem coming in and uh, you
also had men uh, stopped uh, stopped laboring as much, they lost
their “sun” because we have some much technology now, you know,
we don‟t have that same dominance anymore, because we sit and
punch keys on computers, you know what I am saying, you almost

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need to do something laborious with your body. It‟s, a lot of guys
just cant do it, and that‟s another thing that is a trade of willpower.
You know, if you don‟t have the willpower, you don‟t have the
persistence, to uh, be an athlete, or to be uh, be something
caveman-ish, you know. You need to have a little bit of something
physical to you. If you don‟t have the persistence and willpower do
that, you are not projecting anything good to women either.

FS101: I agree, and that is one thing I liked about your book, you know,
I have read tons of books on the subject myself, and one thing you
went out and said is “go out and find yourself some activity that
forces you into you know, challenge, win loss situation”, basically you
are telling guys to get something that is going to boost their
testosterone. You know, they have a choice from among different
things, but uh, you are exactly right, the average guy these days is a
wimp in a lot of ways, and need something to go to…

GUNWITCH: Yeah, uh, guy from down in Texas works with uh, Real
Social Dynamics, he‟s uh, Herbal is his name, and he does uh, you
know like professional gambling and uh, you know, that kind of thing.
And he‟s not a big guy or a masculine dude, he‟s not a burly fucker,
but he probably gets some of that from that because like you say, it‟s
a win loss situation, and uh yeah, anything can really do it, you just
gotta have something that, the intensity is more than picking up
chicks. If you are in the boxing ring, its kind of like in Fight Club,
where he says, uh, in the movie Fight Club, he says uh, you know, it
kind of turns down everything else in your life when you are fighting
all the time. And just like you can maybe be gambling, you can
maybe be fighting, it can maybe be downhill skiing, just something,
so that chicks aren‟t the most exciting rush you get. You want
something that tunes them out a bit, makes them seem less
intimidating.

FS101: That‟s a good point. You know, I find uh, I‟m doing in my
professional life, you know, I am involved in well, a lot of things, but
there comes a point where we are selling these big, expensive
machines to multinational companies and you know, the package
deals can wind up where you are selling 4 to 5 to 6 million dollars

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and there is an incredible rush when you get that and then when you
are sitting talking to a girl, and she is talking to you about some kind
of you know, bullshit that happened on TV…

GUNWITCH: Shit she has seen on TV. Haha, we said it at the same
time!

FS101: Exactly! You know, and suddenly you feel a little bit, call it
“above her”, maybe that is a bad way to put it, but you are coming
from a point of power where, say she is giving you some stupid shit
test, where you know, like, to see if you pass it… all that loses its
significance when you have just been out the day before trying to get
something like that. And whether it‟s gambling, or…

GUNWITCH: And again, she‟s turned down, you are turned up, she is
going to match you. It‟s the same… that is the whole nature of
women, is that they need to be submissive. And most men are
totally against that, they won‟t try to make a woman submissive. So
that doesn‟t… so they never end up picking them up. They never
end up getting the attraction, because she never goes submissive,
they never go sexual, and it never links up.

FS101: That‟s evolution. You know, I think the interesting thing is


that society has gone so fast forward that you know, there‟s a lot of
things that put us beyond where we have evolved to, but evolution is
still a big part of us. And you said the dominance needs to be there,
and you can‟t ignore these things.

GUNWITCH: Yeah, it‟s a synergy, is what I like to call it, you know, it‟s
like a synergy of several things have to come together. And that‟s
why, sometimes guys are naturals, because sometimes they just put
up all that together normally. And, they don‟t use a certain verbal
technique or anything, they just project that, that confidence, that
willpower, the persistence… you know, the masculine man. And
women submit to that. And sometimes you think a guy is kind of a
goof, or something. Its kind of… I talk about it in my book, with the
“star” I talk about at the end of it. Which is like… when you‟ve
totally got your character down, you can add a niche to it, you can be

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a gothic guy, you can be like a heavy metal guy, you can have some
kind of a niche to add a flavor to it, that they can more easily match.
Like uh, like those guys that act like they are gang bangers and shit,
women can easily match that, „cause it‟s such identifiable character
traits they are putting on. It‟s like, it‟s not congruent with some
guys, so they don‟t get laid. But you get the guys that are like, uh,
you know they are talking all the gibberish, you know, ghetto talk, all
that shit, and women will start to match that too. It‟s something
easy for them to latch on to, „cause they cant really match you being
extremely masculine. More you will just see, they go a little
opposite, they go submissive. But that basically means they are
matching your dynamic. That‟s what you see in them. And that is
kind of like when you get the rapport, all of a sudden they start
giggling at shit that ain‟t funny. That‟s when you got „em. Yeah,
they are matching it, they‟re vibing with the uh, “you‟re the man,
she‟s the woman”. I mean it‟s basically, me and my wing were
talking about it, it‟s basically, you make „em your bitch. You make
the chick your bitch, you know. I mean, you ain‟t gotta be mean to
„em or nothing, but you gotta project something that makes them
want to be your bitch. Kind of like the prison term of “bitch”.

FS101: Where they are truly submitted.

GUNWITCH: Yeah. But women don‟t like the idea of that. But who
do they have sex with?

FS101: On the other hand, they are feeling and they actually relate to it.

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Volume 2

FS101: You know, definitely through your writings and now seeing you
in person, it‟s very clear that you‟re very much of a self-made man.
You‟ve got success in your own personal business and now you‟re
writing your book, it‟s very successful…

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GUNWITCH: …everybody said “oh, you‟ll never put out a method,


you‟ll never write up something to explain how you get the success
rate you claim. I did that. They said “you‟ll never talk to anybody
on the phone”. I did that. “You‟ll never put up a picture”. I did
that. “You‟ll never meet anybody.” I did that. What do I gotta do
now? You know, I mean shit!

FS101: One of the things that was most influential to me was just uh,
the readings that I did in mASF and such. And you know, I could
give a shit whether a lot of those guys who I read from actually got
laid themselves, but the fact is that what they wrote got me laid,
and…

GUNWITCH: Yeah, that is what I love to look at too, is they lay reports
with my method (on mASF). It really gives me a lot of pride, you
know, it makes me feel good. I‟m like the de-virginator, you know, I
got… more guys have been de-virginated using my stuff than I‟ve
seen anybody else‟s, you know, and its like, stuff like that makes me
feel good, you know, I‟m getting that going, and yeah, a lot of people
demand too much proof…

FS101: And I can see there is some point where you want to see, does
that guy actually get laid, but to obsess on it is a little bit too much.

GUNWITCH: Yeah, it‟s pretty blatant, I mean if, assuming I‟ve never
been laid, looking at me right now, its pretty amazing I have made up
a fucking method that hundreds of guys are getting laid with. I
think that‟s pretty impossible. If I knew absolutely nothing about
women, how in the hell did I make up this method that…

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FS101. A.) it‟s unlikely, but B.) it‟s also kind of immaterial „cause
personally, if its something that works for me, I don‟t really care
where it came from, it works. It‟s sort of the pragmatic approach,
so… Well, OK, let‟s go back to that question on masters, I was
trying to get actually at more like what influenced you to do better.
Like for example, how influential was you say was the public ASF
forum vs. the mASF forum, you know, what things have helped you
develop personally by…

GUNWITCH: Probably the greatest influence was as a teacher in the


chat room (on FS101). I really got a feel for what the guys are
wanitng, what they need to learn, what the problems are, stuff like
that.

FS101: You mean the chat room on Fast Seduction?

GUNWITCH: Yeah, on Fast Seduction. I go in there a lot, almost


every night before I go to bed… lately I haven‟t been, but uh, yeah,
when I do, it really gives me something as a teacher, that I never
knew I had at all. I never... I wrote up Gunwitch Method kind of
explaining what I do, and then I went in the chat room, and you
know I would come on the boards and stuff like that, and I would uh,
I would answer people‟s questions and stuff. But now, doing the
private chats with people, and even doing the public chats with
people on the forum, I‟ve really gotten a sense as a teacher. I feel
pride when somebody does well using my stuff, or I uh, it also gives
me kind of uh, I don‟t know what you‟d call it, I kind of became more
Gunwitch, than I was before. Because, I‟m more authorative now
even, I feel more authority because I have helped so many people, I
feel like, I‟m up there with Casanova and Don Juan when you think
about seduction. And I notice just carrying myself that way, chicks
will give me fucking vibe, and shit like that.

FS101: Maybe if I could sum it up, there‟s kind of like a cliché, the
saying that “the best way to learn is through teaching”

GUNWITCH: Yeah, I‟m way better…

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FS101: So by being on mASF, and the chat room in particular, you have
been able to teach, and then that authority actually gives you a
positive feedback loop for yourself,

GUNWITCH: Exactly, yeah.

FS101: I guess I can uh, kind of relate to that, I mean uh, I spend a lot
less time posting and on chats obviously, but there is.. just by sort of
having gotten renown as being TokyoPUA there‟s times where you
know, you are dealing with a woman and things aren‟t going very
well, and its just like, does this girl have any idea who she is dealing
with? And then I kick it in gear and, boom, take things higher.

GUNWITCH: You know its extreme for me because its like, I forget
what Jay was saying, you know like, maybe 500,000 people know
who I am, know about my methods and stuff. You know, I am
probably up there with like, literally, somebody thinks about
seduction, a human male, they may think Casanova, then Don Juan,
and then Gunwitch, and its kind of strange, yeah, because I will be
sitting there thinking… Just last night I told some people there in uh,
Eugene, told „em, “I‟m Gunwitch, from Fast Seduction”. And they
are like “what?” And I‟m like “Go check it out! I‟m fucking
famous!” And I‟m just fucking with them, you know.

FS101: But it is interesting, you know, if you think about in this day and
age, what I like to say about our site, Fast Seduction 101, is that it‟s
where Casanova meets the internet. It‟s like, people like you, have
always existed throughout history, but very few people have had
access to them.

GUNWITCH: Yeah, there‟s no other venue for it, yeah.

FS101: So that is where people are really fortunate now, you know, I
mean its like all the stuff dear old dad should have taught you but
never did. And now the guys who know a lot you can have access to.
In general, let‟s talk about, there‟s a lot of methods out there, and
some of them are technique based and stuff, but the thing I like

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about your method because it sort of jibes with mine is that and the
things I do, is that its very masculine, and uh, I almost think that as
part of the seduction you will enjoy something more if you are doing
it from a masculine point of view. The thing about being in a sexual
state, for me that is half the enjoyment for me, is the chase, and I
mean, on the streets of Tokyo, we do a lot, you know its very similar
to what, I forget what you called it, but what I call “follow mode”.

GUNWITCH: Ah, the “stalk” I call it in the book.

FS101: OK, yeah, yeah. I guess I use a more euphemistic term for it, but
anyway, that when you walk behind a girl and just you know, she‟s
wearing a short skirt, or she has a nice ass, and you let the masculine
side of you come out, and you just chase and its kind of primal and
uh,

GUNWITCH: Yeah, I like the kind of biological side of it, more than
social, the social side of it, I don‟t wanna wow her, I wanna make her
clit tingle. That‟s what I want, you know, I don‟t want her to think I
am cool, I want her to wanna fuck me. It‟s my whole thing, that‟s
what separates my method from a lot of other methods is I don‟t
want her to fuck me „cause I am cool, I want her to fuck me because
she‟s hot, and she‟s hot for me. That is where I wanna go, I don‟t
wanna…

FS101: And the sex is better at that point. I think about this, and how
lucky I am compared to a guy like Bill Gates. That guy might be
able to get a lot more pussy than I can by virtue of having a bankroll
that is you know, massive, but I think a lot of those women would
enjoy sex with me a hell of a lot more than with him, it doesn‟t matter.
There is a point there where her being hot for you is …

GUNWITCH: Yeah.

FS101: I think of it as a positive biofeedback loop, because you actually,


you know, your physiology understands that if a woman is turned on
and is having orgasm, she is more likely to have children. In other
words, if you came in her right then and there, you know, her orgasm

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would cause your cum to fertilize her egg more likely, it pulls it up
into the uterus, there are a whole lot of… you can read all this shit in
books, but you know, that‟s why guys get excited when the girl gets
excited. They know, because at the end of the day it was all about
you gotta have children. I think there‟s positive feedback
mechanisms, that‟s what orgasm is right: here is your reward for
that. And so, if your method is also getting a chick hot versus, you
know you got her where she is like “this is the coolest guy I‟ve met, I
should fuck him because I may never meet a guy like this again” then
you know, maybe she is not really totally into it, where if you got her
hot, you know then there is of course some physical technique that
can be brought into play in either case, but yeah, it‟s a lot more
enjoyable when she wants to rape you versus…

GUNWITCH: Yeah, to me its like, I always explain that kind of stuff,


and uh, and its kind of shocking to me that guys will be uh, in any
doubt of uh, my capability for myself to find a woman to stick my
penis in. You know, they act like I am fucking saying I am slaying
dragons here you know. Shit, it ain‟t that god damn hard, it‟ s just a
sexual thing, I mean, women do want that sex with guys if they are
hot for them.

FS101: (laughing) Ah, that‟s excellent, “slaying dragons”. But no, its
true, I think like Jay was talking with his dad for example about what
his is doing, and his dad can‟t believe it, its like “what‟s so hard about
it”? And that is a strange thing, but that is what society has
developed, it is hard for some guys.

GUNWITCH: Yeah, it‟s hard for some guys and uh, yeah, its once you
understand the dynamics of it, just get out there and work „em its not
that fucking hard, its just a lot of guys either won‟t get out there and
work „em, or are scared to get out there and work them, don‟t even
know about the dynamics, or uh, are in a whole different set of
dynamics. Thinking, I gotta make a whole lot of money, I gotta be
super fit, you know, instead of going with the human dynamics of it
and working them. They‟re trying to attract women, with uh,
anything else, they are trying to make it too easy is what it is, they
want it too damn easy, and they are willing to work super hard to

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make it super easy, it gets really confusing at some point. You are
working for all the money, to get the pussy, why not just work to get
the pussy.

FS101: That‟s a quick jump to getting to the goal, which is interesting,


you know I started out life studying as an engineer, I remember there
was one day, where after 3 years of sitting in a basement library
studying my ass off, me and some friends were sitting there saying
why are we all doing this, and you know, I forget if it was me or my
friend, but whatever, it was like “for the chicks”. But we had wasted
3 years of our lives already, you know, I mean…

GUNWITCH: could have gotten laid a lot.

FS101: …there was guys out on roller blades, you know the business
majors, no offense to you guys who are business majors, but you got
the fucking engineers sitting there in the library, you know uh,
busting their ass, but never get any pussy, and its like, at some point
in your life, you gotta look at, what is your goal, and really because of
biology a lot of your goal is to get laid by hot women, and if whatever
you are doing now isn‟t doing that, you know, I mean, you gotta do
something differently and certainly, your book and your method is a
quick way to get to that.

GUNWITCH: Thanks. Yeah, the uh… yeah, just having these guys
laying on the beach, surf bums, they may have no job prospects, but
they may end up fucking 50, 100 women in their life, but some guy
works his fucking ass to the bone, ends up with a trophy wife, has sex
with a couple of other women that he dated… I mean that beach
bum has a little more together, you know! He‟s not really
contributing as much to society, but he‟s contributing more to
himself.

FS101: And you got to ask yourself at some point, how much of a
hedonist are you, I found out I‟m pretty much a hedonist. You
know, I still work 80 hours a week, but I have become very efficient
at least at meeting that goal, and uh you know uh…

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GUNWITCH: Yeah and like you said earlier, you like to do it pretty
quick, like get different phone numbers and shit, call „em at you
know, weekly intervals and get a lot of a uh… you got your own style
of doing…

FS101: I go for the same day as much as possible but in the worst case, I
will… I mean it‟s a special dynamic that may be special to Tokyo and
not applicable to half the guys on this planet because you can call the
girl 6 months later and she‟s on.

GUNWITCH: Yeah, yeah, that‟s definitely not something… I mean me,


I can make out with a girl, and if it doesn‟t go, I will see her a few
days later and she won‟t want nothing to do with me and it‟s a totally
different dynamic.

FS101: Well that can happen anywhere, and I don‟t know what‟s up
with that, I think women you know like you were saying, the ideal
thing is when you can get to sex with them the first day and you‟ve
given them that excuse you know where you are taking the
responsibility, but after that point, they are sitting there thinking to
themselves “Oh, my God, what did I do”, you‟ve got to not let them
have time to go through that whole thought process.

GUNWITCH: Yeah, exactly.

FS101: And if they bring in another girl to talk about it with, you know,
they don‟t want to look like a slut .. That was one thing I really liked
about your book, it was just this particular realization, you had where,
you know, I think we all know women don‟t want to be called sluts,
but you said… you made it even more intense in that you said, “it‟s
not just that they don‟t want to be thought of as sluts, like they say
„that would suck‟, but actually they truly, seriously fear that shit.”

GUNWITCH: Yeah, because they are totally outcast at that point.


They‟re being outcast for fucking up the shit for all other women, and
they can really be… like in the book I was talking about girls in high
school or in the workplace if a girl slept with the wrong guy, all the
girls start calling her a slut, so she‟s outcast. It can like fuck up their

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lives socially and in every other regard. Then again you have the
other women that they are like real sluts, they will fuck… they want
to fuck everybody, it‟s cool, and they are the real fucking article, they
don‟t give a shit, they will tell you themselves “yeah, I‟m a fucking
slut, I like it” and those are some cool chicks to me, I like that.
You‟ve got them, and there is such thing as a whore too, I mean there
are women who do fuck guys just for their money. You can go to the
Playboy Mansion and find 7 or 8 of them at a time, and a lot of guys
say Hugh Heffner is so smooth and shit, but I guarantee you when he
came in with a bottle of Viagra a few playmates threw up in their
mouth, OK?

FS101: laughs

GUNWITCH: Yeah, I guarantee you they didn‟t go there because he is


so suave. Yeah, so basically they got the women there, they are
basically whores. And you do have women who are sluts, it‟s not a
bad thing, really, in my opinion. I suppose if I were a rich guy I
would think whores are a good thing too.

FS101: Hey, not most of us are.

GUNWITCH: Yeah.

FS101: Let‟s step through one given seduction that you went through,
like I mean lets verbalize one of your lay reports, one that I recently
may have commented on myself, I forget, I think maybe there was
some point where you met her and she was looking at candy canes.

GUNWITCH: Oh, I think it was a lollypop, it was like a big…

FS101: Let‟s start from the top on that one, „cause that was a good one.

GUNWITCH: That was, I went down to the local mall, and she was
sitting there on a stool type of thing, like a barbers chair thing in a
hair shop. So I did kind of a hover thing, I didn‟t really hover, but I
kind of walked around, I went over and looked at their hair care
products, even though I didn‟t really want it, and I was still checking

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it out. She was sitting over there and I fucking said, “Hey, what‟s
up? Come over here and smell this, it was a shampoo bottle type of
thing or gel, what do you think it smells like?” And she was cool
with that.

FS101: That‟s an important part right there, you‟ve got to see if the girl
is cool or not and…

GUNWITCH: Yeah, and she wasn‟t like fucking “who are you?”

FS101: That is one thing you say in your book, many guys are like
thinking that they are going to go up and it‟s going to be some kind of
crazy reaction, but the average woman are going to be a little bit
happy. I hate to keep asking questions, but did this girl have, you
mentioned you do a lot of screening for how a girl is dressed, did this
girl dress in a way that you felt you might be successful?

GUNWITCH: I remember seeing her legs, but I didn‟t really screen


that time. I remember thinking she was very my type.

FS101: I remember you saying that she was your “10”. Because a big
part of your method, you are going for girls who are your type. It‟s
not like some guys who just go for Pamela Anderson.

GUNWITCH: That ain‟t a ten to everybody.

FS101: Yeah, certainly not Pamela Anderson for me.

GUNWITCH: Yeah, I kind of go for girls that are like pale, and have
like really black black long straight hair.

FS101: You need to come out to Tokyo!

GUNWITCH: (laughing) Yeah. I kinda go for that. And she was


kinda ideal for me. And then I went over and kind of talked to her a
little bit, I can‟t remember what about, and then I went over and…

FS101: Well, you had her smell that thing right?

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GUNWITCH: Yeah, I had her smell the thing, and then… I talked so
much fucking fluff, I mean I have no real verbal seduction technique.

[ Editing Note: this interview had not been planned and


the questions about this girl were probably from a year or
two ago, so beyond not having a specific verbal gameplan,
it’s understandable Gunwitch didn’t remember all the
details perfectly. For more full details and discussion,
check this link:
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=retrieve&grp=4&mn=1078307551135144 ]

GUNWITCH: I mostly just wind up talking about TV and movies and


shit like that because it gets the rapport assumed, and it‟s almost
always the same shit, you know, I will be talking about the Simpsons.

FS101: That is what some might call universal experience… everybody


has seen it so you can get a good response.

GUNWITCH: Yeah, and we get shit like that going and uh, she was
waiting to get her hair done, so I went and read a book, there is like a
Waldenbooks kitty corner to it, I was over there and I think I came
back and uh, was waiting when she was done, and that is when the
whole lollypop incident happened, and I was just fucking around
with her, busting her chops, and uh, after that, we just went down…
it was kind of more of a hookup kind of a pickup at that time, it
wasn‟t really much to tell, it was really kind of standard,

FS101: You are probably forgetting some of it because I forget some of


what I write too, but there were some really cool moments in there,
so I will just maybe reference the guys to just search through your
archive on our site, but that was a particularly… certain things about
the way you asked her about the lollipop was kind of sexual.

GUNWITCH: Yeah, just basically you do stuff like that and uh, I forget,
I think I lied

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FS101: The time…

GUNWITCH: The happy hour, oh, I always do that, I always tell chicks
“It‟s happy hour”. Yeah, and they don‟t fucking know. (laughing)

FS101: So, you and I know what you‟re talking about, basically you told
her it was happy hour, but it was more like 2 in the afternoon or
something it was an excuse to go to the bar.

GUNWITCH: Yeah. It was in the noon or something, or 1 or


something.

FS101: You guys got there and she‟s like “it‟s not happy hour” and
you‟re like “Oh, I guess I was wrong”

GUNWITCH: Yeah, I think I, there was something, kind of a weird


moment at the bar before we were leaving, I had to pull out some
persistence there „cause she was kinda acting like maybe she was
wanting to go home or something. I don‟t know if I even included
that in the report. I can‟t remember, but I remember she was like,
she was definitely like “you know, maybe I should go home” or
something.

FS101: I think she had like a bunch of different plans or something

GUNWITCH: Yeah, there was something going on with that. I never


heard from her again, though. But yeah, we just ended up going
back to the house.

FS101: You guys took separate cars, too, that was an interesting part for
me. You let her out of your site. You had to, it sounded like, in
that case.

GUNWITCH: That happens a lot, because it‟s like in fucking Klameth,


nobody walks anywhere, everything‟s so damn far apart you almost
always end up, you know, chicks have their own car or, like, you can
caravan them and have them follow you, you follow them, whatever,
or, sometimes they‟ll end up riding with you and you take them back

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to their car later, that‟s kind of a rare instance. Usually, they want
their own car so they can leave if you get weird, I think that‟s kind of
the thought process behind that they want their own, they want their
way out, but yeah. Yeah, that pickup, how long ago was that
maybe? 6 Months ago? It was mid-winter, pretty sure.

FS101: I remember actually another thing that was interesting to me,


too, was you had been doing a lot of other things in retrospect, now I
know you must have been writing your book, and so there was a lot
of things, you actually weren‟t doing a lot of PUA and you said
yourself you‟d been rusty, but it‟s impressive to see you come off of
being rusty and do something like that.

GUNWITCH: Yeah, I mean, shit, I‟ve been really rusty lately just in
general because working so much on the website and all that. Like
last night going out in Eugene, there, it was like I was just kinda
piddling around, there wasn‟t reallymany women I was attracted to,
either.

FS101: That‟s one big part of it, I mean, doesn‟t matter how good your
technique is, if the girls don‟t interest you, there goes the sexual state
part of that, so your method, any method, is going to have a problem
with that.

GUNWITCH: Yeah, I just didn‟t really have much interest last night,
plus, yeah, I‟m just rusty. Haven‟t, ah, don‟t really care for the clubs,
either, and it was a super loud club. But yeah, I mean, If I just do
street..

FS101: We‟re both more like street versus club.

GUNWITCH: Yeah, when I do street, no matter how rusty I am, I can


pretty much pull it off within, you know, if I‟m really really rusty, it
might take me about 5 or 6 approaches to get warmed up, and get
shit going, but club, I mean, fuck, even when I‟m the game really well
it would be 15 approaches or some fuck. All you guys out there
gotta realize that it‟s, can‟t fucking expect to have sex with every
woman. That‟s why I call my program “Dynamic Sex Life” not

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“How to Pick Up Chicks”, „cause it‟s not about picking up one chick
it‟s about your sex life. It‟s not about never striking out, it‟s about
striking out enough that you have some successes.

FS101: Like you said at the beginning of this interview, “I‟ve had 3,000
rejections”

GUNWITCH: Over maybe 12 years.

FS101: I think they say a similar statistic about Michael Jordan, like, or
someone, you know, he‟s got all the statistics for most games won but
he said he‟s also, you know, lost more or been handed the ball to win
the game and lost it more times than everyone else. He was always
entrusted with it, but that‟s another reason why he got better, but it‟s
the same thing.

GUNWITCH: Babe Ruth was like the home run king and everything,
but he also struck out more than everybody else. Yeah, it‟s all about
your sex life not about being the best Pickup Artist, it‟s about having
a good sex life for yourself and enjoying yourself in everything, I
think it‟s that way. Not being the best, not being outcome oriented,
but being mastery oriented. You want to master things not depend
on the outcome to make you feel good.

FS101: That‟s a very NLP thing you‟re saying.

GUNWITCH: Yeah, It‟s more of a martial arts that I‟ve come to that.
In martial arts they, it‟s like they say, you know, you can‟t be
outcome dependant on winning this match, you know, win this
boxing match, win this Judo, you know, winning this Randori session.
You can‟t can‟t be dependent on that. You have to think in terms of
“this is part of my mastery”, part of the mastery is doing this, doing
the sparring, doing, you know, the Randori. That‟s the way to go for
it, not sit and think “oh, I gotta fucking have a, I gotta beat this guy
or else I‟m not worthwhile”. No, it‟s not about that, it‟s especially
not about that in the pickup community, as far as I‟m concerned.
It‟s not about being better than some other pickup artist.

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FS101: Right

GUNWITCH: It‟s about having a sex life that‟s satisfying to you.

FS101: Yeah, no, that‟s, I agree with you there. I mean, you can get
caught up a lot in, you know, trying to be like some other guy, it‟s the
same thing as trying to beat the Joneses, you know, someone gets a
better car then you, next, it‟s always a never-ending battle and that‟s
where…

GUNWITCH: Yeah, you just gotta get what‟s satisfying to you. That‟s
the way to live in my book and especially in pickup, „cause it‟s all
about your satisfaction at the end of the day.

FS101: You know, there was one thing that was interesting to me about
your book and maybe the way you developed your method, but, at
one point you kinda stripped everything down, it‟s like you almost
threw out everything you knew and then started to start with the
fundamentals and it was similar to me, I‟m not sure if I‟m
remembering the exact guy, but like, I think it was Descartes who is
one of the famous French mathematicians, also philosopher, he did
something like that early on, too, he was like, he wanted to sort of
form his theory about the world and then he like, he just assumed
nothing, then he started building on little blocks. I don‟t know why
but when I read your book I had this feeling of like that that‟s what
you were doing. I was wondering if you were philosophy based or…

GUNWITCH: Well, um, yeah, was Isaac Newton basically was a


chemist experimented with all kinds of chemistry trying to
manipulate nature for years and years and years. Finally, he came
back to the equations that it‟s all nature. You can‟t manipulate
nature. Because the chemistry will always do something chaotic.
So you have to…nature itself is not chaotic, nature itself follows a
system. Everything has a synergy. If you go against nature in any
way, it fails from there and creates more chaos. It would be chaos
against chaos. And, humans are chaotic.

FS101: Very much so, sure.

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GUNWITCH: And so when you‟re dealing with, especially something
like pickup, you have to go as natural as possible, which is man and
woman having a dynamic between „em, and, you projecting your
masculinity, her submitting, you know back to the same thing of, and
then everything going sexual between them. You want to get it as
close to that dynamic as possible. As close to nature as possible.
Just like Isaac Newton, his theories were almost that you needed to
use like, you know, like natural medicines and stuff like, and
naturally occurring things rather than, as little as possible stripped
down, you want to use as little as possible rather than over
complicating it by using too much of different of equations and
chemicals and shit like that.

FS101: Did you ever read, what was it, like Dianetics or any of that stuff.

GUNWITCH: Oh, yeah, yeah, the Scientology thing, yeah I read that,
yeah.

FS101: You might wonder how I knew that, but just reading your book
there was one point in there where you said “If you don‟t understand
even one word, go back and look it up” and the only place I‟d ever
heard that in the whole, you know, all of my readings was reading
Dianetics.

GUNWITCH: Yeah, I‟m actually not a Scientologist.

FS101: I didn‟t think so.

GUNWITCH: But, no, I did read that, and that did strike me that that‟s
a good thing. Rather than letting somebodh skim over a whole
sentence „cause they don‟t understand a word, it is a good idea, have
them look it up. Because then they learn that

FS101: It also forces effort and concentration.

GUNWITCH: Yeah.

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FS101: But it‟s interesting, I mean just now we‟re talking philosophy
and things like that, I mean it‟s interesting how, I think a lot of the
guys who are actually pretty good do have a, you know, a wide range
of interests and it‟s weird how just reading your book I could read
that and say, “I bet Gunwitch read Dianetics.” You know, and it‟s
like I think we all, a lot of us, have, you know, common threads in
that sense, some of the better guys and it‟s really interesting to me, I
mean, you‟ve said you‟ve, like you said, all the way into like
witchcraft and NLP and all that stuff, but, ah, you know, came up
with all these new things. One thing about your method that, the
stuff you originally published on Fast Seduction, which I found was
les ins, you didn‟t include it much in the, in your book, but you have
this thing where you kind of helped a guy understand what he‟s likely
to be able to get based on his appearance and based on his
persistence. You assigned both a scale of 1 to 10 and then you kind
of, you seem to have gone away from that a little bit in the book, but,
want to discuss that?

GUNWITCH: Well. I mean, I don‟t want to get into mudslinging.


It‟s „cause Tyler kinda wrote that. I mean he proofread my book and
he came up with the looks and efforts thing. I came up with the
looks and efforts scale totally, but he kinda made it over complicated.
Basically, I mean, I was going, I was trying to say, you know, if a
guy‟s a 10, he‟s only going to have to put out, you know, a 5 in effort.
And he‟ll get, you know, he‟ll do better. And, as it is, I mean, as far
as my method has come since then, I found that guys who are like a 5
or 6 don‟t have to put out an extreme amount of effort if they really
get their inner game down and shit. They can get, you know, they
can get their 10‟s and they can do it with a reasonable amount of
effort. You know, maybe they‟re going to have to get rejected 10, 15
times or something before they get one, but hey, that beats doing it
cold, you know, with one in a hundred, I mean, you start getting
rejected 100 times in a row or something because you‟re a 5 or 6 in
looks, you‟re not a very good looking guy. That‟s kinda crushing.
Yeah, at that time, I myself could go on that scale, and that was more,
Gunwitch Method was more what I did, everybody was like “What do
you do to get this success rate”, so I wrote kinda what I did. Now
I‟m more moving into, like with the book, what, ah, what you can do

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to be, to do what I do, rather than, you know, just what I do. And,
ah, yeah, everything in Gunwitch Method was kinda like, it was a
large newsletter or something, kinda. Like a large post of all the
things I do and don‟t do, or at the time. I mean, now, even like
certain things like introducing myself with my first and last name,
I‟ve dropped that. It‟s just extra fluff. I have no reason to add it
into the equation, I don‟t ever hardly ever introduce myself anymore.
If women sit there and, you know, they ask me a question or
something, ask me a question about my name, you know, they‟ll be
like, “What‟s your name?”, a lot of times I‟ll say Gun anymore and it
makes me feel more congruent with, you know, I‟m the fucking, I‟m
the seduction master. Yeah, and other times, like I was just telling
you earlier, I‟ll say Al and they‟ll say “What, Alex” and I‟ll say “Yeah,
Alex”, or they say “Like Alec”, and I‟ll say…

FS101: Oh, you leave it open

GUNWITCH: Yeah. Or they‟ll say “Allen” and “Yeah”. I like them


pick whatever they like. And you know, shit like that. But, I mean,
little tricks like that, I could probably write Gunwitch Method, what I
do exactly in 15, 16 pages or something today, and it would be slightly
different than then, then maybe in 5 years, it would be completely
different – not completely, but, you know, just different little,
different little tricks like that. The actual meat and potatoes, you
know, the wrap, relaxation, assuming rapport, assuming sexual state,
persistence, that always stays intact, it‟s just all the little tricks and
different ideas about things and thoughts, like the looks scale and the
efforts scale and all that, the ideas like that kinda change because it‟s
more like a teaching method, you know. I‟ll never perfect teaching,
you‟ll never perfect the art of teaching somebody because
everybody‟s different. So that‟s why you have to have that meat, you
have to have that exact stuff like the inner game stuff like the wrap
method inside the Dynamic Sex Life book, because it uh…

FS101: Yeah, that was new. Like that was stuff you don‟t find in the
free version.

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the Relaxation of Outcome, and Relaxation of Mind and Body, the
two different R‟s in foundations and advanced. I mean, that‟s
something I never even hardly ever talked about, „cause I‟d had it
done for the last 10 years, so I never even brought it up. But it‟s for
new guys, they need that. They need to get the relaxation parts
down.

FS101: You talked in the original method and also in the book about
selling a better product, so getting back to that looks scale. But one
thing that, you know, even myself, I got away from for a while, was,
you know, first you, before you find all this stuff, you know, you think,
like the rest of society, all right I gotta look my best and, you know,
maybe you‟ll focus on trying to look really good and you‟ll have zero
game. Then you find Fast Seduction 101 and you realize there‟s all
these techniques and you might actually go the other way and I
found myself, you know, worrying about learning all these various
things and then, you know, I let me looks go and then I still did
better because the techniques were good and the attitudes were good
but then, at the end of the day…

GUNWITCH: Could have been better with the looks

FS101: With the looks, right, and you know, you don‟t lie about that,
you say there‟s a lot of good things that you could do, you yourself
you found that, you know, when you cut down…

GUNWITCH: When I bulked up, I mean, I have to work a lot harder


for my chat. I mean, when I‟m trim, sometimes women will open
me, I mean, not perfect 10‟s or anything, I‟m not that fucking good
looking of a guy, but I mean when I get a, when I may have totally
trimmed up a 7 or an 8 might open me, which hell, I‟ll take it if it‟s
free.

FS101: You know that if they‟re opening you, then 9‟s and 10‟s are
thinking about it, but they‟re too proud to.

GUNWITCH: Exactly, and they‟re easier to pickup. Yeah. But yeah,


when I‟m in this kind of condition, it‟s like, I can get my 10‟s, like

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social 10‟s, like girls everyone thinks, “That‟s a 10” on first sight, that
can be tough, because socially it doesn‟t look good, because…

FS101: They don‟t want to be seen with you because you‟re bigger.

GUNWITCH: But when I‟m trimmed up, it‟s more like the opposite.
It‟s like I‟m socially acceptable, especially in my area, „cause it‟s like
being bigger and shit is pretty fashionable

FS101: So can we expect a leaner, trimmer, meaner Gunwitch in the


2005 PUA Summit in Austin?

GUNWITCH: If I go to the Austin Summit, I‟m definitely, I‟m coming


out with, I wanna be trimmed up. I‟m going to be on my fucking A
game. Because I got competition there.

FS101: Remember what I said, think in the end, you know, it‟s more
about your method then all your competition, they‟ll be plenty of
guys thinking “who can pick up what”.

GUNWITCH: Yeah, of course.

FS101: I figure me and Jay will be out there, too, and I really don‟t want
to get involved in that, I just wanna have fun. Why is it everyone
has to, you know, prove something there, but, uh…

GUNWITCH: Figure, the hell with it, though. May as well do it.
Have fun with it.

FS101: I mean, there‟s one of those things there, too, I mean, some of
these guys do have, are in this game for the game, they call it a game,
and you know, part of that, you know, beating the other guys is one
of those things of getting your sun, you know, getting the masculine
part and if that‟s what does it for you, then hey, that‟s part of the
game, then that‟s cool. For me, it‟s more about getting the kind of
chicks I like and I think it is for you, too.

GUNWITCH: Yeah, exactly. But, yeah, you get kinda talked down by

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them guys that are into it for the game. They‟re more obsessed with
who‟s the best. “I want to be the best”. I figure if I‟m going to have
to encounter them, I may as well be ready to buck up and say “okay,
you know, we‟ll have a drink, pick a target”. You pick a target, one
of us, you know, will try to pick it up. You know, shit like that.
Just nothing, yeah, I mean, I think it‟ll be like fucking “we‟re gonna
have a foot race now”. You know? I don‟t want to get into all kinds
of crazy shit.

FS101: We should have some arm wrestling, I know you can beat all of
them there. “Ok, we‟re going to determine the best PUA by arm
wrestling”.

GUNWITCH: It‟s been good. You know, just teaching the stuff. Some
of the ego does come in with the other guys, and it‟s like, it doesn‟t, I
don‟t know, I mean, a lot of people tend to perceive it like I hate
these guys or something. But really, I mean, like I‟ve said, you
know, if I walked into a bar and I seen fucking Tyler or something,
TylerDurden getting kicked in the stomach or something by some
dude, I‟d beat the guys ass for him. But I‟ve seen this competition,
you know, surely from marketing wise and also pride wise, I want my
method to be the top method, and I want more people to try my
method. But I don‟t hate these guys in any way like, you know, like
as an enemy, as a real enemy or something. But a lot of people tend
to kinda take it that way, „cause it‟s “Oh, it‟s Gunwitch, he‟s the
violent, he‟s a loose cannon”. You know, it‟s stupid.

FS101: I mean, you know, guys have to understand that, you know, you
are kind a masculine guy so you don‟t take shit. That‟s one thing
that, you know, is congruent about you and your method, so that‟s
good. I mean, any guy who can bench what you can is probably not
gonna be the guy who‟s gonna say “Oh, I‟ll just lay down and take it”.

GUNWITCH: Yeah, that‟s one thing, I‟m not going be having guys
busting my chops or cock blocking me in any way. AMOGing me or
any of that shit. Competition-wise, hey I‟d have to show out what I
am. I mean, I wouldn‟t whip their ass or nothing, but I‟ll be like
“get the fuck outa here”. That‟s what I do in real life, tell „em to get

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fucking lost, so that‟s what I‟ll have to do if they do that to me. I
mean, it‟s kinda, it‟s cock blocking in general, I mean, if I were to go
to the Summit and someone tries to AMOG me while I‟m doing a
pickup, that‟s not something that happens to me, „cause people don‟t
do that shit. Only somebody from the community that knew I
wouldn‟t kick their ass would do it.

FS101: Would want to do it.

GUNWITCH: So you‟re talking it‟s not reality based.

FS101: Yeah, that shouldn‟t be part of it.

GUNWITCH: People shouldn‟t do that shit to each other.

FS101: Exactly, it should be part of the natural environment as much as


possible. Well, we‟ll see how things go with that.

GUNWITCH: Yeah, I‟m really looking forward to getting down to


Texas and stuff. Looking forward to going home and gloating about
letting me know about this. All these people saying “You‟ll never
meet anybody”.

FS101: Yeah, I plan to, when I get a chance here, or maybe when I get
back to Tokyo, write up a post, and the title will probably be
“Gunwitch is real”. I now can validate that I‟ve met you and, you
know, certainly we didn‟t go out PUAing, but, I mean, like you said,
it‟s not dragon slaying. I can definitely how you get laid, it‟s enough
for me to believe. Your method, you know, I‟ve been studying for
many, many years, and am considered one of the advanced guys, and
your method‟s helped me, so…I mean, there are things about it that,
you know, I read and said “That makes sense”. You know, like we
were talking about it, whether or not you ever do, I don‟t care, man, I
mean, things you wrote were helpful to me and obviously helpful to
other guys, you know and so.

GUNWITCH: Like I always say, anyone who doesn‟t believe that I get
laid, doesn‟t get laid themselves. Or they‟d realize it‟s that fucking

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easy. It‟s kinda suspicious to me when people are like “You‟ve never
been laid”, it‟s like, what? Why would you say that, it‟s not that
fucking hard. How do you think it‟s that hard?

FS101: Conversely.

GUNWITCH: Goober.

(Laughter)

FS101: Not naming names…How many people who will wind up


listening who will know all the names and some of the, for example,
the acronyms we use, AMOG is an Alpha Male Other Guy. Well,
you know, promoting your book, we‟re also promoting our site, you
know, people need to some in and learn all these things, the basic
lingo and stuff from the site. Yeah, a lot of learning to be done
there.

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Volume 3

FS101: Going back to your book for a sec, there‟s a, you came up with
something, or heard, and maybe it‟s not real in history, but it‟s a very
interesting, this thing called “The Stalin Trick”.

GUNWITCH: Yeah, yeah, I‟m not sure if it‟s real or not. Some people
say it is some people say it isn‟t, “The Stalin Trick”, which is jerking
off until you almost cum and then not cumming, yeah, I do that
sometimes, you know, twice in the morning or something. It kinda
gets, it keeps me fired up, I noticed I lift more weight when I do it.

FS101: Really…

GUNWITCH: A lot of guys in prison do it.

FS101: Well, that‟s really interesting to me, because obviously I‟m


lifting and, ah, huh

GUNWITCH: I mean, it could take a lot of discipline, a lot of guys try it,
and they just end up jerking off. Yeah, it takes a while.

FS101: You‟re talking about the will power part, you mean.

GUNWITCH: Yeah. I almost never cum outside of a woman. I


mean, I jerk off, but I don‟t cum.

FS101: That‟s what you said in your book. I mean it‟s interesting
„cause it sets up your, again to use this term I‟ve been throwing
around a lot, but the biofeedback mechanism, you‟re body‟s been
telling you “Fuck, you are not accomplishing the prime directive,
mother fucker”.

GUNWITCH: And it gets you out there.

FS101: “I‟m going to give you a little bit more testosterone, you know,
I‟m going to work with you here, go get the shit done. „Cause, uh,
we ain‟t got much more time here.”

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GUNWITCH: Yeah, that totally. I‟m not exactly sure of the
psychology and physiology behind it, but it does seem to do
something for sure.

FS101: So I mean, I think there was a lot of common wisdom on the site,
you know, and people posting, saying, just don‟t masturbate for a
long time and you‟ll have more motivation, but this is interesting that
specifically, you know, you get the frustration added in of, like, you
bring yourself to the brink and then stop, and then , “Fuuuck, man”.

GUNWITCH: Yeah, I mean sometimes…

FS101: Sexual state on hyperdrive

GUNWITCH: Sometimes, I mean, if I go like 3 weeks of doing that or


something, and I get caught u pin my website or something, I mean
I‟ll jerk off. I‟m human. But usually, I mean, I almost never cum
outside of a woman. That‟s, you know, I like to keep that like as my
anchor.

FS101: Oh, yeah, you tell yourself that.

GUNWITCH: That‟s how I cum is inside women, and not

FS101: “I‟m Gunwitch, I cum inside women”

GUNWITCH: Not some fucking, I don‟t cum in a rag.

FS101: You know, that‟s a fucking interesting thing because, you know,
where the internet can help us, like we said we‟ve gained this access
to all these, you know, all this knowledge about how to do well with
women and the things you said are that, but on the other hand, it‟s
given the average guy the access to porn. Like massively. You
never have to walk outside your door to what you think is, you know,
satisfaction. That‟s a real big one.

GUNWITCH: Yeah, I mean I‟ve heard guys say they have, you know, in

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that chat room and stuff, they say they have 25 Gigabytes of porn.
It‟s like Holy Shit!

FS101: Imagine the amount of time, you‟ll never see it all.

GUNWITCH: No!

FS101: I‟ve actually found myself, you know, as much as I‟m able to get
chicks, there were times like, you know, I‟m out in some fucking
place in Taiwan doing a job and, you know, there‟s not a lot of chicks
around or whatever, and I‟ll get on the net and start just hitting one
of those free download things, and I‟ll catch myself, you know, I‟ll
have spent an hour doing some download on some chit, and I‟m like,
“All right, this is stupid”. I could go outside, and no matter how
many chicks aren‟t around, I‟ll find out. But I can just see how that
can be really addictive. It‟s funny, in a way, right now, that should
actually be a motivation to guys to realize that, hey, more and more
there‟s other guys who aren‟t going to be out on the market trying to
get chicks because they‟re doing that.

GUNWITCH: Yeah, yeah.

FS101: It‟s all the more for us.

GUNWITCH: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it is a great motivating factor.


Yeah, I mean, I myself, sometimes will look at porn to get motivated.
But, yeah, it gets addictive, it can become quite dangerous if you‟re
jerking off to it all the time. You end up sitting in your fucking
house eating pizza, you don‟t want to go out picking up chicks.

FS101: That‟s what I was going to say is one, you know, very concrete
that I used to use after having read your method and just realizing
how important being psyched up sexually is. Umm, what we‟re
recording this whole interview on is a Sony Clié. I was probably the
one who introduced this kind of thing to the community because they
were so popular in Japan, it was obviously 2, 3 years back, I‟ve been
using these kind of things, it‟s actually as long as 6 years I‟ve been
using these kind of personal digital assistants.

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GUNWITCH: It pick up everything pretty good?

FS101: Yeah. But one of the cool things about this is you can load jpg‟s
onto it too, so, and little videos, and so, you know, the amount of any
porn I ever looked at, was I‟d have some pictures of, you know, the
chicks that were really hot and would get me fucking horny, and if
I‟m in a club or something, I‟d take a quick look at that, you know,
and boom, yeah, I‟d be that much more on with chicks, and, uh, so
there‟s an example of specifically how, you know, your writings
whether you‟ve ever got laid or not in your life, didn‟t matter, your
writings said something to me that I took and put into application,
and boom, I was getting more success with women.

GUNWITCH: It‟s what something I like, that‟s something I want, is


guys to get fucking laid with it. Yeah. It‟s all, that‟s what it‟s all
about. I want it to be the number one method because people
fucking take it on and are, and say, ok, these 10 guys say they got laid
with it, I‟m going to try it, and then they go try it. I want it to
become like “the entity”. The kind of “the big thing”, not just one of
the 5 or 6 methods out there, not the top 5 or 10 or whatever, I want
it to be like the fucking method. It‟s like, the Lay Reports do it
justice. I always go and try go for more. When you go for teaching
and stuff, you can‟t just…

FS101: You can‟t just be…

GUNWITCH: Complacent.

FS101: This is always a difficult question, but I‟m doing, like, the
interview guy. What of, what single thing out of your method would
you choose and maybe say to guys this is the most important.
Would it be sexual state, would it be persistence, would it be internal
game…

GUNWITCH: Wow, umm, talking like average guy right?

FS101: Sure, average guy.

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GUNWITCH: With one thing, not…Because someone lacking in
everything but that one thing, none of it would work. But yeah, like
average guy, tons of persistence.

FS101: Tons of persistence, very good.

GUNWITCH: Yeah, persistence past the, persistence to go out in the


field and meet women. Persistence when you open a woman, not
ejecting. Persisting and staying in there. Persisting to get her
alone with you. Taking accountability for things. Once you‟re
making out with her, even, if she says “Oh, I don‟t know, I shouldn‟t
be doing this”, persistence there so, “Oh let‟s just keep making out,
we can control ourselves”. Always persistence. I think that‟s the
big thing. Without any kind of an attraction mechanism, a guy will
get laid.

FS101: Yup.

GUNWITCH: But not as often. If a guy is somewhat attractive to her


looks-wise, if he‟s just average to her, persistence will get him to the
lay. If, um, if a guy is, can attract her with, like, sexual state and the
dominance and the congruency and all that, but he may not have the
persistence, she may want to fuck him, but then she doesn‟t end up
fucking him. So, I‟d definitely have to say persistence is the key in
all pickup up.

FS101: No, I like that. It every much jibes with, uh, my findings and
beliefs and put into practice. Umm, I‟d say, maybe we‟ll start
wrapping up the interview, but one thing I wanna do, and maybe it
should have been the first question. I guess I‟d like to simulate, you
know, one thing that, you know, guys are certainly able to get a lot
out of, you know, reading what you‟ve written and stuff, but you‟ve
said you‟ve coached a lot of guys in the field. And, you know, they
get really great results quickly, and I guess that‟s you kind of go over
Gunwitch Method with them verbally. Let‟s pretend right now I‟m
just an average, you know, and we‟re, maybe we‟re in front of a mall
or something. I‟d say, give me Gunwitch Method from your stand

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point, you know, you‟re coaching a guy who‟s knew right now and
you‟re explaining to him. Let‟s go from the top.

GUNWITCH: Okay, is what I would do first, is, and what I do is I take


the guys out in the field and if I was teaching them Gunwitch Method,
like this stuff, like I‟ve never actually taught anybody extensively, I‟ve
only, is what I do is I take a guy and I just have him approach women.
Have him go up to a woman, approach her, and then I‟ll watch him,
see what he does. 9 times out of 10, the eye contact‟s bad, he breaks
eye contact first. Looks down, you know. Horrible right there.
He‟ll be talking super fast, I mean I talk fast right now, I mean. I
even talk fast to women, kinda, „cause that‟s just the way I am. I‟m,
you know, kinda high energy like that, only not jumping around high
energy. I just have a lot of thoughts in my head, but, yeah, a lot of
times they talk way too fast, I mean I slow it down some for chicks.
Some guys are like “hummena”, they get too nervous with it. And
then, a lot of guys stand too far away. And I‟ll watch for these little
things, and, some guys are too touch and feely or they never try to
touch the chick. And a lot of guys don‟t assume rapport, I‟ll listen,
to, of course, and I never really get that deep into it with most guys I
coach in the field, cause they don‟t really understand the concepts
like this. If I was teaching a guy Gunwitch Method in the field, I
would watch him and if he isn‟t assuming rapport, if he‟s sitting there
asking her, ah, “Sooo, what do you do”, I mean it‟s breaking rapport,
you‟re doing, I tell him “No, no, talk about this, that, ask her, fucking
ask her if she watches The Simpsons”, you know, do something, you
know, something fucking you can relay on. And, then, one thing I
catch guys doing in the field is not persisting past the opener. They
open the girl, “Hi, how you doing?” and the girl sits there, “I‟m okay”,
and they stand in the dead spot, they can‟t think of anything to say,
and so they bolt, and they go “Good to meet you” and they take off.
And I tell them, “No, you gotta stick in there, introduce yourself, say
something, even if you can‟t think of anything to say, sit there”. It‟s
better you stand there and be rejected then walk away and reject
yourself.

FS101: Ah, yeah, another good point in your book, I like that. Don‟t
reject yourself.

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GUNWITCH: Yeah, and that‟s pretty much what I do, I stand there
and I watch „em. Usually with guys, uh, that aren‟t into the
community, I‟ll end up correcting their eye contact, their tone of
voice, things like that, and body language things, a lot of them will
stand, they‟re all uptight or something, you know, loosen up, and shit
like that. And if I was teaching a guy in the field, from the website, I
would go over it all. I‟d just watch him, I‟d correct all that stuff first,
basic stuff. Like the SECT from sexual state. You know, speak in
a good tonality, eye contact, closer to her, touch her.

FS101: SECT thing like the acronym?

GUNWITCH: Speak in the right ton and Eye Contact, yeah, and I‟ll
correct all that definitely first. And then I would watch what he‟s
doing verbally with her. And then once he get to a point where he
could get to a small rapport assumed, I would then I would just move
him on to more advanced stuff to like getting his inner game down.
That‟s why I‟m not big on doing any kind of seminars or anything,
that‟s the big thing with attraction phase, you need to get your inner
game down over time. You have to be able to project that
dominance, the masculinity, and you can‟t learn that in a couple
days.

FS101: No, true.

GUNWITCH: It takes months and months of real lifestyle to get that


down, and I would, and at least hours and hours or thinking about it
on your own. Getting your own shit together, and working out and
stuff like that. It‟s a lifestyle. It‟s Dynamic Sex LIFE. That‟s why
I call it, it‟s not Pick Up Chicks With My Technique, it‟s Dynamic Sex
Life. And I would have guys work on that, and uh, if they were
really looking to get laid that night or something, I would have them
work on that, and then assuming the rapport, and the uh, fucking, uh,
you know different verbal topics, I‟d tell „em don‟t talk about this,
don‟t talk about that. Do talk about this. And I would have „em, ah,
do the, ah, you know, then assume the sexual state, have them do
that. And hopefully, they‟d have enough of their inner game down

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and project enough of a character and dominance that the chick
would match them into the state. But the odds of it are kinda low, I
mean, it‟s a process, it‟s not a, it‟s not some technique you do, it‟s a
lifestyle, and…But yeah, basically, I‟d run them through the method
and watch „em and see what they‟re doing.

FS101: So before you send them in to do these things which you‟re


correcting them on, you actually try to get them into sexual state
somehow?

GUNWITCH: No, no, I would just tell them to go up and approach, I


want to see what they do naturally.

FS101: That‟s the first thing?

GUNWITCH: Yeah, „cause I, one guy I coached, he‟s like a construction


worker and shit, actually does carpentry, you know, burly guy kind of
a natural type, but you know, he didn‟t do all that good with women,
so I said I‟ll watch you I‟ll coach you. I had him go in and basically
all he was doing was his eye contact was off, so I corrected that, he
got laid in the next approach. So that‟s the, you know, if I went into
all this shit, he‟d be thinking too much. Yeah, ain‟t broke, don‟t fix
it. You fucking, you correct one thing at a time.

FS101: That‟s what you‟re saying about your wing, he‟s a natural and
you don‟t, even though he‟s got access to one of the best seduction
artists in the world, you don‟t actually push it on him

GUNWITCH: Yeah, I mean, he‟s probably as good as me, and some of


that, I mean, he‟s pretty good looking guy and he‟s built and shit, but,
uh, I mean, he has a good sex life. He does well, so I figure, why try
and fix it. I mean, he‟s not broke. But yeah, that‟s basically what I
do, watch them. That‟s the best method I can think, „cause you
telling a guy one technique to fire at women, they may be doing it
completely wrong. And that‟s not a good thing.

FS101: So guys reading your book, though, maybe what do they need to
know to figure out what‟s wrong themselves?

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GUNWITCH: Basically, the first thing, basically, go do their missions.
I mean, I pulled the numbers totally out of a hat, the 25 approaches
per thing. But it‟s good number, you might 50 approaches, you
might need 100 approaches, you might only need 10, to get that first
relaxation down, get the assuming rapport down, get the persistence
down, go through all that. Of course, get your grooming and shit
like that together, and once you‟ve, uh, once you‟ve on to the
advanced section, which is actually the middle section, ah, it‟s, ah,
you need to go lift some weights, do something, live a lifestyle that‟s
more congruent with masculinity, so you don‟t have to fake it as
much. You can project that right, and it‟ll be real. And then do
that, and maybe you can do that first, I mean I tell people to go
through the missions and do „em, stop reading. You can‟t read
through the whole book and take as much of it as you can in, and
then do the missions in order later, but you can also be doing some
other things, you know, like the lifting the weights, and getting your
uh, not necessarily lifting weights, just doing something athletic.
Doing something high risk, doing something no even really high risk,
I mean go do something. A lot of these guys don‟t do anything.

FS101: I‟m with you on the, and probably one of the best things you can
do is lift weights.

GUNWITCH: Yeah, it‟s excellent.

FS101: That by itself can boost your confidence in a matter of months if


you do it right. Anyways, so not to interrupt, so..

GUNWITCH: Yeah, that, and do the missions. Maybe skip to some of


the advanced stuff, which is the the masculinity, the mindsets, and
the lifting weights or the, uh, doing activities, living the masculine
lifestyle. And you can skip ahead to that and start that up sooner
rather than later and then go back and do your missions like
relaxation is the first one, go through that and think “I need to relax”
I need to, you know, I need to focus not on relaxing, because a lot of
times if you focus on relaxing you won‟t relax, you need to approach
enough women, approach maybe 20, 30 women until you relax and it

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goes on autopilot that you don‟t even think about it, you just, your
body and mind are cool with it. Then you move onto the
assumption of rapport. Only focus on that, the other things are
already on autopilot, forget about it. Move onto the assumption of
rapport, try getting a rapport assumed with the basic verbal stuff,
and uh, get „em, get it to where you feel like you know each other.
And then, until you can, you know, you approach enough women to
where you‟re using that until you can get it to where you can basically
approach a woman and get her to feel like she knows you a little bit
and you know her and it‟s a cool dynamic.

FS101: That‟s what you‟re saying, assumption of rapport, you assume


that she already knows you, you treat her like you treat another
friend.

GUNWITCH: Yeah, exactly, it‟s like, I find with people…

FS101: You say people have had practice with that all their life.

GUNWITCH: Yeah, they know people, yeah. I find that topics can
really help that a lot because, like I was talking about, using stuff like
Simpsons or Seinfeld, TV shows are really popular. It‟s yeah, it‟s
like a shared experience. Like you notice with people in the
community, you get a rapport really fast, „cause you‟re talking about
this stuff, you got a common connection.

FS101: Exactly.

GUNWITCH: I mean, if me and you didn‟t know about this stuff and
didn‟t know that, shit, well we might end up talking about martial
arts and stuff because we both know about that.

FS101: Maybe, but. The level of rapport we have right now is a lot
higher than…

GUNWITCH: Yeah, then if we were just talking.

FS101: Stereotypes would be like, I‟m more the preppy guy and you‟re

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the burly guy…

GUNWITCH: I mean, it‟s the same with chicks, I mean you get a
rapport talking about Simpsons or something, I mean it‟s not going
to be this deep a level of rapport that quick, but there‟s attraction
with it. So that strengthens rapport better than just rapport can.
You‟ll never get a rapport like with someone who has a common
interest at all, but when somebody‟s attracted and you get the
rapport and attraction mix, it makes the rapport feel stronger than it
actually is, because there‟s the attraction there.

FS101: Yes.

GUNWITCH: And, yeah, I mean, basically, you know, tell „em to go


with that, go with verbal understandings and stuff like that, assume
the rapport and just don‟t, you wouldn‟t sit there and ask somebody
questions over and over and over and say, that you know, you don‟t
do that with someone you wanting to feel like they know you. It‟s, a
lot of it‟s based on, a lot of my method completely is based on just
congruence with reality, with the whole reality of things, like I was
talking about I don‟t go in for a kiss on women, lunge in at them.
Because they don‟t usually kiss, like their boyfriends like that.
Usually their boyfriends, they‟re hugged up and then they kiss, so I
get „em to sit down with me, hugged up, just like them and their
boyfriend would be, then you go in for the kiss. It‟s more similar.
It‟s the same when you do the sexual projection and project the
sexual state, it‟s another element there, it‟s familiar. It seems like a
lover. It pigeonholes you in their mind as a lover and you take the
actions that someone is a lover would take.

FS101: Right, yeah, yeah. I do that a lot personally, I mean, I just act
like, I get the image in my mind of my, like, my last girlfriend and I‟m
acting like that the whole way through it…

GUNWITCH: Yeah, it‟s her or something.

FS101: Yeah, exactly. I feel very comfortable in that role with any
woman I‟ve met. I‟m already her boyfriend in my mind. I mean, I

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don‟t want to take it to the level where she actually falls in love with
me, and unfortunately, that‟s been happening a lot lately, but you
know, I‟ll grab her hand and we‟ll walk, and I‟ll put my arm around
her…

GUNWITCH: You can‟t be afraid to do anything a boyfriend would do,


or..

FS101: „Cause that‟s where you‟re going, if you want to get physical with
her.

GUNWITCH: If you‟re not acting at all like a boyfriend, what is there,


except for your looks, basically, to attract her? You have to get in
their head a little bit more, and that‟s what you do is you act like, you
act as if. It‟s the “act as if” principle. State is contagious and all
that shit. It‟s old fucking psychology, but it‟s really there, it works.

FS101: State is contagious. Just like if you laugh, she laughs.

GUNWITCH: Yeah.

FS101: So, yeah, talk a little bit more about some of your advanced stuff,
you know, when you‟re getting to that level.

GUNWITCH: Umm, what the advanced material is, I call it advanced


„cause I didn‟t want to all it intermediate. I wanted to do three
sections, I didn‟t want to go basic, intermediate, because it is an
intermediate, it‟s good material, you know. I just didn‟t want to call
it intermediate. And my mastery section is more just like add-on
stuff. And so, more put the advanced, probably the advanced
section is most important in the whole book because it, ah, full of all
of the, you know, all the attraction mechanisms and it‟s kind of like
the first part of the book is “not fucking it up”, Foundations is just
not fucking things up.

FS101: That‟s where you talk about their appearance and stuff, good
coaching in there, too.

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GUNWITCH: Yeah, thank you.

FS101: Stuff in there that even I learn from.

GUNWITCH: Cool. And, ah, advanced is “Amplifying attraction”,


and moving through logistics better. And then, like, Mastery is just
extra little techniques, you know, things that aren‟t super important,
but they help. They‟ll help you out through, like the loser dancer
thing, I‟ve used that a few times and it totally, I mean it gets women
looking at you „cause you‟re dancing with the hottest chick in the
place.

FS101: Oh, right yeah, yeah, I like that one. That one was really
interesting.

GUNWITCH: Yeah. It‟s like, I‟ll just go up to the girl, I mean, she‟s
the hottest chick in the whole place. Everybody‟s looking at her, I
go up and I‟ll be like, I mean I totally lose my personality, “Oh my
friends over there say that you wouldn‟t dance with me”. Boom, the
chicks all over you, because they get that power rush, “Oh, he‟s such
a loser”, they‟re rubbing all over you. Every chick in the place‟s eye
on you, you start looking around.

FS101: Pure social proof.

GUNWITCH: Yeah, see which eyes are looking. Find them later. To
hell with the main chick, go get something else. Like I say, it‟s the
sex life, not about getting the one chick. Yeah, I want the chick I
want, not the chick that everybody wants. And you know, different
stuff like that‟s in Mastery. Advanced is probably the most
important, „cause that‟ s the thing that gets you beyond your looks or
your money or your standard attraction fodder. It gets you beyond
that and shows you how to get in their head and get a congruence
going with being a lover and how to be more masculine so they
match your state, things like that, and how to persist past duifferent
logistics. Things like that. Very important.

FS101: No, I liked specifically how you came up with that idea called

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loser dance thing. I mean, I found a lot of what I think guys are
gonna have to do is, you can never predict everyone‟s social
economic like, etc, situation, but, you know, everybody‟s got some
situation where there‟s women around them, and there‟s something
you can do beyond just your core game, which you need as well, but
there‟s some, I don‟t know, call it gimmick, whatever, you know, I
mean.

GUNWITCH: Yeah, either niche, or maybe the social, maybe you‟re in


college only guys who really get laid with the really hot chicks are the
guys that are on the wrestling team. You know. It could be any
little thing. Could be the night club you go to, the DJ knows 15, 20
women in there, you might want to befriend that DJ. There‟s
something to be said for common sense and adaptability and that is
something that, like, there was a, I‟ve heard it a few times that the
biggest trait of a pickup artist is intelligence. I wouldn‟t say so, I
would say more adaptability. „Cause then you can adapt to your
surroundings. And you can work yourself into niches or like we‟re
talking about, social circles, different things like that, or the right
social status, or, in certain regions, even, like, I mean, if you were in a
small town in Nebraska or something, a bunch of fucking violent
corn fed guys around, you might not want to be doing AMOG shit.
They might fucking punch you out. Or if you‟re in, ah, some yuppy
puritanical type of, you know, fucking, where would it be, like Rhode
Island or some shit like that, you might not want to come off too, ah,
too like masculine or dominant, „cause it‟s more like a liberal type of
society and the people don‟t like that kind of shit. They want
everybody being totally harmonious and nobody really domineering
things. And, you„ve gotta have a little bit of adaptation. Once
you‟re out in the field more and you have the actual meat of the
methods, a good inner game and stuff, yeah, and you can observe
things easier, „cause you‟re more relaxed, everything‟s turned down
and you can observe things better and then you can adapt easier. If
you know, I mean, it‟s harder to adapt when you don‟t know what the
hell‟s going on. That‟s the first part of adapting.

FS101: This whole, it‟s interesting that you said that adaptation is more
important than intelligence, and I never really specifically thought

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about that, but getting back to the whole thing about having a high
level of testosterone and such, one thing I find is that, you know,
that‟s the male hormone which does a lot of things for you, and one
of those is that, you know, you‟re gonna have to adapt to some tough
situations in your life, you know, and so there‟s another area where
one of the core things of your method is getting that sort of a, you
know, boost of testosterone boost to masculinity will in turn help you,
you know, with the drive, and adaptability to your surroundings, so
you‟ll have the drive to go get involved, maybe in this case it was
going to the night club, and eventually, you know, the testosterone is
rushing through you and adapt and you think, “all right, well, I‟ve
gone up to that hot chick a number of times and it didn‟t work, well
now I‟ve got this idea that I tell her that my friend says you wouldn‟t
want to dance”, and plus you‟ve got the knowledge base where you
know that social proof is an important thing where you know if other
chicks see you with a hot chick, they‟ll give you the attention, in
addition, like that method, you know, some guys wouldn‟t have even
thought of that in the first place because they think she‟s the goal, but
you, in your method, have always said it‟s about, you know, getting
the kind of girl that you like. Well, if that‟s not, you know, if the
hottest chick is usually not necessarily, you know, she‟s the one who
gets the most attention, but she may not be the one you want to fuck.
But you‟re going to use her. Testosterone is like, that‟s what it did
with men, you know, they had to go out on the hunt and figure out,
well, this leaf if bent and, you know, that means that uh, that the prey
came through this way. In the same way, you‟re hunting for
women.

GUNWITCH: Yeah, it‟s instinctual, rather, you‟re reactive rather than,


uh, intellectualizing things. I mean some would say intelligence
comes from, or adaptability comes from intelligence. Not so.
Intelligence, too much intelligence, and analysis can get you thinking
inside and then you start to make shit up in your head that isn‟t even
really going on, when you‟re really fucking fired up and you‟re ready
to go, you‟ve got the instinct and your reactive and you do this shit.
You‟re just making moves. You‟re not fucking thinking about it,
you‟re making the moves.

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FS101: That is a very key thing that you just said. I mean, I personally
do advocate to everyone to study as much as they can about
seduction, I personally like, and use, all the methods as much as
possible, but one thing about yours, you know, it gets to the core of
things and, you know, there have been times in my, call it, career,
where studying more of the intellectual methods has caused me, you
know, slight period of back tracking, you know. Eventually, because
I studied it long enough, it then became useful and there were times I
got laid using it where, you know, maybe it‟s true, I might not have
gotten laid otherwise, but yeah, you‟re talking, what you just said just
now, I‟d encourage listeners to balk up, like, you know, one, two
minutes just to hear that over again. It‟s really good, it‟s just, uh…

GUNWITCH: Yeah, it‟s totally how it is in almost anything. Like with


martial arts, like with a real fight, you know, I mean, you gotta be
making the moves, you can‟t be thinking. It‟s the same with pickup,
kinda like with pickup, you need it internalized with your character
and persona and your masculinity and your dominance, will power,
all this, all in one, and you know as you state of being, in like martial
arts, you need it internalized through repetition in your muscle mass
memory and stuff like that. And then when the shit goes down, you
react, and you make the moves, rather than think about it. It‟s
about the best advice I can give.

FS101: That‟s what you‟re always saying in your book, practice, practice,
practice. Because of the internalization of it.

GUNWITCH: Yeah.

FS101: Well, cool, so I think we‟ve got about roughly got about 2 hours
here, let‟s check the old Sony Clié. Umm, yup, we‟re very close to 2
hours here, so I guess I‟ll give you chance to kinda wrap up for people.
Again, you know, for those who got in late or whatever, you know, we
finally put together something that for years people never thought
would happen.

GUNWITCH: Yeah.

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FS101: Took me flying halfway across the globe to find you, but your
methods are that worthwhile and, you know, we at Fast Seduction
101 realize you definitely made a huge impact and regardless of what
people think, we want keep promoting that and help you out with it,
and so…

GUNWITCH: I appreciate it a lot. Been really cool meeting with you


and everything. I never met anybody from the community. So it‟s
been really cool, I‟ve been excited the last couple of days about it.
Really strange meeting somebody, too.

FS101: Hopefully, this is a stepping stone, I mean, I think you said your
book started to become successful, and you have the financial
wherewithal to meet some more, and obviously that allows you to
continue evolving your own dynamic sex life

GUNWITCH: Yeah, it‟s something to do. Except for Eugene.

FS101: Yeah, this is the most unlikely of all venues I could have
imagined for having a meet with a famous guru.

GUNWITCH: I just went to dennys.com, and hey, and find something


in between.

FS101: Again, it‟s the information itself and not the place.

GUNWITCH: Yeah

FS101: So guys don‟t have to worry about that this was in Eugene,
Oregon, although those who want to someday see the, ah, scenic
Denny‟s on 3652 Glenwood Drive off of I5, sitting her in the parking
lot, you‟ll remember that this is where it all happened. All this
excellent information, which, hopefully…Again, we don‟t know what
format we‟ll ever get this out on, exactly, but I‟m going to use at least
some of this to, write up something which hopefully someday will
appear in a newsletter and maybe we‟ll make this available …Alright
man, well thanks again.

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GUNWITCH: Alright man.

FS101: Best of Luck.

GUNWITCH: Yeah.

FS101: We‟ll close this off here.

GUNWITCH: I‟ll also say, make the „ho say no.

FS101: Make the ho say no, what a perfect way to end! Thanks
Gunwitch. Bye bye.

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