Ukedchat Archive 17 February 2011

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Creativeedu 19:57 what does glog mean? #ukedchat
Nevagonnabslim 19:57 how does the EBacc fit with the government's commitment to Voc
EDand so won't achieve the new 'gold standard' EBacc? #ukedchat
Reteach10 19:57 #reteacher #ukedchat #itjustmightwork #edreform what if teachers

forced the gov policy changes to be pedagogical not ideological?
Nevagonnabslim 19:58 Will the Eng Bacc divide Academic + Vocational Learners or provide
personalised pathways? #ukedchat
RT @colport: It's 8pm. Please join @Nevagonnabslim for #ukedchat

Creativeedu 19:59
"Will Eng Bacc divide Academic + Vocational Learners or provide
personalised pathways"
It's 8pm. Please join @Nevagonnabslim for #ukedchat "Will Eng

colport 19:59
Bacc divide Academic + Vocational Learners or provide personalised
pathways"
It's 8pm. Please join @Nevagonnabslim for #ukedchat "Will Eng

ukedchat 19:59
Bacc divide Academic + Vocational Learners or provide personalised
pathways"
colport 20:01 Can we start by explaining the Eng Bacc for non-2nd'ary colleagues
please? #ukedchat What does the change mean?
#ukedchat for me, my students & daughter EBacc is restrictive to
Hero_project 20:02 options not indicative of academic excellence and undermines voc
courses
Govt have decided that certain subjects make up the EngBacc &
dailydenouement 20:02 schools now being judged against that as well as GCSE results
#ukedchat
@colport #ukedchat and explain for non England UK teachers too
carolinebreyley 20:02
please
#ukedchat it will not provide personalised learning pathways as
sharland 20:02 vocational courses will lose support as schools attempt to remain
relevant
Nevagonnabslim 20:02 Welcome the discussion is Will the EBacc divide learners or provide
personalised pathways #ukedchat
The English Baccalaureate will cover achievement in English,
Nevagonnabslim 20:03 mathematics, sciences, a language and a humanities subject.
#ukedchat
@dailydenouement So, are some subjects valued more than
colport 20:03
others? #ukedchat
colport 20:03 @carolinebreyley Good point :-) #ukedchat
#ukedchat "A big danger is that some disciplines will find
colport 20:04 themselves relegated to the "extra" curriculum elemâ€¦ (cont)
http://deck.ly/~khS23
Nevagonnabslim 20:04 Are these the right subjects? #ukedchat
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Creativeedu 20:04 A*-C qualifications in English, Maths, Science, a Language and either
History or Geography = EBacc #UKEdChat
MattSL 20:04 #ukedchat new school ranking on the proportion of their pupils
achieving A*-C passes in five subject areas specified by ministers
#ukedchat EngBacc = English,Maths,Science,1 Language & 1
dailydenouement 20:04 Humanity. Only History, Geography or Ancient History count as
Humanity
RT @ClaireJoanne35: where do music, RE & drama fit in? #ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:05
<they don't!
jules_u 20:05 RT @alextronic: http://tinyurl.com/68qjd4c Scan a books barcode

and get a fully formatted reference? #UKedchat via @hopkinsdavid
@ClaireJoanne35 they dont ! is that the right thing to do?
Nevagonnabslim 20:05
#ukedchat
dailydenouement 20:05 Exactly. Two tier subjects. RT @colport: @dailydenouement So, are
some subjects valued more than others? #ukedchat
Nevagonnabslim 20:05 Why these subjects and not others? #ukedchat
dailydenouement 20:05 #ukedchat Other non-Bacc subjects will suffer as schools push
pupils into Bacc subjects for league table purposes.
ClaireJoanne35 20:05 where do music, RE & drama fit in? #ukedchat
colport 20:06 @MattSL @CreativeEdu @Nevagonnabslim What agenda are the

gvt pushing this through for? #ukedchat
ianpocock 20:06 @colport does this automatically mean a return to the two-tier
education system academic v vocational? #ukedchat
ICT is not part of the EBacc. Can this be right in this day and age?
#ukedchat
dailydenouement 20:06
Limiting for progression through to A Level very worrying #ukedchat
#ukedchat &dailydenouement please don't forget the highly

Hero_project 20:06
relevant classical Hebrew , commonly opted for on the sunny
shores of Blackpool!
Cn ustand why non Eng UK tchrs mt not know what ebacc is bt
philallman1 20:06 concerned prim tchrs in Eng are oblivious 2 have 2 have it explained
#ukedchat
MattSL 20:06 #ukedchat EBacc creates a random subject hierarchy. No evidence

to show chosen subjects are more broadly beneficial than others
RT @MattSL: #ukedchat talking 2 worried yr 8 who wants to be

engineer but sch now has 7 mandatory GCSEs & he won't b able 2
select all the ones he needs
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#ukedchat talking 2 worried yr 8 who wants to be engineer but sch
MattSL 20:07 now has 7 mandatory GCSEs & he won't b able 2 select all the ones
he needs
BAFDiploma 20:07 #ukedchat How many option choice do students have in your
schools for GCSE. In mine it is 4 blocks.
Nevagonnabslim 20:07 Should primary school teachers not be more aware of the EBacc? Its
what they are sending kids to #ukedchat
dailydenouement 20:07 It's awful. RT @Nevagonnabslim: ICT is not part of the EBacc. Can
this be right in this day and age? #ukedchat
@ianpocock I admit I am knew to this subject, but it does sound like
colport 20:07
it! #ukedchat
mosquitomax 20:07 RT @Nevagonnabslim: ICT is not part of the EBacc. Can this be right
in this day and age? #ukedchat >> every job needs it!!!
Creativeedu 20:07 positive - extending the focus beyond english and maths. negative -
not extending it far enough? #UKEdChat
Dunfordjames 20:08 #ukedchat choice will be more guided for most, depending on
school attainment and targets. Forces Lang. And hums onto agenda
colport 20:08 @Nevagonnabslim I do wonder whether this is the start of a change

of primary curriculum. It sounds *VERY* narrow #ukedchat
Nevagonnabslim 20:08 with obsesity rising is it right that PE teachers are being fired in
favour of subjects that meet the EBacc? #ukedchat
ClaireJoanne35 20:08
@Nevagonnabslim doesn't seem right. does it? #ukedchat
doc_gnome 20:09 @MattSL agree, this is the trouble with Eng Bacc - too restrictive.
Pushes pupils into subjects rather than need/desire. #ukedchat
RT @CyberSafeFamily: and what is the answer? ;) RT @svenhall: To
GlogsterEDU 20:09 Glog or to Blog that is the question???? #ukedchat #edchat
#edtech
presumably it will mean a rise in language learning? is that a good
Creativeedu 20:09
thing? #UKEdChat
@colport @MattSL being iconoclastic about it - is it a bad thing?
ianpocock 20:09 Should everyone study same subjects or does that miss talent?
#ukedchat
colport 20:09
Anyone within this #ukedchat forum support the plans? If so, why?
Easy on the primary teachers - many secondary teachers are still
TeacherTalks 20:10
working this one out #UKEdChat
doc_gnome 20:10 @BAFDiploma once the Eng Bacc subjects are taken into account
ours only really have one to choose from! #ukedchat
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Iris_Connect 20:10 RT @Nevagonnabslim: ICT is not part of the EBacc. Can this be right
in this day and age? #ukedchat <--- surely not, ridiculous really
colport 20:10 @ianpocock @MattSL We all have specialisms in different areas.

These plans sound like narrowing the curriculum #ukedchat
dailydenouement 20:10 No! *Stamps Feet* And no again! RT @colport: Anyone within this
#ukedchat forum support the plans? If so, why?
Creativeedu 20:10 How similar is the EBacc to IB? I was at uni with a lot of IB grads
who were far more well rounded than me. #UKEdChat
Is it right for goverment to decide what subjects a student must
take? #ukedchat
@CreativeEdu languages for as long as possible can never be a bad
ianpocock 20:10 thing. Rest of Europe seem to keep learning them all way through
#ukedchat
Correct me if I'm wrong, but but what is the purpose of the EBacc?
tonycassidy 20:10
#ukedchat
I've just returned from Yr 9 Options eve - very few parents
DuncanTigerHero 20:10 mentioned EBacc. They still choose subjects on what interests
them. #ukedchat
RT @CreativeEdu RT @ClaireJoanne35: where do music, RE &
Reteach10 20:10 drama fit in? #ukedchat <they don't! <something fundamentally
wrong with that idea
Nevagonnabslim 20:10 RT @Creativeedu: presumably it will mean a rise in language

learning? is that a good thing? #UKEdChat #ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:11 @ianpocock maybe but I wish I'd spent my time learning HTML or
.NET instead of French would have served me better...#UKEdChat
#ukedchat Assuming Maths, Eng + Sci and 4 other choices, if1 is
BAFDiploma 20:11 Geog/Hist and another MFL. Pupils still have 2 choices. Is this a
narrowing?
familysimpson 20:11 #ukedchat so is this >similar< to scottish ed. idea of 5 subjects

(depth) vs 8 (breadth) that is current hot debate?
@Nevagonnabslim No, my son has chosen PE as part of his EBacc
GillDeCosemo 20:11
#ukedchat
#ukedchat @BAFDiploma 4 blocks at our sch only 2 measly choices
Hero_project 20:11 at my daughters needs creative curriculum many going for lazy
timetabling
ClaireJoanne35 20:11 my daughter was quite flexible & so happy to be chosen for eBacc
at her school but I agree it is restrictive #ukedchat
#ukedchat are schools killing creativity? With EBacc they are!
Smichael920 20:12
@SirKenRobinson
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RT @Dunfordjames: #ukedchat it is mystifying, but look at it this
way... Gove is trying to recreate his education for all, regardless of
need or ambition
@IRIS_Connect my daughter is doing eBacc but will still study ICT
#ukedchat
DuncanTigerHero 20:12 @Nevagonnabslim I think ICT should be integrated into all subjects -
in a perfect world. #ukedchat
Dunfordjames 20:12 #ukedchat it is mystifying, but look at it this way... Gove is trying to
recreate his education for all, regardless of need or ambition
Nevagonnabslim 20:12 Government believes schools should offer pupils broad range of
academic subjects & the EBacc promotes that #ukedchat
@Creativeedu would argue it decreases breadth rather than
doc_gnome 20:12 increasing it. Forces pupils into a narrow band of 'approved'
subjects. #ukedchat
dailydenouement 20:12 RT @TeacherTalks: Ironic that a Govt which supposedly believes in

freedom is so prescriptive about what children learn #UKEdChat
Grevster73 20:12 I think it will have a detrimental effect on science uptake -

restricting choice of triple & double awards #ukedchat
TeacherTalks 20:12 Ironic that a Govt which supposedly believes in freedom is so

prescriptive about what children learn #UKEdChat
@familysimpson Excellent, in that this discussion is also relevant for
colport 20:12
Scottish colleague? #ukedchat
ianpocock 20:12
How much choice do you get with the EBacc? #ukedchat
dailydenouement 20:12 RT @tonycassidy: Speaking as a geographer, I don't want students

to be directed into my subject... #ukechat #ukedchat
@philallman1 yes, eBacc is too restrictive #ukedchat
mosquitomax 20:13 At my school the perception was that the choices had become
limited due to the "constraint" of the EBacc #ukedchat
bucharesttutor 20:13 I have 16 IB students and 5 GCSE students, clearly I feel that the IB
S's have more options to choose #ukedchat
familysimpson 20:13 @colport well i'm not sure but it sounds similar! parents voting with
feet when it restricts their child's options after school. #ukedchat
philallman1 20:13 RT @TeacherTalks: Ironic that a Govt which supposedly believes in

freedom is so prescriptive about what children learn #UKEdChat
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dailydenouement 20:13 RT @Smichael920: #ukedchat are schools killing creativity? With
EBacc they are! @SirKenRobinson
tonycassidy 20:13 The bigger issue from my perspective is that we already have an
unfair curriculum hierarchy #ukedchat
@Nevagonnabslim No, and I would encourage parents, students to
theokk 20:13
resist pressures #ukedchat
RT @colport: @ianpocock @MattSL We all have specialisms in
MattSL 20:13 different areas. These plans sound like narrowing the curriculum
#ukedchat
Nevagonnabslim 20:13 so is that broad ? #ukedchat
bucharesttutor 20:14 What is Ebacc? #ukedchat
@CreativeEdu will encourage more students to choose a language
to study? #ukedchat
@theokk but theres been nothing much in the press why?
#ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:14 RT @bucharesttutor: I have 16 IB students and 5 GCSE students,

clearly I feel that the IB S's have more options to choose #ukedchat
Smichael920 20:14 @colport I think many primaries have moved too far & wouldn't
want to limit learning opportunities for pupils #ukedchat
pupils selecting a less desired subject to fit in with the eBacc
mosquitomax 20:14
#ukedchat
@colport #ukedchat EBacc = end of personalisation (whatever that

mattbuxton10 20:14
was?). Strange though as history teach whos seen subject eroded
over years!
@chickensaltash RT Reflections on the SSAT National Conference

TParks 20:14
#nc10 #ukedchat #edchat http://bit.ly/flnLBo //Your collation
makes me happy!
Creativeedu 20:14
p.s. don't lynch me.... just playing devil's advocate ;-) #UKEdChat
RT @mosquitomax At my school the perception was that the
Reteach10 20:14 choices had become limited due to the "constraint" of the EBacc
#ukedchat same!
@familysimpson Ah, but is he hankering to the call from the middle
colport 20:14
classes? #ukedchat
@Nevagonnabslim @creativeedu but do we want to force pupils to
doc_gnome 20:14 take a language when it might not be appropriate for them?
#ukedchat
CHALLENGE.... think of one positive point about the EBacc... I dare
Creativeedu 20:14
you! #UKEdChat
BAFDiploma 20:14
@doc_gnome that is a narrowing in my opinion #ukedchat
tonycassidy 20:14 Why take Geography (1 GCSE) when you can take another subject in
the same time for the equivalent of four #ukedchat
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RT @mosquitomax: At my school the perception was that the
Grevster73 20:14 choices had become limited due to the "constraint" of the EBacc
#ukedchat
Nevagonnabslim 20:14 What about Voc Ed in this? Are we back to two tier schools and
segregation? Clever and stupid kids? #ukedchat
@TeacherTalks #ukedchat i don't think this government actually
familysimpson 20:14
believes in anything
colport 20:15 @mattbuxton10 So, is that a positive then? Would history be

resurrected to a higher status (rightly or wrongly)? #ukedchat
RT @familysimpson @TeacherTalks #ukedchat i don't think this
TeacherTalks 20:15 government actually believes in anything >>they do, but nothing
palatable!
Nevagonnabslim 20:15 @doc_gnome The goverment does even if it is latin which they see
more important than ICT? #ukedchat
RT @tonycassidy: Correct me if I'm wrong, but but what is the
itsmotherswork 20:16 purpose of the EBacc? #ukedchat <To make schools look bad
against new measure
tonycassidy 20:16 I'd welcome equivalent qualifications, each having equal worth,
with a free students choice #ukedchat
@Smichael920 But if curriculum review comes out with a tighter
colport 20:16 prescriptive curriculum, then primaries will have no option
#ukedchat
MattSL 20:16 @Creativeedu (challenge accepted) It's easier to compare schools if

they deliver broadly the same subjects #UKEdChat
Iris_Connect 20:16 RT @Creativeedu: CHALLENGE.... think of one positive point about

the EBacc... I dare you! #UKEdChat
ClaireJoanne35 20:16 @bucharesttutor English Baccalaureate - Eng, Maths, Science, a

language & Geog or History #ukedchat
@theokk @nevagonnabslim I agree it isn't but schools will push
doc_gnome 20:16 pupils where they want them to go subject wise. Hard to resist.
#ukedchat
Son3 just chosen options for EBacc. I like fact that he has to do a
GillDeCosemo 20:16 language. He's also chosen geog, hist, PE & DT. Good breadth?
#ukedchat
familysimpson 20:16 #ukedchat EBacc article "GOVERNMENT COMES UNDER FIRE FOR
EBACC SUBJECT CHOICE" http://is.gd/LWdNRX
@GillDeCosemo Would he have made those choices without #Ebacc
BAFDiploma 20:17
?#ukedchat
RT @itsmotherswork: RT @tonycassidy: Correct me if I'm wrong,

Grevster73 20:17
but but what is the purpose of the EBacc? #ukedchat <so that govt
can later claim improvement
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tonycassidy 20:17 Does anyone have an Ebacc? #ukedchat
ukedchat 20:17 @bucharesttutor Please remember #
Totallywired77 20:17 RT @tonycassidy: I'd welcome equivalent qualifications, each

having equal worth, with a free students choice #ukedchat
itsmotherswork 20:17 purpose of the EBacc? #ukedchat <so that govt can later claim
improvement
@MattSL Private schools fall down the league tables with the EBacc
why? #ukedchat
@IRIS_Connect peripheral at the moment but should be embedded
#ukedchat
familysimpson 20:17 @colport what call? i can't think of a parent who would want to
restrict what their child experiences at school! #ukedchat
bucharesttutor 20:17 Personally see that IB S's have subjects like art, PE, humanities to
name a few new ones $ ukedchat
Remember that the Coalition EdBill is based on ideology not
Grevster73 20:17
evidence #ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:17 I finished school 10 yrs ago and even then HAD to do a lang, a
humanity, eng, maths and 3 sciences #UKEdChat
@familysimpson I think of the middle classes who worry about their
colport 20:18 child achieving in SATs, getting into grammar schools, etc.
#ukedchat
bucharesttutor 20:18 @ClaireJoanne35 thanks, surely EBacc is not covering all the main
subjects for the S's to Excel in life #ukedchat
RT @itsmotherswork: RT @tonycassidy: Correct me if I'm wrong,

TeacherTalks 20:18
but but what is the purpose of the EBacc? #ukedchat <so that govt
can later claim improvement
@GillDeCosemo out of interest which languages were offered?
familysimpson 20:18
#ukedchat
TeacherTalks 20:18 RT @tonycassidy: I'd welcome equivalent qualifications, each

Creativeedu 20:18 @MattSL is that a good thing? Depends on what you consider are
the important outcomes re last week's #UKEdChat
@Nevagonnabslim You could make an argument that says they
ianpocock 20:18 some will not have been so successful without the option?
#ukedchat
@Nevagonnabslim You could make an argument that says they
ianpocock 20:18 some will not have been so successful without the option?
#ukedchat
#ukedchat many orgs have worked to improve status of vocational
MattSL 20:18 qualifications & jobs. EBacc will put academia firmly in higher status
again
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RT @TeacherTalks @tonycassidy: I'd welcome equivalent
familysimpson 20:19
qualifications, each having equal worth, with a free students choice
#ukedchat <YES
#Ukedchat interesting to see how many schools have adopted a
Totallywired77 20:19 knee jerk reaction to EBac - have you seen the amount of MFL jobs
in the TES?
@Smichael920 I totally agree, and see the evidence everyday!
colport 20:19 #ukedchat Would academies be forced to follow new curriculum
though?
@tonycassidy I have the equivalent GCSEs yes. My school made me
Creativeedu 20:19
take them! #UKEdChat
Nevagonnabslim 20:19 Headteachers say the EBacc will lead to more exclusions and bad
behaviour. Do you believe this? #ukedchat
#ukedchat EBacc is not rounded but trad perhaps this removes the
Hero_project 20:19 need for BSF we can all stick to 50s classrooms to match the
curriculum
ianpocock 20:19 RT @tonycassidy: I'd welcome equivalent qualifications, each

20 minutes into the #ukedchat discussion on the EBACC & Scottish
ukedchat 20:20
equivalent proposals.
@colport different world up here in northern britain. No SATs.

familysimpson 20:20
Perhaps this is a bad thing though - no motivator at end of primary
#ukedchat
@stigofthedump69 lol - using the laptop, only way to watch
mosquitomax 20:20
#ukedchat on a thurs :-)
GillDeCosemo 20:20 @BAFDiploma He wouldn't have chosen French. I like that he has to
do a Lang. He'd have chosen the rest though. #ukedchat
RT @briankotts: RT @timeshighered: What a mess. The catastrophe

davokim 20:20
that is UK higher education grows worse by the day.
http://bit.ly/h3jAcq #edchat #ukedchat
jackieschneider 20:20 #ukedchat schools should be brave & offer what they think is best.
Forget league tables - build relationships with parents
@CyberSafeFamily Glogs lend to creatively but fail to show a page

svenhall 20:20
of inputs re: running commentary on learning #ukedchat #edchat
#edtech
RT @CreativeEdu I finished school 10 yrs ago and even then HAD to
Reteach10 20:20 do a lang, a humanity, eng, maths and 3 sciences #UKEdChat me
too!!
Shaf_Hansraj 20:20 #ukedchat to push any education message you need passion and
enthusiasm. How is this possible if students forced into pathways
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ianpocock 20:20 @MattSL but perhaps the job of schools, teachers an policy makers
to make a better case for why it isn't better or worse? #ukedchat
@Nevagonnabslim yes, students being restricted in their choices
tonycassidy 20:20
#ukedchat
@bucharesttutor definitely seems to have some important
subjects missing! #ukedchat
CliveBuckley 20:20 The Best Web 2.0 Applications For Education â€” 2010 Interesting
list! http://bit.ly/cjuWbc @Larryferlazzo #elearning #ukedchat
RT @CliveBuckley: The Best Web 2.0 Applications For Education â€”

ZentekICT 20:21
2010 Interesting list! http://bit.ly/cjuWbc @Larryferlazzo
#elearning #ukedchat
#ukedchat Advantage of EBacc not including ICT: no need to buy
familysimpson 20:21
technology = big savings.
Grevster73 20:21
another social experiment on our children... EBacc #ukedchat
@familysimpson Became too much of a political football south of
colport 20:21
the border! #ukedchat
bucharesttutor 20:21 Personally even in Math, which I teach I see S's in IB are given 3
levels to choose while in GCSE, they are given 2 levels #ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:21
@Reteach10 I was also forbidden from doing art ;-( #UKEdChat
BAFDiploma 20:21 #ukedchat Cards on the table, I believe the #Ebacc to be ill-
conceived and an unnecessary measure.
@colport @philallman1 interesting times ahead that's for sure!
Smichael920 20:21
#ukedchat
Grevster73 20:21 @Totallywired77 it's because the benchmark has changed and they
want to play the game - it's the gvnmt that pays the bills #ukedchat
would you be happy for EBacc schools and VocEd schools?
#ukedchat
is it right for the goverment to choose subjects? #ukedchat
Why is RE not a Humanity for EBacc? #ukedchat We wrote to Gove:
dailydenouement 20:22 unfairly favours faith schools. But EBacc unfairly favours other
subjects
colport 20:22 GGGGGGGGGGGRRRRRRRRRRRRRR, why can't politicians just leave

education alone, and trust the educators? #ukedchat
RT @familysimpson: #ukedchat Advantage of EBacc not including

Grevster73 20:22
ICT: no need to buy technology = big savingsâ€¦ (cont)
http://deck.ly/~R0RDE
#ukedchat a rounded education of all subjects at KS3 to enable
Shaf_Hansraj 20:22
choice later on in KS4
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doc_gnome 20:22 @Nevagonnabslim @MattSL even independent schools feeling the
pressure of the Eng Bacc. Parents look at league tables. #ukedchat
BAFDiploma 20:22 #ukedchat Ultimate conclusion is schools jsut offer Ebacc subjects
and devote more curriculum time. It is just another system to play.
@familysimpson those slide rules go for a lot on eBay these days!
mosquitomax 20:22
#ukedchat
Nevagonnabslim 20:22 RT @familysimpson: #ukedchat Advantage of EBacc not including

ICT: no need to buy technology = big savings.
kiarakiara 20:23 RT @CreativeEdu: I finished school 10 yrs ago and even then HAD to
do a lang, a humanity, eng, maths and 3 sciences #UKEdChat"
@CreativeEdu #ukedchat History + 'Information Age' = kids who can
mattbuxton10 20:23 find information, sort it, analyse it, form opinions, create
arguments???
@Grevster73 true, but I know many schools/academies that are are

Totallywired77 20:23
not going down EBac route as it's not in their students interest
#Ukedchat
ICTEvangelist 20:23 @Nevagonnabslim good question! #ukedchat
Nevagonnabslim 20:23 will primary schools change their curriculum timetable to ensure
students meet engbacc subjects #ukedchat
RT @schofielde: @colport #ukedchat means targets have now

colport 20:23
changed and gov look at English,maths and sciencâ€¦ (cont)
http://deck.ly/~10Xbd
BAFDiploma 20:23 @Nevagonnabslim @familysimpson Yes but those chisels and stone
tablets are still expensive! #ukedchat #flippantcomment
RT @Shaf_Hansraj: #ukedchat a rounded education of all subjects at
Grevster73 20:23 KS3 to enable choice later on in KS4 < but KS3 has been eroded to 2
yrs!
ColinGoffin 20:23 Curriculum should be driven by what is appropriate for students and
nothing else. This cannot be decided centrally. #ukedchat
@ClaireJoanne35 yes personally speaking IB gives more flexibility to
bucharesttutor 20:23 students. After all, "all work n play makes Jack a dull boy"
#ukedchat
RT @Nevagonnabslim: would you be happy for EBacc schools and
ICTEvangelist 20:23
VocEd schools? #ukedchat
@familysimpson surely will disadvantage students when trying to
find work #ukedchat
@miconm I don't believe we do, new qualifications have been

tonycassidy 20:23
devised to meet the criteria of the league tables, not students
#ukedchat
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Reteach10 20:23 #UKEdChat ebacc concerns solved if not as prescriptive but instead
suggestive of an approach to structuring gcse choice?
Creativeedu 20:23 ICT not included in EBacc surely just because Gove went to school
before ICT as a subject existed??? #UKEdChat
RT @Nevagonnabslim: would you be happy for EBacc schools and

ianpocock 20:23
VocEd schools? #ukedchat < would that just be neâ€¦ (cont)
http://deck.ly/~IYzE4
#ukedchat have multiple pathways tailored for the individual
Shaf_Hansraj 20:23
student directed by their choice
RT @tonycassidy: @miconm I don't believe we do, new

qualifications have been devised to meet the criteria of the league
tables, not students #ukedchat
@mosquitomax #ukedchat damn i recently sold off the 60s
familysimpson 20:24 mechanical calculators we found in a cupboard. would be worth
more now...
@iamsallymoore sorry no excuse. How cn we criticise sec bods for
philallman1 20:24 nt ustanding ks2 debate if we don't engage in end point too
#ukedchat
#ukedchat @Totallywired77 But they are going to be measured
dailydenouement 20:24 against it - feel inevitable that most will starâ€¦ (cont)
http://deck.ly/~xFFP9
bucharesttutor 20:24 @CreativeEdu well this is indeed sad but at least in GCSE they have
ICT and ITGS in IB curriculum #ukedchat
@Totallywired77 will that continue when they fall down in the
league tables #ukedchat
@Nevagonnabslim It depends on the outcome of the primary
colport 20:24
review, i suppose #ukedchat
@familysimpson knew there was an ulterior motive from Gov!
Smichael920 20:24
#ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:24
What's the difference between EBacc and IB? #UKEdChat
GillDeCosemo 20:24
@familysimpson only French & German at his school. #ukedchat
ianpocock 20:24
@ColinGoffin interesting - how do you best establish it? #ukedchat
@colport i don't doubt it! EBacc = giant inflatable political beach
familysimpson 20:24
ball of 21C education? #ukedchat
@tonycassidy hmm. Then it is unfair on students being entered for
miconm 20:24
them, isn't it? #ukedchat
@GillDeCosemo for how long ? its only the first year #ukedchat
#ukedchat realisation of aspiration comes from knowing how to &
Hero_project 20:25 being able to make informed choices, through experience &
inspiration
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BAFDiploma 20:25 @colport Because everyone is an expert on education as they went
to school once? #ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:25 @mattbuxton10 I agree actually History GCSE was a very useful
subject. I used what I learnt more than English or Maths #UKEdChat
Son's school do not make students do EBacc, it's a choice.
GillDeCosemo 20:25
#ukedchat
@familysimpson @colport can I have that globe for geography?
tonycassidy 20:25
#ukedchat
Dead right! RT @colport: GGGGGGGGGGGRRRRRRRRRRRRRR, why

Smichael920 20:25
can't politicians just leave education alone, and trust the educators?
#ukedchat
Shaf_Hansraj 20:25 #ukedchat to quote a colleague "schools need to stop being results
whores" not about league tables but about learning and aspiration
AdiNotNow 20:25 @colport because its a dark art to most of the general public and
politicians need to be seen to be in control #ukedchat
colport 20:26 @BAFDiploma @AdiNotNow Very frustrating. Even though most

politicians had a privileged private education!!! #ukedchat
@Nevagonnabslim a bit like grammar schools & comprehensives!!
Smichael920 20:26
#ukedchat
RT@ColinGoffin have wondered about whether a policy for say 5
Nevagonnabslim 20:26 core subjects supplemented by locally relevant subjects would work
#ukedchat
Grevster73 20:26 @Totallywired77 will they change their position when this is the
main measure? I'd like to think schools will resist. #ukedchat
RT @ColinGoffin: Curriculum should be driven by what is
Totallywired77 20:26 appropriate for students and nothing else. This cannot be decided
centrally. #ukedchat
So Latin more important than Business or ICT or PE ? #ukedchat
@ianpocock By knowing your children, their needs and aspirations.
ColinGoffin 20:26 Will mean variation within and between schools but is essential
#ukedchat
RT @Shaf_Hansraj: #ukedchat to quote a colleague "schools need

Creativeedu 20:26
to stop being results whores" not about league tables but about
learning and aspiration
@colport That and the fact we are seen as being in a cushy job on
AdiNotNow 20:26
high pay. #ukedchat
@colport #ukedchat Not really (although as a History NQT I'd have
mattbuxton10 20:26 said different!). No subject is for everyone, not even Maths or
English!!
My laptop being v slow tonight so might have to duck out & catch
up with archive later. #ukedchat
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@ColinGoffin have wondered about whether a policy for say 5 core
ianpocock 20:26 subjects supplemented by locally relevant subjects would work
#ukedchat
are schools dropping lots of voc subjects to make room in the
Creativeedu 20:27
timetable for EBacc? #UKEdChat
BAFDiploma 20:27 @Grevster73 @Totallywired77 #ukedchat Relieved that my school

is. They recognise that breadth and choices is very important.
Nevagonnabslim 20:27 @bucharesttutor you will add them? #ukedchat
@ClaireJoanne35 #ukedchat undoubtedly (sorry, cynical hat on - i'm
familysimpson 20:27
a computing teacher!)
MattSL 20:27 @doc_gnome @nevagonnabslim Ind schs issue is just technical I

think. Govt left out Edexcel as not accredited by Ofqual #ukedchat
tonycassidy 20:27 I think it's more important at 14 that students have a passion for
learning in subjects they have interest in #ukedchat
mosquitomax 20:27 All subjects are important. Blooms Tax shows the order of thinking,
which can be applied to all subjects #ukedchat do what u love
RT @Smichael920: @Nevagonnabslim a bit like grammar schools &
comprehensives!! #ukedchat
bucharesttutor 20:27 Personally speaking now that I know EBacc, I will add some subjects
like Art, History, PE, Drama etc. to make it more robust #ukedchat
@Grevster73 #ukedchat we've just solved the deficit for them....
familysimpson 20:27
oops.
@Grevster73 #ukedchat we've just solved the deficit for them....
familysimpson 20:27
oops.
So true RT @colport: GGGGGGGGGGGRRRRRRRRRRRRRR, why can't

doc_gnome 20:27
politicians just leave education alone, and trust the educators?
#ukedchat
So true RT @colport: GGGGGGGGGGGRRRRRRRRRRRRRR, why can't

doc_gnome 20:27
politicians just leave education alone, and trust the educators?
#ukedchat
@ColinGoffin: Curriculum should be driven by what is appropriate
Nevagonnabslim 20:27 for students and nothing else. This cannot be decided centrally.
#ukedchat
Have many secondary colleagues had staff meetings about these
colport 20:28 proposed(?) changes? #ukedchat Has the vibe been totally
negative?
Smichael920 20:28
@tonycassidy agree. Its about what's easy to measure #ukedchat
Nevagonnabslim 20:28 what about the self esteem of students? how will they feel if not
included in EBacc group? #ukedchat
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@Nevagonnabslim and if they continue to be rated good by Ofsted
Totallywired77 20:28 then surely the league table won't matter??? Just a thought!
#Ukedchat
@Nevagonnabslim That is very true! Though they are very keen on
GillDeCosemo 20:28 vocational subjects & Bridge so hopefully will keep these!
#ukedchat
@ianpocock Subjects as a starting point is too narrow. Ways of
ColinGoffin 20:28 learning and access to skills and attributes goes beyond subject
#ukedchat
Grevster73 20:28 RT @familysimpson: @Grevster73 #ukedchat we've just solved the

deficit for them.... oops. < ssshhhh!
The retrospective league tables of EBacc strike me as unfair -
Creativeedu 20:28 schools being judged on something they couldn't prepare for?
#UKEdChat
RT @BAFDiploma @Nevagonnabslim @familysimpson Yes but those

familysimpson 20:28
chisels and stone tablets are still expensive! #ukedchat
#flippantcomment #hoho
Reteach10 20:28 @doc_gnome imagine what education would be like if pedagogical

rather than ideological #ukedchat
Do we need 2 have the tradl separate subjects? Maths with Art /
tj007 20:29 Maths with History / English with History / English with RE etc.
#ukedchat
familysimpson 20:29 @Smichael920 #ukedchat they hid it so well.
@familysimpson I'm all for computing - I'm an ICT Manager in a
primary school! #ukedchat
RT @theokk: Arguing one subject more important than another

aangeli 20:29
becomes pointless & divisive distracts from real debate about
education & learning #ukedchat
Nevagonnabslim 20:29 @colport silence #ukedchat
@CreativeEdu it just makes them look like progress has been made
tonycassidy 20:29
later #ukedchat
@GillDeCosemo #ukedchat so is that an increase? sounds like push
familysimpson 20:29 for pupils to take language is half-hearted. no spanish? italian?
chinese?!
RT @tonycassidy I think it's more important at 14 that students
Reteach10 20:29 have a passion for learning in subjects they have interest in
#ukedchat
@colport @AdiNotNow Yes, just a shame they are not making use
BAFDiploma 20:29 of it. No idea of how to apply their extensive knowledge of facts!
#ukedchat
RT @Creativeedu: The retrospective league tables of EBacc strike

TeacherTalks 20:29
me as unfair - schools being judged on something they couldn't
prepare for? #UKEdChat
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ColinGoffin 20:29 Subjects as a starting point is too narrow. Ways of learning and
access to skills and attributes goes beyond subject #ukedchat
andyhutt 20:29 RT @Reteach10: @doc_gnome imagine what education would be

like if pedagogical rather than ideological #ukedchat
@ColinGoffin wonder if by doing that you can maintain and develop
ianpocock 20:29 local skills to help build more sustainable local communities?
#ukedchat
@Totallywired77 can they be rated if good if do not meet EBacc
though ? #ukedchat
If we added more subjects to EBacc to make it more balanced
Creativeedu 20:29 woudln't we actually just be being even more restrictive?
#UKEdChat
MattSL 20:29 #ukedchat it seems differentiation, personalisation & student

centred learning means nothing to this DfE
Arguing one subject more important than another becomes

theokk 20:29
pointless & divisive distracts from real debate about education &
learning #ukedchat
bucharesttutor 20:29 @Nevagonnabslim Latin is for linguistic S's, surely History n PE could
serve good armour #ukedchat

to stop being results whores" not about league tables but about
learning and aspiration
MattSL 20:30 @Creativeedu some are (will be). Esp those most concerned with
league tables, such as those with notice to improve #UKEdChat
does anyone have research that says enjoying learning for its own
ianpocock 20:30 sake brings better outcomes that focusing on core subjects?
#ukedchat
RT @briankotts What a mess. The catastrophe that is UK higher ed.

engelskan 20:30
grows worse by the day. http://bit.ly/h3jAcq /via timeshighered
#ukedchat
TeacherTalks 20:30 RT @dailydenouement: Seeing yourself slide down a retrospectively

measured league table is great for staff morale. *sigh* #ukedchat
#ukedchat also very glad I work in progressive school who values it's
Hero_project 20:30 students choices I will continue to champion excellence in
vocational
@dailydenouement which of the stakeholders see the league tables

as being key piece of info? What about parent views, Ofsted, CVA?
#Ukedchat
BAFDiploma 20:30
@CreativeEdu Pleased to say we are not #ukedchat
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dailydenouement 20:30 Seeing yourself slide down a retrospectively measured league table
is great for staff morale. *sigh* #ukedchat
Agree! RT: All subjects r important. Blooms Tax shows order of

mushychelle 20:30
thinking, can be applied 2 all subjects #ukedchat do what u love
@mosquitomax
does making a student take a lanuage actually make them
interested in it though? #ukedchat
bucharesttutor 20:30
@Nevagonnabslim if given the authority, why not #ukedchat
@nevagonnabslim @Totallywired77 @Grevster73 don't think many
doc_gnome 20:30 schools will cont. to ignore Eng Bac; league tables matter to parents
#ukedchat
@ianpocock A good starting point but you need communication,
ColinGoffin 20:31 enterprise, resourcefulness etc These are not bound to subject
#ukedchat
RT @tonycassidy: I think it's more important at 14 that students
Totallywired77 20:31 have a passion for learning in subjects they have interest in
#ukedchat
GillDeCosemo 20:31 @familysimpson I suspect these will come, langs dept been on
decline due poor uptake, this might kick start it! #ukedchat
RT @mosquitomax: All subjects are important. Blooms Tax shows

the order of thinking, which can be applied to all subjects #ukedchat
do what u love
bucharesttutor 20:31 @Nevagonnabslim would ideally like a student to choose his

mother tongue n another foreign language #ukedchat
colport 20:31 Half way through #ukedchat this week. What do teachers do with
proposed plans? Just lie back and accept?
familysimpson 20:31 @tonycassidy #ukedchat don't see why not but the globe is blank as
no-one knows where the countries are anymore (or the paint for it)
Nevagonnabslim 20:31 will the EBacc mean more problems for teachers that have to teach
students subjects that they dont want to learn? #ukedchat
ColinGoffin 20:32 @Nevagonnabslim Yes. And students will end up failing in these
instead of succeeding elsewhere. Everyone loses #ukedchat
familysimpson 20:32 have a passion for learning in subjects they have interest in
#ukedchat <A*
tonycassidy 20:32 The EBacc may also have a huge impact on KS3 teaching, as
specialists are required at KS4... #ukedchat
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GillDeCosemo 20:32 @familysimpson rumour has it DT dept panicking. School a tech
college so DT was compulsory. Not now though! #ukedchat
theokk 20:32 RT @colport: Half way through #ukedchat this week. What do
teachers do with proposed plans? Just lie back and accept?
Grevster73 20:32 they have back tracked on the Forest sell-off, they might listen -
teachers do hold a lot of power #Ukedchat
@bucharesttutor Choose being the word there though #ukedchat
colport 20:32
RT @ethinking: @colport start a freeschool? #ukedchat
familysimpson 20:32 #ukedchat twitterfall losing grip, but can anyone tell me if EBacc
worth more to university than current A levels etc?
doc_gnome 20:32 Exactly. RT @Reteach10: @doc_gnome imagine what education

would be like if pedagogical rather than ideological #ukedchat
RT @Nevagonnabslim: will the EBacc mean more problems 4
tj007 20:32 teachers that have 2 teach students subjects that they dont want 2
learn? #ukedchat
#ukedchat "The developments of the detailed programmes for

colport 20:32
learning that followed the Tomlinson and Rose revieâ€¦ (cont)
http://deck.ly/~gEj7b
Why is there so little press on the EBacc? Why are schools being so
compliant? #ukedchat
@Totallywired77 HT, governors, parents... we're in an area with
dailydenouement 20:32 falling numbers.Every league table becomes positive or negative PR
#ukedchat
MattSL 20:32 #ukedchat as it currently stands only 1 in 6 students would pas

EBacc, so schools will have to make substantial curriculum changes
RT @BAFDiploma: @Grevster73 @Totallywired77 #ukedchat

Relieved that my school is. They recognise that breadth and choices
is very important.
RT @CreativeSTAR: I'm a parent, let my child OUTSIDE at school.

vjlbell 20:32
Supporting schools to get children outdoors http://twurl.nl/g2vaoh
#playoutdoors #ukedchat
will EBacc result in lots of non-specialists having to teach history or
Creativeedu 20:33
geography? #UKEdChat
bucharesttutor 20:33 @colport they cannot just lie back n accept, they must present their
ideas n get it heard if it means betterment of the future #ukedchat
dailydenouement 20:33 Amen! RT @grahamwarren: A set of meaningless arbitrary

goalposts replacing the previous ones #ukedchat
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familysimpson 20:33 RT @MattSL: #ukedchat it seems differentiation, personalisation &
student centred learning means nothing to this DfE < well said!
#UKEdChat Did training on OFSTED criteria @ lunch. Can't have
ollyo2 20:33 outstanding without engaged pupils. Would conflict with Ebacc for
some.
Will academies / free schools need to report on the eBacc
mosquitomax 20:33
#ukedchat ?
Nevagonnabslim 20:33 @familysimpson noone knows yet but if you fail one of the subjects
in EBacc you fail the Ebacc! #ukedchat
@familysimpson It isn't A level based. Only GCSE level. So no it
BAFDiploma 20:33
won't be worth more. #ukedchat
A set of meaningless arbitrary goalposts replacing the previous ones
grahamwarren 20:33
#ukedchat
RT @briankotts How World of Warcraft helped a student kick his
engelskan 20:33 gaming addiction & pass school http://bit.ly/dJXiO0 #edtech
#ukedchat #edchat
@ClaireJoanne35 #ukedchat in england? sounds like rough times
familysimpson 20:34
ahead. what's your take on this?
ronggordon 20:34 http://gu.com/p/2n7kb/tf via @GuardianEdu No end in sight to

Gove's lunatic proposals #ukedchat
colport 20:34 @tonycassidy Yes please #ukedchat ;-)
Nevagonnabslim 20:34 @Grevster73 Yes #ukedchat
Grevster73 20:34 RT @tonycassidy: Is the problem the exam system? Is it time to

scrap it and start again? #ukedchat < I'd love to have a stab at that
@Nevagonnabslim Because we are hoping it will go away in a few
BAFDiploma 20:34
years? #ukedchat
RT @grahamwarren: A set of meaningless arbitrary goalposts

tj007 20:34
replacing the previous ones #ukedchat <- setting the next govt up 4
their own ver
RT @Reteach10: @colport best solution is rpm provide researched

colport 20:34
evidence of student experience. The gov don't have that - we do!!
#ukedchat
RT @b_sills: Using heathfield cps as inspiration for personal

kerryuniservity 20:34
blogging session in Ipswich. Want to know how? Let me know. #cLc
#UniServity #ukedchat
Is the problem the exam system? Is it time to scrap it and start
tonycassidy 20:34
again? #ukedchat
@Grevster73 they have back tracked on the Forest... #Ukedchat
TeacherTalks 20:34
>>for now!
Grevster73 20:34 RT @mosquitomax: Will academies / free schools need to report on

the eBacc #ukedchat ? < I thought not
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lets remember if you fail one of the subjects in the EBacc you fail all
of the EBacc #ukedchat
andyfield 20:35 RT @tonycassidy I'd welcome equivalent qualifications, each having

equal worth, with a free students choice #ukedchat
RT @MattSL: #ukedchat I think may differentiate schs by those

Janshs 20:35
concerned with leagues & those with students. But may look like
academic vs non-academic
RT @Reteach10: @colport best solution is rpm provide researched

Grevster73 20:35
evidence of student experience. The gov don't have that - we do!!
#UKEdChat
Creativeedu 20:35 what would you propose instead of the EBacc - things to carry on as
they were or do you have a better idea? #UKEdChat
the answer is to convert to academy / start a free school, then
mosquitomax 20:35
ignore the eBacc imho #ukedchat
#ukedchat As a Narional Challenge school, if we could ever be
Arakwai 20:35 measured on our #EBacc results, we have to play the game or go
under :-(
RT @doc_gnome: @colport is there a difference in opinion of

classroom teacher and senior management. Get the feeling there is;
makes it hard. #ukedchat
@Nevagonnabslim #ukedchat can tell you that is definitely NOT the
familysimpson 20:35 case from scottish curriculum but there is a wider variety of
languages
'Learners will inherit the earth ...' Attributes and skills are the key.
ColinGoffin 20:35 These are everywhere or nowhere depending on teaching
#ukedchat
RT @ronggordon: http://bit.ly/hU8EjU via @GuardianEdu No end in
colport 20:35 sight to Gove's lunatic proposals #ukedchat <The LibDems just
accept :-s
bucharesttutor 20:35 @Nevagonnabslim I studied n India where i had a mixed bag of art,
music and sciences besides the usual PE n social sciences #ukedchat
#ukedchat I think may differentiate schs by those concerned with
MattSL 20:35 leagues & those with students. But may look like academic vs non-
academic
@CreativeEdu from those I've spoken to I think it's going to happen
Smichael920 20:35
#ukedchat
@colport is there a difference in opinion of classroom teacher and
doc_gnome 20:35 senior management. Get the feeling there is; makes it hard.
#ukedchat
Reteach10 20:35 @colport best solution is rpm provide researched evidence of

student experience. The gov don't have that - we do!! #UKEdChat
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league tables have corrupted education, exams are no longer seen
tonycassidy 20:36 as a snapshot of progress at a specific point, but the end point
#ukedchat
Nevagonnabslim 20:36 @familysimpson good! #ukedchat
RT @ColinGoffin: 'Learners will inherit the earth ...' Attributes and

ollyo2 20:36
skills are the key. These are everywhere or nowhere depending on
teaching #ukedchat
theokk 20:36 @colport agree, teachers should have professional body that is in
touch and has clout, and I don't mean unions #ukedchat
@colport agree again, research based evidence, international Inc,
theokk 20:37
not cherry picked #ukedchat
familysimpson 20:37 RT @colport: RT @ethinking: @colport start a freeschool?

#ukedchat < you can't you're too qualified...
DWYT: Scan a books barcode and get a fully formatted reference?
r20_blogroll 20:37 #UKedchat: You probably know how keen I am on QR...
http://bit.ly/i8wg9S
RT @ColinGoffin: @doc_gnome I'm senior manager but also a

teacher! I want quality learning experiences regardless of subject.
#ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:37
Who is EBacc designed for? Do PARENTS like it? #UKEdChat
pwardle0910 20:37
purpose of the EBacc? #ukedchat
RT @tonycassidy: league tables have corrupted education, exams

are no longer seen as a snapshot of progress at a specific point, but
the end point #ukedchat
Nevagonnabslim 20:37 Headteachers have put forward an alternative. what would be your
five subjects for a EBACC? #ukedchat
colport 20:37 #ukedchat "Two other words that are notably absent are "future"
and "childhood"" http://bit.ly/fUPcA4
ColinGoffin 20:37 @doc_gnome I'm senior manager but also a teacher! I want quality
learning experiences regardless of subject. #ukedchat
familysimpson 20:37
@GillDeCosemo #ukedchat true - HAS to if it's compulsory!
ronggordon 20:38 @colport Ironic as on paper Lib Dems had best education policies.
Shame they weren't worth paper written on #ukedchat
#Ukedchat Is the EBac an attempt by Gove to increase UK standings
in the PISA table?
Grevster73 20:38 RT @familysimpson: RT @colport: RT @ethinking: @colport start a

freeschool? #ukedchat < you can't you're too qualified... hehe
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philallman1 20:38 @colport that's because in gove's head future is past and childhood
is what happened to someone else. #ukedchat
Nevagonnabslim 20:38 @Creativeedu they are still exploring #ukedchat
familysimpson 20:38 @GillDeCosemo #ukedchat so can't be a tech college now if current

push is towards qualification that ignores technology! madness!
RT @Arakwai: #ukedchat As a Narional Challenge school, if we

MattSL 20:38
could ever be measured on our #EBacc results, we have to play the
game or go under :-(
bucharesttutor 20:38 @Creativeedu Definitely ask for more flexibility in the EBacc system
so that our S's really enter the future better equipped #ukedchat
#ukedchat I have EBacc subjects, my success however is down to
Hero_project 20:38 tenacity, transferable skills and good work ethic could have any 9
o'levels
There has been little chance to consult when already measured

against RT @CreativeEdu: Who is EBacc designed for? Do PARENTS
like? #UKEdChat
RT @Smichael920 @CreativeEdu from those I've spoken to I think
Reteach10 20:38 it's going to happen #ukedchat encourage techrs to make education
their own?
@Nevagonnabslim what was the headteachers' alternative?
Creativeedu 20:38
#UKEdChat
colport 20:38 @Reteach10 Absolutely. Are we too compliant as a *profession*?

#ukedchat Would doctors accept such a change?
Nevagonnabslim 20:38 @ColinGoffin but some heads have already changed option
pathways for the EBacc #ukedchat
@Reteach10 we dont know there has been no consultation and
press are very quiet #ukedchat
Reteach10 20:39 RT @colport @Reteach10 Absolutely. Are we too compliant as a

*profession*? #ukedchat YES - we are at the whim of politicians

TeacherToolkit 20:39
familysimpson 20:39
@Nevagonnabslim #ukedchat GOOD GOD! They get NOTHING?!
@CreativeEdu #ukedchat I am not even sure parents have heard of
hrogerson 20:39
it.
@ColinGoffin are you unusual in that? My experience is that many

doc_gnome 20:39
SM stop being teachers (sadly) and lose touch with the classroom.
#ukedchat
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@Nevagonnabslim They have and it's hard not to unless you are
ColinGoffin 20:39 successful or courageous but I say do what's right by the students
#ukedchat
BAFDiploma 20:39 @GillDeCosemo Thanks, I guess I am lucky working in a school were

student choices is valued by a talented timetabler #ukedchat
theokk 20:39 @Nevagonnabslim pointless exercise (5 subjects) we are living in an

age of connected knowledge #ukedchat
RT @Totallywired77: #Ukedchat Is the EBac an attempt by Gove to
Grevster73 20:39 increase UK standings in the PISA table? < noâ€¦ (cont)
http://deck.ly/~Yp2tX
colport 20:39 @theokk You're very agreeable this evening ;-) Gvt cherry picks
what policies they want to put into practice! #ukedchat
mosquitomax 20:39 RT @Totallywired77: #Ukedchat Is the EBac an attempt by Gove to

increase UK standings in the PISA table? >> yes, only explanation
Reteach10 20:39 RT @Creativeedu Who is EBacc designed for? Do PARENTS like it?
#UKEdChat does gove even care?
familysimpson 20:39 @BAFDiploma #ukedchat thanks, so after EBacc they go on to A

levels? That can't compare to IB then!
@Arakwai: As Narional Challenge school, if we could ever be
Nevagonnabslim 20:39 measured on our EBacc results,we have to play the game or go
under :-( #ukedchat
RT @Creativeedu: The retrospective league tables of EBacc strike

tafkam1979 20:39
me as unfair - schools being judged on something they couldn't
prepare for? #UKEdChat
ClaireJoanne35 20:39 @familysimpson yes. Local 2ndary school still has students study
ICT alongside EBacc - maybe needs amalgamating #ukedchat

MattSL 20:39

thedippyhippy 20:39
to stop being results whores" not about leaguâ€¦ (cont)
http://deck.ly/~iarZo
RT @doc_gnome: @ColinGoffin are you unusual in that? My

Reteach10 20:40
experience is that many SM stop being teachers (sadly) and lose
touch with the classroom. #ukedchat
@MattSL Yes they are. But they are being given more control over
colport 20:40
their systems #ukedchat
ClaireJoanne35 20:40 what's included in IB? #ukedchat
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Reteach10 20:40 RT @theokk: @Nevagonnabslim pointless exercise (5 subjects) we
are living in an age of connected knowledge #ukedchat
BAFDiploma 20:40 @familysimpson Excatly.....the terminology is confusing. Same

name different levels. #woollythinking #ukedchat
if they fail at one subject in the EBacc they fail the Ebacc #ukedchat
colport 20:40 @ronggordon I am very disappointed in them. Esp as local LibDem

MP was a (private) school teacher! #ukedchat
rantingteacher 20:40 @Nevagonnabslim there are already core subjects and pupils don't
necessarily want to take them! #ukedchat
@colport Doctors are also being subject to massive changes
MattSL 20:40
#ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:40 Maybe Gove thinks forcing IN EBacc will cause less controversy than
specifically forcing OUT VocEd? but same result #UKEdChat
TeacherTalks 20:40 NICE provides guidance on health and clinical excellence - we need
a NIPE...National Institute for Pedagogical Excellence! #ukedchat
bucharesttutor 20:40 @CreativeEdu Had never heard if this kind of education ever existed
so I don't ever think if parents will ever approve of it #ukedchat
#ukedchat Let's take it back to the start for a mo; what skills &
mattbuxton10 20:40 knowledge do these kids need for their future? Start there, then
build up?
doc_gnome 20:41 @CreativeEdu agreed but it makes it much easier to show

improvement the following year! #ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:41 @carterheadteach what are the ramifications of the EBacc for a
small school like yours? #UKEdChat
Voc Ed teachers are scared of losing their job. Are they right to be
scared? #ukedchat
ClaireJoanne35 20:41 @tj007 sounds like a good idea #ukedchat
MattSL 20:41 #ukedchat does anyone on here support the EBacc or know of any
education professional that does?
I'm a bit suspicious of trying to predict the future in terms of
tonycassidy 20:41
subjects and skills... #ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:41 @Reteach10 No I think it's yet another striking e.g. of trying to
make all schools look like a grammar school... #UKEdChat
ColinGoffin 20:41 @doc_gnome I know many SM who are still absolutely governed by
a commitment to their students and quality learning. #ukedchat
philallman1 20:41
@CreativeEdu makes daily mail readers happy #ukedchat
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RT @Reteach10: RT @theokk: @Nevagonnabslim pointless exercise
Nevagonnabslim 20:41 (5 subjects) we are living in an age of connected knowledge
#ukedchat
tj007 20:41 At degree level there is a BA, BSc, BEng etc. - similar could be
applied (instead of EBacc), but not necessary this early... #ukedchat
TeacherToolkit 20:42 My school is facing up to 21 redundancies!!
ronggordon 20:42 @colport Fortunately for me my tribal Labour instincts made me

not trust Lib Dems in 1st place #ukedchat
@theokk @Nevagonnabslim #ukedchat thinks that facts trump
hrogerson 20:42 skills & not that schools should prepare kids 4 jobs that don't exist
yet
@mosquitomax #Ukedchat Write down 100 times - "we must do
better than Alberta"
@familysimpson Son1 HATED he had to do DT subject, failed it,
GillDeCosemo 20:42 would preferred to do any other subject, jealous of Son3's choice
#ukedchat
RT @mattbuxton10: #ukedchat Let's take it back to the start for a

MattSL 20:42
mo; what skills & knowledge do these kids need for their future?
Start there, then build up?
Nevagonnabslim 20:42 @MattSL NO i dont #ukedchat
bucharesttutor 20:42 @mattbuxton10 surely English, a foreign language, Math, one

science subject, PE, art, music, drama, Economics #ukedchat
TeacherTalks 20:42 Reteach10
JOHNSAYERS 20:42
@tonycassidy as another geographer here here! #ukedchat
ianpocock 20:42 I think we increasingly undervalue intelligence in favour of

intellectualism, which can't be a good thing #ukedchat
Grevster73 20:42 RT @MattSL: #ukedchat does anyone on here support the EBacc or
know of any education professional that does? nope
colport 20:42 #ukedchat "As we scour the planet for examples of good curriculum
practice, let's also remember that there is a lot of it about in UK"
Nevagonnabslim 20:42 @MattSL NO #ukedchat
familysimpson 20:43 @ClaireJoanne35 #ukedchat definitely - should be integral to EBacc.

Relevant in academic and vocational higher / further ed and work!
@colport yes, but they don't really want it (anyway, bit of a
MattSL 20:43
digression) #ukedchat
ColinGoffin 20:43 @MattSL Taught well and with the right students the combination is
fine. It's applying it to all where it falls down #ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:43 @philallman1 *shudders* #UKEdChat
@colport except we're all teaching in a war zone apparently! #edbill
philallman1 20:43
debate #ukedchat
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not support of the EBacc, but in some schools Humanities and
tonycassidy 20:43 Languages have ceased to exist , students don't have these choices
#ukedchat
Nevagonnabslim 20:43 RT @TeacherToolkit: My school is facing up to 21 redundancies!!

#Academies #ukedchat #TTkit Pls RT
I wouldn't choose 5 subjects to be in an #Ebacc. It is just a
BAFDiploma 20:43 nonsense. A wrapper for qualifications, not a qual in itself.
#ukedchat
doc_gnome 20:43 Not that I know of! RT @MattSL: #ukedchat does anyone on here
support the EBacc or know of any education professional that does?
RT @Reteach10: its the lack of consultation that is so worrying. If
Nevagonnabslim 20:43 any lose touch with the c/rm the gov can't even see the c/rm!!
#ukedchat
By definition #ebacc devalues some subjects and distorts the ed
BAFDiploma 20:44 market place. It will aid the few to the detriment of the many.
#ukedchat
hrogerson 20:44 @Nevagonnabslim #ukedchat probably, and that will mean removal
of the subject from ks3 too if the staff member goes, e.g. Drama
RT @colport: @MattSL Agree. My point goes back to teachers and
Grevster73 20:44 teaching not really seen as a 'profession', especially by politicians
#ukedchat
@CarterHeadteach Have you adopted it yet for option choices?
#ukedchat
RT @theokk: @Nevagonnabslim pointless exercise (5 subjects) we

familysimpson 20:44
are living in an age of connected knowledge #ukedchat < i'd agree
with this!
colport 20:44 @MattSL Agree. My point goes back to teachers and teaching not
really seen as a 'profession', especially by politicians #ukedchat
RT @colport: #ukedchat "As we scour the planet for examples of

good curriculum practice, let's also remember that there is a lot of
it about in UK"
RT@MattSL Taught well and with the right students the
Nevagonnabslim 20:44 combination is fine. It's applying it to all where it falls down
#ukedchat
@ClaireJoanne35 IB divides between Standard, Study and High
bucharesttutor 20:44 Levels. Main subjects being Math, Phy, Chem, Bio, Eco, ITGS, PE etc
#ukedchat
CarterHeadteach 20:44 @CreativeEdu #ukedchat #ebacc is rubbish for us. Options hard
enough and selection further complicates.
#UKEdChat cmparing ourselvs 2 manufacturing&routine-based

ollyo2 20:44
economies isn't relevant to our need for *skills* in information-
based world(PISA)
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so if you dont agree with the EBacc what are you doing? #ukedchat
RT @MattSL: #ukedchat we need to educate students for jobs that

TeacherTalks 20:45
haven't been created yet. Gove is educating students for jobs that
don't exist anymore
familysimpson 20:45 @BAFDiploma #ukedchat so some schools could do EBacc then IB?
This makes no sense to me - extremely restrictive to future options.
@bucharesttutor thanks. Do you think this is a better option over
EBacc? #ukedchat
@Nevagonnabslim What about if you went the whole hog and took
ianpocock 20:45 away all set curriculum. What do you think would happen?
#ukedchat
mattbuxton10 20:45 @bucharesttutor #ukedchat They're subjects though; what do they

actually need to be able to do? or know??
mosquitomax 20:45 RT @Creativeedu: @CarterHeadteach presumably it leaves you with

very little ability to teach alternative subjects? #UKEdChat
colport 20:45 #ukedchat So what should we do now?
Creativeedu 20:45 @CarterHeadteach presumably it leaves you with very little ability
to teach alternative subjects? #UKEdChat
#ukedchat we need to educate students for jobs that haven't been
MattSL 20:45 created yet. Gove is educating students for jobs that don't exist
anymore
Nevagonnabslim 20:45 RT @theokk: pointless exercise (5 subjects) we are living in an age

of connected knowledge #ukedchat < i'd agree with this!
My school has just bought into wider key skills. And I'm sorry but
JOHNSAYERS 20:45 what you can achieve - BB for what you need to do is a joke!
#ukedchat
@philallman1 I'm a daily mail reader, I find it very informative and a
tonycassidy 20:45
agent for good #ukedchat
@ianpocock teachers would do what is best for students #ukedchat
Reteach10 20:46 #ukedchat hang on if we go on skills for the future we'd have to
scrap subjects and just go to teaching office admin. No!

tonycassidy 20:46
don't exist anymore
#ukedchat As a pupil I was forced to take a practical subject for
rantingteacher 20:46 options and I really didn't want to. I can understand pupil
frustrations.
Hang on...(playing devils advocate here)....are teachers just scared
colport 20:46
of change? #ukedchat
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Grevster73 20:46 unis r doing collaborative research b/w disciplines, degrees r more
mixed, so why make schools so restricted for choice? #Ukedchat

Altany 20:46
don't exist anymore
BAFDiploma 20:46 @Nevagonnabslim Engaging in dialogue with SLT. Aime to ensure

the importance of all subjects..even vocational ones ;-)!! #ukedchat
@Nevagonnabslim #ukedchat we have 2 choice in 10 and then 2
CarterHeadteach 20:46 more in 11. French is there in 10, as is Geog. Hist in 11 but max
25% of stds
RT @ColinGoffin @doc_gnome I know many SM who are still

familysimpson 20:46
absolutely governed by a commitment to their students and quality
learning #ukedchat
Primary teachers are not realising the effect the EBacc will have on
them too ! #ukedchat
RT @colport: #ukedchat So what should we do now? <start
Creativeedu 20:46
drinking...
@CarterHeadteach @CreativeEdu #ukedchat it doesn't help when

hrogerson 20:46
they only give you a few weeks to make changes! this type of
change takes time
DWYT: Scan a books barcode and get a fully formatted reference?

elearning_jobs 20:46
#UKedchat: You probably know how keen I am on QRâ€¦
http://goo.gl/fb/kTqVY <

Creativeedu 20:46
don't exist anymore
jennitonic80 20:47
â€œ@TeacherToolkit: My school is facing up to 21 redundancies!!
#ukedchat I have a yr9 tutor group & I hate that at 14 they may
Arakwai 20:47 have to choose between #EBacc and a subject that is important to
them.
@CreativeEdu #ukedchat We are not going to be judged by Ebacc -
CarterHeadteach 20:47 it is just irrelevant. Unless Ebacc becomes floor target in which
case...
TeacherTalks 20:47 Be very wary of international comparisons from Gove - he has got
Alberta all wrong: http://bit.ly/dRXnYI #UKEdChat
Creativeedu 20:47 RT @colport: Hang on...(playing devils advocate here)....are

teachers just scared of change? #ukedchat
tonycassidy 20:47 If you think the EBacc is interesting... just wait for the Core
Knowledge curriculum at Key Stage 3 #ukedchat
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Is anyone doing e.g. Spanish a year early to make room for more
Creativeedu 20:47
subjects in year 11? #UKEdChat
@TeacherTalks people accept the need 4 expert advice on health

MissiF 20:47
but all think they ARE the experts on educ cos they went to school
#ukedchat
Grevster73 20:47 RT @chris_1974: @colport we're not scared of change, excepting

changing back (to 19th century!) #ukedchat
#ukedchat twitterfall tonight looks one sided - can't see many posts
familysimpson 20:47 reflect positively on EBacc. Gove can't have come up with this on
own!?

Reteach10 20:47
don't exist anymore
mosquitomax 20:47 RT @GillDeCosemo: You are right @BAFDiploma the #EBacc is only
a wrapper for qualifications, not a qual in itself. #ukedchat
@colport we're not scared of change, excepting changing back (to
chris_1974 20:47
19th century!) #ukedchat

ollyo2 20:47
don't exist anymore
GillDeCosemo 20:47 You are right @BAFDiploma the #EBacc is only a wrapper for
qualifications, not a qual in itself. #ukedchat
RT @colport: #ukedchat So what should we do now? >> ignore the
mosquitomax 20:47
eBacc imho
Creativeedu 20:48
@familysimpson There must be one.... #UKEdChat
dailydenouement 20:48 @CarterHeadteach We already have been judged, in the publishing

of retrospective EBacc tables for last year's GCSE cohort #ukedchat
@colport #ukedchat - change is good, but only when it is driven by
CarterHeadteach 20:48
data and logic... #Dogma
Creativeedu 20:48 @familysimpson If you find the teacher who voted for the Tories
we'll ask him his opinion!!! #UKEdChat
RT @colport Hang on (playing devils advocate here) are teachers

TeacherTalks 20:48
just scared of change? #ukedchat >imposed change is (nearly)
always resisted
RT @Grevster73: does seem like a backward step #ukedchat
ronggordon 20:48 So if I am unable to get a job who do I blame Uni, Secondary, Junior,
Infant or Play School? #Govefail #ukedchat
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RT @Arakwai: #ukedchat I have a yr9 tutor group & I hate that at
mosquitomax 20:48
14 they may have to choose between #EBacc and a subject that is
important to them.
@Creativeedu scared of losing student choice #ukedchat
familysimpson 20:48 @GillDeCosemo #ukedchat again, naive here with specialist colleges
- are there other options or is that just the local school?
hrogerson 20:48 @colport #ukedchat not scarf of change, just sick of it, let things
evolve with gentle nudges and expert advice.
doc_gnome 20:48 @colport I see little value in change for change's sake. Some would
argue there is too much and too frequent change. #ukedchat
RT @familysimpson: #ukedchat twitterfall tonight looks one sided -

Creativeedu 20:48
can't see many posts reflect positively on EBacc. Gove can't have
come up with this on own!?
colport 20:48 RT @BAFDiploma: @colport Some will be it is a human condition,

but increasingly as a profession we are embracing it. #ukedchat
RT @ollyo2 #UKEdChat cmparing ourselvs 2 manufac&routine-
familysimpson 20:49 based economies isn't relevant to our need for *skills* in info-based
world(PISA)
ollyo2 20:49 @colport resistant if it goes backwards and fails to consider what's
in the front windscreen at all. #ukedchat
BAFDiploma 20:49 @familysimpson No he didn't, he had somebody else dictate how

he should think to him. #ukedchat
RT @TeacherTalks: NICE provides guidance on health and clinical

Shaf_Hansraj 20:49
excellence - we need a NIPE...National Institute for Pedagogical
Excellence! #ukedchat
#ukedchat As a profession we owe it to children to offer them
colport 20:49 learning that will give them the knowledge anâ€¦ (cont)
http://deck.ly/~Kk7jo
theokk 20:49 @dailydenouement I'll say it till I am blue in the face,the argument
about subject value fr learning is a red herring #ukedchat
@doc_gnome I have a great network. It's not a class teacher/SMT
ColinGoffin 20:49 divide. More of an attitudinal issue that can appear anywhere
#ukedchat
Nevagonnabslim 20:49 @CarterHeadteach Oftsed inspector said yesterday it will be one of

three measures #ukedchat
Grevster73 20:49 @colport change is ok if u believe in the change or do change with

people, not *to* them. #Ukedchat
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grahamwarren 20:49
The only constant in education is change #ukedchat
colport 20:49
#ukedchat "Nothing will be changed by statute until 2013"
BAFDiploma 20:50 @colport You do not need laws when you publish the figures
retrospectively? It was underhanded and deceitful. #ukedchat
@TeacherTalks and Finland, and Singapore, and Hong Kong #cherry
theokk 20:50
picking #ukedchat

jennitonic80 20:50
don't exist anymore
RT @colport: #ukedchat As we scour the planet for examples of
familysimpson 20:50 good curriculum practice, let's also remember that (cont)
http://tl.gd/8t7qsg
colport 20:50
My last tweet was a quote from http://bit.ly/fUPcA4 #ukedchat
Totallywired77 20:50 â€œ@colport: #ukedchat "Nothing will be changed by statute until

2013"â€•> Gove won't last 6 months, could be more changes.....
@colport gov intent on blaming us 4 probs caused by successive
Smichael920 20:50 govs thinking they know best rather than celebrating r successes
#ukedchat
Grevster73 20:50
@colport - ooh look at u with ur extra long tweets! #Ukedchat
tonycassidy 20:50 @colport have to say after four National Curriculum changes I'm
not scared any more, I just laugh and carry on as normal #ukedchat
@Creativeedu @colport yes they are scared of mis-managed
Reteach10 20:50 change. But look at the crm today full of technology. teachers lv
chg #ukedchat
RT @ronggordon If I'm unable to get a job do I blame Uni,

TeacherTalks 20:50
Secondary, Junior, Infant or Play School? #Govefail #ukedchat >>Iain
Duncan Smith!
Nevagonnabslim 20:50 @colport No its already part of the league tables. Schools were
judged this year and they didnt even know #ukedchat
RT @colport: #ukedchat "As we scour the planet for examples of

familysimpson 20:50
good curriculum practice, let's also remember that there is a lot of
it about in UK"
colport 20:51 RT @chris_1974: well, #ukedchat has throttled my tweet stream

tonight! Emotive issue then..<~ Mine too. Sounds good!

familysimpson 20:51
don't exist anymore
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well, ukedchat has throttled my tweet stream tonight! Emotive
chris_1974 20:51
issue then..
tonycassidy 20:51 We had a good plan for post 14 education, Tomlinson Report, IB
type qualificaiotn, vocational report- labour fudged it #ukedchat
ollyo2 20:51 #UKEdChat my diploma group, were certainly very vicious about
"this Mr Gove bloke" when their course got scrapped 6months in.
Reteach10 20:51 RT @Shaf_Hansraj RT @TeacherTalks: NIPE...National Institute for

Pedagogical Excellence! #ukedchat YES!!
mattbuxton10 20:51 @MattSL #ukedchat Which will be more important then; to be able
to write an essay or analyse a piece of visual imagery?
@Nevagonnabslim seemed very unfair & a bit pointless really
#ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:51 @Shaf_Hansraj @teachertalks NIPE is a great idea but would have
been disbanded by Gove already if it did exist... #UKEdChat
#ukedchat @colport teachers are right be scared of change. Change
MattSL 20:51 has happened too much & too fast over last 20 years & everyones
sick of it
@ianpocock Gove says there will be no choice. students must go to
local school #ukedchat
RT @colport: @tonycassidy If labour had done their work on time,
Grevster73 20:52 would this gvt be trying to undo it anyway (Tomlinson/Rose etc.)
#ukedchat
Ducking out. Great to hear so much from such passionate people.
ColinGoffin 20:52 Now need to stop neglecting my wife! Work/life balance? Cheers!
#ukedchat
colport 20:52 @tonycassidy If labour had done their work on time, would this gvt
be trying to undo it anyway (Tomlinson/Rose etc.) #ukedchat
Nevagonnabslim 20:52 knowledge and facts more important in the EBacc than applying
even Applied Science wont count #ukedchat
hrogerson 20:53 #ukedchat it is the #EBacc going to divide the haves and have nots?
Or should we just teach kids all the same right to 16 and beyond?
@CarterHeadteach LOL Gies a Job. I will undoom ya #ukedchat
tonycassidy 20:53 @petemona lots of facts #ukedchat
colport 20:53
@Nevagonnabslim Who funded that report? #ukedchat
We'll respond as we always do. Strategic compliance with the

cherylren 20:53
meddling whilst covertly doing what we feel is right for our learners
#ukedchat
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I've heard horror stories, GCSEs starting year 8, year 10 students
tonycassidy 20:53 having to change courses- not in their interest but schools (?)
#ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:53 @Totallywired77 @familysimpson I'm going to defend woman kind

and say no female would be so daft.... ;-) #UKEdChat
Reteach10 20:53 #UKEDCHAT interesting on this just how separate politics and
education are. Thus has to change if we are to move on successfully
Nevagonnabslim 20:53 But why does a recent report say private schools will fall down
league tables with the EBacc? #ukedchat
@Nevagonnabslim #ukedchat Oh dear... Doomed.
@rantingteacher #ukedchat future adults will remember frustration

familysimpson 20:53
at having to take compulsory subjects in EBacc. Is there a perfect
list?
aangeli 20:54 RT @MattSL: @mattbuxton10 flexible, transferable skills & the

ability to learn to learn #ukedchat
RT @Rick_Hall: Children entering school this year will leave in 2024

to a world that hasn't been invented yet. education needs to
recognises that #ukedchat
Reteach10 20:54 #ukedchat need to bring in pedagogical based ed reform NOT

whimsical ideological eye catching reform
@colport Private school consensus group #ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:54
Will EBacc just be a flash in the pan or here to stay? #UKEdChat
Children entering school this year will leave in 2024 to a world that
Rick_Hall 20:54 hasn't been invented yet. education needs to recognises that
#ukedchat
Successes & innovations come from networks, peers & plns etc-big
Smichael920 20:54 expensive failures tend 2 b top down initiatives driven by gov
#ukedchat
Last five minutes of this fascinating #ukedchat hosted by
ukedchat 20:54
@Nevagonnabslim
CarterHeadteach 20:54 @dailydenouement #ukedchat Not worried about leagues tables.

Ebacc has just made these complex beyond comprehension...
#Ukedchat Impossible to explain my thoughts on #Gove #EBacc &

Arakwai 20:54
my Yr9's in 140 characters. Blogged a few weeks ago here
http://j.mp/fkT51Iâ€•
familysimpson 20:54 @Reteach10 #ukedchat ok, relevant for some but the world is not
full of office admins (or children who want to be office admins)
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@mattbuxton10 flexible, transferable skills & the ability to learn to
MattSL 20:54
learn #ukedchat
familysimpson 20:55 RT @colport: #ukedchat "Nothing will be changed by statute until

2013" < and then you're all screwed.
RT @Suze01: I worry that some students will feel *obliged* to
Nevagonnabslim 20:55 follow EBacc route at the expense of what they enjoy or are good
at. #ukedchat
RT @Suze01: I worry that some students will feel *obliged* to
dailydenouement 20:55 follow EBacc route at the expense of what they enjoy or are good
at. #ukedchat
@Creativeedu #ukedchat i suspect a witch hunt...
familysimpson 20:55
#flippantcommentno47
@cherylren #ukedchat one of the most sensible statements that
petemona 20:55
has been said all night
bucharesttutor 20:55 @Nevagonnabslim Guess we need to have subjects for the future
like Math, ICT, Econ etc #ukedchat
BAFDiploma 20:55 @CreativeEdu Flash #ukedchat
Nevagonnabslim 20:55 @CarterHeadteach LOL #ukedchat
Suze01 20:55 I worry that some students will feel *obliged* to follow EBacc route
at the expense of what they enjoy or are good at. #ukedchat
Nevagonnabslim 20:55 #ukedchat
Nevagonnabslim 20:55 @CarterHeadteach LOL #ukedchat
RT @Reteach10: #ukedchat need to bring in pedagogical based ed

Grevster73 20:55
reform NOT whimsical ideological eye catchinâ€¦ (cont)
http://deck.ly/~FjnBS
mosquitomax 20:55 RT @Nevagonnabslim: @colport Private school consensus group

#ukedchat >> gone in a change at the top
BAFDiploma 20:55 RT SirHumphreyApp "Minister, if you must do this damn silly thing,
don't do it in this damn silly way!" > Still pertinent! #ukedchat
@CreativeEdu probably be something else next year!! #ukedchat
Reteach10 20:56 @familysimpson but if education is based on job market it becomes

a worrying curriculum model #ukedchat
petemona 20:56
@tonycassidy no skills then just content? #ukedchat
briankotts 20:56 College Students Multitask During Lectures http://bit.ly/hdo1x2 /via

@thedailystat Shocked! #edchat #ukedchat #edtech #highered
The EBacc is a return to the 1950s and the school certificate. That
worked didnt it lol #ukedchat
@Nevagonnabslim because ind schools won't force pupils to do the
doc_gnome 20:56 EBacc subjects and so they will have 'poor' league table results.
#ukedchat
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RT @tonycassidy: I've heard horror stories, GCSEs starting year 8,
year 10 students having to change courses- not in their interest but
schools (?) #ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:56 @familysimpson LOL #UKEdChat
#UKEdChat in favour of encouraging higher expectations (even for
ollyo2 20:56 challenging pupils) but not forcing unwanted subjects on them.
Ebacc.
@MattSL #ukedchat Agreed esp when changes rushed due to

mattbuxton10 20:56
personal whim of guy who knows they'll be gone (up or out) before
impact truly hits
RT @Reteach10: RT @Shaf_Hansraj RT @TeacherTalks:
TeacherTalks 20:56 NIPE...National Institute for Pedagogical Excellence! #ukedchat
YES!!
RT @cherylren: We'll respond as we always do. Strategic

compliance with the meddling whilst covertly doing what we feel is
right for our learners #ukedchat
students will be forced by some Heads to take EBacc #ukedchat
#ukedchat tweeted some time ago that employers want skills,
CarterHeadteach 20:56 students want skills... All research since before 97 talked about
skills...
Totallywired77 20:57 #Ukedchat Remember Gove might be able to tell us what to teach,
but he will never be able to tell us how to teach
tonycassidy 20:57 @petemona a core of knowledge that has to be delivered by

everyone, abandoning the concept curriculum #ukedchat
RT @cherylren Response: strategic compliance with the meddling
TeacherTalks 20:57 whilst covertly doing what is right for our learners #ukedchat
>perfectly put
The trouble is that there are many leaders that will lack the self-
BAFDiploma 20:57 confidence to resit this window-dressing. Students will suffer.
#ukedchat
CarterHeadteach 20:57 #ukedchat have not heard enough from NAHT/ASCL re: Ebacc.
#disappointed Or have I not looked hard enough?
Creativeedu 20:57 @familysimpson to be fair I voted Lib Dem which as it turns out was
just as bad #LittleDidIKnow #UKEdChat
Nevagonnabslim 20:57 lots of emotions about the EBacc. Lots of talk in the staffrooms.
Why nothing in the press #ukedchat
@BAFDiploma #ukedchat this person could not care deeply about

familysimpson 20:57
the well being and future prospects of the pupils or the country-
deportation?
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@Nevagonnabslim we're not changing our guided choices. MFL
chris_1974 20:57
compuls anyway(Lang coll), but if they don't choose hist / geog,
fine. #ukedchat
made these at #playgroup today: http://bit.ly/fZfTKE worked a

redtedart 20:57
treat, ideal for #childminders #teachpreschool #ukedchat #teachers
#crafts
RT @theokk: #ukedchat a question that seems to be emerging is
Creativeedu 20:58 whose interests are schools serving? who are the stakeholders?
#ukedchat
@Totallywired77 Um he is . No ICT No thinking Skills just knowledge
and memory #ukedchat
@Nevagonnabslim Errr, could bias be a reason for the lack of press
BAFDiploma 20:58 coverage? Also Nothing in Express as Princess Di not involved
#ukedchat
2 English, maths, 3 science, geography, history, RE 9 good academic
Hero_project 20:58 GCSEs but no EBacc = public schs slipping down league tables
#ukedchat
theokk 20:58 #ukedchat a question that seems to be emerging is whose interests

are schools serving? who are the stakeholders? #ukedchat
Nevagonnabslim 20:58 @chris_1974 even if you come bottom of the leagues when 5 a -c
goes and your left with the EBacc? #ukedchat
#ukedchat Guy Caxton says "politicians are between irrelevant and
MattSL 20:58 irritating". Not sure I agree, but suggests he thinks most will ignore
it
mosquitomax 20:59 good point @theokk we teach each and every pupil in front of us,
not politician #Gove #ukedchat
CarterHeadteach 20:59 @MattSL #ukedchat good point.
#ukedchat what i don't understand is: industry employers

familysimpson 20:59
recommend a portfolio of work to show application of knowledge-
how does EB do this
tonycassidy 20:59 If students do follow the Ebacc, then take the traditional A-levels,
they won't be able to afford higher education anyway #ukedchat
@BAFDiploma:Errr, could bias be a reason for the lack of press
Nevagonnabslim 20:59 coverage? Also Nothing in Express as Princess Di not involved
#ukedchat
@Nevagonnabslim well, it's not my decision (fully, anyhow), but so
chris_1974 20:59
far. #ukedchat
@familysimpson getting Tech status benefitted feeder primaries
GillDeCosemo 20:59 with DT & ICT help. New head & curric being revamped &
broadened. #ukedchat
jennitonic80 20:59 #UKEdChat how much of all this change is to push more people into
free schools system?? Wash their hands of us?? Leave us to it??
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GillDeCosemo 21:00 @familysimpson Hopefully #EBacc won't stifle her curric reforms &
schools pledge to vocational subjects!! #ukedchat
bucharesttutor 21:00 RT @Nevagonnabslim: NO #ukedchat
@Reteach10 #ukedchat Absolutely; and a pedagogy constructed by

mattbuxton10 21:00
educators & learners, not govt & industry!! They should be
following us!
dailydenouement 21:00 In present state, no. #ukedchat
CarterHeadteach 21:00 @Nevagonnabslim #ukedchat NO No NO
theokk 21:00 If you get a chance watch "Our live Experiment is worth more than
3,000 Textbooks" http://is.gd/s2d0fk #ukedchat #Iwasthere
Nevagonnabslim 21:00 NO #ukedchat
RT @familysimpson: #ukedchat what i don't understand is: industry

MattSL 21:00
employers recommend a portfolio of work to show application of
knowledge- how does EB do this
It's 9pm. Many thanks to our host moderator @Nevagonnabslim for
ukedchat 21:00 this fascinating #ukedchat this evening. The archive will be collected
in 15
threw a few of my thoughts into the pan for my first #ukedchat but
ollyo2 21:00
still feel like a little baby NQT.
threw a few of my thoughts into the pan for my first #ukedchat but
ollyo2 21:00
still feel like a little baby NQT.
So can we have a final YES or NO. Is the EBacc a good thing ?
#ukedchat
So can we have a final YES or NO. Is the EBacc a good thing ?
#ukedchat
bucharesttutor 21:00 Math, ICT, Economics, PE/Drama, English, Music/Dance are most
relevant subject for S's today #ukedchat
@cherylren It feels like I've been doing that for the last 20 years
ronggordon 21:00
#ukedchat
hrogerson 21:00 #ukedchat trying to be positive: what if he gave out the certificate,
but didn't put it in league tables, making #EBacc a personal choice
jackieschneider 21:01
#UKEdChat - will cooking in sec schools be dropped?
NOOOOO! #ukedchat @nevagonnabeslim thanks for facilitating
Hero_project 21:01
enjoyed it!
@Totallywired77 @Nevagonnabslim I really hope that was sarcasm!
BAFDiploma 21:01
#ukedchat
RT @Nevagonnabslim NO #ukedchat No No No (re teacher... always
Reteach10 21:01
clearly going to be against)
RT @briankotts: College Students Multitask During Lectures

familysimpson 21:01
http://bit.ly/hdo1x2 /via @thedailystat Shocked! #edchat
#ukedchat #edtech #highered
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theokk 21:01 @Totallywired77 yes agree - but we need to map it out - not
everyones interest can equal? #ukedchat
EBacc puts ofsted in an interesting position- curriculum rated
tonycassidy 21:01 outstanding, meeting the needs of their students, now not?
#ukedchat
mushychelle 21:01 @Nevagonnabslim no! #ukedchat
itsmotherswork 21:01 have a passion for learning in subjects they have interest in
#ukedchat
BAFDiploma 21:01 @theokk Who are schools serving? Should be Pupils. Think for some
it's League tables though. #ukedchat
Totallywired77 21:01 @Nevagonnabslim #Ukedchat you don't need an ICT lesson to teach
ICT it can be embedded in EVERY subject
@Nevagonnabslim NO NO NO NO NO #ukedchat Can I vote 5
hrogerson 21:01
times!
TeacherTalks 21:01 RT MattSL #ukedchat Caxton says "politicians are between

irrelevant and irritating" >>completely wrong to say 'irrelevant'

Smichael920 21:01
don't exist anymore
chris_1974 21:01
@Nevagonnabslim *No*. Too one size fits all. #ukedchat
petemona 21:01 @theokk to me that's an easy one the interest we should have are
the kids - prob is the govt dont see that #ukedchat
jackieschneider 21:01 @dailydenouement @tonycassidy - me too! Appalled at schools put

their interests above needs of kids. #ukedchat
bucharesttutor 21:01 @Nevagonnabslim NO #ukedchat
RT @bucharesttutor: Math, ICT, Economics, PE/Drama, English,

Grevster73 21:01
Music/Dance are most relevant subject for S's today #ukedchat
Science??
Please join @janwebb21 next week at 8pm for #ukedchat The poll
ukedchat 21:01
will be released shortly.
@Nevagonnabslim :-). Not sure we need a poll on this one
MattSL 21:02
#ukedchat
CarterHeadteach 21:02 RT @CreativeEdu: Thanks @Nevagonnabslim for hosting a really

interesting #UKEdChat shame we can't fix it! #UKEdChat - DITTO!!
chris_1974 21:02 RT @CreativeEdu: Thanks @Nevagonnabslim for hosting a really

interesting #UKEdChat shame we can't fix it! #UKEdChat
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Creativeedu 21:02 Thanks @Nevagonnabslim for hosting a really interesting
#UKEdChat shame we can't fix it! #UKEdChat
RT @Nevagonnabslim: Thank you to all who contributed, I have
CarterHeadteach 21:02 really enjoyed this discussion. Now off to start a revolution!
#ukedchat
RT @BAFDiploma: The trouble is that there are many leaders that

will lack the self-confidence to resit this window-dressing. Students
will suffer. #ukedchat
jennitonic80 21:02 #UKEdChat no!
To what extent is education being driven entirely by the demands of
EnterpriseIain 21:02 Universities? #ukedchat Have entry requirements become the new
gods?
@KristianStill #ukedchat Hi Kristian do you have a link...?
Grevster73 21:02 RT @theokk: @Totallywired77 yes agree - but we need to map it

out - not everyones interest can equal? #ukedchat
Nevagonnabslim 21:02 Thank you to all who contributed, I have really enjoyed this
discussion. Now off to start a revolution! #ukedchat
Having been *encouraged* to be Academy (backed into corner)

Suze01 21:02
schools may feel need to encourage EBacc combo to keep league
ratings #ukedchat
RT @mattbuxton10: @Reteach10 #ukedchat Absolutely; and a

Reteach10 21:02
pedagogy constructed by educators & learners, not govt &
industry!! They should be following us!
@hrogerson well it should be personal choice, but as it WILL be in
MattSL 21:02 league tables many schs will take choice away from the students
#ukedchat
familysimpson 21:03 @Creativeedu #ukedchat snap #bravenewworld
RT @theokk: @BAFDiploma if you don't agree you need to do
something about it #ukedchat
@Nevagonnabslim You don't have to, just reinvent the wheel
BAFDiploma 21:03
#ukedchat
@Nevagonnabslim @Totallywired77 #ukedchat I teach history using
mattbuxton10 21:03 ICT and thinking skills!! Kids remember as formed own opinions,
analysed etc
Nevagonnabslim 21:03 @MattSL LOL #ukedchat
Arakwai 21:03
@Nevagonnabslim NO!! 'Dear Mr Gove...' http://j.mp/fkT51I
@BAFDiploma if you don't agree you need to do something about
theokk 21:03
it #ukedchat
@Reteach10 #ukedchat a quick glance at the jobs list up here
familysimpson 21:03 suggest domestic studies top office ones, but would be a definite
dumbing down
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I've contacted Tesco about sponsoring a free 'value range 'school,
tonycassidy 21:03 you're all welcome to come and work for me- we'll do the TESbac
#ukedchat
Nevagonnabslim 21:03 @jackieschneider not part of the EBacc but not dropped. But less
importance if EBacc stays #ukedchat
@MattSL: @hrogerson well it should be personal choice, but as it
doc_gnome 21:04 WILL be in league tables many schs will take choice away #ukedchat
> agreed
RT @squiggle7: one last push for Teachmeet Midlands this

mosquitomax 21:04
Saturday, lots of great presentations planned & fab prizes
http://bit.ly/tmm11 #tmm11 #ukedchat
ianaddison 21:04 RT @chris_1974: Am wondering if any MP's (@edvaizey,

@duncanhames?) ever lurk on #ukedchat. They should> Or Gove??
Nevagonnabslim 21:04 RT @chris_1974: Am wondering if any MP's (@edvaizey,

@duncanhames?) ever lurk on #ukedchat. They should
one last push for Teachmeet Midlands this Saturday, lots of great
squiggle7 21:04 presentations planned & fab prizes http://bit.ly/tmm11 #tmm11
#ukedchat
Reteach10 21:04 really enjoyed this discussion. Now off to start a revolution!
#ukedchat
chris_1974 21:04 Am wondering if any MP's (@edvaizey, @duncanhames?) ever lurk

on #ukedchat. They should
theokk 21:05
@Nevagonnabslim thanks for hosting! #ukedchat

Baggiepr 21:05
RT @tonycassidy: I've contacted Tesco about sponsoring a free

'value range 'school, you're all welcome to come and work for me-
we'll do the TESbac #ukedchat
GillDeCosemo 21:05
@Nevagonnabslim Great #ukedchat host, well done!
RT @MattSL: @Nevagonnabslim :-). Not sure we need a poll on this
one #ukedchat
RT @Nevagonnabslim: @BAFDiploma:Errr, could bias be a reason

familysimpson 21:05
for the lack of press coverage? Also Nothing in Express as Princess
Di not involved #ukedchat
Nevagonnabslim 21:05 @ianaddison Gove would be terrified to meet a teacher he wasnt

paying to speak for him even in the virtual world #ukedchat
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cherylren 21:05 @ronggordon Yes. Perhaps one day we'll all just refuse to jump
through any more hoops #ukedchat - Really, really free schools : )
RT @Nevagonnabslim: RT @chris_1974: Am wondering if any MP's

(@edvaizey, @duncanhames?) ever lurk on #ukedchat. They should
@andyburnhammp
@GillDeCosemo #ukedchat aha. gotcha. but son3 happy with other
familysimpson 21:05
subjects being restricted?
Creativeedu 21:05 On a different note... anyone done something inspiring at school -

I'd love to feature it on my blog... #UKEdChat
@Nevagonnabslim - but if DT is dropped from NC will that stop
schools doing it? #ukedchat
MattSL 21:06
@Nevagonnabslim thank you for hosting #ukedchat. Nice job
RT @Arakwai: #Ukedchat Impossible to explain my thoughts on

Suze01 21:06
#Gove #EBacc & my Yr9's in 140 characters. Blogged a few weeks
ago here http://j.mp/fkT51Iâ€•
Nevagonnabslim 21:06 Try again. Gove would be terrified to meet a teacher he wasnt
paying to speak for him. Even in the virtual world. #ukedchat
#ukedchat wow what a fascinating discussion! thanks
familysimpson 21:06
@Nevagonnabslim for hosting!
Creativeedu 21:06
@Shaf_Hansraj @teachertalks I'm in! Let's start NIPE! #UKEdChat
Totallywired77 21:06 @tonycassidy every little helps #ukedchat
jackieschneider 21:06 @jennitonic80 - I am worried DT is coming out of national

curriculum so will no longer be compulsory #ukedchat
RT @MattSL: @Nevagonnabslim thank you for hosting #ukedchat.
Grevster73 21:07
Nice job < agreed! v good
Reteach10 21:07
RT @theokk: @Nevagonnabslim thanks for hosting! #ukedchat
hey i love the idea of a tesco value shop but what about the peoples
supermarket :( #ukedchat

helendaykin 21:07
familysimpson 21:07 really enjoyed this discussion. Now off to start a revolution!
#ukedchat
hrogerson 21:07 @Nevagonnabslim thanks for the #ukedchat
todayilike 21:08 RT @ukedchat: Please join @janwebb21 next week at 8pm for
#ukedchat The poll will be released shortly.
Can I just summarise by saying. NOone likes it ! #ukedchat
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familysimpson 21:08
RT @Creativeedu: @Shaf_Hansraj @teachertalks I'm in! Let's start
Reteach10 21:08
NIPE! #UKEdChat
familysimpson 21:08
@tonycassidy #ukedchat surely the CASbac? #chipandpin
mosquitomax 21:08 @Nevagonnabslim Thanks for a great #ukedchat this eve. Not sure
Gove would know how to get online...
gone2fargirl 21:08 RT @Creativeedu: On a different note... anyone done something

inspiring at school - I'd love to feature it on my blog... #UKEdChat
RT @Nevagonnabslim: Can I just summarise by saying. NOone likes
familysimpson 21:09
it ! #ukedchat < Yes!
@Nevagonnabslim lol! quickest hour of week! #ukedchat
Nevagonnabslim 21:09 @mushychelle LOL ya cant be serious #ukedchat
Glad I've been listening to the superb musical performances at the
AntHeald 21:09 #McAuley school concert, rather than getting depressed at
#ukedchat
RT @Nevagonnabslim: Can I just summarise by saying. NOone likes
mosquitomax 21:09
it ! #ukedchat
TeacherTalks 21:09 In case you #ukedchat haven't had the pleasure, here's my poem
for Michael Gove: http://wp.me/pVuKt-4V Please RT
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Creativeedu 19:57 what does glog mean? #ukedchat

Reteach10 19:57 #reteacher #ukedchat #itjustmightwork #edreform what if teachers

RT @colport: It's 8pm. Please join @Nevagonnabslim for #ukedchat

It's 8pm. Please join @Nevagonnabslim for #ukedchat "Will Eng

It's 8pm. Please join @Nevagonnabslim for #ukedchat "Will Eng

jules_u 20:05 RT @alextronic: http://tinyurl.com/68qjd4c Scan a books barcode

colport 20:06 @MattSL @CreativeEdu @Nevagonnabslim What agenda are the

#ukedchat &dailydenouement please don't forget the highly

MattSL 20:06 #ukedchat EBacc creates a random subject hierarchy. No evidence

RT @MattSL: #ukedchat talking 2 worried yr 8 who wants to be

colport 20:08 @Nevagonnabslim I do wonder whether this is the start of a change

colport 20:10 @ianpocock @MattSL We all have specialisms in different areas.

Nevagonnabslim 20:10 RT @Creativeedu: presumably it will mean a rise in language

familysimpson 20:11 #ukedchat so is this >similar< to scottish ed. idea of 5 subjects

dailydenouement 20:12 RT @TeacherTalks: Ironic that a Govt which supposedly believes in

Grevster73 20:12 I think it will have a detrimental effect on science uptake -

TeacherTalks 20:12 Ironic that a Govt which supposedly believes in freedom is so

dailydenouement 20:12 RT @tonycassidy: Speaking as a geographer, I don't want students

philallman1 20:13 RT @TeacherTalks: Ironic that a Govt which supposedly believes in

Creativeedu 20:14 RT @bucharesttutor: I have 16 IB students and 5 GCSE students,

@colport #ukedchat EBacc = end of personalisation (whatever that

@chickensaltash RT Reflections on the SSAT National Conference

colport 20:15 @mattbuxton10 So, is that a positive then? Would history be

MattSL 20:16 @Creativeedu (challenge accepted) It's easier to compare schools if

Iris_Connect 20:16 RT @Creativeedu: CHALLENGE.... think of one positive point about

ClaireJoanne35 20:16 @bucharesttutor English Baccalaureate - Eng, Maths, Science, a

RT @itsmotherswork: RT @tonycassidy: Correct me if I'm wrong,

Totallywired77 20:17 RT @tonycassidy: I'd welcome equivalent qualifications, each

RT @itsmotherswork: RT @tonycassidy: Correct me if I'm wrong,

TeacherTalks 20:18 RT @tonycassidy: I'd welcome equivalent qualifications, each

ianpocock 20:19 RT @tonycassidy: I'd welcome equivalent qualifications, each

@colport different world up here in northern britain. No SATs.

RT @briankotts: RT @timeshighered: What a mess. The catastrophe

@CyberSafeFamily Glogs lend to creatively but fail to show a page

RT @CliveBuckley: The Best Web 2.0 Applications For Education â€”

colport 20:22 GGGGGGGGGGGRRRRRRRRRRRRRR, why can't politicians just leave

RT @familysimpson: #ukedchat Advantage of EBacc not including

Nevagonnabslim 20:22 RT @familysimpson: #ukedchat Advantage of EBacc not including

@Grevster73 true, but I know many schools/academies that are are

RT @schofielde: @colport #ukedchat means targets have now

@miconm I don't believe we do, new qualifications have been

RT @Nevagonnabslim: would you be happy for EBacc schools and

RT @tonycassidy: @miconm I don't believe we do, new

Dead right! RT @colport: GGGGGGGGGGGRRRRRRRRRRRRRR, why

colport 20:26 @BAFDiploma @AdiNotNow Very frustrating. Even though most

RT @Shaf_Hansraj: #ukedchat to quote a colleague "schools need

BAFDiploma 20:27 @Grevster73 @Totallywired77 #ukedchat Relieved that my school

MattSL 20:27 @doc_gnome @nevagonnabslim Ind schs issue is just technical I

So true RT @colport: GGGGGGGGGGGRRRRRRRRRRRRRR, why can't

So true RT @colport: GGGGGGGGGGGRRRRRRRRRRRRRR, why can't

Grevster73 20:28 RT @familysimpson: @Grevster73 #ukedchat we've just solved the

RT @BAFDiploma @Nevagonnabslim @familysimpson Yes but those

Reteach10 20:28 @doc_gnome imagine what education would be like if pedagogical

RT @theokk: Arguing one subject more important than another

RT @Creativeedu: The retrospective league tables of EBacc strike

andyhutt 20:29 RT @Reteach10: @doc_gnome imagine what education would be

MattSL 20:29 #ukedchat it seems differentiation, personalisation & student

Arguing one subject more important than another becomes

RT @Shaf_Hansraj: #ukedchat to quote a colleague "schools need

RT @briankotts What a mess. The catastrophe that is UK higher ed.

TeacherTalks 20:30 RT @dailydenouement: Seeing yourself slide down a retrospectively

@dailydenouement which of the stakeholders see the league tables

Agree! RT: All subjects r important. Blooms Tax shows order of

colport 20:38 @Reteach10 Absolutely. Are we too compliant as a profession?