urlinie321: please don't engage in heteronormative language like that

urlinie321: really though, that's a bit reaching

urlinie321: if you want to get mad at the gov't/MIC for something there are so m
any better choices
AguyNamedDrewD: oh Im already mad at them for so much
AguyNamedDrewD: its just 1 more reason why I hate them
urlinie321: I see
AguyNamedDrewD: know what I would do if I was president
urlinie321: no
AguyNamedDrewD: my first act would be
AguyNamedDrewD: split taxes 50/50
AguyNamedDrewD: 50% will be like they always have been
urlinie321: you do know that presidents don't get to make laws, right?
AguyNamedDrewD: other 50%, you get a list of all the programs
AguyNamedDrewD: and you get to pick what you want your money in
AguyNamedDrewD: roads in your area suck? put money into transit
AguyNamedDrewD: how nice would that be
urlinie321: that sounds like a beuracratic nightmare
urlinie321: not really at all
urlinie321: people are awful and make terrible decisions
AguyNamedDrewD: thats why 50% would be like normal
AguyNamedDrewD: cause honestly more than 50% of this countries money goes to was
te or disappears already
AguyNamedDrewD: so at least this way you feel like you got some say even if it a
ll goes to waste
AguyNamedDrewD: change welfare programs
AguyNamedDrewD: if you are on welfare you must take birth control
urlinie321: wow that's a terrible idea
AguyNamedDrewD: best idea
urlinie321: wrong
AguyNamedDrewD: on welfare, have more babies
AguyNamedDrewD: SMART
urlinie321: you know who else had that idea?
urlinie321: hitler
AguyNamedDrewD: birth control wasnt around then
AguyNamedDrewD: but anyway hitler is a smart guy then
urlinie321: yeah but he was big into eugenics
AguyNamedDrewD: if you cant afford to take care of a child
urlinie321: he just sterilized people if he found them unfit
AguyNamedDrewD: dont have one
urlinie321: or straight up killed one
AguyNamedDrewD: is not that hard to figure out
urlinie321: you're making me legit angry and I'm too tired to actually try and e
ducate you on this so please stop talking about it
urlinie321: or at least get enough perspective that you can stop acting like a r
etarded upper-class whiteboy douchebag about it
AguyNamedDrewD: ooo trolled perhaps?
AguyNamedDrewD: legallize drugs
urlinie321: that'd be a really lame troll if so
urlinie321: I agrea
urlinie321: e
AguyNamedDrewD: let nature sort itself out
AguyNamedDrewD: throw people driving under drugs in prison 10 years
AguyNamedDrewD: 1st time offenders
urlinie321: yes feed the beast
urlinie321: throw all the people into the maw of the prison-industrial system
urlinie321: let's just lock everyone up now and get it over with
urlinie321: ugh
urlinie321: seriously, death to america
AguyNamedDrewD: or send them all to california
AguyNamedDrewD: that will be our prison
AguyNamedDrewD: they can do all drugs they want while driving there
AguyNamedDrewD: make abortion illegal unless health risk/rape/special cases
AguyNamedDrewD: if your stupid and get knocked up, you are forced to pay for chi
ld etc
AguyNamedDrewD: both father and mother, even if it ruins their lives cause all t
hey do is work
urlinie321: see this is why white people should all be killed
urlinie321: right here
AguyNamedDrewD: well usa isnt a country where having huge families benifits your
survival
AguyNamedDrewD: what does this have to do with white people
urlinie321: your'e right, I'm using white as a shorthand for upper middle class
and sheltered
urlinie321: you have no empathy
urlinie321: and it's toxic
AguyNamedDrewD: I only believe people are responsible for their actions
AguyNamedDrewD: so I fail to see problem in expecting them to do that
urlinie321: because sometimes circumstances are outside of your control.
urlinie321: you don't understand that because life's been incredibly good to you
AguyNamedDrewD: health risk/rape/special cases
AguyNamedDrewD: carry on
urlinie321: again
urlinie321: you don't understand shit and I'm too tired to try and educate you n
ow
urlinie321: but maybe do a thought experiment, sometime. Imagine what it's like
to not be as privileged as you.
urlinie321: you may have to do some research to get it right, since obviously in
your worldview there aren't really severe disadvantages the way there are in re
al life
AguyNamedDrewD: who says I am privileged
urlinie321: me, I do
AguyNamedDrewD: you assume that
urlinie321: not really
AguyNamedDrewD: what proof?
urlinie321: I know that you're white and american
AguyNamedDrewD: who says Im white
urlinie321: you did
AguyNamedDrewD: when?
urlinie321: when you told me the story of your birth
AguyNamedDrewD: I quoted what my parents said
urlinie321: 23:23] AguyNamedDrewD: when I was born, my grandma asked which baby
I was
[23:23] AguyNamedDrewD: and my parents go "the white baby"
AguyNamedDrewD: doesnt mean I am white
urlinie321: it means they thought you were
AguyNamedDrewD: I could be asian mexican
urlinie321: which probably means you're white
urlinie321: are you?
AguyNamedDrewD: its a good mystery now isnt it :-P
urlinie321: nah not really you're obviously white
AguyNamedDrewD: spoiled saltine cracker rich brat
urlinie321: idk if you're rich, by american standards, but you're certainly not
poor
AguyNamedDrewD: well since anyone in a developed country is like top 10% of worl
d no matter what they yup
AguyNamedDrewD: none of us are poor
urlinie321: again, by american standards
urlinie321: people here do live in poverty
urlinie321: mtw arguments about LABOR ARISTOCRACY! aside
AguyNamedDrewD: any developed country
AguyNamedDrewD: pretty much entire standard of living is tops
AguyNamedDrewD: even if your poor in that country
urlinie321: I know that, obviously
AguyNamedDrewD: look at small counties like norway finland and sweden
urlinie321: yeah they're very different from the USA in that they have a much mo
re substantial safety net
AguyNamedDrewD: safety net?
urlinie321: welfare
urlinie321: unemployment
urlinie321: health care
AguyNamedDrewD: maybe in 80's
AguyNamedDrewD: not anymore
urlinie321: still compared to us
AguyNamedDrewD: especially with all muslims that are going to all those countrie
s now
urlinie321: haha
AguyNamedDrewD: various parlaments are considering banning them
urlinie321: yeah they are pretty racist about that shit
AguyNamedDrewD: yup
AguyNamedDrewD: thats how alot of their new elections will be decided I bet
urlinie321: yeah
urlinie321: another reason why white people should be killed, imo
AguyNamedDrewD: you dont like white people do you
urlinie321: nah not really
urlinie321: sure, I like some white people
urlinie321: but white people in general have a lot of 'splainin' to do
AguyNamedDrewD: why besides the obvious "narrow view point" whites have
urlinie321: imperialism, slavery, etc.
AguyNamedDrewD: are you implying whites created those, did those more than any o
ther race, or commited worst acts of them?
urlinie321: no, yes, yes
AguyNamedDrewD: hah :-D
AguyNamedDrewD: ya whites control world, feeding on all those dark colored peopl
e
urlinie321: p. much
AguyNamedDrewD: mmm colored people yummy
AguyNamedDrewD: I remember my first encounter with racisum
urlinie321: it's not just about race, race in this case is a convenient shorthan
d for socioeconomic status
AguyNamedDrewD: fun times
AguyNamedDrewD: but you said whites did most and worst slavery acts
AguyNamedDrewD: isnt that race
urlinie321: race as a concept was created partly to justify stuff like slavery
urlinie321: and imperialism
urlinie321: white man's burden and all that shit
AguyNamedDrewD: you are aware that all this happened before even whites existed
right
urlinie321: haha
urlinie321: if you can't see the difference between primitive societal slavery a
nd the shit made possible by globalism, imperialism and capitalism I don't know
what to tell you
AguyNamedDrewD: acient egypt?
AguyNamedDrewD: wouldnt call them primitive
urlinie321: lol
urlinie321: you're literally resorting to bible stories
AguyNamedDrewD: bible?
AguyNamedDrewD: bible didnt exist then
urlinie321: w/e
urlinie321: fine, torah
AguyNamedDrewD: Ive never read bible
urlinie321: unless your'e talking about the structure of their society, which wa
s in fact feudal
AguyNamedDrewD: so I dont know any stories from it
urlinie321: ahahaha
urlinie321: I very much doubt that
AguyNamedDrewD: lol why
urlinie321: you're a literate american, it's almost certain that you know some s
hit from the bible, it's that much ingrained in our culture
AguyNamedDrewD: all I know is that apperntly jesus died and came back
urlinie321: you may not know it very well
AguyNamedDrewD: sounds like bullshit to me
urlinie321: see, there you go
urlinie321: you're right
AguyNamedDrewD: ok I know 1 story
AguyNamedDrewD: but I dont even know details of that
AguyNamedDrewD: and its a nice fairy tale rather than story
urlinie321: Allah is god and Mohammed is his prophet (Jesus was also a prophet,
but he wasn't the last one and is therefore not as important)
AguyNamedDrewD: at least storys could possibly be true
urlinie321: wow an internet atheist too
AguyNamedDrewD: Im not atheist
urlinie321: oh?
urlinie321: what's your faith, then?
AguyNamedDrewD: my own
urlinie321: explain
AguyNamedDrewD: I believe in whatever is true/real
AguyNamedDrewD: if there is no single god, then I just believe in universe you c
ould say
urlinie321: Allah is God and Mohammed is his prophet
urlinie321: that is true and real
AguyNamedDrewD: if god is a cup with marbles in it
AguyNamedDrewD: I believe in that cup
urlinie321: God is omnipresent, so yes there is probably some of Him in your cup
with marbles
AguyNamedDrewD: if mohammed was a child rapist and allah god or w/e then yes I b
elieve in that too
urlinie321: Mohammed was not a child rapist
AguyNamedDrewD: I also believe that if there is a true god
AguyNamedDrewD: he wouldnt care if I have to worship him
AguyNamedDrewD: and if he did, then he isnt a god I consider worshiping
urlinie321: what basis do you have for that belief?
AguyNamedDrewD: and he can damn me when I die
urlinie321: there's no scriptural basis for hell, anyway
urlinie321: that's an extra-scriptural concept dreamed up by the early church bu
t it managed to worm its way into the popular metaphysics
AguyNamedDrewD: I would just like to think if there was a supreme being
AguyNamedDrewD: he wouldnt be so fucking dumb
urlinie321: why do you think the most common description of hell is Dante's rath
er than God's?
AguyNamedDrewD: as to create everything
urlinie321: (because God never mentions it)
AguyNamedDrewD: and then go WORSHIP ME HAHAHAHA
urlinie321: why is that dumb?
urlinie321: and he doesn't go "WORSHIP ME HAHAHAHA"
AguyNamedDrewD: cause thats something a egomanic or 5 year old would want
urlinie321: you may not claim to be internet atheist but you sure buy a lot of t
heir retarded arguments hook line and sinker
AguyNamedDrewD: ok?
AguyNamedDrewD: atheist dont have a religion
AguyNamedDrewD: I do
AguyNamedDrewD: my own
AguyNamedDrewD: and actually my religion is only one that cant be wrong
AguyNamedDrewD: because its open to everything :-D
urlinie321: because your "religion" is meaningless
AguyNamedDrewD: until the truth is known for sure
AguyNamedDrewD: it is partly meaningless
urlinie321: the truth will never be known for sure, that's part of its nature as
Truth
AguyNamedDrewD: and I believe in that truth I will never know
urlinie321: me too
urlinie321: I believe in the revealed truth of God
AguyNamedDrewD: I have the one the religion that cant be wrong
urlinie321: beyond knowing and understanding
AguyNamedDrewD: Im suprised more people dont think like that
urlinie321: because it's absolutely pointless?
urlinie321: and never being wrong isn't a worthy goal?
urlinie321: because if you can never be wrong, you can never be right, either
urlinie321: at least in any meaningful sense of the word
AguyNamedDrewD: but believe in whatever is, is right in itself
AguyNamedDrewD: cause whatever is, is
urlinie321: yes, but that's a tautology and therefore a meaningless statement
urlinie321: I suppose it's useful as an axiom, but axioms are what you use to bu
ild systems of thought, not the end result of a "religion"
AguyNamedDrewD: I think you are jelly of my cant be wrong religion
urlinie321: nah
urlinie321: My religion is correct, and yours is meaningless
urlinie321: what reason do I have to be jealous?
AguyNamedDrewD: whats funny
AguyNamedDrewD: is if your really is correct
urlinie321: jokes
AguyNamedDrewD: then thats the one I believe in
urlinie321: oh that wasn't a question, nevermind
urlinie321: no you don't
urlinie321: it's self-evident that you don't
urlinie321: because if you did, you would be my religion and not yours
urlinie321: that's what believing in it means
AguyNamedDrewD: my religion is yours
AguyNamedDrewD: if it truely is the truth
urlinie321: though to be honest you are the sort of person I'd expect to have an
empty logical construct and think it's incredibly deep and intelligent
AguyNamedDrewD: I never said it was deep or intelligent
AguyNamedDrewD: its simply the most logic
urlinie321: sometimes you can say things without literally saying those words, d
ude
AguyNamedDrewD: if anything it would be simplist and easiest
urlinie321: though I guess it doesn't surprise me that you don't get that either
AguyNamedDrewD: which I think makes it great
urlinie321: what with being an internet atheist and all
AguyNamedDrewD: whats a internet atheist
urlinie321: an atheist on the internet
urlinie321: frequently found in online discussion boards
AguyNamedDrewD: oh cool story br0, too bad Im neither of those
urlinie321: usually young, male, white, and a complete moron who thinks he's rea
lly smart because he's rejected his parents' lip-service religion in favor of ob
noxious blathering about "logic" which doesn't exist
urlinie321: I dunno
urlinie321: you don't believe in any gods (atheist)
urlinie321: and I found you on an online discussion board and I'm talking to you
using the internet
AguyNamedDrewD: but you said your religion is the absolute and right one
AguyNamedDrewD: so I believe in yours
urlinie321: no you don't
AguyNamedDrewD: so you are denouncing your own religion
urlinie321: because there's more to belief than just saying you believe somethin
g
AguyNamedDrewD: as having no god and being a atheist
urlinie321: belief is a thing of action as well as words (since words are empty)
urlinie321: you say you're not atheist, but you act atheist, and as such you are
atheist
urlinie321: because actions, in this case, speak far louder than words
AguyNamedDrewD: so when you believe in something you are always performing acti
on
urlinie321: action is part of belief
AguyNamedDrewD: so you dont believe David Ortiz will hit a 3 run homer when sitt
ing on couch cause you do no action
urlinie321: no
urlinie321: but you don't believe David Ortiz will hit a 3 run homer if you bet
someone that he won't (or turn down a bet that he will)
AguyNamedDrewD: so betting nullifies believing anything
urlinie321: likewise, you don't believe he'll hit a homer if you turn off the ga
me because you believe his team has already lost (because he can't pull through
with the winning run)
urlinie321: no that's just an example
urlinie321: these are actions that speak louder than the words "I believe David
Ortiz will hit a 3 run homer"
urlinie321: you don't really believe, because you do not act according with your
belief
urlinie321: likewise, "lip-service" christians do not really believe in christia
nity, because their actions are inconsistent with the belief that Jesus is the s
on of God and that his teachings (and the word of God) are revealed to us in the
Holy Bible
urlinie321: and the teachings of the Church
AguyNamedDrewD: I want to believe in redskins, maybe I should bet on them
urlinie321: I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that you're incapable of abstract
thinking here
AguyNamedDrewD: what would suprise you
urlinie321: lots of things
urlinie321: almost anything, if we're looking at the set of all things
urlinie321: if we look at the set of all possible things at this moment, or all
probable things, most of those disappear though
urlinie321: in terms of words from you?
urlinie321: I'm not entirely sure
urlinie321: not that it matters
urlinie321: it's past my bedtime
urlinie321: do me a favor and spend some more time metacognating, will you?
urlinie321 signed off at 12:48:47 AM.